And in an interesting twist to the story...

Also of note...

Rep. Kevin Brady (Texas)
Rep. Wayne Gilchrest (Md.)
Rep. Walter B. Jones (N.C.)
Rep. Don Manzullo (Ill.)
Rep. Tim Murphy (Penn.)
Rep. Ron Paul (Texas)
Rep. Dave Reichert (Wash.)
Rep. Christopher Shays (Conn.)
Rep. Mike Turner (Ohio)

Voted in favor of holding hearings. 10 Republicans abstained, the rest voted no.

Poor dems, trying to grasp at any straw... LOL

I don't expect much to come of this but I can still hope. All of America would benefit if Bush/Cheney were ever really brought to justice. The whole world would rejoice.

Today is the 38th anniversary of Mary Jo Kopechne's death. Maybe a hearing on this is in order also. A Senator who commits murder s surely worthy of an investigation. Wait, it is a dem congress, nevermind.

Let's investigate both.
One dem senator responsible for the death of one person and hundreds of republicans responsible for the deaths of millions. But let's not pretend that it's the same thing. Only a hopeless idiot would do that.

it would be interesting if anything came of this, but I doubt it. sounds like a token gesture to voters to get them to believe they're doing something.

Tweet! Inept deflection...15 yards and loss of down.

Yep, just another Stalinist, show trial...

igmoramus you poor little fool. Which republicans are responsible for what murders?

But let's not pretend that it's the same thing. Only a hopeless idiot would do that.

Posted by igmoramus

08r4ever - you found one.

08R4EVER is not a hopeless idiot...there is always hope.

In England we have the "Downing Street Memo".

In Spain we the record of their President confronting Bush in a private meeting, with the knowledge that Saddam Hussien had offered to leave the country. We also know that Bush was offered binLaden on a platter by the Taliban. The meathead rejected both offers, prefering to go to war instead, probably so that he could become a war hero like his Father.

When it didn't work and the economy was collapsing Greenspan gave Shrub an early ticket out of a grave recession with undocumented loans to all comers, job or no job. Today we face a collapsing Real Estate Market with 2.5 million defaults under our belt and only 4.5 million more to go. Pile that on top of the California Energy crisis and massive Wall Street Fraud. Like all deregulatory schemes, utterly outrageous, should be criminal.

The meathead rejected both offers, prefering to go to war instead, probably so that he could become a war hero like his Father.

The military industrial complex does not profit as much in years of peace as in years of war.

Also stability in the ME means that oil is significantly less in price than $130 per bbl.

Long Live King George II

"We also know that Bush was offered binLaden on a platter by the Taliban."

I didn't know that. What are you referring to?

Listening to that weird high-pitched voice of that puusy lib John Conyers should be classified as torture. Why doesn't he worry about his own fucked up state of Meeshigan.

"084EVER is not a hopeless idiot. . there is always hope. DANNI

"igmoramus, you poor little fool. Which republicans are responsible for what murders?"
084EVER

There is no hope.

Ah danni, that was not nice. The taliban offerd to give up biladen, when? If either of these were true i am sure the liberal press would still be all over it.

These people are pathetic. The poor of this nation are suffering under the oppressive costs of energy and food because of their policies and inactivity and they spend their time pursuing this fruitless endevor. Their hatred for anyone differing from them is evident as well as their disdain for the plight of the poor.

"Pile that on top of the California Energy crisis and massive Wall Street Fraud. Like all deregulatory schemes, utterly outrageous, should be criminal."

Yet....Phil Graham was McBush's chief economic advisor.....sort of makes you wonder how anyone could even consider voting for him.

Danni, I feel the same way about obama. Why the fuck would anyone vote for him?

"We also know that Bush was offered binLaden on a platter by the Taliban."
I didn't know that. What are you referring to?

Posted by Sully at 2008-07-18 10:20 AM
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You are certainly correct. I do not remember this either BUT, I DO remember CLINTON was offered his head and he, CLINTON refused.

Nice try whoever made that post.

"BUT, I DO remember CLINTON was offered his head and he, CLINTON refused.

Nice try whoever made that post.

Posted by farmerjohn"

And equally nice, but futile try from Farmer John.

"The 9-11 Commission 'Staff Statement No. 5,' issued in March, rejected the Sudanese claim:

Former Sudanese officials claim that Sudan offered to expel Bin Ladin to the United States. Clinton administration officials deny ever receiving such an offer. We have not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim.

Sudan did offer to expel Bin Ladin to Saudi Arabia and asked the Saudis to pardon him. U.S. officials became aware of these secret discussions, certainly by March 1996. The evidence suggests that the Saudi government wanted Bin Ladin expelled from Sudan, but would not agree to pardon him. The Saudis did not want Bin Ladin back in their country at all."

Danni, I feel the same way about obama. Why the fuck would anyone vote for him?

Posted by 08r4ever

why would anybody associate with you for that matter? You put a capital D in disappointment

084EVER you do realize that basicly Phil Graham was responsible for the change in the law that allowed the Enron scandal to occur and that his wife was employed by Enron at the time and that she made a lot of money from it....and then McBush chooses this crook to be his economic advisor???

Come on, even a loyal Republican would object to that. I'm sorry but it does call into question McCain's character.

A capital "D" WOW..... Now that really hurts my feeling.. WOW a capital D, now that is really something.. geezzzz
Not much I can do with that....

igmoramus you poor little fool. Which republicans are responsible for what murders?

Posted by 08r4ever

Herbie Bush had two Republican Senators who knew of his treason in helping Reagan sell missiles to the mad ayatollahs whacked on the same day-Tower and Heinz.

Then there's the 300 Marines reagan sent to die in Lebanon to prove his sincerity to the Iranians. Then there are those who died protecting saudialquedia from a non-existent Iraq threat and then there's Bush's lies about Iraq.

And those are just the quick ones...

But these hearings will only keep the words "Bush" and "dishonest" in America's face so McSame can be linked to more crimes and failures.

Can you prove any of this or is this just so much bullshit from your lib loving hole?
Nice try though, I am sure some lib lemmings will take this as gospel.

084EVER which things are you referring to....the CRIMES Northguy speaks of are not even disputed by anyone, they are simply facts.

This ought to help McCain..............

Help him retire, that is.

Front and center baby. Keep the Republicans failures and crimes front and center through the election cycle.

See you all in Novemeber!!!!

The thing about Graham isn't disputed either, it also is a simple fact easily checked out.

New Republican strategy for November....completely destroy economy and starve Democrats to death before election. IT's working.

Danni, you funny girl. Not to bright but very funny. Prove to me that these "crimes" are facts.

Danni,

You'll just get dirty and the pig likes it.

Just when I thought Congress could not get any stupider....

Another pussy "investigation" that Chimpy and Darth will laugh off, instead of the one mechanism that has teeth - impeachment in the House and trial in the Senate.

Next midterms are going to look like the Titanic's sinking, with Congresspeople going down in droves and Nancy out on the fantail leading the band in Nearer My God to Thee.

LINKS:

08r4ever care to debate your worth to society? Within a few posts I will deconstruct this facade you put up on these boards. I am of the belief you contribute little to nothing to this country.

Conyers has been getting a growing number of calls lately to look into Cheney/Bush criminal behavior. He's tired of the hot seat, getting blasted by constituents. He'll be carefully watched to make sure he doesn't use this hearing as a whitewash.

This is only one salvo of several that will soon be fired against these traitors.

Let us examine your failures.

HeateR4ever: You get to be Cheney's defense attorney. All you will have to defend him with is the truth. Good luck!

Danni, you funny girl. Not to bright but very funny. Prove to me that these "crimes" are facts.

Posted by 08r4ever

HAHAHA...someone still supporting this inept, corrupt and criminal administration, part of the 19% who are truly retarded in this country, calling someone else "not too bright!

I love hearings. Every time the Dems have a big round of hearings, it keeps them from sitting around and thinking of big ways to raise big taxes and spend big money.

Hopefully the Senate will have their own set of hearings, then they can have a big joint House-Senate hearings on the Imperial Presidency. First, of course, is to have a few weeks of hearings on how the actual hearings would be conducted, then have hearings to discuss the findings of the hearings. If we do this properly, it should consume all of Congress' time until sometime in mid-2012. Wouldn't that be something?

Yes, let's put every president who ever sent us to war, no matter the reason, on trial for murder.

Franklin Roosevelt is surely the biggest "murderer" of all. Tens of thousands, perhaps millions, of civilians were killed during his "illegal war." Millions died.

Hell, Harry Truman committed the biggest act of "murder" ever. He killed more civilians at one fell swoop than anyone in history.

Then we have John F. Kennedy. And, oh yeah, Lyndon Johnson. Can't forget all the dead Americans he was responsible for. Johnson is responsible for 15 times the deaths that President Bush is. 15 times more people!

If it's your argument that Bush's war was "illegal" then you're a moron of epic proportions. The House and Senate Democrats demanded a re-vote so they could go on record in support of the war or have you dolts forgotten that.

It never ceases to amaze me the language you leftists use. "Illegal" war. War crimes. "Bush's endless war." "Imperial presidency." "Criminal behavior."

You people are the craziest of the crazy's.

John Conyers? If he could get Waxman and that troll from Cleveland then it would be

Moe, Larry and Curley v. Darth Vader

I don't expect much to come of this but I can still hope.

Posted by danni at 2008-07-18 09:45 AM | Reply

Spit, stroke, repeat

With Congress' approval ratings in single digits, what else do they have time for.

SEANR just accidentally forgot to include Nixon and Bush 1 from his little rant of stupidity.

Greenspan gave Shrub an early ticket out of a grave recession with undocumented loans to all comers, job or no job.

Posted by nutcase at 2008-07-18 10:16 AM | Reply

You really strain reality trying to blame Bush for everything that goes sour. Those mortgages were written by mortgage companies.

"Pile that on top of the California Energy crisis"

Who gives a fuck about California? If they have an energy problem it is of their own making. When I lived there I knew people who left their a/c on all day while they drove five hours in an SUV to protest a power plant.

Fuck em

HAHAHA...someone still supporting this inept...

Posted by geezer1 at 2008-07-18 12:01 PM | Reply

Seems that 08 didn't support anyone, and only asked for proof.

Seems you also have no proof. You're full of shit and you know it, otherwise you'd post some evidence. Any evidence.

Just "Bush's Fault!"

Get ready for four years of

McCain's Fault!

No Dummi, my point was to highlight Democrats who have murdered civilians for people like you whose memory only goes back as far as the beginning of the Bush presidency. Or should I say, "The Bush regime."

I love how people like you Dummi completely forget what happened just a few years ago. You have this narrow bit of memory that quite can't remember what Democrats have done over the years, but by G*d you will never, ever forget what George W. Bush did.

You're a clown Dummi. You're a far leftwing nutjob who no one should listen to much less respect.

The losers of the right can't defend Bush so they can only try to pretend that other presidents were just as bad. When they begin by trying to make a case that FDR was somehow in the same league as Dumbya you sort of get the idea that they aren't exactly playing with a full deck. Can't really take anything they say seriously after that.

Vernon,

Its all part of Shrub's hairbrained philosophy, but he certainly did not act alone, not is he responsible for Greenspan's favor. Hayek and Friedman originated this "Free Market Horseshit", which opens the floodgates to Fraud, everytime.

Clinton, Phil Graham have done the most damage, in this respect. But Bush (aka Cheney) committed crimes for Ken Lay and Enron, their largest contributotors, while SCOTUS covered their rear ends. SCOTUS has repeatedly betrayed this country, since 2000.

A condition to rising to the Presidency appears to be to sell your soul to Wall Street.

What is the point of all this now? He's on his way out. It is a waste of time and money to go after Bush now.

vermin how are the young kids you watch after in the Philippines doing?

All congress does is invistigate. I guess as long as they are doing that, they won't pass more laws to screw us even deeper.

And they wonder why their approval is in the shitter.

A condition to rising to the Presidency appears to be to sell your soul to Wall Street.

Posted by nutcase at 2008-07-18 12:35 PM | Reply

No arguement there. Are you going to be equally honest with Osama?

Laura Bush murdered her high school boyfriend. That is one Republican.

how are the young kids you watch after in the Philippines doing?

Posted by rastaninja at 2008-07-18 12:37 PM | Reply

My brother-in-law is a 5th grade teacher and I just paid the enrollment fee for 34 children, who otherwise would not go to school this year (school there starts in June). I also paid for notebooks and pencils.

Most of these kids are the children of fishermen who work 14 hours a day (all night in a small boat on the high seas) and support a family on $2 a day.

And I paid the college tuition for two nieces.

Thanks for asking

"All congress does is invistigate."

It may come as a surprise to you to learn that this investigation is just one committee and that the Congress can hold investigations in more than one Committee at a time and still be able to conduct normal business too. It isn't as if Congress just stops when they hold an investigation. I think you probably don't quite realize this because the Republicans forgot how to hold investigations after they impeached Clinton for a BJ.
8 billion missing from Iraq reconstruction fund and the Republicans never even asked where it went.

Vermin,

You wouldn't recognize honesty if it bit you in the ass.

"My brother-in-law is a 5th grade teacher and I just paid the enrollment fee for 34 children, who otherwise would not go to school this year (school there starts in June). I also paid for notebooks and pencils.

Most of these kids are the children of fishermen who work 14 hours a day (all night in a small boat on the high seas) and support a family on $2 a day."

A glimpse of Vernon's dream for America.

8 billion missing from Iraq reconstruction fund and the Republicans never even asked where it went.

That is because the know where it went. Besides it is just "the little pissants" money anyhow. So who cares?

The losers of the right can't defend Bush so they can only try to pretend that other presidents were just as bad.

Posted by danni at 2008-07-18 12:33 PM | Reply

In your fantasy world all Dems are saints from heaven and all Republicans are evil.

Nobody is defending Bush, but they are making the truthful point that all politicians are the same. And that's what you hate because the truth is contrary to your fantasy.

Vermin,

What a sorry vision you have. Not all politicians are the same. There are some that are MORE corrupt than the rest.

Keep electing them though.

A glimpse of Vernon's dream for America.

Posted by danni at 2008-07-18 01:02 PM | Reply

you Danni are a pig. A nasty, rude, lying, fouth-mouthed pig

You're one sick bitch, imho. On the other hand perhaps people should consider joining your bandwagon of wallowing in a lousy, filthy "life" of envy, jealousy and venom and all of us should HOPE for the death of Vernon (and in the most painful way). Would that make you happy for a day?

You're one sick bitch, imho.....(referring to Danni, in case anyone had any doubt).

Danni hates the fact that someone can do personal acts of kindness and charity. It runs counter to her vision of America where the government determines the products we have, the price of those products, etc.

Danni, do yourself and the rest of us a favor and move to North Korea.

"a pig. A nasty, rude, lying, fouth-mouthed pig"

This, from the guy who calls his kids "halfbreeds."
What a tragic misallocation of molecular energy.

Let's begin with an investigation of FDR.

Bombing civilians, killing millions. Attacking contries that had not attacked us.

That investigation should take about 2 years and then we can move on to others. Maybe we can get to Bush in about 2356.

The Democratic Congress have done very little in punishing this Criminal Administration. But for all of its failure I for one am glad that the Democratic Party won the elections of 2006. All of these hearings may not lead to IMPEACHMENT, but at the very least we will have an Historic Record of what it is this Administration did to our Constitution.

If the Republicians had won the elections of 2006, they would have stonewalled this Administrations behavior as they did for the first 6 years Bush was in office. How long after President Obama is in office do you think the Republicians will be asking for the President to give up all of the the power that they allowed Mr. Bush to have without any challenge. See you in January!!!

Not all politicians are the same. There are some that are MORE corrupt than the rest.

Posted by 726 at 2008-07-18 01:06 PM | Reply

Yes, I agree. Some politicians are more foul than others. But the nature of the job attracts people who are generally worthless. The decent people will eventually leave.

I had a conversation one day with Harold Ford Jr., and asked him why he did not run for re-election. He said he spent 70% of his time on the phone, asking for money (campaign finance restritions) and he never had time to read any laws: as Congressmen walk down the hall to vote on bills they have an aide alongside trying to explain to them what's in a 1,000-page bill.

He was disgusted with it.

726, take off your blinders and get a dose of reality. So long as you put your hopein politics you will be disappointed

"FDR . . . Bombing civilians, killing millions. Attacking contries that had not attacked us."

Japan attacked us. Germany and Italy declared war us. WTF are you talking about?

Vern,

A few years ago you sang an entirely differernt tune. Bush was your fucking GOD and you didn't give two shits for anyone but yourself (a Republican Party mantra btw) - so it's entirely reasonable that Danni would have assumed that you wanting everyone else earning $2 (except yourself, of course), WAS your vision for America.

You're a conservative. And convervative ideology states that power should be concentrated with the wealthy.

This, from the guy who calls his kids "halfbreeds."

Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2008-07-18 01:10 PM | Reply

My kids think it's funny. But humor is an aspect of intelligence, so you would not understand

We need more FDR....round up those Japanese Americans and throw them back in the camps. Good ole' FDR the defender of individual rights.

"You're one sick bitch, imho."

The irony of this comment....

"sick bitch...in my humble opinion"

Hilarious.

I think I pushed one of Vernon's buttons.

These righties have some pretty thin skins.

You're a conservative. And convervative ideology states that power should be concentrated with the wealthy.

Posted by PDAGUY9 at 2008-07-18 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

...and that statement means PDAGUY9=ultimate stupidity...

"We need more FDR....round up those Japanese Americans and throw them back in the camps."

And you haven't heard anything similar in regards to Muslims in the US????

...sick pathetic bitch....there is that better...(more accurate most likely)

Dummi

Which president illegally imprisoned tens of thousands of American citizens? Bush or Roosevelt?

Which president executed spies during wartime? Bush or Roosevelt?

Roosevelt read telegrams from overseas without a warrant. Something that you would say only Bush has done.

Roosevelt went to war against a country that did not attack us. Something you would say only Bush has done.

Roosevelt served four terms and became the closest thing we have ever had to a dictator, but somehow Bush is the Nazi-like dictator.

Roosevelt invaded Italy (never attacked us), Africa (never attacked us), and Europe (never attacked us).

Roosevelt imprisoned people for sedition. Bush never did that.

Roosevelt had all Germans, Japanese and Italians fingerprinted and forced them to carry ID cards. Bush never did that to any Arab.

Roosevelt imprisoned 4,132 enemy aliens. Something you say only Bush has done.

nice Rideon, real nice. About what I would expect from someone like you.

Yeah SeanR, Bush's war against Al Quaeda is equivalent to WWII. Uh huh. Laughable.

A few years ago you sang an entirely differernt tune. Bush was your fucking GOD and you didn't give two shits for anyone but yourself (a Republican Party mantra btw) - so it's entirely reasonable that Danni would have assumed that you wanting everyone else earning $2 (except yourself, of course), WAS your vision for America.

Posted by PDAGUY9 at 2008-07-18 01:17 PM | Reply

Whoeverthefuckyou are, you've got the wrong guy.

I have defended some policies of Bush, and criticized others. But it has always been policies and action; as a Conservative I don't care about the individual or the party affiliation. I care about what they do.

In the last election I voted mostly for Democrats because they were the best people for the job.

You are a bigot because you assume that everyone who is not like you is some Bush-loving droid.

As for your defense of Danni, she's an idiotic, rude and bigoted pig. She spouts compassion for others and when I openly describe my charity for others she has nothing but ugly, lying comments.

I didn't post those details because I want praise; it was in response to a question.

Is Danni doing anything for the poor? Is she doing anything that requires her to get off her fat, air conditioned ass to help another person?

"And convervative ideology states that power should be concentrated with the wealthy."

Wrong-O. Conservative philosophy is that people who work hard should keep the fruits of their success, and use it to benefit their families and others.

Is it better that I send a few hundred dollars to the Philippines for the education of 36 children, or should I get a federal grant that takes years, and most of the money pays federal bureaucrats?

"sick bitch...in my humble opinion"

I think I pushed one of Vernon's buttons.

These righties have some pretty thin skins.

Posted by danni at 2008-07-18 01:18 PM | Reply

He should have said "sick retarded bitch" since I did not make that post.

Why do you hate poor people Danni?

Why do you hate those of us who want to help poor people?

"What is the point of all this now? He's on his way out. It is a waste of time and money to go after Bush now."

Sully:

Nosireebobski. It is far from a waste.

Each Administration sets precedents that are then used by subsequent Presidents. Bush has flouted the laws of this nation so many times in so many ways that the gates of Hell have been opened. Unless we call him to account for what he's done, those floutings will stand as precedents justifying similar behavior from future Prezzes. I think it's fair to say that most of us are hoping for better morality and more respect for the law out of future leaders, but if we've learned a goddamn thing from Bush Baby, it's that we cannot expect those virtues as a matter of course.

We made a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE mistake not impeaching and trying Nixon, because the kid-glove treatment he got is part of what makes Chimpy think he can do as he pleases and get away with it. A mug shot of Tricky Dick would have gone a long way towards curbing DubyaCo.

"As for your defense of Danni, she's an idiotic, rude and bigoted pig. She spouts compassion for others and when I openly describe my charity for others she has nothing but ugly, lying comments."

Gee Vern, no sense of humor???

BTW, it's considered a bit tacky to brag about your charitable donations and such.
After all the hate that I have witnessed spewing from your posts I can only LAUGH OUT LOUD at your last post. Hilarious.

And for me to even vaguely compare Bush to Roosevelt is also laughable.

Roosevelt did far far far worse than anything Bush could ever, EVER imagine, but somehow you leftists are only outraged at President Bush.

You do know that Bill Clinton started the Rendition program don't you? Or have you forgotten that?

I have nothing against Roosevelt, Truman or Kennedy or what they were trying to do for this country, but I do find it offensive that you people have such short memories.

The things you accuse Bush of doing have been done many times before by Democrats and Democrats have actually gone far beyond anything Bush has done.

But you are selective in your outrage because Bush has an R by his name.

"Roosevelt did far far far worse than anything Bush could ever, EVER imagine, but somehow you leftists are only outraged at President Bush."

We weren't when he invaded Afghanistan....it was that other invasion, the unnecessary one, that sort of pissed us off. Still does.
I don't think Roosevelt looked for an unnecessary war to fight.

"But you are selective in your outrage because Bush has an R by his name."

Not true, how about Lyndon Johnson, he had a D by his name, but he dragged us into an unnecessary war too....he had the good sense not to run for reelection.

How long after President Obama is in office do you think the Republicians will be asking for the President to give up all of the the power that they allowed Mr. Bush to have without any challenge. See you in January!!!

Posted by celisary at 2008-07-18 01:13 PM | Reply

Damn, Celery, that was almost ..... what ........ intelligent? Thoughtful?

It's hard to say because your name is attached.

Osama is not going to win (McCain is just as awful but in a different way) but let's play your game and see where it goes.

Is Osama going to give up FISA authority?
Is Osama going to forego Executive Orders?
Is Osama going to surrender his authority as commander in chief?
Is Osama going to veto ombudsmen bills loaded with earmarks?
Is Osama a politician?

BTW, it's considered a bit tacky to brag about your charitable donations and such.
After all the hate that I have witnessed spewing from your posts I can only LAUGH OUT LOUD at your last post. Hilarious.

Posted by danni at 2008-07-18 01:37 PM | Reply

I did not brag. Rasta asked and I answered. Otherwise, I would not have said anything. You are a filthy pig for trying to turn it against me. You know it and now you are trying to play defense. You still have not said what you personally do for the poor --- other than sit on your cellulite ass all day and bitch online.

I've never said anything hateful in any post. You know this. I've only stated the truth, but the truth is contrary to your fantasies, so you think it is hateful. Look up 'cognitive disonance.'

In your corrupted, rotted little mind truth is the same as hate.

That explains why you are such a miserable and disgusting person.

Danni hates the fact that someone can do personal acts of kindness and charity. It runs counter to her vision of America where the government determines the products we have, the price of those products, etc.

Vernon what do you expect? She couldn't measure up to you or your work and humnaitarian efforts.You are dealing with someone who has failed in business, marriage and providing a education for her daughter to name a few. Wouldn't you be bitter and spiteful as well? Couple that with a typical skewed, leftleaning pattern of thinking they know a lot about everything. When in reality they know little and prove it here daily for your entertainment.

Vermin you know that isn't what I meant. I can reasonably assume you do these acts of kindness for some return favors down the road.

Posted by 08r4ever couldn't defend his actions so he rand and hid. typical republican.

Not true, how about Lyndon Johnson, he had a D by his name, but he dragged us into an unnecessary war too....he had the good sense not to run for reelection.

Posted by danni at 2008-07-18 01:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's a fairly intelligent post.

This is about Bush's "war crimes." You leftists have become unhinged and I am attempting to put everything in perspective.

The craziness exhibited by the left is out of control. Everything you accuse Bush of doing has precedent with Democratic presidents. But your wild eyed exaggerations, your insane conspiracy theories, your claims of an "Imperial Presidency", your claims of "war crimes", your claims of "Bush Lied, People Died", and your claims of Bush's Nazi like behavior are simply without merit, INSANE, delusional and mind-boggling.

You have been whipped into this hysteria by leftwing politicians so they can win elections. They have used your insanity to drive you to the polls. The only thing that matters to most politicians is being reelected and you have been used masterfully to fulfill Democratic dreams of winning back the majority.

The only thing Democrats cared about was winning the majority and if they had to lie and whip you into a delusional feeding frenzy then they would. And did.

They used you.

SEANR the only problem with your theory is that most of us libs have been saying the same things far longer than any of the Dem leadership has. We have been frustrated by their unwillingness to confront Bush and the Republicans. It is sort of ridiculous to believe that the Democratic leaders have been at the forefront of the opposition to the war, Bush's economic policies, etc. They have, if anything, drug their feet and followed public opinion, not led it. There are a few real leaders, Kucinich, Feingold, Wexler, etc. and Obama can legitimately claim to be one due to his speech about the Iraq invasions. Most of the Dems though, including Reid and Pelosi are more followers than leaders.

Everything you accuse Bush of doing has precedent with Democratic presidents.

Posted by SeanR at 2008-07-18 02:01 PM | Reply

Link? I don't recall any dem Presidents attacking countries that did not attack us first. I don't recall any dem Presidents who sat around for ten minutes while the country was under attack. I don't recall any dem Presidents who were against finding the truth about who attacked us. I don't recall any dem Presidents who say they saw the first plane hit the WTC when there was no video of that attack available to be seen at the time he said he saw it. I don't recall any dem hiding behind Executive Priviledge to hide his treason and lies. Again.

LINK?

Agreed Danni. It was the far leftwing, FAR LEFTWING, that showed the Democrats in congress what a little insanity could do. You did show them. I agree.

It was people like Noam Chomsky who showed them the way. Unintentionally I'm guessing, but he did show them.

Chomsky said we were going to commit genocide in Afghanistan. Other far leftwingers were saying the only reason we were going into Afghanistan was for some pipeline that has never materialized.

Chomsky is the intellectual godfather of the Democratic party and he showed Democrats the way to victory.

So yes, credit where credit is due. You far leftwingers did show the Democrats in congress the way, the potential, and they ran with it.

But my larger point stands. Democrats whipped the majority of leftists into a frenzy based on the example you showed them.

And let me reiterate, Roosevelt did far worse than anything Bush has even imagined.

I get the feeling, watching the slip-sliding of the blinkered, in-the-tank, lockstepping radical rightists on this thread, that the very idea of attempting to establish something even remotely approaching an accurate historical record of the goings-on of this gang of kakistrocrats is something so scary, so capable of causing them terminal angst, that they seemingly have no choice but to scurry around like cockroaches when the lights are turned on.

Most of the Dems though, including Reid and Pelosi are more followers than leaders.

Actually they are complicit. Pelosi knew about the waterboarding. Rockefeller knew about the wire taps. The 911 Commission was a whitewash of bureaucratic bumbling and mistakes. It's the same when it comes to deregulating the banks and Wall Street. Lobbyists write the legislation, and they don't even read their own bills. Meanwhile the American public has grown apathetic so why worry?

It's pretty obvious that we can't entrust oversight to the courts or Congress. What we need is a standing Grand Jury empaneled with citizens from every state and DC to investigate our government and hold accountable those who do not exercise due diligence or abuse their authority.

Then we should hang the guilty in public.

Buffalo Bob

What was the date of Germany's attack on the U.S. to get us into WW II?

No, Roosevelt waited a whole day before he did anything about the Japanese attack. Ten minutes? Pfft. Then you accuse him of "rushing to war" when he takes 2 more years to invade Iraq. Hypocrite.

I saw the attacks on 9/11 as they happened. The very minute. Then I watched the attack over and over and over and over again about 3 minutes later and for the rest of the day.

What lies? You mean how in the 1990's and early 2000's Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Madeline Albright, Sandy Burger, Ted Kennedy and every Democrat in D.C. said Saddam had WMD's? Those lies?

Go away lightweight.

so capable of causing them terminal angst, that they seemingly have no choice but to scurry around like cockroaches when the lights are turned on.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2008-07-18 02:27 PM

Are you sure it isn't the left wing nuts like yourself who have been scurring around like roaches waiting for food to drop? Bush being the food and the left being the roaches?

It was people like Noam Chomsky who showed them the way. Unintentionally I'm guessing, but he did show them.

Don't forget the other Einsteins like Gore and Carter. Oh and of course Seymour Hersh. The clowns of the left favorite prognosticator of war with Iran.

SeanR(EPUBLICAN)

No, Roosevelt waited a whole day before he did anything about the Japanese attack. Ten minutes? Pfft.

What a retarded analogy.
There was no internet and email in 1941. It took time to make telephone/telegraph calls, assess the damage of bombed and sunken battleships and find out exactly what happened.

I think taking only one day using only 1941-style communication ability to get WW II up and running was quite a feat on Roosevelt's part.

Then you accuse him of "rushing to war" when he takes 2 more years to invade Iraq. Hypocrite.

They didn't "rush to war" because it took Bush and Cheney more time to get their lies together and go thru fake attempts at diplomacy. Who can ever forget Colin Powell's infamous "show and tell" at the UN. I watched it live and even I knew it was a joke. Pen and ink sketches as evidence of mobile bio labs? Who are you kidding.

Bush/Cheney also needed to give enough time for the wild goosechase they sent the UN weapons inspectors on to look for the non-existent WMDs Bush lied about being in Iraq. And just a couple days before the weapons inspectors were about to come back and say nothing was found, Bush/Cheney yanked them out of Iraq and started their "shock and awe" on a country that was absolutely no threat to us at all.

Fake evidence had to be manufactured and sold to the U.S. public to drag us into a war based on false intel and lies and that takes time.

"I saw the attacks on 9/11 as they happened."

One dem senator responsible for the death of one person and hundreds of republicans responsible for the deaths of millions.

Posted by igmoramus

So I guess that's a pass for Kennedy.

CRISPEE that old argument about WMDs was for public consumption, no serious person really took it all that seriously. The Iraq war was planned before Bush was even president, it was discussed in PNAC, Greenspan said..."of course it was for oil, I thought everyone knew that". Remember when they discussed the "spoils" and that nations like FRance who would not join the Coalition of the Willing would be left out???? Hilary Clinton did vote for the invasion and I have said many times here that vote is why I supported Obama, not her. She has to take responsiblity for that vote. Sen. Bob Graham got it right, he explained his vote against the invasion...."I read the NIE report."

"So I guess that's a pass for Kennedy."

If and when Sen. Kennedy succumbs to brain cancer will you still continue your obsession???

I saw the attacks on 9/11 as they happened."

On television? The first attack? You and Bush must be using the same tv. (See www.whatreallyhappened.com)

"Are you sure it isn't the left wing. . ."

I'm quite sure, Crispee, that it's the blinkered, in-the-tank, lockstepping radical rightists like you who are fearful of attempts to learn exactly what's been going on during Bush's mispresidency.

Would you feel like an idiot if I told you I didn't post what you pasted? Not that it matters with you Doc. Just as long as you can post whatever tripe you can think of at the moment. Give yourself a high five.

CRISPEE that old argument about WMDs was for public consumption, no serious person really took it all that seriously. The Iraq war was planned before Bush was even president, it was discussed in PNAC, Greenspan said..."of course it was for oil, I thought everyone knew that". Remember when they discussed the "spoils" and that nations like FRance who would not join the Coalition of the Willing would be left out???? Hilary Clinton did vote for the invasion and I have said many times here that vote is why I supported Obama, not her. She has to take responsiblity for that vote. Sen. Bob Graham got it right, he explained his vote against the invasion...."I read the NIE report."

Posted by danni at 2008-07-18 03:07 PM | Reply

See Doc? How long it took for another fool to camp on your skewed post? Help her out will ya? Or maybe Calichris can answer. I think that was who her post was meant for.

"Would you feel like an idiot if I told you I didn't post what you pasted? . . .
Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-07-18 03:09 PM"

No, I'd feel I made a mistake. But that wouldn't make me an idiot. And that's not what happened, Crispee.

On the other hand, what makes you an idiot is not realizing that my post was a response to two different posts, only one of which involved you. In the first one quoted I referred to a claim made about 9/11. In the second quoted excerpt I responded to you.

Had your ego not gotten in the way of your brain you'd know that the first quote comes from "Posted by SeanR at 2008-07-18 02:31 PM" and the second from "Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-07-18 02:36 PM," a whopping five minutes and four posts later.

Now, do you feel like an idiot? Or do you just have a connectivity problem between information acquisition and processing?

"See Doc? How long it took for another fool to camp on your skewed post? Help her out will ya?. . .
Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-07-18 03:16 PM"

Uh, Crispee, Danni doesn't even refer to my post.

Feel free to continue posting when you can actually make some sense. We'll be waiting.

Whoeverthefuckyou are, you've got the wrong guy

Vern

No bitch. I've been on this board since before the 2004 elections. I got your number pal. Just because we can't see some of your old posts anymore, don't try claim your some sort of middle-of-the-road guy, cause your not.

Only now that your hero is looked upon as a failure do you want to disavow the Republican party.

Wrong-O. Conservative philosophy is that people who work hard should keep the fruits of their success, and use it to benefit their families and others.

You need to read a bit more brother. Redistribution of wealth (ie. power) is not a goal of the conservative movement.

At least own your shit bro.

"Japan attacked us. Germany and Italy declared war us. WTF are you talking about?"

Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Japan attacked us because of an oil embargo.

Germany declared war on us after the Lend Lease act and after we froze their assets and instituted an oil embargo.

Feel free to continue posting when you can actually make some sense. We'll be waiting.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2008-07-18 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You responded to something an hour later. I guess I will wait on anything I post in regards to you. Seeing as you couldn't be bothered to time stamp the paste. I apologize for moving on and forgetting I repsonded to your ridiculous post.

Fake evidence had to be manufactured and sold to the U.S. public to drag us into a war based on false intel and lies and that takes time.

Posted by CalifChris

WMDs Archives

"Japan attacked us because of an oil embargo.
Germany declared war on us after the Lend Lease act and after we froze their assets and instituted an oil embargo.
Posted by FreddyK at 2008-07-18 03:55 PM"

Yes. And you might as well say Japan attacked us because of the Boshin War and the rise of the Emperor Meiji. It matters not. The Japanese launched a preemptive attack on the US.

The German and Italian declarations of war against the US were in line with the terms of the Axis Alliance.

So what?

But, of course, the clown act remains Crispee's specialty. In executing the near-perfect pratfall, he mews:

Seeing as you couldn't be bothered to time stamp the paste. . .
Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-07-18 03:56 PM

So let's go back and see an earlier post:

"It was people like Noam Chomsky who showed them the way. Unintentionally I'm guessing, but he did show them. . .
Posted by SeanR at 2008-07-18 02:25 PM"

How did Crispee Clown deal with this?

It was people like Noam Chomsky who showed them the way. Unintentionally I'm guessing, but he did show them.

Don't forget the other Einsteins like Gore and Carter. Oh and of course Seymour Hersh. The clowns of the left favorite prognosticator of war with Iran.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-07-18 02:43 PM

"You responded to something an hour later. I guess I will wait on anything I post in regards to you."

Sorry, Crispee, but I don't organize my day around your schedule. That would be your nanny. Take it up with her.

"It was people like Noam Chomsky who showed them the way. Unintentionally I'm guessing, but he did show them. . .
Posted by SeanR at 2008-07-18 02:25 PM"

Chomsky, A Man And His Linguistics...The Interview Noam Chomsky Didn't Want To Do

Professor, when Professors Walt and Mearsheimer came out with their paper arguing that the Israel Lobby had pressured the U.S. government into Middle East policies that were strategically and morally unjustifiable, some suggested, that you, with a perfect opportunity to drive a stake through the heart of the Count Aipacula beast, dropped your hammer like a nervous Roddy MacDowell character in one of those cheap horror movies he starred in.

Don't forget the other Einsteins like Gore and Carter. Oh and of course Seymour Hersh. The clowns of the left favorite prognosticator of war with Iran.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-07-18 02:43 PM

No time stamp, no attribution. Way to go, back at ya Crispee Clown!

So shouldn't Sean R be the one to complain if it was not understood? The bottom line is your post about the cockroaches could easily be turned around. Which is my opinion and I posted it. You don't like it tough shit. I couldn't care less what you or danni or any other gutless lefty thinks, lives, smokes, drinks. To use a Larry Mohr line "You are as signifigance as a pimple on a gnats ass."

I have no problem admitting I am not the sharpest tool in the Drudge shed. Nor would I try and compete with many on their intellectual level. This is a fucking website. Not reality. If that was the case I would be in jail if I got five minutes alone with some of the posters here alone.

Japan attacked us because of an oil embargo.

Germany declared war on us after the Lend Lease act and after we froze their assets and instituted an oil embargo.

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Ahh so it's the United States' fault we got into WWII. Boy oh boy.

Ahh so it's the United States' fault we got into WWII. Boy oh boy.

Posted by cjk85

OPJB "Operation James Bond", published in 1996 by author Christopher Creighton (real name John Ainsworth-Davis).

one of the "secrets' revealed in book is the Dutch sub 17 radioed back to England ~ which churchill then fwd to FDR ~ that the Japanese fleet was on it's way to Pearl Harbor Dec 6...

The sub was then taken out with all personal by the author on orders of his control (Flemming) for sealed lips tell no tales:>)

Everything you accuse Bush of doing has precedent with Democratic presidents.

Posted by SeanR at 2008-07-18 02:01 PM | Reply

There has never been a President in the history of this country that has even come close to resembling this pigheaded ignorant spoiled little child asshole...even Richard Nixon !!

If that was the case I would be in jail if I got five minutes alone with some of the posters here alone.

Posted by crispee_oc

Is that a threat?

This is a fucking website. Not reality. If that was the case I would be in jail if I got five minutes alone with some of the posters here alone.

Not necessarily Crispee, you and 08R4EVER can find a state where sodomy is legal.

"So shouldn't Sean R be the one to complain if it was not understood?"

Which he didn't. In fact, I wouldn't be in the least surprised if he didn't understand why he should complain about something just because you didn't understand it.

"I have no problem admitting I am not the sharpest tool in the Drudge shed."

No problem? Hell, Crispee, you have n