Good. Let her rot in prison.

They all should've been dead 35 years ago.

In a letter opposing the release request, Tate's sister, Debra Tate, the last surviving member of her immediate family, called Atkins "a cold-blooded woman who to this day has not displayed any remorse."

this is factually incorrect, roman polanski is still alive and as her widow is also of her immediate family.

i have to agree, keep her in prison, she had no mercy and should receive none.

widower

I wonder if she would have made a miraculous recovery from her illness if she was released. One thing's for sure, I'd rather not give her the opportunity.

"I wonder if she would have made a miraculous recovery from her illness if she was released"

If she grew back the limb that has been amputated, that WOULD be a miracle.

She doesn't deserve to have her freedom. She and the other Manson clan members committed horrific crimes.

"Sexy Sadie"

Sexy Sadie what have you done
You made a fool of everyone
You made a fool of everyone
Sexy Sadie ooh what have you done

Sexy Sadie you broke the rules
You layed it down for all to see
You layed it down for all to see
Sexy Sadie oooh you broke the rules...

- Beatles

See how easy it is to punish these people without becoming murderers ourselves?

Life without parole is a serious punishment.

It would have sucked to let her off the hook 35 years ago Lee. She was forced to think about her crimes all this time and in the end, she meets the same fate and we don't have to be barbarians.

Perfectly stated Manypaths.

I agree with Arnold on this.

Actually I have seen her express remorse... in a couple of television interviews... but how can that eve be enough? She was so young when she committed the crime. Even her life was wasted in that crime. Of course that is still when we held youngsters responsible for their actions.

She was forced to think about her crimes all this time and in the end, she meets the same fate and we don't have to be barbarians.

That would be super duper if she actually regretted committing the crimes versus getting caught and convicted.

If she doesn't regret committing the crimes and shows no remorse, then spending her life "thinking" about it has only caused tax-payers more grief.

Axiom, I say too bad, some things in life have consequences. You cannot always say, I am sorry and just move on. This is part of the reason you let your kids suffer the consequences of their actions early on when the consequences are things they will overcome. Then at least they have a chance of not screwing up their lives.

Whitehouse - "Your Honor, we request the compassionate release of Susan Atkins because of her deteriorating health, has had her left leg amputated, and is paralyzed on her right side."

Judge - "Mr. Whitehouse, what part of 'life sentence without parole' didn't you understand? No. Next case."

it has only caused tax-payers more grief.

I am a tax payer and have no grief whatsoever.

She is STILL paying the price for her crimes. Now THAT'S justice.

"Actually I have seen her express remorse... in a couple of television interviews... but how can that eve be enough? She was so young when she committed the crime. Even her life was wasted in that crime. Of course that is still when we held youngsters responsible for their actions."

There's no way that Atkins has even begun to pay for her crimes - that's just not possible in this dimension. Maybe on the other side....

Anybody here who's too young to remember the Manson murders, go here and take a look at what these people did before you go shooting off your mouth with a half-assed opinion. WARNING: Not suitable for work. Or lunch either, for that matter.

See how easy it is to punish these people without becoming murderers ourselves?

Life without parole is a serious punishment.

It would have sucked to let her off the hook 35 years ago Lee. She was forced to think about her crimes all this time and in the end, she meets the same fate and we don't have to be barbarians.
Posted by Manypaths

How dare you agree with Fox News' Bill O'Reilly.

It would have sucked to let her off the hook 35 years ago Lee. She was forced to think about her crimes all this time and in the end, she meets the same fate and we don't have to be barbarians.

Posted by Manypaths at 2008-07-16 01:17 PM

Sounds warm and fluffy to keep her alive but in the end boils down to dollars and cents.
Just Sadie's medical care alone has cost California over a $1 million not to mention the cost of all her mandatory appeals. Do you want your taxes spent to keep her alive?

She should have been executed. Have you ever read about the Tate and La Bianca killings? I have. Read about them and then tell me if you think she didn't deserve the death penalty long ago.

Vicent Bugliosi, who was Deputy D.A. at the time and who wrote the book "Helter Skelter," lives about a 10 minute drive from me in Glendale, Ca. The murdered husband and wife -- the La Biancas -- lived on Los Feliz Blvd. which was less than a 20 minute drive from my house. At the time no one knew who was doing all these killings. There was a big climate of fear here in Los Angeles.

i'm not old enough for the manson murders

but..

they were a bunch of really really f'd up people
and they need to stay out of society

and its a shame some of them got to reproduce.

I always try to put myself in place of the victim's family. How would I feel if that had happened to my daughter or sister?

Stick a fork in her...She's fucking done!

For the benefit of all those even now opposing mercy for this pathetic woman:

Keep her body in that cell. Open it to the public on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays and allow the entire Let-Her-Rot gang inside to kick her lifeless bones. herm

"allow the entire Let-Her-Rot gang inside to kick her lifeless bones. herm"

Posted by herm

And they will be singing Helter Skelter.

"She should have been executed."

Posted by CalifChris

Okay. You seem to be nominally pro death penalty. In keeping then with that, then you must be willing, if called upon, to serve as executioner: pull the switch, press the buttons, turn the valves, pull the trigger, yank the rope, swing the sword, drop the trap door, release the hounds.

Sorry, you cannot be pro, call for death, then allow the State to always act in your stead because you're too squeamish or wussy to do the job yourself.

She should have found Jayzuzz years ago. She'd have her own show on FOX by now.

And they will be singing Helter Skelter.

Posted by Zatoichi

FF!

She did not sound remorseful when the sister Tate was interviewed. She stated Atkins told them flat out she didn't care about Sharon.

Bugliosi was also commenting that she should be let out.

His brain went to mush.

Justice is served with her dying in prison.

Now if we could fix the rehab part of the system to actually work--we would have more room in prisons for the folks who need to stay there for life.

Also fix the sentences as there appears to be some disparity with the number of blacks in prison.

Herm--

You protest too much.

She is getting treatment in prison--she is comfortable. Gosh they took her leg off to extend her life to this point. She gets drugs for the pain!

She did nothing for compassion when she drove that knife into Sharon Tate and killed the baby and Tate. Sliced them up like a meat grinder.

Think about that..

"Denied Release"?
What-no reach-around? Wouldn't give her a happy ending?

Too bad. So sad. Sux to be you duh'n it?

She should have found Jayzuzz years ago. She'd have her own show on FOX by now.
Posted by northguy3

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"Life without parole is a serious punishment.

It would have sucked to let her off the hook 35 years ago Lee. She was forced to think about her crimes all this time and in the end, she meets the same fate and we don't have to be barbarians."

Posted by Manypaths

Does anybody know about how it costs to keep someone in prison for 37 years?

As opposed to a bit of cyanide.

Life without parole is a serious punishment.

It would have sucked to let her off the hook 35 years ago Lee. She was forced to think about her crimes all this time and in the end, she meets the same fate and we don't have to be barbarians.

Posted by Manypaths

Her sentence was comuted to 25 to life and she has had 3 parole hearings already. If she is no longer a danger, she should be let free.

She should have found Jayzuzz years ago. She'd have her own show on FOX by now.

Posted by northguy3

She wrote a book 25 years ago chronicling her finding of jesus called "Child of Satan child of God"

pretty lame book.

and Sharon Tate's Sister who attended all the Manson Family parole hearings died 2 years ago from breast cancer.

Tex Watson did most of the killing. Manson did none. If this case wasn't sensationalized Atkins would have ben charged as an accessory and would have done 5 to 10 years.

I always try to put myself in place of the victim's family. How would I feel if that had happened to my daughter or sister?

Yeah, because we all want the law to revolve around the reactions of the most hysterically-emotional among us.

I say we castrate the fucker who stole my grandfather's fly reel out of my truck!!!!!!! Cut that fucker's balls off!!!!

Putting yourself in place of hysterical and irrationally thinking people is NOT a good idea Dude.

Someone could get killed for Christ's sake..........;)

Murphy - as a Christian, do you not agree that there is no sin so egregious that it cannot be forgiven?

Apparently this woman has expressed remorse for her acts (albeit not initially), has accepted Christ, and dedicated many years to helping others.

Combine that with the fact that the crime was committed by a young girl, mentally and physically abused at home, and under the influence of drugs and a homicidal maniac.

If Christ can forgive her, and we are to strive to be like Him, shouldn't we forgive her too?

If she was of sound mind and body I would say no way should she get out. But I do feel a spark of compassion for her at this stage of the game. What purpose is truly served by keeping her there?

"Denied Release"?
What-no reach-around? Wouldn't give her a happy ending?

Too bad. So sad. Sux to be you duh'n it?

Posted by frankf55 at 2008-07-16 03:23 PM | Reply | F

You suck.

Herm:

Scroll up to my earlier post, click the goddamn link and see for yourself what this "pathetic woman" did. There are some things too evil to forgive. That may not be currently fashionable thinking, but it's the fuckin' truth.

Shirtsbyeric

If this case wasn't sensationalized Atkins would have been charged as an accessory
and would have done 5 to 10 years....

Atkins stabbed the 8-months pregnant Sharon Tate 16 times, tasted her blood, and then used her blood to write the word "Pigs" on the wall and you consider her an "assessory"?
Geeze, then I'd hate to see what one would have to do to be considered one of the main players.

Actually there was quite a bit of speculation at the time that Atkins may have exaggerated her role in order to gain stature in Manson's eyes.

her husband and attorney, James Whitehouse

charles "tex" watson is married with 3 children

why is it that lifers are allowed to marry and procreate?

"why is it that lifers are allowed to marry and procreate?"

Interestingly, his kids were conceived during conjugal visits. Sharon Tate's mother was instrumental in lobbying to have them banned a number of years ago.

Actually there was quite a bit of speculation at the time that Atkins may have
exaggerated her role in order to gain stature in Manson's eyes.

Gee, now a that's possibility to ponder.
Maybe Atkins only stabbed the 8-months pregnant Sharon Tate 8 times instead of 16?

a that's - that's a

I'm sick of correcting my own typos. No more. Deal with it.

If jurors actually understood that "life without possibility of parole" actually meant exactly that (at least here in California) I suspect a lot fewer defendants would ever receive the death penalty.

"as a Christian, do you not agree that there is no sin so egregious that it cannot be forgiven?"

Certainly an easy way out, ain't it?

Pol Pot

Hitler

Stalin

Dahmer

Gacy

Manson

Sharon

Arafat

just too mention a tiny handful,

should all be forgiven if they simply so "I'm sorry" and accept Christ?

What of their victims who remain dead? Where is their justice? Where is the humanity in forgiving inhuman acts?

What of the other heinous crimes committed by countless others, only to have them cry out "Jaysus, saaave me!" and all is forgiven?

Quite the mockery that is.

I don't think so.

"should all be forgiven if they simply so "I'm sorry" and accept Christ?"

Depends on whether or not you are a Christian. If you are, as Murphy so often professes to be, then the answer is "yes".

atkins seems to have accepted her responsibility in the crimes and attempted to better herself, it seems sincere, although it may have been geared to a parole board, but 35 years of service in her prison to the causes she was able to work on, directing donations to the charities of her victims (without going through her), what appears to be a clean life, etc.

but she must pay for her crime. and the vicious nature of it calls for the maximum permissible, life without parole and life without parole is just that.

If she accepts Christ and wants forgiveness--that is between her and Christ.

The victim's family has their own conscious and hearts to live with.

Not my call. She did the crime--now do the time and or the punishment set by society.

Frankly--IHMO--folks sent to prison for life for murder is justice. They should also do hard labor--pound rocks to grains of sand with another rock. No internet, no spouses, no way to create children--that has to be the dumbest liberal thing going on in prison!

I go back and forth on the death penalty--if henious enough--yes. Saddam's death was justified.

"Not my call."

So just to be clear, are you saying that, as a Christian, you are not compelled to offer her the same compassion and forgiveness as our Lord?

SAN,

Forgiveness & Christianity. Christ knows our heart and whether we're truly repentent. So, yes, Christ/God does forgive sin... even sin that we as humans think is unforgiveable.

I'm sure you're at least somewhat familiar with the story of the prodigal son... whose father threw a big bash for the guy after he'd basically run off and partied while the other son diligently served pops. The diligent son was pissed that he'd done all this work, only to see the lowlife guy get a king's treatment.

Anyway, probably the core of your question is whether an earthly Christian, someone trying to live as Christ-like a life as possible, ought to forgive.

My take is that forgiveness has little/nothing to do with the attitude of the guilty person. Rather, I can CHOOSE to forgive those who've wronged me... just as Christ came to earth to die for my sin. If he can do it, so can I. It's more liberating for me than it may be for the guilty person rotting in prison. Harboring hate, revenge, etc, is a poison in our own nervous system.

There's a difference, IMO, between forgiving and pardoning. I can forgive on my own personal level, but the perp has committed a crime and the state is carrying out just punishment. It would be for the state to determine a pardon. I can petition the state for leniency but ultimately all I can do is forgive the person - I lack the authority to suspend the sentence.

Jesus not only forgave, but in fact "pardoned" the adultress. For whatever that is worth.

On a different note, recall Christ on the cross with the two bad guys. One confessed he was guilty and asked for Christ's mercy,etc. Christ didn't set him free (earthly freedom) but did promise him a ticket on the Heavenly Tour Bus (eternal freedom).

Try as Christians might to live a "perfect" life like Christ did, we are human and incapable of living perfectly. So, things like unrighteous anger, revenge, greed, pride, etc... those are all human emotions and we commit those sins.

Christ knows our heart and whether we're truly repentent. So, yes, Christ/God does forgive sin...

Your level of confidence is absolutely stunning!

What do you think the 3 Little Pigs have to say?

"Rather, I can CHOOSE to forgive those who've wronged me..."

Yes, as a human being you have free will to make that choice. However, if you are truly striving to live a Christian life then you know that Christ commands you to forgive. If you then choose not to, you have set aside the teachings of your faith to follow your own path.

"I can petition the state for leniency but ultimately all I can do is forgive the person - I lack the authority to suspend the sentence."

I agree with you. My point to Murphy was that if you extend Christian compassion and forgiveness to someone, especially under these (Atkins) particular circumstances, what purpose, other than vengeance, is served here? And Romans 12:19 addresses that subject quite well, I think.

San--

You want this to be 20 hypotheticals--;o)

Yes--we should forgive the monster--now go meet the Creator.

Is that what you want to hear?

People who lose loved ones to monsters have to search their own hearts and soul to find forgiveness--I cannot mandate that for someone else.

And if it was my daughter--I doubt I would be able to fully forgive the monster--if at all. To compel myself to forgive a monster is not something I have had to experience first hand.

And if that makes me too human--get over it.

The Lord is soooo much better at the acts of forgiveness.

I am not there--nowhere near there.

MOD-
I don't disagree. He (Christ) also brought Lazarus back to life and performed other miracles as a means of demonstrating His power/dominion over things of the earth and to show folks He was top dog.

Tamar (the prostitute you're referring to) was a ho... and the Pharisees (extremely "legalistic" sorts of know it all leaders) were exacting the "law" on her. Christ's apparent agenda here was two-fold: to rebuke the "legalistic" religious leaders... and to implore the sinner to sin no more. I presume she quit her prostituting, but I honestly don't recall whether Scripture confirms that.

But to your point about pardoning, I don't recall Christ freeing a truly guilty person... he probably did, but nothing comes immediately to mind. His thing was the eternal life - and being "free" in that regard vs the just punishment exacted by the state while living on earth. Death by stoning wasn't, in Christ's view, a just penalty apparently. I would agree and suspect most would as well.

"Your level of confidence is absolutely stunning!" - MANY

Yes, I'm confident. He tells us so. Should I not trust Him on that?

"If you then choose not to, you have set aside the teachings of your faith to follow your own path." - SAN

Agreed. My point was that as fallible humans, we are faced with infinite decisions in our life. We have free will to choose, for example, to sin. And in many cases we choose to sin, so yes... you could say we are choosing our own path. Still, that doesn't mean we've rejected Christ and are doomed to hell. We are saved by grace.

So while I'm sure Christ would want us to forgive the person, he has given us the freedom to make our own choices. Not unlike how you and your kids might interact.

I like to compare the Christ - human relationship with that of an earthly father & son. My boys aren't perfect. They've said and done disappointing and hurtful things. But I love them unconditionally. Such is the way with Christ and us on earth.

Gotta step out for a while. Some *sshole with Jehovah's Witnesses is on the front step. I'm going to get the dogs after him... now, where's my beer?...

My wife is always so patient and friendly to JWs. I don't know why. It only encourages them. However, I did listen to a hilarious encounter during which my wife was enthusing about the Catholic Church, when one of the JWs started agreeing with her. The other JW got miffed and cut short the visit.

Yes, I'm confident. He tells us so. Should I not trust Him on that?

No. Someone else told you that they heard him say something to that effect.

Jesus couldn't find an inked turkey quill, remember.

Ok, Oohrah. That was funny.

So just to be clear, are you saying that, as a Christian, you are not compelled
to offer her the same compassion and forgiveness as our Lord?

Jesus doesn't sit in the jury box.

Posted by OohRah at 2008-07-16 05:25 PM

That was way funny--lol 'o)

"She should have found Jayzuzz years ago. She'd have her own show on FOX by now.
Posted by northguy3"

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Some people just can't control that jerking left knee, no matter how idiotic it makes them look. Just blame the kool-aid and ignore it.

Goatman, everybody is enjoying an enjoyable time on the DR. Please go away.

Gotta step out for a while. Some *sshole with Jehovah's Witnesses is on the front step. I'm going to get the dogs after him... now, where's my beer?...

I had one come by last week using a tactic I had not seen. He and his buddy (both in ties and slacks, of course) asked if I had any chores they could help with. Stupid me, I should have told them, "Yes, clean the garage and mow the yard" before I told them to fuck off.

I'll know better next time.

Goatman, everybody is enjoying an enjoyable time on the DR. Please go away.

What's it worth to you? I can be bought. But 'go away' simply because a mindless twit says so? Nope.

"And if it was my daughter-"

It wasn't.

But you miss the point I'm trying to make, specifically to you Murphy.

You are always very quick to point out to others what they should think and do in order to be a good "Christian" by your standards. I was simply giving you some of it back.

I wish the Let-Her-Rot-So-We-Can-Kick- Her-Dead-Bones folksies were just a bit more convincing in their traditional Christian piety.

None make any claim to society being served by literally tearing this pathetic (yes!) creature limb from limb for an admittedly abominable crime committed half her lifetime ago while befuddled by acid and hypnotized by a leader who SHOULD stay behind bars. No, even if Manson were that badly off, I couldn't ask that. herm

I was making a joke on the JWs post. Actually had a couple honey do's before supper.

GOAT- We occasionally get either Mormon or JWs at our place. Living in the Bible Belt we sometimes get other churches too. All have been very polite and haven't been pushy.

I'm more polite to them than Mrs Oohrah tends to be. A simple no thanks - we are happy attending the church we do... you know, the one which sacrifices goats and small children... that one.

I actually told that to one of them many years back just to see whether they were really listening to me or had already mentally moved on to their canned rebuttal. To his credit he must have actually heard me because he stopped and stared. A couple seconds must have seemed an eternity because I didn't say a word.

Then I laughed and wished him a good day... and told him where we attend and he went on his way.

"What's it worth to you? I can be bought. But 'go away' simply because a mindless twit says so? Nope." - GOAT

You drive a hard bargain my friend.

Remember the old "Let's Make A Deal?" Monty Hall would offer people $5 if they had a postage stamp or some random crap. For some reason your post reminded me of that show.

Remember the old "Let's Make A Deal?" Monty Hall would offer people $5 if they had a postage stamp or some random crap. For some reason your post reminded me of that show.

LOL. Yes, I remember that. "I'll give you $20 for every paperclip you have".

I love flashbacks.

Speaking of flashbacks, my daughter-in-law and I were going to N Texas from San Antonio a few days ago. We stopped at a truck stop in Temple for gas. We almost didn't stop there because there was a gas station on our side of the I-35, and I hate crossing if you don't have to. Know what I mean?

Anyway, I didn't argue. We crossed the hiway and got gas. I heard someone say my name, but it was a man's voice, not my daughter-in-law's. It was a guy I worked with 15 years ago. He, too, was many miles from his home on a road trip.

I love flashbacks.

The victims and family of this woman received no consideration. They were murdered in a particularly violent and vicious manner. To give her a place to live out her unnatural life is far more than fair. More would dishonor the victims and their families.

Manson Family has nothing on the Treason and "Mass Murders" committed by the Bush/Cheney Regime!

Susan Atkins and the entire so-called Manson family are all absolute "Saints" compared to the ultra Mass_Murderers of the Bush Regime! Just shows you how terminally fucked up the American Justice System is!

You suck.

Posted by 101Chairborne

Well, whine-oh-whine-I'm no pole smoker, not even a rump ranger, so-you'll have to find something else to accuse me of......

Hershey Highway Patrolman?

Never say never...

Miss Atkins should be released to try to made
ammends as best as she can.

Give her a chance, Arnie.
Give peace a chance.

Be Well.

Look in the "Trivia" section for Monty's Dilemma

I've seen and studied Monty's dilemma. I still don't buy it. I even saw it posited to that super brainiac woman, Marilyn Vos Savant in the newspaper and she concurred as of course was written up in your link.

I'm still not convinced of it. I think your odds are 50/50 and switching doors offers no advantage. Unfortunately, I'm not smart enough to support my claim mathematically, only intuitively, so I'll have to concede to the experts.

Skip-In a word "NO".

Sorry brain cancer lady who helped be so evil toward another human. Rot in jail then rot in Hell.

they should give her case to dr. kevorkian...

so she can die with dignity? well that is mighty christian of you.

er fauxtian that is

nanc, do you believe she is entitled to forgiveness?

Cut off her morphine. That should do it.

ahhhh just another question nanc wont answer

"... they should give her case to dr. kevorkian ..."

I think Nancy is being cute. Tough as nails. REAL Christian! If Ms. Atkins needs assisted suicide bcause her punishment, law-wise and health-wise, is too excruciating, she surely should have it. The nancies and other devout evangelists who'd dismember this poor woman after she dies probably don't accept Dr. Kervorkian as an authentic American hero either. herm

i think it is another one of those not well thought out posts cause the meaning of her post is either a. she wants atkins to die with dignity and get over pain-this is what dr K was all about (doubtful she was calling for this) or b. atkins should die die die-however that does not jive with her fauxtian belief system. from all I have read atkins has done what christians are supposed to do, acknowledge their sins, seek forgiveness and attempted to make amends.

I dont know atkins, I cant speak to her sincerity she was young when she committed her horrendous crime. she hasnt paid enough of a debt

fwiw her punishment is not life without parole but 25 years to life, apparently her not receiving parole is unprecedented given her circumstances but in my opiion, warranted.

Some people just can't control that jerking left knee, no matter how idiotic it makes them look. Just blame the kool-aid and ignore it.
Posted by goatman

Think I'll open a knee-replacement practice and place a banner add on the DR. I could make a fortune.

"Putting yourself in place of hysterical and irrationally thinking people is NOT a good idea Dude.

Someone could get killed for Christ's sake..........;)"

Posted by Manypaths at 2008-07-16 03:30 PM

Yeah. We need to be more rational like the Supremes who voted down the death penalty for child rapists. Wouldn't want anything bad to happen to the rapists.

everyone is entitled to forgiveness, truthhurts. that is between the Maker and the person asking to be forgiven.

fair enough, but shouldnt we be forgiving as well? to be like christ?

is it consistent to wish death on atkins? as a christian, shouldnt you forgive her?

despite her vile crimes she has lead what appears to be as good a life as she can in her situation.

she has accepted her crimes, she has sought forgiveness, she has lead a life of good deeds since her crimes, she has attempted to atone and give restitution to the victims families.

shouldnt someone such as she be worthy of mercy?

Again i am for leaving her in prison, but are criminals forever irredeemable?

What does "redeemable" mean in this context? Someone I would want living next door? Someone who has made their peace with God? Someone who experiences remorse for their crimes? What does it mean?

Headline should have read - "Woman who commits gruesome murder denied parole". Leave it to the mainstream liberal media to portray her as a victim.

I disagree Ozark. The only reason the issue is of interest is because, as the title points out, the juxtaposition between pity for a dying person and horror for someone who willingly assisted one of the most horrific murderers of the 20th century. That is the crux.

I disagree Ozark. The only reason the issue is of interest is because, as the title points out, the juxtaposition between pity for a dying person and horror for someone who willingly assisted one of the most horrific murderers of the 20th century. That is the crux.
Posted by moder8

Mod - None of us caused her illness. And she has been given excellent health care and now morphine, which is much, much more consideration than her victims got. She got to live on for years and years and her victims did not.

About the meaning of "redeemable" - it appears the system has done the best it can to "redeem" this person. At least she is alive. But ultimately if Christ says she is fully redeemable it is because He is able to see a far larger picture than any of us can. And as someone else said, this is between her and Him anyway.

You are always very quick to point out to others what they should think and do in order to be a good "Christian" by your standards. I was simply giving you some of it back.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-07-16 06:01 PM

San you missed my answer--

We are not perfect. It is between her and the Creator.

I agree with Oorah 5:21 post.

And what standards? lol

Not to use the N-word, not to be rude to other people--those standards??

Brain cancer is fatal and the death is rather horrible. Let her spend the end in a normal hospital.

There is a reason they call it "Life in Prison Without Parole".

Manypaths already nailed it and it is worth repeating here:

See how easy it is to punish these people without becoming murderers ourselves?

Life without parole is a serious punishment.

It would have sucked to let her off the hook 35 years ago Lee. She was forced to think about her crimes all this time and in the end, she meets the same fate and we don't have to be barbarians.

Posted by Manypaths at 2008-07-16 01:17 PM

Manson Family has nothing on the Treason and "Mass Murders" committed by the Bush/Cheney Regime!

Susan Atkins and the entire so-called Manson family are all absolute "Saints" compared to the ultra Mass_Murderers of the Bush Regime! Just shows you how terminally fucked up the American Justice System is!

Hopefully, you can be "re-educated" and make at least a partial recovery.

i have nothing for which to forgive her.