RN -- Good link. Guess Carter doesn't like Cheney much. Cheney say's conservation is a "personal virtue." Cheney likes oil because he makes his money from oil and drilling rigs.

Carter has been insulted for all these years by the right wing liars, it probably feels good to him to be proven correct and Ronnie Raygun is now being seen as the opportunistic, immoral thug that he really was....may he burn in hell forever.

Yes, it should be on the Front Page.

If one listens to Carters dissertation 29 years on, it really drives home the insincerity of those on the right, who for years have attacked Carter only to later excuse Bush for the same thing, their commitment to Staying the Course-- and their proclivity to setting the dials of their Way-Back time Machines to Skip all Republicans-- when assailing anyone who questions their rational and their selective if not outright fabricated memory!

Note that Carter talks about Conservation--, Efficiency-- AND Expanding Production-- In an Ecologically Friendly Way ----- 29 Years Ago!

Wrong Side of History Indeed!

Why are my quotations being stripped out and being substituted with hyphens?

Jimmy Carter was too smart to be president. I said that in 1980 and it's still true.

Don't be goofy. Carter gets reamed mainly (and possibly unfairly) for the hostage crisis, the gas crisis and 18% mortgages. I've never seen anybody razzing him for saying these things in this item you have posted.

29 years ago it was a present danger.

Was it a present danger after 10 years? 20 years?

"Don't be goofy. Carter gets reamed mainly (and possibly unfairly) for the hostage crisis, the gas crisis and 18% mortgages."

None of which were caused by him and no other president could have done any better. At least he didn't stoop to trading arms for hostages though. I've never understood how Reagan admirers were always able to overlook that and some other things too. Sort of selective memory I think. I believe that Reagan's most important qualification for president was his looks because his head was actually completely empty.

The oil embargo should have taught America the importance and urgency of finding alternatives to oil for our way of life.

The cheap oil of the 80s and 90s lied to America that there will always be plenty of cheap oil for the taking. This myth was perpetrated by the right and left alike.

Artificially low energy prices have kept inflation in check and have now come to an end.

Inflation is conservatively running 9% and all the fed is concerned about is artificially propping up an economy on life support.

There are no magic bullets left. If the government wants the economy to linger in it's current state it can continue to pump cash into consumers hands through stimulus checks, but that just adds to our deficit and drives the dollar lower.

Without a fundamental retraction in the economy the next period of growth will be hard to get started. I beleive that right now the fed and the US government interference in the markets cycle is creating more problems than it is solving.

All because it is an election year.

"This myth was perpetrated by the right and left alike."

Huh??? How did the left perpetuate this myth???
I remember the "left" talking about conservation, the environment, the "war for oil", the secret energy meeting, lots of things but I don't remember the "left" saying there would always be plenty of oil for SUVs. The left can be accused of quite a few things but not this IMHO.

None of which were caused by him and no other president could have done any better. At least he didn't stoop to trading arms for hostages though. I've never understood how Reagan admirers were always able to overlook that and some other things too. Sort of selective memory I think. I believe that Reagan's most important qualification for president was his looks because his head was actually completely empty.
Posted by danni

Danni please try to focus. I said Carter had been accused possibly unfairly, ok? And also note that instead of supporting what seems like an astute and prescient outpouring from President Carter you instead inexplicably go for a cheap shot and attack Ronald Reagan. WTF?

"The One Hundred Third United States Congress was a meeting of the legislative branch of the United States federal government, composed of the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives. It met in Washington, DC from January 3, 1993 to January 3, 1995, during the first two years of the first administration of U.S. President Bill Clinton.

The apportionment of seats in this House of Representatives was based on the Twenty-first Census of the United States in 1990.

Both chambers had a Democratic majority." From Wiki.

Therefore, the Democrats had the House, the Senate, and the White House.

Please show the energy bills the Democrats presented and fought for to save the US from foreign oil? Where's the energy bills that were placed that would have prevented today's problems?

At the rate your dollar is falling, you can just burn the paper for energy. What, me worry?

Where's the energy bills that were placed that would have prevented today's problems?
Posted by Petrous at 2008-07-16 03:45 PM

YEAH!

Why its the One Prior to Bushs Super Secrete Energy Policy!
You know the one BEFORE the Super Secrete policy we arent permitted to see that resulted in a 267% increase in Fuel Price and the one that made energy Super Lucrative for the Bush rangers!

Carter was an intelligent and compassionate leader. He also had great vision.
His problem was that he proved to be not much of a leader. The hostage crisis was the clearest example of that. America time and again has proven that it prefers a misguided leader to an ineffective leader. It took the stunning incompetence and criminality of GWB to push his approval ratings even lower that JCs.

MODER8 how did the hostage crisis prove Carter was not much of a leader???
What could some other president have done differently???

Where are the bills the Democrats put forward when they had control of both the Legislative and Executive branches?

Both parties have failed to save the country. They both have had control and failed.

But wait everyone.

Carter was wrong. We got out of that energy crisis without drilling more and have had pretty cheap energy until this administration came along.

What was their energy policy again?

Oh yeah, it's a SECRET!!!! Shhhhhhhhhhh

Gee, you think jacking up the price of gas was mentioned in any of these meetings of Oil Men?

Nahhhhhh. Go to bed America. You're government is in control!

Danni - have you by chance hired Celisary to ghost-write for you?

The news today was 1.1% inflation this month. 1.011**12 = 14% annualized inflation.

Can the class tell me when the "Whip Inflation Now" buttons came out? Gerry Ford, right?

Carter, bless him, took serious, if painful, steps to right the economy after Nixon, Ford, and too much Vietnam spending.

If Obama wins the election, will anyone remember this inflation as Bush-era in a decade?

Not a fan of Carter, or Redneckville for that matter... but Marketplace is a great and interesting show. Good link.

I remember the crisis. Carter instilled a feeling of helplessness. As if there was nothing we could do about it. And when he did try the rescue, it was a complete debacle. America did not seem like a superpower under his watch. As much as I loathed Reagan as a President, there never was a feeling of helplessness when he was in charge. Again, even if Reagan was completely misguided on the issues (eg: Grenada) , there was never a feeling of American impotence.

But you think Obama will do better than Toothy, when he's made in the same mold. You poor fool.

"As much as I loathed Reagan as a President, there never was a feeling of helplessness when he was in charge."

Huh??? How about when all those Marines were killed in Beirut? Reagan never retaliated. The French did more about it than we did.

When carter was president, he tried to use diplomacy to solve the hostage crisis. The problem with that was that the people he was talking to don't understand diplomacy.

Raygun let it be known if the hostages were still in captivity after he took office, he would start bombing. they released the hostages the day after raygun took office. That they understood. Plus he pronmised them weapons.

Now, I agree that Carter was the most moral and compassionate president we have ever had. Too bad it is an office where being moral is a disadvantage.

At some point in time, when you are dealing with immoral people, you have to get medieval on their asses. The radical islamists knew Carter wouldn't do that so they weren't compelled to release them.

Carter did send a rescue mission for the hostages, unfortunately there was an unexpected sand storm which caused the helicopters to crash. He wasn't totally passive about the situation, but he was caught in a catch 22 after the Iranians moved the hostages to many different locations thereby making rescue impossible.

Danni as much as I admired Carter, I think Lipzoidals post is right on point.

"clear and present danger" thirty years after the fact? LOL ok

Jimmy Carters Energy plan...... 1977

--Reduce the annual growth rate in our energy demand to less than two percent.

--Reduce gasoline consumption by ten percent below its current level.

--Cut in half the portion of United States oil which is imported, from a potential level of 16 million barrels to six million barrels a day.

--Establish a strategic petroleum reserve of one billion barrels, more than six months' supply.

--Increase our coal production by about two thirds to more than 1 billion tons a year.

--Insulate 90 percent of American homes and all new buildings.

"Plus he pronmised them weapons."

yeah, PLUS HE DEALT WITH TERRORISTS and many believe it was a deal done before he was inaugurated.....Reagan was elected because of the hostage crisis. His threat of bombing didn't do anything because the Iranians could harm the hostages and he and they knew it.

So you think Reagan was correct for doing "arms for hostages"????
I don't.

"Another option was to just increase the cost of fuel via taxation."

It's too bad we didn't take that option. We could have reduced gas consumption and possibly built mass transit system with the money.

No. Of course not. The point is though, Reagan scared the shit out of everyone. He seemed both stupid enough and ideological enough to go psycho on anyone who got in his way. Carter never was like that. The man who personally engineered the Camp David Accords could never just unilaterally decide 'fuck it' let's bomb Tehran.

Think of it like this, - a well polished Tony Soprano as opposed to, well, Jimmy Carter.

MODER8 how did the hostage crisis prove Carter was not much of a leader???
What could some other president have done differently???

Bribed the hostage takers ala Reagan.

Apologized to the hostage takers ala bush and China.

Let the hostages die, ala Bush in Iraq.

Think of it like this, - a well polished Tony Soprano as opposed to, well, Jimmy Carter.

I'd take another Jimmy Carter any day. I'm hopeful that Obama will have his better qualities with some arm twisting ability for Congress.

NG: I am not sure if you are old enough to remember the crisis. If you do, you will remember the feeling of impotence which pervaded America at that time. Reagan just washed that all away. A lot of it did not have to do with "actions" per se, but rather perceptions.
In fact, now that I think of it, Reagan's entire legacy I believe is based on perception as opposed to actions.

If you weren't there, or don't remember, not much I can say.

Let the hostages die, ala Bush in Iraq.
Posted by northguy3

Link?

Danni, Carter had NO arm twisting ability with Congress. They regularly rejected his policy proposals. Looking back at it now, it seems unprecedented that any President could have been so ineffective in leading/controlling a Congress with his own Party in the majority.
Which is my whole point. He was not a LEADER.

By itself CAFE standards decreased the cost of ownership, hardly what you want. This increased both the utilization of the automobile, and the number of automobiles.

As it turns out our oil glut tripled in the next 25 years. What is comical about Carter and his so called revision of history is the fact he got just about everything he wanted in regards to his energy plan. The american people failed him by not listening. Don't forget who started the Iran embargo which is still in place today. How has that helped????

BTW... Before all the blame goes to the repubs here, don't forget who claimed there is no shortgae of oil and increased the ban on drilling at home.

As much as I admired Carter's positions, and abhorred Reagan's, I think Moder8 makes some good points. That's why charisma is an important thing in a politician. The ability to lead, to pull people together, to get them to think positively, to feel that it's "morning in America," is a potent force. Right now we have a president who not only is on the wrong side of most political issues, he also lacks the charisma to persuade doubters to trust him and feel good about America under him. He can't win people over, so he always looks like he's spinning his wheels. Of course, part of that is that he's utterly inarticulate.

Reagan may have been an empty suit, but he was a charismatic one.
;-)

may he burn in hell forever.

Posted by danni at 2008-07-16 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

....aw, the love of the drivel....

Don't see a lot of solar panels on the Carter Center. Or too many windmills on his spread in Plains.

But that's what happens when oil prices collapse, as they did immediately after his leaving office. Oil stayed down, thus discouraged investment in new oil reserves and infrastructure. It's hard to preach a message of conservation when gas prices are under $1.50, as they were for so many years. Plenty of liberals with their silly "Free Tibet" stickers driving SUV's around, no doubt who voted for Carter, and who no doubt ignored him for 30 years. As the rest of us have.

Carter has been insulted for all these years by the right wing liars, it probably feels good to him to be proven correct and Ronnie Raygun is now being seen as the opportunistic, immoral thug that he really was....may he burn in hell forever.

Posted by danni

Carter wasn't insulted for his energy proposal and RR didn't sell us down the shitter, congress did. It was they who closed all the US to further oil drilling.

Nice try anyhow.

Carter told the truth...Reagan told people what they wanted to hear.

That's why he was so popular.

odd and even plate number rationing was better than
these prices. carter was willing to plan ahead which didn't seem to wash at the time.

Carter was a pussy and still is. He was wringing his hands in the Rose Garden for a year while Iran held our hostages. Then he ordered an insufficient number of men on a failed mission. The Gipper and Col. North got our people out. Carter was also responsible for the 18% mortgage rates. His solution for the energy crisis would have forced everyone to drive around in golf carts and would havew set off a world wide trade war and a depression.

JIMMY CARTER WAS THE WORSY PRESIDENT WE EVER HAD!!!!

RIR -

As much as it pains those of us on the left to admit, I can't really argue with your 4:52 post.

I'm just thankful that FWThom finally stepped in with his detailed analysis.

Americans seem to think Carter is a loser. Go figure.

There is a difference between being perceived as weak as opposed to being a loser.

JIMMY CARTER WAS THE WORSY PRESIDENT WE EVER HAD!!!!

Posted by fwthom

Morons Who Shout!

You should write a book.

(You could have an adult assist you.)

Fwthom, i think reagan was worsyier than carter. but gwb is the worsyiest. (extra black letters and capitals.)

Americans seem to think Carter is a loser.

I would put him up against Reagan today!

Oh that's right. Reagan died drooling on himself unable to remember his own fucking name.

Now THAT'S justice.

"Oh that's right. Reagan died drooling on himself unable to remember his own fucking name."

Posted by Manypaths

FWThom doesn't have a monopoly on extra chromosomes, as evidenced by the post above.

3 months old but still somewhat ironic...

While the rest of the economy struggles through what is almost certainly a recession, the video game industry is not only surviving, but thriving. Sales of games and consoles are up 34 percent from last February, and even the eight-year-old PlayStation 2 is selling almost 20 percent more units than last year.

What might be more ironic is all the energy wasted from people who spend so much time on their computers and message boards.

Crispee_OC?

Did you live through a different history than I did?

Carter got import caps imposed?

Carter got CAFE standards increased?

Carter got his billions in transit improvements and alternative energy research?

Carter got what he wanted?

Cause I don't remember any of those things happening.

JIMMY CARTER WAS THE WORSY PRESIDENT WE EVER HAD!!!!

Posted by fwthom

Worsyier than GW? No way...Jimmy doesn't even get mentioned in this timetable...

2000: George W. Bush is elected (so they tell me) President of the United States. Bush and his family claim to be descendants of the House of Plantagenet which is descended from the Royal House of Judah.

Carter,

Vision, balance and more important than any other quality in a politician, HONEST.

Carter's Energy Warning Went Unheard

Oh well. Let's burn him at the stake, beatify him, and be done with it.

He has been proverbially burnt at the stake by all you short sighted right wingers. And among clear thinkers he already has been beatified. The most honest President in US history. Sadly, also one of the least effective.

The second oil crisis to grip the world was in 1979. The Iranian Revolution sparked existing fear and anxiety in the oil market, which resulted in the tripling of oil prices in the span of months. Oil prices reached over $70 per barrel in 2004 dollars. While there was never a overwhelming oil shortage, Iran represented one of the worlds largest oil producing states and memories of 1973 still lingered. American companies made impressive profits due to the spike in prices, while American consumers protested.
President Carter promoted increased conservation and according to some historians poorly dealt with the crisis in his infamous malaise speech,-- given on July 15, 1979. Carters policy was driven by fear of an abrupt end to the oil supply, but this was not supported by public opinions.

Sadly, also one of the least effective.

Posted by moder8

That is the truth!

Sadly, also one of the least effective.

What's the point of having a good idea to save the nation if even having the power of the president and having your party control both houses of congress you can't implement it?

Carter was a loser

Sadly, also one of the least effective.

Posted by moder8

well, post mortem isn't here yet for Jimmy. GW ~ it seems ~ is already dead in the heart center:>)

The world must stop standing idle while the people of Gaza are treated with such cruelty
By Jimmy Carter

Image Copyleft by Carlos Latuff
The world is witnessing a terrible human rights crime in Gaza, where a million and a half human beings are being imprisoned with almost no access to the outside world. An entire population is being brutally punished.

This gross mistreatment of the Palestinians in Gaza was escalated dramatically by Israel, with United States backing, after political candidates representing Hamas won a majority of seats in the Palestinian Authority parliament in 2006. The election was unanimously judged to be honest and fair by all international observers.

Israel and the US refused to accept the right of Palestinians to form a unity government with Hamas and Fatah and now, after internal strife, Hamas alone controls Gaza. Forty-one of the 43 victorious Hamas candidates who lived in the West Bank have been imprisoned by Israel, plus an additional 10 who assumed positions in the short-lived coalition cabinet.

Regardless of ones choice in the partisan struggle between Fatah and Hamas within occupied Palestine, we must remember that economic sanctions and restrictions on the supply of water, food, electricity and fuel are causing extreme hardship among the innocent people in Gaza, about one million of whom are refugees.

Israeli bombs and missiles periodically strike the area, causing high casualties among both militants and innocent women and children. Prior to the highly publicized killing of a woman and her four children last week, this pattern had been illustrated by a report from BTselem, the leading Israeli human rights organization, which stated that 106 Palestinians were killed between February 27 and March 3. Fifty-four of them were civilians, and 25 were under 18 years of age.

Carter was a loser

Posted by goatman

yet a winner in the areas of life where it matters in every which way:>)

It amazes me how many losers call Carter a "loser". Unlike the last several GOP presidents, he did not start any needless wars nor cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Which I guess, for people like Goatman, is the sign of being a "winner".

Unlike the last several GOP presidents,

*bong! bong! bong! bong!*

DEFLECTION ALERT! DEFLECTION ALERT!

As if there can only be one idiotic president in American history. What a sheeple

It amazes me how many losers call Carter a "loser". Unlike the last several GOP presidents, he did not start any needless wars nor cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Which I guess, for people like Goatman, is the sign of being a "winner".

Posted by moder8 at 2008-07-16 06:13 PM

It is hard to wonder what the Middle east would look like today had Carter showed the guts to do his job. His running from a blatant act of war with Iran. Of course his Camp David Accord is another example of his Middle East ignorance.

Which I guess, for people like Goatman, is the sign of being a "winner".

Which I guess for a graduate of buffalo bob's school of illogic is true.

M8, I have to admit, next to da bOoB, you come up with the most amusing leaps of logic of anyone on the DR :

"Bush was a loser, so Carter can't be"
"Goatman thinks Carter was a loser, therefore he must think Bush is a winner."

It's sad (for you, amusing for me) the democrat party has such a stranglehold on the thing you call a brain.

Funny how morons like Goatman denounce an apropos observation as a "deflection".

**** But you think Obama will do better than Toothy, when he's made in the same mold. You poor fool.

Posted by cookfish *****

.......the choice is not between Obama and Toothy......

.......but Obama and Poopypants........

......and yes......Obama will do much better than Poopy.......

.......either Poopypants is out to break an Olympic flip-flop record, or he is suffering from senility......

Funny how morons like Goatman denounce an apropos observation as a "deflection".

"apropos observation"? LOL! What does Bush's job ratings have to do with Carter's? A: NOTHING! -- especially since he hit the scene 20 years later. Therefore it is a deflection. Are you really that much out of control of your higher brain functions?

See if you can bet that sheeple chip removed from your brain. Or at least have an inhibitor installed that keeps your fingers from the keyboard at the appropriate times. You just keep making yourself look more and more iditotic

"See if you can get that sheeple chip removed from your brain."
-----------------------

Hey GOAT - Ya got THAT right Bub! Libs are in lockstep!

FACT!

Hey GOAT - Ya got THAT right Bub! Libs are in lockstep!

FACT!

Posted by James_Dead

GW is worsyiest prez ever!

FAK!

BACK ON TOPIC:

BOTTOM LINE: Carter's Energy Warning Went Unheard by pretty much everybody: Congress, Big Oil, subsequent Presidenst of both parties, the American People. Pretty much everybody. Case closed. Move along.

"GW is worsyiest prez ever!

FAK!"
-----------------
WRONG!

FACT!

FACTOLA!

the best thing to come out of the carter era was billy beer,ole billy wasen't sitting in a pew on sundays he was sitting on a bar stool,now there was a great carter.

.......I remember the Congressional hearings on the Iran-Contra Affair, they were televised at the time......

.......and it became clear that Reagan and his cronies had actually traded South American drugs to the Iranian Iatollahs for guns for an illegal war in Nicaragua......

........and Ollie North and a few others went to jail for their crimes.....Reagan just sat at the desk repeating "I don't remember, I don't remember".....it was clear that his Alzheimer's was advancing and he was really just a shell of a man........

......that's the image that has always stayed with me....of a man who would have gone to jail, but that the Alzheimers made the prosecution a moot point......

.......so whenever the raging right harkens back to halcyon days of the Reagan administration....I always wonder....how could they have forgotten that this man was one disease away from being a convicted criminal.?.....

"GW is worsyiest prez ever!

FAK!"
-----------------
WRONG!

FACT!

FACTOLA!

Posted by James_Dead

more FAK Bin's here:>)

.......so whenever the raging right harkens back to halcyon days of the Reagan administration....I always wonder....how could they have forgotten that this man was one disease away from being a convicted criminal.?.....

Posted by skizziks

ff that was a Sinclair moment for sure:>)

His solution for the energy crisis would have forced everyone to drive around in golf carts and would have set off a world wide trade war and a depression.

JIMMY CARTER WAS THE WORSY PRESIDENT WE EVER HAD!!!!

Posted by fwthom

Sounds like Carter failed at this policy and Bush suceeded!!!!

Jimmy Carter is the only President to garner a Peace pact between an Arab Country (EGYPT) AN (ISRAEL) no other President has done so well.

Jimmy carter warned this nation about the coming Oil crisis but in our infinate wisdom, America refused to listen. President Carter had Solar Panels installed in the White House, it stayed there until Ronald Reagan, that dumb fuck, had them removed.....

Jimmy Carter, or Reagan or Nixon or The Bushes, I'll take Jimmy every day of the weeK.....FUCK All you right wing assholes, AMERICA FIRST ....

It amazes me how many losers call Carter a "loser". Unlike the last several GOP presidents, he did not start any needless wars nor cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Posted by moder8

You look at history through your cloudy brown eyes and I'll look through my cleae blue eyes. What happened in Iran changed the whole world. It gave the radical clerics a grip on the people in the middle east and Prussia.

Carter was a terrible president. He may have been a good, honest man but a terrible president.

Sniper-
re: "What happened in Iran changed the whole world. It gave the radical clerics a grip on the people in the middle east and Prussia."

So, you think the problem was NOT overthrowing the democratically elected gov't of Iran in 1953 and installing a puppet dictator who brutally stamped out any and all democratic opposition, leaving only fundamentalist religion as a form of rebellion against a propped up US/Western ruler, but rather the fact that Carter didn't invade/bomb Iran to install ANOTHER puppet when these Islamists we created by destroying the last hint of organized democratic society in Iran predictably rebelled?

I'd truly enjoy any further thoughts you may have on this subject.

So you don't think Komeni changed the world? SHIT!!!!

BWWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!!!!
!!!!!!

ROFLMAO!!!

Both Carter and Gore/Clinton have had their days!

But, let's talk about the genius Algore... He was barking up the same "energy" tree in the 90's and what was accomplished? Zilch, Zero, Nada. His boss vetoed the off-shore drilling plans laid out by Republicans in Congress. Now the Democraps in Congress say no to drilling because it will take 10 years... What GOOFS! If Clinton hadn't vetoed the bill, we would not be in this level of crisis today. (We all know that plenty of oil can come online within 2 to 3 years, so don't believe the Democraps current-talking-point lie!)

Mr. Peanut was, is, and will forever be nothing more than a DOPE and a HYPOCRIT with respect to his policies...same for Algore!

Hey Fwthom:
Try posting everything in caps ALL the time, and add even more exclamation points. Then, you and Jimmy_Dean can have your own Brokeback moment.

Too bad Carter ddn't warn us about radical Islam ... but today we hafta fight a frontless war because he was such a lame-dick in 1979

Too bad Carter didn't let North Korea collapse, but stuck his nose into it and forced President Clinton to prop up a dictator. Too bad that only a few million people have since starved to death because of it.

Too bad that Carter dicked around in Palestine and made sure the war will not end.

So far Carter is responsible for at least 20 million deaths -- putting him close to Hitler and Stalin. Too bad he won't just shut the fuck up and go away

he did not start any needless wars nor cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Which I guess, for people like Goatman, is the sign of being a "winner".

Posted by moder8 at 2008-07-16 06:13 PM | Reply

Because of Carter we now face the "war on terror."

How many lives?

Because of Carter at least 3 million have starved to death in North Korea

It goes on and on

Carter fought against offshore drilling, refineries and domestic development. He fought coal mining, etc. and made it painfully unprofitable to develop domestic energy.

Yes, Carter was a fucking genius. Thanks to Carter we import natural gas instead of drilling in the Gulf.

Since everyone knows that Obama is running for Jimmy Carter's second term, this piece is all about trying to reconstruct the immage of Carter the asshole loser who WAS THE WORSE PRESIDENT WE EVER HAD!!!!

Jimmy Carter is the only President to garner a Peace pact between an Arab Country (EGYPT) AN (ISRAEL) no other President has done so well.

And the only president until Bush 43 to be indirectly responsible for a head of state from the ME (Anwar Sadat). At least Saddam was evil and deserved to die. Not Sadat, however.

"None of which were caused by him and no other president could have done any better"

Carter? OK!!!! Please remember that when you blame Bush.

Carter fought against offshore drilling, refineries and domestic development. He fought coal mining, etc. and made it painfully unprofitable to develop domestic energy.

Yes, Carter was a fucking genius. Thanks to Carter we import natural gas instead of drilling in the Gulf.

Posted by vernon at 2008-07-16 10:13 PM | Reply

I must have missed your link. I know it's around here somewhere.

"What happened in Iran changed the whole world. It gave the radical clerics a grip on the people in the middle east and Prussia.

Carter was a terrible president. He may have been a good, honest man but a terrible president."

Posted by Sniper at 2008-07-16 08:49 PM | Reply

Carter had nothing to do with what happened in Iran. The Shah was an asshole who tortured people and stole their wealth. The people of Iran changed Iran--not Jimmy Carter.

Carter inherited the inflation problems, and while he initially focused on unemployment as the solution to inflation, he eventually focused on other solutions to the inflation problem. Still,Carter got us back on track financially after 12 years of bloated spending on the military, and got blamed for the high inflation rates when it was his programs carried out by Reagan that got us sound again financially. Carters plan fixed the inflation from the Johnson/Nixon/Ford years and Reagan took the credit for it while he slept through cabinet meetings.

Why didn't anyone listen 29 years ago? Because the global elite have an agenda. See here:

Carter had nothing to do with what happened in Iran.

Give it a rest, bOoB. If Carter was Republican, you would be screaming from the rooftops the hostage crisis was his fault and you know it.

Carter fucked up big time. He should've done a Kennedy and said "you have 24 hours to release them. If you don't, your country will be a glass parking lot. Yes, we will lose 55 people. You will lose 55,000 minimum

Then 24 hours later, send in the cavalry if those innocent folks were not on a plane heading west.

Goatman-
re: "Carter fucked up big time. He should've done a Kennedy and said "you have 24 hours to release them. If you don't, your country will be a glass parking lot. Yes, we will lose 55 people. You will lose 55,000 minimum"

And then if they didn't comply?

And then if they didn't comply

???

You made it through the first two paragraphs of my post. Go back up and read the third.

No. I meant after you killed 55,000. Should we just stop there? what if they still had a few hostages?

(you do know that Kennedy pulled our missiles out of Turkey, right, and that the movie you watched was fiction?)

"Then 24 hours later, send in the cavalry if those innocent folks were not on a plane heading west."

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-17 12:09 AM

Pretty fast with other peoples lives there Hopalong. So the Hostages are killed when the cavalry lands and the terrorists fade away--then what Super Genius?

Jeff-
I get it. You wanted Carter to appear to be the bully you wanted him to be while doing something smart and effective behind the scenes that didn't get a lot of people killed. Like JFK.

Pretty fast with other peoples lives there Hopalong.

That's more time than it took Roosevelt to declare war after Pearl Harbor.

"but, but, but -- he was a democrat. That's different.

da bOoB"

No. I meant after you killed 55,000. Should we just stop there? what if they still had a few hostages?

You continue striking until they are all released. Again, read my post. There is no double speak there. It is quite clear.

Dang. How did I confuse Jeff and Goatman?

I'd apologize, but I'm not sure to whom.

(you do know that Kennedy pulled our missiles out of Turkey, right, and that the movie you watched was fiction?)

I am aware of the outcome of the Cuba missle crisis, but I am unaware of the movie you are speaking of.

then what Super Genius?

???

Life goes on, super genius.

You wanted Carter to appear to be the bully

I am kicked in the teeth in my own yard and I retaliate, but you think I am the bully?

LOL. You're a pussy

I'm always amazed at how glib armchair warriors are about the disposal of others lives.

You should be an opinion columnist, Jeff.

"I am kicked in the teeth in my own yard and I retaliate, but you think I am the bully?"

Um, Iran wasn't really ever your "own yard", but whatever.

Sorry to stray, but I think Carter's good name is again being dragged thru the mud even today is wholly attributed to the Jew-run media, ADL, JDL, Bnai Brith and any other Jewish organization. Ever since JC came out with his book about the atrocities to the Palestinians from the Israelis these media outlets have made it routine to bring up JC's run of bad luck as president to make him look incompetant.

I'm always amazed at how glib armchair warriors are about the disposal of others lives.

I'm always amazed at how willing some Americans are to engage in total submission when his homeland is attacked. "Yes, Mr. nice guy Iranian. You can keep those hostages as long as you want. Do you want my girlfriend, too? I'll send her over. Anything else you need? May I lick your boots while I'm down here groveling at your feet?"

You should be an opinion columnist, Jeff.

The name is goatman. You fuck up my name twice in two posts. No wonder you can't reason well on common sense issues. Something isn't right with your brain.

Goatman-
re:
"I am aware of the outcome of the Cuba missle crisis, but I am unaware of the movie you are speaking of."

This one:

'Carter fucked up big time. He should've done a Kennedy and said "you have 24 hours to release them. If you don't, your country will be a glass parking lot. Yes, we will lose 55 people. You will lose 55,000 minimum"'

What movie was that?

Um, Iran wasn't really ever your "own yard", but whatever.

Um, embassies are considered to be and extension of the country they represent. To attack an embassy is to attack that country's mainland. But whatever.

Righto-
sorry. Bush apologist the second. NOT JEFF! GOATMAN!

got it. maybe.

What movie was that?

I said I do not know what movie your are talking about. I still don't. I guess I lost all I bet on final Jeopardy, huh?

It's humorous to see hate dispensed like individual salt portions.

Each in its tidy package; sanitized and rationed for personal consumption.

Everyone likes blood, but no one wants to get bloody.

"To attack an embassy is to attack that country's mainland. But whatever."

Yeah. and to destabilize and overthrow a democratically elected gov't (Iran, 1953) and install a client is generally considered an act of war. But whatever, they have oil, and you like your yellow ribbon magnet.

It's humorous to see hate dispensed like individual salt portions.

Each in its tidy package; sanitized and rationed for personal consumption.

I love that simile! And it is so true.

What movie was that?

"Thirteen Days in October"

Goatman-

'Carter fucked up big time. He should've done a Kennedy and said "you have 24 hours to release them. If you don't, your country will be a glass parking lot. Yes, we will lose 55 people. You will lose 55,000 minimum"'

It's your movie, dude. I never saw it, although I do recognize it as fiction.

A proper hunter knows how to gut their prey.

Yeah. and to destabilize and overthrow a democratically elected gov't (Iran, 1953) and install a client is generally considered an act of war.

If you are right they should've declared it. I've no problem with that.

It's your movie, dude. I never saw it, although I do recognize it as fiction.

What the fuck to you keep harping on this movie for, now even saying it is mine? I've never heard of it, seen it, much less own it.

Do you have a point here, or have you had too many tonight? (which might explain why you keep thinking I am Jeff)

I have no problem with you having some basic historical facts at your disposal, so get right on that.

Until then, I'll see ya in the movies.

Until then, I'll see ya in the movies.

Only if you rent at least one of the right two. And they are old ones.

Goatman-
OK. What fictional account did you get this from:

He should've done a Kennedy and said "you have 24 hours to release them. If you don't, your country will be a glass parking lot. Yes, we will lose 55 people. You will lose 55,000 minimum"'

When (in what dream/movie/fiction of yours) did Kennedy actually do that?

Pretty fast with other peoples lives there Hopalong.

That's more time than it took Roosevelt to declare war after Pearl Harbor.

"but, but, but -- he was a democrat. That's different.

da bOoB"

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-17 12:27 AM | Reply

Actually, Pearl Harbor was attacked by an army, and the Iranian hostages were taken by college students. See any difference there DuMmY? The attack on Pearl Harbor resulted in massive damage and the loss of many lives, and no one was hurt in the Hostage take over. See any difference there dUmmY?

So with your plan--55 hostages die and we have a boatload of combat troops with nobody to kill. I think Carters plan was better. He got them out alive.

When (in what dream/movie/fiction of yours) did Kennedy actually do that?

Fuck, you are dense. Put down the bottle before you try to understand.

Kennedy told Krushchev in their famous 1961 meeting, "Then Mr. Chairman, there will be war" (or something very close to that)

I was suggesting that Carter should've said, "Then Mr. Khomeni, there will be war"

Get it?

Actually, Pearl Harbor was attacked by an army, and the Iranian hostages were taken by college students.

I'll finish the sentence for you, bOoB since you were either too stupid to, or are being deliberately dishonest about the situation.

"...under the support of their government."

Makes a bit of the difference when you tell the whole truth, doesn't it, bOoB.

BTW, I'm curious -- was it stupidity or dishonesty that prevented you from taking your version out of context?

I think Carters plan was better.

Yeah, if you want the world to think that Americans are spineless pussies who will do nothing when you illegally hold their citizens hostage for a year and a half, Carter was a fucking genius.

Unleash Hell.