Doesn't that just take the cake?

The idiocy of our own regime in the WH never ceases to baffle the mind.

That war on drugs is certainly working, eh?
Poppy production in afghanistan is up.

Some taliban were brought to america to iron out a pipeline deal. 9-11 was the answer...

ALEX

Isn't it ironic that the Bush Administration cared more about the 'War on Drugs' than eliminating the Taliban?

They don't seem to care about poppy production one iota now. They could have sprayed those fields over and over, but haven't. And the profits go to the Taliban no less.

Unfuckingbelieveable

Not that we should forget the Bush Administration were warned about Bin Laden and yet chose to reward his hosts, The Taliban.

Their level of incompetence and double talk is more than my brain can process. There's just too many incredibly stupid things they've done to even keep track anymore.

Our tax money probably helped fund the 9-11 hijackers and arm the Taliban in Afghanistan.
I can take reading any more of this idiot's mistakes.
I'm going to bed. Good night all.

Night, CHRIS

It does boggle the mind, doesn't it?

AU

On the surface it looks like the conspiracy theorists who believe that the Bush administration was behind the attack on 9-11 may have some credibility.

It does stagger the mind that Bush would funnel $43 Million through the Taliban to Osama bin Laden to fund an attack on our own country.

Yet, the coincidence is unmistakable.

$43 Million in May 2001?

An attack in September 2001?

It's hard to believe that a born American could be so mentally dearranged but I've come to the conclusion that it's probably true.

Some people seem to have forgotten that when bin Laden took responsibility for the 9-11 attack, he said he wanted to destroy the U.S. economy. George Bush seems to have taken up where bin Laden left off.

I just don't think that everything that's been happening to our economy during the Bush administration is a matter of poor management.

I think it's deliberate. I think it's on purpose. I think they're stepping up the tempo. I think they'd like to use a succession of puppet presidents to continue with the destruction of the #1 threat to their success ~ the United States of America.

TWIN

This has to be considered a crime. I mean, with the hunt for Bin Laden supposedly going on in the WH - who knew full well after being warned by Richard Clarke that Bin Laden was there and training Al Qaeda - you'd think SOMEONE would have said, "No, we shouldn't be giving them money. They're not our friends". But, no.

This, coupled with Bush removing the destroyers and subs with cruise missiles within range to strike Bin Laden, and the fact he wasn't really pursued or caught by now, leads one to conclude that perhaps they WERE in collusion with Bin Laden, and perhaps even encouraged the attacks so they could further their agenda of war and dominance.

I mean, after this no other conclusion makes any sense.

Also the fact they shut down the Bin Laden desk Clarke had set up to put Plame on the hunt for something, anything to use to go to war with Iraq.

There's also the "I don't really think about him much anymore" from Bush about Bin Laden.

And Bush not heightening the security at airports after being warned URGENTLY by the CIA that an attack with airplanes was imminent.

Perhaps the guys who've been saying it was a conspiracy were right. Too many things like this just don't add up. This is certainly a smoking gun that stinks to high heaven.

Giving money to the Taliban as they harbor Bin Laden - who we're supposedly hunting, and who's activities we are well aware of?

Good God!

I can't wait to see how the right wing idiots spin THIS one!

Come on righties! Spin this one. Come on now.

THIS is your friggin' hero George W Bush. THIS is your GOP White House.

Please give us ONE good reason why this was a good idea with Bin Laden and the Taliban bent on our destruction.

Tell us why the poppy fields have not been destroyed in the 6 1/2 years we've BEEN there.

You can't!! Bush is an idiot and you voted for him.

Take ownership. Come on you right wing pussies.

AU

When I hear people say that Bush must be keeping America safe because there haven't been any more attacks in this country, I nearly laugh out loud.

There haven't been any more attacks because George Bush hasn't asked for any. I honestly believe that.

I also honestly believe that John McCain is in league with the neo-con's plans for a succession of puppet presidents. Maybe he's not totally in the loop, but he's more than willing to take his orders and ignore his misgivings.

If ever a country needed an idealist like Barack Obama, now is it. I don't know how much he is aware of what's going on ~ probably a lot that he isn't saying. It's because of that I applaud him for having the enormous courage to confront the autrocity that's being waged against this country by those who falsly attest to serve her.

RCADE

This story should be front and center.

Take my name off of it if you want to. I could care less about credit.

The right wing Bush supporters should see what their hero was up to.

It needs to be in their face.

TWIN

And yet the right wing idiots bash Obama right and left, yet refuse to acknowledge the incredible swath of misdeeds, missteps, and mistakes the Bush administration has taken.

Bush and the rest of that gang are obvious criminals.

Watch how few right wing idiots will even bother to post. They refuse to admit how corrupt their hero is.

To the Rushbots it's always THEM! (meaning Democrats)

Obama makes Bush look like a stink bug in comparison.

We need an honest patriot like Obama or I really worry about our country.

AU

The war I worry about is the one that's being incrementally waged right here within our own borders, by our own government. Sad as it is to say, apathy reigns and warnings fall on deaf ears. They won't ever hear the shot that kills them.

The right wingers don't seem to realise that a rising tide lifts all ships. Yes, even those who so blithly mouth off derogatory unfounded accusations against a courageous man who is trying to save them.

The more I think about Obama and what he's trying to do, the more I am aware of what tremendous courage he must have to single handedly look the neo-cons in the eye and battle them on their own turf.

It isn't just the party he has to save any more. It's the whole damn country. God bless him. I hope he makes it.

They're all insane.

Rush and Hannity must be pumping subliminal messages during their broadcasts.

"They're all insane." - AU

That's an overstatement but I know what you mean.

It's just the wrong place for any serious poster to make a difference. For that I think you'd have to use your inestimable skills some place where posters have some knowledge beyond the Sunday funnies.

I have a lot of respect for the more intelligent among us but, as you can see, we're outnumbered by the great unwashed.

Forget FUBAR, I'm going with FUBARB (Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition by Bush). This guy's motto has got to be "Asleep at the swtich."

Unbelievable.

When Taliban reps visited Texas to discuss a possible pipeline deal

How did America ever elect this administration of crooks and incompetents?

T & C

Beer, bar-b-q, boots, buckle and bullshit.

And Diebold, but that doesn't start with a B.

The Rushbots are avoiding this thread like the plague.

There's no plausible way they can blame Obama or deflect Bush's idiotic actions.

Isn't it ironic that the Bush Administration cared more about the 'War on Drugs' than eliminating the Taliban?

The Taliban? You meant Al Qaeda right? Or are you distorting history again?

RCADE

This story should be front and center.

Sorry AU, no it shouldn't. All you've done is discover what many of us have known for YEARS! This isn't new and neither are all the reports proving that Russia, Germany, Israel, and France all told our government about the impending attacks coming on 9/11/2001 before they occurred.

All you're doing is setting yourself up to be placed into the conspiracy column which is the ignorant's way for dealing with information they don't want to or can't bring themselves to believe.

The invasion of Afghanistan was threatened in July of 2001 for October if the Taliban wouldn't recuse their oil pipeline deal with Bristas and sign with a US-preferred, UNOCAL consortium instead. Why do you think the Cheney energy meetings remain secret? Both Iraq and Afghanistan were central to the planning done behind closed doors. Why do you think Musharaff reported in his own biography that the US offered to blow Pakistan "back to the stone ages" if it didn't comply with our wishes regarding Afghanistan?

All this information is just a click away if you want to find it, but it isn't new or revelatory whatsoever. Its simply what it always has been.

TONY

As much as I read and dig for the skinny this is the first time I saw it. If I didn't know about it a lot of others didn't as well.

So what if it isn't new? In THIS case - handing money to the Taliban hosting Bin Laden - I disagree with you.

At some point in time, you have to put 2+2 together and come up with what really happened.

1) Bush needed a shock to the american public so he could scare american into believing we had an imminent threat, then invade Iraq and get at those oil fields.

2) Al Queerdo needed some cash to put in motion the plans that they wanted to do for a long time - attack american intersts and make it hurt.

3) So you pump money into the group under the guise of stamping out drugs. it is incidental that no drugs were ever stamped out.

4) Then the hijackers were given a free (unscrutinized) ride into america and when they hyjacked the planes our air defence happened to be on war-game maneuvors, under cheneys direction.

How much more evidence do you need to know that 911 was paid for and planned by our own government.

I remember you guys - on year ago saying I was a whacko for believing it was an inside job. I may be a whacko but I was right about it being an indide job.

TONY

AU is right. I didn't know about it and I thought I'd read everything. Apparently not so I'm grateful to AU for calling this up . . . especially now since, in hindsight, it helps to connect some heretofore scattered dots.

If this is a repeat, so what. The evidence of Bush's involvement (which I believe) needs to be reinforced.

People have a tendacy to forget what happened last month. This happened in 2001 so it's high time it was put up for another look.

AU has my thanks.

4) Then the hijackers were given a free (unscrutinized) ride into america and when they hyjacked the planes our air defence happened to be on war-game maneuvors, under cheneys direction.

Um... a lot of the hijackers were in America before Bush or anyone from the dreaded PNAC ever got near the White House...

All you fucking conspiracy wackjobs are fucking insane... make sure you give AU a nice big welcome to the group.

Seems to me that anyone but Bush would be sent to Guantanamo for waterboarding about this. We don't even send architects of the Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004 vote thefts there. herm

Seems to me that anyone but Bush would be sent to Guantanamo for waterboarding about this. We don't even send architects of the Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004 vote thefts there. herm

Rob, master of ignoring the obvious.

Come on rob, throw your boy under the bus, you are smart enough to figure it out (i think).

I'm sorry, try as I might, I can't make myself stupid enough to think like someone who actually believes 9/11 was an inside job.

Why don't you just go ahead and tell us all how Bush and Cheney got the hijackers into the country before they were Pres and Vice Pres respectively...

Then if you can, maybe you can tell me how they've managed to keep the hundreds if not thousands of people who would have known about it quiet all these years...

Then after your done with bullshit non-answers to the past 2 questions, maybe you could tell me why the people who worked in the Towers and WTC 7 didn't say anything to oh I don't know, the cops, when demolition teams were lining their buildings with explosives...

Anyone who thinks the September 11 attacks was an inside job should be thrown off a boat 50 miles off shore... Wearing a bathing suit made of mackrel...

John McCain said in his speech today that as President he would capture and bring Osama bin Laden to justice ~ Guaranteed!

I have a feeling that ol' Osama was taking careful note of what happened to Saddam Hussein and there isn't a ghost of a chance he's going to let himself get caught.

By "justice" I think McCain meant: Dead men don't talk.

ROB

Go back to changing diapers, or find someone else to be obnoxious with.

"John McCain said in his speech today that as President he would capture and bring Osama bin Laden to justice ~ Guaranteed!"

2nd verse, same as the first.

How long did it take George Bush to go from "we'll get him dead or alive", to "I don't really think about him all that much"?

SAN

The same amount of time it will take John McCain to say the same thing.

Probably less since he'd be a one-termer.

How long did it take George Bush to go from "we'll get him dead or alive", to "I don't really think about him all that much"?

SANANTONIOROGUE

I'm gonna guess. 2 years?

A much shorter time than it took John McCain from deriding Clinton for troops in Somalia (who Bush 41 put there promising while promising to have them out by Clinton's presidency), saying the U.S. shouldn't be engaged in "nation building", and calling for a precipitous withdrawal - within weeks.

Hmmm So, John, let me see if I have this right:

You were against everything America's involvement in Iraq is now in 1993 over Somalia, were saying we could remove 25,000 troops in weeks, but you are for staying in Iraq for 100 years, and don't see how we could remove 6 times that many troops in 16 months?

Man this guy's flip flopped on everything.

McCain should have discovered the internet. He'd know his words didn't go away. Easily found.

Go back to changing diapers, or find someone else to be obnoxious with.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

You keep bringing my family into things to excuse your lies or as a way to deflect, and I'm gonna bring your family situation back into it as well and watch you cry...

And just like before this time will be your fault as well, so don't whine about it when it happens...

McCain should have discovered the internet. He'd know his words didn't go away. Easily found.

Glad he/they didn't... it is one reason they will lose the White House... they are so out of touch with reality it is not even funny any more.

ROB

Go back to changing diapers, or find someone else to be obnoxious with.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-07-15 02:11 PM

awwwwww did Mr Poopypants Jr make a mess in his drawers again?

This is old old news--

20/20 hindsight is precious that is for sure.

I think this was also covered in the 9/11 Commission report/book.

I think this was also covered in the 9/11 Commission report/book.

Nope.

In THIS case - handing money to the Taliban hosting Bin Laden - I disagree with you.

I'm not deriding anyone for finding out what they should have known all along. My sensitivity stems from the fact that for years certain posters have made a cottage industry in mocking myself, Buffalo Bob and anyone else with the common sense vision of seeing what has always been right before our eyes. Google the "Taliban in Texas" and see what you find. Yes, they visited Texas in the late 90's and yes, the Bush government gave them $43 million largely for their efforts in stemming the flow of heroin out of the country, and yes, the major news organizations reported it as these things happened. Few bothered to pay attention or to go back and draw connections after 9/11.

But the real story has always been the connection between oil and both our wars that most are still wholly ignorant of. Once you understand this, then 9/11 makes all the sense in the world from the standpoint of the neo-con's own predictions: "We need a 'Pearl Harbor' type of event in order to bring about the foreign policy changes which will secure America's role as the sole superpower in the 21st Century." How's that turning out?

If you need a roadmap, read this:

The Surreal Politics of Premeditated War
by R.W. Behan, 12/03/2006

Then after your done with bullshit non-answers to the past 2 questions, maybe you could tell me why the people who worked in the Towers and WTC 7 didn't say anything to oh I don't know, the cops, when demolition teams were lining their buildings with explosives...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

I'm not looking to pick a fight with my fellow papa, but.... asbestos abatement.

Larry Silverstein is the New York property tycoon who purchased the entire WTC complex just 6 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had EVER changed ownership.

It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem.

none are so blind as those who refuse to see

I'm sorry, try as I might, I can't make myself stupid enough to think like someone who actually believes 9/11 was an inside job.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

probably because you are paid to suggest otherwise?:>)


AIPAC Report Reveals Long History of Activities Harmful to US

I'm not looking to pick a fight with my fellow papa, but.... asbestos abatement.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Interesting... at least its something... I'd still be a little curious though if I worked in the building, why they were packing sandbags and other things around all the support columns of the building... Also, once it fell, I'd probably start talking about all that stuff... loudly...

if the Taliban wouldn't recuse their oil pipeline deal with Bristas and sign with a US-preferred, UNOCAL consortium instead.

And the UNOCAL representative at the talks? We know him now as President Karsai.
The first law signed by his government? Approving the pipeline.

Or as Rob would put it, just a really really big coincidence.

Interesting... at least its something... I'd still be a little curious though if I worked in the building, why they were packing sandbags and other things around all the support columns of the building... Also, once it fell, I'd probably start talking about all that stuff... loudly...

Well, another very big coincedence is the fact that Marvin Bush and Kuwaitis controlled the security company Securacom that was in charge of security of the buildings.. IF the buildings were demolished, I certainly doubt they rigged it during business hours..

Rob,

go dig up the interviews with people that were standing on the ground close to the building (and there are 2 separate live news broadcasts) that clearly show a very large explosion (in the basement) right before the buildings fall. one on each building. then an explosion on building seven and it fell, it wasn't even damaged.

See, my problem is that I am an engineer and I base my opinions not on emotions or misguided party loyalty but on scientific facts.

The largest fact of all is that when a building pancakes, it does not freefall, one floor hits another slows, buckles the steel, falls and hits another floor, buckles the steel etc.. and it is estimated by every single architect and engineer that it would have taken over 45 seconds for the building to pancake.

The bulding could have pancaked but it would have taken a long time to fall.

the building dropped in a freefall (look at the live videos and calculate it for yourself), and that can only happen when the legs are knocked out from under it.

*********************

And while you are at it, look at the pentagon and the hole in the ground in pennsyvania and tell me what the fuck happened to all the debris that would normally come from a large airliner crash.

And why it was so important for the FBI to run around DC, confiscating all the videos taken during the time of the 'attack'.

And while you are at it, look at the pentagon and the hole in the ground in pennsyvania and tell me what the fuck happened to all the debris that would normally come from a large airliner crash.

Now this I've actually looked into... first there is debris in and around the pentagon, but you can go to youtube and look up a crash test of an F-4 being slammed into a concrete slab. There is literally nothing left of it. Just like in this case, two planes being slammed into the ground at top speeds aren't going to leave a lot of wreckage.

See, my problem is that I am an engineer

Which of course makes you an expert on this exact situation...

here's the thing big guy... Why would the gov't go to all this trouble to attack its own nation, but leave such gaping holes in the story? Further, why would they even blow up the buildings?!?!?! After the two jets crashed into them, and caused such massive fires, they would have had to have been taken down anyways... there was no fixing what happened to them. And further, on top of all that, let's say they could have been fixed... Why then go to the trouble of the jets in the first place?!?! Why not use trucks packed full of explosives and knock them down from the base...

Have buildings constructed in the same way as the Towers were ever been hit by two fuel packed jetliners and then collapsed before? No. So how can you say you know how they should have collapsed?

Of course you won't answer any of those questions... just like all 9/11 conspiracy theorists...

Here's that F-4 crash test btw

Why did WTC 7 fall?

Three buildings pancaked without demolition.

"So how can you say you know how they should have collapsed?"

How can you say that it is believeable three buildings collasped into their footprint, without demolition, due to two planes crashing?

I still remember the reporter saying WTC7 collapsed before it did.

How can you say that it is believeable three buildings collasped into their footprint, without demolition, due to two planes crashing?

Because its the only answer that actually makes sense.

If it were some grand government conspiracy with the goal of destroying the buildings, then they would have just destroyed the buildings and ignored the silly plane angle... They would have just had three trucks pull up to the buildings and blow them straight to hell...

lining them with explosives, then crashing planes into them, then detonating the explosives doesn't make any sense.

I agree it doesn't make sense.

Neither does three buildings falling into their footprints without controlled demolition.

The free-fall rate is another issue that is a valid argument. How could that have occurred in all three buildings? The gov't's story doesn't agree with science on this.

One plane hits a tower, it free-falls into its footprint.
Unbelieveable, but possible.

A second plane hits another tower, it free-falls into its footprint.
Unbelieveable, possible, but two in a row? That's stretching believeability.

A third building falls without being struck by a plane, free falls into its footprint.
Unbelieveable, beyond the greatest of odds, and the news reported it fell before it did.

History of falling buildings into their footprint without deliberate assistance: how many?

One plane hits a tower, it free-falls into its footprint.
Unbelieveable, but possible.

A second plane hits another tower, it free-falls into its footprint.
Unbelieveable, possible, but two in a row? That's stretching believeability.

A third building falls without being struck by a plane, free falls into its footprint.
Unbelieveable, beyond the greatest of odds, and the news reported it fell before it did.

History of falling buildings into their footprint without deliberate assistance: how many

SIMPLE ANSWER...BORING ONE TOO...NOT AS FUN AS A CONSPIRACY THEORY ANSWER

LOOK ON HOW THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED...AND YOU WILL FIND YOUR ANSWER....I CALL IT THE CRUSHED CAN THEORY

Have buildings constructed in the same way as the Towers were ever been hit by two fuel packed jetliners and then collapsed before? No. So how can you say you know how they should have collapsed?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-07-16 12:23 PM

Of course you won't answer any of those questions... just like all 9/11 conspiracy theorists...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-07-16 12:24 PM

A classic paid debunker trick...1 minute later the paid debunker claims 911 freaks won't answer the questions ~ lol

History of falling buildings into their footprint without deliberate assistance: how many?

Posted by Petrous

tower of babel?