If not for the ecomony the illegal immigration issue would be higher profile.

Hats off to this Nebraska town for taking control when the feds have been lax.

Any DR lawyers care to comment on this proposed law's legality?

Oohrah-
It's because the economy is in the tank that someone must be to blame, someone you can actually lay a glove on, so why not the spics, eh?

BET-
By your comments can I correctly assume you're in favor of sanctuary cities? If so, why? If not, why?

Are you contending this problem of the federal government turning a blind eye to illegal immigration is new? Surely not.

In reality, the illegal immigration issue's been in the news prior to the economy going downhill in the past year or two. I'm sure CALIFCHRIS can document this more exhaustively than I can.

All I'm saying is the obvious. It's predictable that in tight economic times, with uncertainty and fear, we'll turn on the janitors, day laborers, nannies, cooks, and roofers. It's the easy hate, and only requires a brain stem.

I have no trouble with people who were born south of Texas coming here, why is it though that every other nationality is forced to assimilate but they get a free pass? When people from Korea, Germany, Sri Lanka, Kenya, anywhere else move here it takes one generation and they are Americans. People who were born south of Texas are allowed to remain people from south of Texas untill they decide to go back. Ever seen "Mandarin" as an option on an ATM? Why is that?

BET-
I don't think it's as obvious as you do. To the contrary, my take is that during tight times we (as the have nots) tend to turn against the "have's" in our society. As though they don't deserve to be doing well or some such drivel. Corporate America get trashed even moreso than during boom times.

Are you in favor of sanctuary cities? Why or why not? Your "spics" reference tells me you disagree with what Fremont's trying to do. Do you support Fremont's effort?

We are a nation of laws. Most of us are law abiding people. At some point, when the feds won't do their job, cities/states feel compelled to act in their interests. Is this wrong?

Lots of German spoken in Texas.

"Ever seen "Mandarin" as an option on an ATM? Why is that?"

Because China is not on our southern border.

Oorah-
I guess on a visceral level there are those who, when in a corner, challenge the strong who keep them there. And then there are those who go after the weak for whatever morsels they might have, while ingratiating themselves to their "betters". I suppose it's a test of character of a sort.

Watch a pack of dogs on any given day.

I live in Ohio, Canada isn't too far north of me and I've never seen "French" as an option on and ATM. Mexico on the other hand, , , not so close. Nice deflection, but it doesn't really matter where it is, the question you dodged there is why don't they have to assimilate?

Go ahead and say I'm saying what I'm saying out of hate, you're an idiot. I don't hate anyone. If they're going to be here they need to stop half assing it, period. We need to stop catering to them and start forcing them to become americans or they need to hit the fucking bricks.

"Lots of German spoken in Texas."

Still tryin' to figure out what possessed those crazy krauts park in Texico. My mothers family was part of 'em.

"We are a nation of laws."

Bullshit. You think it unpatriotic to expect that the (Republican)President obey the law, and become a real stickler when it comes to slaughterhouse workers (note I said the workers, and not those who illegally employ them).

"what possessed those crazy krauts"

Free farm land.

No German militarist government.

NoGov-
Canada in not really comparable to the grinding poverty of China or Mexico. We get Canadian tourists, not the desperate underclass. We get Chinese grad students, not the illiterate laborers. Your argument seems to be that there is something about the character of Mexicans in general that makes your argument sound.

BET-
Here's a different take. I don't think Fremont's proposed law is the result of a tough economy. This issue has been brewing for a long time.

I do agree that people can turn on others (weaker) BUT... and this is a big BUT... they don't turn on other law abiding Americans.

Say you're standing in a line with other law abiding citizens. You have no problem with the other law abiding people in the same line. But when you see someone illegally cutting into the line you get mad.

Combine that feeling with the fact our federal government has largely chosen to wash its hands of the issue and you get a sense for the dynamics.

It's not a case of our law abiding have nots turning on fellow law abiding have nots.

August Scholz (1825-1891), a German immigrant and confederate veteran, built his public bar and cafe in 1866 over an old boarding house, the year following the end of the Civil War. Mr. Scholz purchased the building and surrounding property in 1862 from Sam Norville for $2400. Scholz Garten soon became a favorite meeting place for the German population in and around Austin for many of their social activities and German food.

"We need to stop catering to them and start forcing them to become americans or they need to hit the fucking bricks."

They are "americans".

"Bullshit. You think it unpatriotic to expect that the (Republican)President obey the law, and become a real stickler when it comes to slaughterhouse workers (note I said the workers, and not those who illegally employ them)." - BET

No one should be above the law. When you want to criminalize policy then you and I will disagree.

I've consistently been opposed to those who'd illegally hire the workers.

Where did you get the idea I felt as you'd said I did?

I'll ask again - do you favor sanctuary cities? Why/why not?

Oorah-
Did an illegal immigrant beat you out for that onion harvesting job @ $3.35/hr that you had your hopes pinned on, or what?

Oorah-
Then why don't you go after those who hire illegals instead of the illegals?

No jobs. No illegals.

"Did an illegal immigrant beat you out for that onion harvesting job @ $3.35/hr that you had your hopes pinned on, or what?" - BET

You're better than that. Why start down that path?

"Then why don't you go after those who hire illegals instead of the illegals? No jobs. No illegals." - BET

Just like with the war on terror there are multiple areas of concern. I fully agree we need to crack down on both the employers and those who are here illegally.

Are you in favor of sanctuary cities? Why/why not?

"They are "americans"." - BET

If they are here illegally, are you calling them Americans?

What, in your opinion, constitutes one being an American?

Oohrah-
But you start with the immigrants, and not those who employ them. Why?

Wouldn't it be more effective to go after those who hire them? How about a no-sanctuary city that aggressively fines and jails those who hire illegal immigrants. Ever heard of a city like that? The bonus is that they'd be really easy to find. Just look for those business owners who employ people for the shittiest most dangerous jobs at the lowest pay: slaughterhouses, poultry farms, agricultural seasonal, night shift janitors, etc.

Oohrah-
re: "What, in your opinion, constitutes one being an American?"

That one lives in the americas. But it's not really an opinion.

"Your argument seems to be that there is something about the character of Mexicans in general that makes your argument sound."
Posted by BetelG at. . .

My argument is that, and I'll try to dumb it down for you since it doesn't seem to be sinking in, that anyone from any other country is forced to assimilate. . . I'm sorry:

"But you start with the immigrants, and not those who employ them. Why?" - BET

Where did you reach that conclusion about my views? It's a dual approach (employers & workers).

I've consistently supported cracking down on both sides of the problem.

"How about a no-sanctuary city that aggressively fines and jails those who hire illegal immigrants. Ever heard of a city like that?" - BET

NOGOV-
Actually, you're completely wrong. In general, it takes about three generations regardless of race/ethnicity when there is a language barrier. Of course, highly educated folks who already have learned english pass that on to their children and so it goes a bit faster - but how many highly educated folks from Mexico want to come here to eviscerate your chickens? I understand that you feel there is something inferior about Mexicans as compared to asians and europeans, but that's because you're a racist.

Oohrah-
It just seems as if your punitive interest is concentrated on the poor. How do you feel about prison for those corporate CEOs who routinely and systemically rely on illegal labor? (as a start, and not as a weak addendum)

I'm a law and order guy, BET. So if CEOs were found guilty of illegal activity, then they should be punished under the law. As to whether that necessarily means jail time, I think there is latitude in sentencing... but I'm NOT opposed to jail time, to answer your question.

Where I think you and I can find some common ground is in recognition of how the wealthy can afford high priced lawyers to help get them off or get reduced penalties.

Let me ask you again... are you in favor of sanctuary cities? Why/why not?

So you're quite willing to deny a room at the inn for the illegal workers - with a breakfast of deportation, but the jailing of a corporate suit is a bit nuanced, with latitude - not that you're really opposed altogether.

Do I have that right?

After the ignorance you've shown here I'm not sure if I should even bother, unfortunately I feel that I must. I'm the grandson of Lebaneese imigrants, my mother was 12 years old when she got here. I like to think I have a pretty firm grasp on the language, I know for a fact my mother does. My grandparents are both dead now, neither of them could tell you that they liked french fries when they got here. I was 6 when grandpa died, he ran a small engine repair shop in the middle of no where. Let me tell you, there are all sorts of farmers in rural Ohio that speak Arabic, there were a lot more in 1981 when he died than there are now, seriously. So as anyone could clearly see it was simple for him to just keep on trucking and not learn to speak any English at all.

I went to school with the children of immigrants from Laos, they came to the town I live in to work in a meat packing plant that got tore down a decade ago. I remember a girl in my class and her entire family becoming U.S. citizens when I was in the 6th grade. I'm not sure if you know this or not, but you kinda gotta know a bit about the country and the language that is spoken here to become a citizen. I shit you not, her cousins own about 1/2 of the rental property in our county. You are completely wrong, at least where my family, also every other family I know that moved here, is concerned.

Now then, your argument is that Mexicans who come here are too stupid to learn to speak English, and you've actually got the sack to call someone else a racist? What a fucking tool, there really is no hope for a half witt like you.

It's been a while since I've been called a "half witt". Actually, I think that's a first.

"half witt(sic)"

Katerina?

Yeah, my retarded grandpa who came here to turn wrenches used to say it all the time. I'm not sure how he did it since it -- as you've so correctly explained to a guy who clearly knows nothing about the subject -- should have been impossible for him.

In fact, I don't even know how I managed to type it. According to you, my grandchildren, maybe, more probable from my great-grandchildren. How in the blue hell did I do it?

NOGOV-
You and yours are far superior to the dirty Mexicans.

That better?

"I'm the grandson of Lebaneese imigrants,..."

That makes you the third generation, so you're right on track (even if you can't spell "half witt" to save your Lebanese ass).

"So you're quite willing to deny a room at the inn for the illegal workers - with a breakfast of deportation, but the jailing of a corporate suit is a bit nuanced, with latitude - not that you're really opposed altogether. Do I have that right?" - BET

A bit nuanced? Has to be. Are you seriously suggesting the CEO of a large company automatically gets jail time because some production supervisor in a plant in BFE has hired an illegal? Are you? There needs to be a sense of proportion here. For the CEO to get jail time I think you'd have to be able to prove he/she knew of illegal practices and condoned them. Then you'd have a possible case. Does that make sense?

As for "denying a room at the inn" your stab at Christianity is duly noted. I am not advocating locking up illegals - they get no jail time (unless they have committed a crime aside from being here illegally).

This is a law and order issue. Laws are being violated all around. If we are a nation of laws... and the feds won't uphold their end of things, then chaos reigns. States/cities have to do what they feel they need to.

Since you've chosen to dodge the question on sanctuary cities, I assume you are in favor of them. Why?

"Are you seriously suggesting the CEO of a large company automatically gets jail time because some production supervisor in a plant in BFE has hired an illegal?"

I thought you were serious about solving the problem quickly. I see you're not.

BET-
I think littering is inconsiderate, costly and potentially dangerous to other people and the environment, but I'm also not going to have society execute someone for spitting their gum out on the street... nor am I going to imprison the CEO of Wrigley Gum.

You can fine the offending company and lock up those with knowledge & approval of the illegal acts. To go beyond that to imprison someone with no knowledge of an illegal act is wrong.

Why are you so hesitant to tackle the sanctuary city question? And why are you AWOL when it comes to saying anything negative regarding the millions of illegal immigrants?

"And why are you AWOL when it comes to saying anything negative regarding the millions of illegal immigrants?"

Because I don't have a damned thing against the most impoverished of a poor country trying for a better life in the US for them and their children. You'd do the same in their situation, I would hope.

So is breaking the law (illegal immigrants) justifiable due to one's financial status? Do you really wish to make that argument? If so, how is impoverished defined... who gets to define it... and what laws are permissible to be broken?

I don't think you'll find anyone opposed to legal immigration. It's a time-honored practice which has served this nation of laws quite well.

Did you read the article on Mohawk? (The link you posted)

Are you familiar at all with the human resource practices the gov't dictates and how we are to check for eligibility?

I think before you want to lock up CEOs and whomever else, you might want to reread that Mohawk piece... between civil rights issues, law enforcement on the part of corporations,etc., this isn't as simple as it may look.

Did you read over my links from earlier? Particularly where a judge struck down a city/state's rights to send a letter to all employers warning them of penalties if they employ illegals? Again - a federal court judge knocked it down. So we're a ways away, still it would seem, from a tidy way to ensure only legal folks work here and to punish employers who knowingly (or perhaps unknowingly) have illegals on payroll.

Oohrah-
Oh, it's quite complicated. Everyone in every town knows who hires them, but it's complicated....

Which is why you focus on the immigrants.

No, BET. Try dealing with civil rights issues and the role of the private sector as policing agencies. Civil rights... the ACLU, etc... you know... the sort of thing your side trots out whenever the war on terror is discussed.

Did you read your own link?

Sure, you could walk in and lock up everyone who looks like they "don't belong" and lock up the plant manager and all the management team. While you're at it, why not fine/imprison every co-worker who knows he's working beside an illegal? Everyone is complicit in some way. While we're at it, why not simply shut the company down?

Once again, it's a multi-headed dragon we're dealing with. Let's work to punish the Mohawks of the world, but don't leave out the other side of the equation (those here illegally). Can we at least agree on that?

Are you in favor of sanctuary cities?

As doccumented in this thread I'm no genius. As I explained earlier, my grandfather was a retard who did a retard's job and shouldn't have been capable of much more than grunting and pointing at things, but the way I've got 'er figured is if my mom was 12 when she got here that would pretty much make me a 1st generation American. At least that's how we count where I'm from I'm from, half witt.

NO-
I understand your frustration at the lack of assimilation we're seeing with Hispanics. Of course, some are assimilating.

But we are enabling a growing sub-culture of those unable or unwilling to assimilate. When our gov't coddles them with ESL courses and makes ballots, street signs, and official govt documents in Spanish we are doing them (and us, ultimately) no long term favors.

No one is begrudging someone who comes here legally and works to attain the American dream.

Posted by BetelG at 2008-07-12 01:19 P

www.businessweek.com

everyone knows where they work

Do you live on Mars?

There are a couple of interesting topics cited in it, the filing of a RICO suit against Mohawk for conspiring to lower wages, and the statement in "Comments" that the company is precluded from questioning documentation that is not contradictory on its face, so that some slug, who is apparently a foreigner as reflected by language ability, and other criteria, cannot be questioned regarding the authenticity of his residency.

It's another absurdity similar to those preventing "racial profiling" of terrorists, or an "Amber Alert" not identifying the race or ethnicity of the abuductor of a child. But madness reigns. We need to move into the real; world again and act accordingly.

I wonder if you have read the comments to the story. The attitudes that they reflect amplifies the story.

Here's one:

Nickname: sick

Review: I am sick of illegals. I work for Mohawk, illegals bring home more money than I do and I make more an hour -- I have seen their checks. They claim 10 dependents, they get food stamps, claiming to be single where they keep their maiden name. I know one guy who works where I do, making $16 an hour and his wife works for a doctor's office. He picks his kids up after work at a daycare for low income families.

A seven year old girl was just gunned down by gangbangers in my county, and the pallbearers were also dressed as gangbangers. That's the element that we have imported and whose presence we have tolerated.

The comment continues.

At the mall there have been two drive by shootings. Dalton, Ga has gotten really bad, we see things happen because of illegals and nothing is in the paper here about it. The newspaper is just as corrupt as Mohawk. Mohawk in Dalton has layed off over 50 people last week and has been downsizing. Why hasn't there been any news about that? And if they say they have transfered some of the employees to other plants, yes, 2 or 3. We are lucky, the ones who work there to get in 32 hours a week. Our full time job has turned into a part time job.
Date reviewed: Apr 5, 2007 1:46 PM

Well, Americans for a variety of reasons, have tolerated the intrusion of this cancer on this country, and now this country is being eaten by it as it metastasizes. It will destroy our hard built culture, which apparently had the fatal weakness of susceptibility to the incursions of illegal aliens, doing nothing when they were still easy to rebuff.

In the good old days, the Texas Rangers would machine gun illegal aliens as they they attempted to cross the Rio Grande. It was effective. But we have become a nation of weaklings without any backbone, who will tolerate any insults without taking offense and acting to discourage them.

Requiring renters to obtain a government license is a huge encroachment on individual liberty and freedom of movement. It's also going to put a huge amount of work on police departments.

People should rethink whether reducing illegal immigration is worth what we'd be giving up. The idea of requiring government sanction to rent a house is offensive.

The immigrants are here because there's work here. Go after the employers if you want it to go away (and you can live with the economic costs of removing that pool of cheap labor).

Requiring renters to obtain a government license is a huge encroachment on individual liberty and freedom of movement. It's also going to put a huge amount of work on police departments.

It certainly is. But we have reached an age where a city can tell restaurants what kind of fat they can use.

It would be easy to catch illegals when they try to collect welfare. This looks to me like the State is using illegals as an excuse to get more control over the private economy.

Our political system is out of control. Our electoral process is a farce.

"The idea of requiring government sanction to rent a house is offensive."

Unfortunately, for many (like "johnson", who would prefer they be shot dead at the border), this makes perfect sense.

So, we can insist on licensure to get a roof over over some renter's head, but never to get a firearm. Right?

But we have become a nation of weaklings without any backbone, who will tolerate any insults without taking offense and acting to discourage them.

About the most sane statement on this particular blog.

But we have become a nation of weaklings without any backbone, who will tolerate any insults without taking offense and acting to discourage them.

About the most sane statement on this particular blog.
Posted by boaz

About?
Boaz, you're too polite.
It IS the truth.

Good idea.

5% unemployment. 5% illegal immigrant workforce.

See a connection there?

Lots of German spoken in Texas."

Still tryin' to figure out what possessed those crazy krauts park in Texico. My mothers family was part of 'em.

Posted by Dave at 2008-

well what can I say..........EVERYONE wants to be a texian......but we who are born and bred have the authority to sanction the honorary citizenship moniker upon who we wish......and thats why George bush IS A TEXAN.........hee hee

of course ZAT might veto that, but my vote counts for much more than his does........has to do with age and seniority..............YUK YUK........

Let me ask you again... are you in favor of sanctuary cities? Why/why not?

Posted by OohRah at 2008-07-12 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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So you're quite willing to deny a room at the inn for the illegal workers - with a breakfast of deportation, but the jailing of a corporate suit is a bit nuanced, with latitude - not that you're really opposed altogether.

Do I have that right?

Posted by BetelG at 2008-07

I dont know for sure but I am pretty certain that betelg NEVER answered the question.......is that correct? and then.........WHY NOT???????????

and heaven help any community like these good people in Nebraska who think that people should actually obey the law........

I believe a case concerning a licensing ordinance requirement was thrown out by a court back in July 2007 when this same issue was tried in Hazelton, PA.

This type of law never passes Constitutional muster. And it won't this time either, regardless of how many of you bastards jizz in your pants with excitement over the notion of targeting hard working foreigners.

......and thats why George bush IS A TEXAN.........hee hee

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-07-13 06:39 PM

You can have the piece of shit. YUK. YUK.

On another note I find apropos, I have two gentlemen of Mexican origin working on my plumbing as we speak. Neither speaks English. They are working their butts off trying to clear out 60 years of accumulated pipe gunk from my central bathroom tub and sink..

Funny thing is, about three months ago I paid some (White, English speaking) guy from Roto Rooter $300 to do the same job. He acted busy for about an hour and then left saying nothing could be done and I need new pipes. He of course kept the money.
The two guys working in my bathroom right now only asked for a TOTAL of $80. They have been here almost three hours. I expect they will be here at least another two hours. Even though they don't yet know it, I I will be paying them each $180. And it will be money well spent.

(And people wonder why undocumented immigrants are able to get so much work. Hmmm. Maybe it is because they actually WORK!)

I have two gentlemen of Mexican origin working on my plumbing as we speak. Neither speaks English. They are working their butts off trying to clear out 60 years of accumulated pipe gunk from my central bathroom tub and sink.. Funny thing is, about three months ago I paid some (White, English speaking) guy from Roto Rooter $300 to do the same job. He acted busy for about an hour and then left saying nothing could be done and I need new pipes. He of course kept the money.

My plumber is a black guy. I had white guys and Mexican guys all come out to do rotor rooter work on the front yard relief drain pipe when it overflowed and none of them brought out the right equipment -- too small a blade or else they would snake it in the wrong direction and twice had it snake back thru the pipes inside the house instead of thru the pipes out towards the street curb.

Another clown had some cheapo blade on the end of a (too small for the job) snake and lost it in the drain and tried to charge me an extra $60 for him not putting it on right in the first place.

Then I just picked a licensed plumber out of the Yellow Pages and the black guy came out. He had a 4-6 inch expanding blade (which you need to clean out the varing sizes of pipe stretching on out to the curb) and he was fast, thorough, fair priced, and professional. I used him twice after that time -- one job which included doing major pipe repair under the kitchen sink. I have no intention of using anyone else but him from now on and would gladly recommend him to anyone I know.

btw -- my plumber was a licensed plumber and here legally.

A bit nuanced? Has to be. Are you seriously suggesting the CEO of a large company automatically gets jail time because some production supervisor in a plant in BFE has hired an illegal?

OOHRAH

YES!! Make that the unbendable policy and no company would hire illegal aliens. Period.

How many CEO's know illegals are hired, but acknowledge it in an office with a wink and a nod.

Can't be messing with profits now can we? Even as it slowly takes down America and we ship our money to China by the trillion a year and lose jobs here by the millions

I know there's a good joke in here somewhere about plumbing, whites, mexicans and blacks and about bringing the right tool to do the job.

Take all the able bodied people collecting unemployment, and put thier asses to work pickin tomatoes,lettuce and blueberries or cleaning hotel rooms. That will fill the demand for "jobs Americans dont want."

I believe a case concerning a licensing ordinance requirement was thrown out by a court back in July 2007 when this same issue was tried in Hazelton, PA.
Posted by CalifChris

Slightly different issue, CalifChris. The Hazleton law is still trying to fine employers and landlords who rent to illegal aliens (several similar laws have already been struck down in PA, but they're still going for it). This law puts the responsibility of doing checks on employees on the landlords and employers, which has been declared unconstitutional in other areas of the country (like Farmer's Branch). This issue gives that responsibility back to the city, and states that the city is responsible for doing the legality check on renters.

The whole reason this was done is because it was requiring private citizens and industry to perform the role of the government (ICE in particular), which is unconstitutional. As oohrah said earlier, it's forcing private entities to perform a public act that they have no responsibility for. It's analagous to the police coming to the door and saying, "we have a crime problem in your neighborhood. Since your house might be robbed, we're pressing you into police service until the problem is solved." Blatantly unconstitutional. Previous to this law, these local cities were saying to the landlords and the businesses that, since they have an immigration problem, they were going to force these entities into doing what the government (federal, state, and local, in my opinion) should be responsible for; that is, checking immigration status.

Since 2007, it's been shown time and again that these laws tend to be costly and nearly unenforceable.

What I do like about some of these laws is that they do give the employers and landlords a chance to correct any hiring or renting error that might have been made. That gives the employers that have inadvertantly hired illegals a chance to correct the error. This provision was really the only reason the Valley Park, MO ordinance passed. It presumes innocence until proven guilty. Wow, imagine that.

Overall, however, I think a more comprehensive, nation-wide ordinance needs to be created and implemented - not these band-aid provisions.

Farmer's Branch, TX adopted this same ordinance about a month ago and the ordinance is currently in the courts. Probably not going to pass but it's definitely worth it to watch what happens.

BRAVO Fremont,

I do credit checks on renters. Wait, illegals don't have any............ ooopppssssss

Every person occupying a rented home or apartment would have to hold an occupancy license at a cost of $5 each.

And there is the real reason. A new tax.

Are you seriously suggesting the CEO of a large company automatically gets jail time because some production supervisor in a plant in BFE has hired an illegal?

OOHRAH

I know CFO's that roll their eyes when I inquire if they have hired any "undocumented" workers. Of course they say "no" and I don't push the issue further but they know and I know that they are hiring illegals.

"Oohrah-
re: "What, in your opinion, constitutes one being an American?"

That one lives in the americas. But it's not really an opinion.

Posted by BetelG at 2008-07-12 11:17 AM | Reply | "

What constitutes one being a police officer?
The one wearing the uniform.

That makes a lot of sense. We don't want to know if you legally are a citizen or cop. We just want to know that you look like a citizen or cop.

Resolve the issue legally.
Arrest a few.
Convict them of being here illegally.
Thanks to the Constitution, sell the convicted as slaves to the companies that can't find employees to do the job.

Results:
The rest of the illegal immigrants will flee the country.
The employers who can't find workers will now have a legal workforce.
No jails to use for illegals saving money.
Employers will be responsible for their property so no free medical visits at our local hospitals.

I live about 40 miles from Freemont. 20 years ago, Freemont was a nice, quiet town.

Now crime has gone up and the overall culture of the town has declined because of packing plants and illegal immigrants. These things are not imaginary. All you have to do is check the police blotter and view the names of the people that commit crimes.

You can't ignore this, because it's not a coincidence.

These are not Immigrants. They are not Undocumented Workers. They are Illegal Immigrants. They are called illegal immigrants because they have already committed a crime by entering the country illegally. There is no other country in the world that tolerates this behavior. Try illegally entering Mexico. You go to jail.

So why is it tolerated and approved here?

BTW, condoning illegals that come in and work for substandard wages is the same as condoning slavery.

And illegals that enter this country illegally are doing a big disfavor to the immigrants that stand in line and wait thier turn.

And rental property kills neighborhoods.

......and thats why George bush IS A TEXAN.........hee hee

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-07-13 06:39 PM

You can have the piece of shit. YUK. YUK.

Posted by itsme at 2008-07

hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm..............
..okay

humanear..

LOOK liberals DONT GIVE A SHIT About what happened in that town or anyother town as well if it means they can get more illegals on THIER VOTING ROLLS..........

I agree, Bushlovertwo,

It's all about getting re-elected any way possible. Even if it means bypassing the laws of the US. I'm with you. More power to Freemont. Let's hope they set a precedent that others will follow.

I'm all for requiring rental licenses.

In my town, it's SOP for crack/meth producers to pre-pay a slumlord 1 year of rent in cash. When the police start moving in on them, they simply relocate to another rental unit and pre-pay for another year in advance. The landlords make a killing through their willful disregard to public safety and the criminals always have an apartment waiting for them.

It's about time landlords start to be held accountable, whether it be knowingly renting to illegals, or crack producers.

LOOK liberals DONT GIVE A SHIT About what happened in that town or anyother town as well if it means they can get more illegals on THIER VOTING ROLLS..........

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-07-14 01:09 PM

Has it occurred to you that illegals can't register or vote?
Sorry to let facts get in the way of your rant.

I do credit checks on renters. Wait, illegals don't have any............ ooopppssssss

Posted by 08r4ever at 2008-07-14 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sure they do. I know of three of them that use _my_ credit.