Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

U.S. history teachers have to be smiling. Americans this year have benefitted from a continuing resurgence of interest in the nation's founders. On this 232nd anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, it is good to know that the stories of these brave men and women are not fading into obscurity.

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GOD BLESS AMERICA - land that I love.

Be sure and put your flag up tomorrow.

HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY EVERYONE!

This is from last year, it's very good.

Happy INDEPENDENCE DAY from Iowa!

thank you and right backatcha, msgt - from a recovering californistinian!

chris - i have little flags up all year (made in the u.s.a.) in all my garden and flower pots. i love this country too!

oops! i thought msgt posted this!

happy fourth, jini!

Thanks, Nanc, and thanks to Member2586 for the link to that wonderful piece on NPR.

" i love this country too!

Posted by nanc at 2008-07-03 05:17 PM"


Too bad you hate people. Typical hateful "patriotic Christian."


that was the rachel corrie pancake special at ihop.

Posted by nanc at 2008-07-03 11:27 AM

I won't be putting up a flag, I won't be celebrating, I don't care what anyone thinks about that. When the soldiers all come home from Iraq and Afghanistan, when our dollar isn't falling at a precipitous rate, when George Bush is out of the WH, then I will celebrate a real INDEPENDENCE DAY, til then we are an occupied nation.

who are we occupied by, danni?

Although today we celebrate the signing of The Declaration of Independence, is it really the kind of holiday where you go around saying "Happy Independence Day"? That sounds kind of silly.

But I do suggest that everyone take a little time today and read and learn a little real history of your country and refresh your ideas about what this country really stands for. I'm right in the middle of a thick bio of my hometowns favorite son, Ben Franklin.
Did you he gained political prominence when fighting to get the rich proprietors of Pennsylvania to pay a tax to support the militia that was raised for the defense of the colony during the French and Indian wars? The Proprietors insisted only the poor and middle class should pay for the war. Where have we heard that before?

Sorry...
Did you know he.......

Thanks for posting this, Jini. I added a link to an interesting editorial on the holiday. America can be a fubar country in a lot of ways, but one thing we got right was our constitutional form of government. May freedom reign.

Bah humbug. Oh wait......

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776.
THE UNANIMOUS
DECLARATION
OF THE
THIRTEEN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

WHEN, in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's GOD entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the Causes which impel them to the Separation.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their CREATOR, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate, that Governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.

HE has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.

HE has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Importance, unless suspended in their Operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

HE has refused to pass other Laws for the Accommodation of large Districts of People, unless those People would relinquish the Right of Representation in the Legislature, a Right inestimable to them, and formidable to Tyranny only.

HE has called together Legislative Bodies at Places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the Depository of their public Records, for the sole Purpose of fatiguing them into Compliance with his Measures.

HE has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly Firmness his Invasions on the Rights of the People.

HE has refused for a long Time, after such Dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining, in the mean Time, exposed to all the Dangers of Invasion from without, and Convulsions within.

HE has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

HE has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

HE has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.

HE has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.

HE has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the Consent of our Legislatures.

HE has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

HE has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

FOR quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:

FOR protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

FOR cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World:

FOR imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

FOR depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:

FOR transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended Offences:

FOR abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an arbitrary Government, and enlarging its Boundaries, so as to render it at once an Example and fit Instrument for introducing the same absolute Rule into these Colonies:

FOR taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

FOR suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with Power to legislate for us in all Cases whatsoever.

HE has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection, and waging War against us.

HE has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our People.

HE is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to complete the Works of Death, Desolation, and Tyranny, already begun with Circumstances of Cruelty and Perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous Ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized Nation.

HE has constrained our Fellow-Citizens, taken Captive on the high Seas, to bear Arms against their Country, to become the Executioners of their Friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

HE has excited domestic Insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes, and Conditions.

IN every Stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every Act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People.

NOR have we been wanting in Attentions to our British Brethren. We have warned them, from Time to Time, of Attempts by their Legislature to extend an unwarrantable Jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the Circumstances of our Emigration and Settlement here. We have appealed to their native Justice and Magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the Ties of our common Kindred to disavow these Usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our Connexions and Correspondence. They too have been deaf to the Voice of Justice and of Consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the Necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the Rest of Mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

WE, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in GENERAL CONGRESS Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connexion between them and the State of Great-Britain, is, and ought to be, totally dissolved; and that as FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which INDEPENDENT STATES may of Right do. And for the Support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of DIVINE PROVIDENCE, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honour.

John Hancock.
GEORGIA, Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, Geo. Walton.
NORTH-CAROLINA, Wm. Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn.
SOUTH-CAROLINA, Edward Rutledge, Thos Heyward, junr. Thomas Lynch, junr. Arthur Middleton.
MARYLAND, Samuel Chase, Wm. Paca, Thos. Stone, Charles Carroll, of Carrollton.
VIRGINIA, George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Ths. Jefferson, Benja. Harrison, Thos. Nelson, jr. Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton.
PENNSYLVANIA, Robt. Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benja. Franklin, John Morton, Geo. Clymer, Jas. Smith, Geo. Taylor, James Wilson, Geo. Ross.
DELAWARE, Caesar Rodney, Geo. Read.
NEW-YORK, Wm. Floyd, Phil. Livingston, Frank Lewis, Lewis Morris.
NEW-JERSEY, Richd. Stockton, Jno. Witherspoon, Fras. Hopkinson, John Hart, Abra. Clark.
NEW-HAMPSHIRE, Josiah Bartlett, Wm. Whipple, Matthew Thornton.
MASSACHUSETTS-BAY, Saml. Adams, John Adams, Robt. Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry.
RHODE-ISLAND AND PROVIDENCE, &c. Step. Hopkins, William Ellery.
CONNECTICUT, Roger Sherman, Saml. Huntington, Wm. Williams, Oliver Wolcott.

IN CONGRESS, JANUARY 18, 1777.

ORDERED,
THAT an authenticated Copy of the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCY, with the Names of the MEMBERS of CONGRESS, subscribing the same, be sent to each of the UNITED STATES, and that they be desired to have the same put on RECORD.
By Order of CONGRESS,
JOHN HANCOCK, President.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their CREATOR, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Dave Alvin sez: "Hey baby, it's the 4th of July".

www.youtube.com


" i love this country too!


Posted by nanc at 2008-07-03 05:17 PM"


Too bad you hate people. Typical hateful "patriotic Christian."


that was the rachel corrie pancake special at ihop.


Posted by nanc at 2008-07-03 11:27 AM


followed by the "Pippa Bacca BBQ" at the state park.

by their CREATOR
Posted by truthhurts

No mention of who or what that creator may be, truthstretches.


I won't be putting up a flag, I won't be celebrating, I don't care what anyone thinks about that. When the soldiers all come home from Iraq and Afghanistan, when our dollar isn't falling at a precipitous rate, when George Bush is out of the WH, then I will celebrate a real INDEPENDENCE DAY, til then we are an occupied nation.

Posted by danni

Must be tough to decide which BBQ you're going to after the thousands of invites that poured in huh Captain Goodtimes?


by their CREATOR
Posted by truthhurts


No mention of who or what that creator may be, truthstretches.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine a


correct although Franklin tried to get the religous aspect removed, the creator remained. even somewhat enlightened men incorporate teh boogey man in policy

correct although Franklin tried to get the religous aspect removed

Someone just rented the John Adams HBO miniseries...

Happy last Independence day under a Republican President for a while!

Or as the Founding fathers would say, "Texaf? Don't blame uf for Texaf."

No the Founders won't fall into obscurity. They'll continue to be used as props to lull Americans into thinking they are free.


correct although Franklin tried to get the religous aspect removed


Someone just rented the John Adams HBO miniseries...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


trust me rob i know much more american history than you

Independecne my eye! China owns us.

Or as the Founding fathers would say, "Texaf? Don't blame uf for Texaf."

Posted by northguy3

FF, I always wonder why the "f" as "s" went out of style.

Yea, TH, I'm always amazed, living in Philly, how little people here know about what happened then. I got this
www.amazon.com
for a buck at a yard sale and it is making great beach reading this summer.

This Independence Day, lets all remember those who gave the ultimate price, so that these states can remain United.

I choose to think of the country as a collecton of states, that are united. Just a question, how do you think of the nation drudgites?

Where is the story at Drudge Retort about the freed hostages in Colombia?

www.washingtonpost.com

It must be that all you leftists are wailing and crying and gnashing your teeth that your comrades in FARC were duped and the whole organization is reeling so no one at Drudge Retort has the will to create a post. That we are helping the Colombian gov't win that war has got to be making you people more crazy than normal.

I just visited that above link and was reading the comments. The leftists there are livid and are insisting that this was staged to coincide with the presidential election. You know, typical leftwing nutjobs spouting insane conspiracy theories and barely concealing their hatred for this country.

G*d I can't stand leftists.

BTW, FARC is financed by Hugo Chavez and Hugo Chavez is one of those people Barack Hussein Obama has said he would meet with. Without preconditions.

I can't believe how many people have no clue what a disaster BHO would be to this country. Don't get me wrong, Juan McCain sucks and I will never vote for him, but BHO is a nightmare.

I would have voted for Hillary over Juan McCain and that is really saying something.

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY FROM ST. LOUIS, MO (HOME OF THE CARDINALS) TO EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD, FOR WE ARE ALL LOVERS OF FREEDOM!
The weather here is fantastic (70 degrees). Hope everyone enjoys this 4th.

SenR-I suggested yesterday that Bush outsource the hunt for bin forgotten to the Colombians because obviously they can find thier ass with two hands and a road map, something the Failure-in-Chief is incapable of.

And speaking of Creators (of zebra kids anyways) Jesee Helms is dead. The man the GOP thought could put the darkies in their place is in his, getting bbqed I expect.

Well HELL Seanr, you could vote for the white half of BHO... and you hate leftists... and you'd vote for Hillary over Juan McCain ? WOW ! (What grade are you in ?)

I'm with you Danni. It has come to the point where an American flag reminds me of right wing Neo-con Republicanism.

They have an awful lot to answer for and wrapping the flag around their GD necks seems to be their principal out.

Sorry to be so negative on what should be a good day.

Tonight aye'll go up on my roof and watch fireworks, and pray that '09 will see some sanity return to our government.

Where is the story at Drudge Retort about the freed hostages in Colombia?

Posted by SeanR

I don't know? Have you posted it yet? Who's stopping you?

This will stop no presses, but this July 4 my prime sense is one of embarrassment.

Happy Fourth anyway, Danni. Enjoy it, Spud; I loved the laid back manner of your Canada Day. Right on, Lib, that the uglies have co-opted the flag along with the cross. Northguy, Skiz, keep it up.

I do hope Sean R wakes up to what a blessing an O'Bama presidency will be. It will HAVE to be, to undo the Bush damage.

I wonder where the professional "patriots" like the bogus paratrooper are. Maybe pulling wings off flies somewhere. I do hope that Nancy and Murphy see the light. There's still hope for them.

Right on also, Nihilist. Reading a little history will disabuse those who still think this was created as a "Christian" country. herm

YOMELIB

You are a typical leftist. You don't even try to hide your hatred of this country.

You people want this country to change radically in ways that it's never been. You keep talking about "taking back" your country. This country has never been a leftwing country. You're all delusional. Democrats before Jimmy Carter wouldn't recognize you nutjobs. You all disgust me.

I would vote for Hillary over Juan McCain because I know what she would do and I'd just as soon give her credit for leftwing policies instead of a republican getting the credit. If Juan McCain gets the presidency people will think that he's what a republican should be to win elections and he is nothing but a RINO.

Glad to see so many libs staying at home today. Traffic is already too heavy as it is.

Spud; I loved the laid back manner of your Canada Day

~Herm

So did Spud, in fact.

Spent most of it indoors (due to a massive sunburn) and blogging at an American political site (ie the DR).

Very Canadian was that.

Ta fer the Indy Day greetings and felicitations.

Hopin' yer 4th of July is a blast.

Not literally though.

Remember ...bottlerockets are always fun until someone loses an eye.

Enjoy.

Be Well.

My U.S. flag is proudly hanging on the front porch.

Reading a little history will disabuse those who still think this was created as a "Christian" country. herm

Religion was formost in the minds of our creator's. It was christian foundations that have made this country great. Take those away and we fail. Yes, we are in a revolution. What I see is it getting so bad, that because of our right to bear arms, some of us will have to take our country back or at least get a piece of frontier and kick out you liberals. Once the mexicans and islamics take over the big cities, we will have to act. I see it coming. The country will split into liberal and conservative blocks...

Bull-ass, I am worried that your ilk will indeed attempt some sort of Scalia-aided putsch against people who can think for themselves. But when you badmouth lower case "mexicans and islamics," don't I recall from somewhere that YOU are black? herm

PS: The foregoing surely applies to "This country has never been a leftwing country." herm

PPS: I guess the foregoing was a corollary to this from the Jesse Helms thread:

"America is a conservative country at heart and most dont agree with liberals."

Bullshit, Boaz. Boashit, Bull-ass. America was spawned in revolution, as we note this holiday. A senile ham actor named Reagan managed to badmouth liberals to where, a quarter century later, it's a pejorative. But every iota of American progress since 1776 has been generated by liberals. The presidents we revere today, surely Lincoln, were liberals. herm

don't I recall from somewhere that YOU are black? herm

Yes, I am a black american, not african american. I was born here. But Islamic radicals are using our liberals against us, as well as mexican nationals who come here waving their mexican flag. I personally am tired of it.

Wow Herm. If all that's true, sounds like you liberals have a public relations problem. Reagan left office 20 years ago--isn't it time you stopped blaming him for the way the rest of us look at people like yourself?

Methinks it's because liberals are such angry, hateful, bitter people. The kind that won't celebrate Independence Day because Bush is in the White House. The kind that do celebrate the death of a former Senator who has basically vanished from public life; I thought he was already deceased. The kind that can't wait for Obama to reverse Bush's tax cuts on people wealthier than themselves, but--perish the thought--you'll be keeping all the money the cuts gave YOU. The kind that would refuse to allow his grandson into his home, because he proudly serves the military of his country.

And so on. Enjoy the holiday. If possible.

But every iota of American progress since 1776 has been generated by liberals.

Got it herm, but these are not your kennedy liberals. The liberals of today are giving our country away. The liberals of today are european liberals, socialist liberals that are destroying our nation.

"Bullshit, Boaz."

We expect no less from our #1 "patroit" here on the 4th of July.



We expect no less from our #1 "patroit" here on the 4th of July.

One of these days, dave, when the islamics put shaira (or whatever the fuck it is)law on you, cut off your wife's toes because she isnt in line with islam or force you to grow a beard, you will learn to appreciate people like me, because we will be living in a free america, one that is free of islam. You will be able to see it, across the field while you are listening to friday prayer's over the loudspeaker's..

No fireworks in California tonight.
My state is nothing but dry brush and timber and a lot of Northern California is on fire.
Two years ago my city said "no private fireworks anywhere" due to extreme fire hazard conditions and notified everyone the only fireworks allowed would be a show given by the City and watched over by our local fire department. They held their show, screwed it up, and the city's own fireworks set our foothills on fire. True story.

This is coming to us, because of people like you dave....I hope you are studying Islam, you are going to need it...

www.dailymail.co.uk

trust me rob i know much more american history than you

Posted by truthhurts

LOL... How about just recognizing the joke, instead of trying to prove how smart you are to the whole board... we get it, you're brilliant...

douche...

"One of these days, dave, when the islamics put shaira (or whatever the fuck it is)law on you, cut off your wife's toes because she isnt in line with islam or force you to grow a beard,"

The mooslims are coming! Boo!

Yay America! Thank Goodness for Massachusetts Liberals who made this country great! Face it Boaz, conservatives have been on the wrong side of history since the start....
Religious Freedom in 16th Century Europe
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, so they leave to a new land...
Breaking with Briton...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, on with the Revolution
Abolition...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, we will fight for their freedom
End Child Labor and exploitation of workers...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, Worker safety and 40hr work weeks
Women's Suffrage...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, votes for all
End State Sponsored Segregation...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes
Gays are people too...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, we're still working on that one
Healthcare for all...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, we have a dream
and on into the future because people like you will never get it...

Thank Goodness for Massachusetts Liberals who made this country great!

Yes, it was 1 colony fighting off the entire british empire... you got it... all those southern colonies were just tending their farms, well actually watching their slaves tend their farms, but you get the point... Only Massachusetts.

"This is coming to us, because of people like you dave...."


(yawn)


Blow it out yer shorts, bozo.

Cali Chris...

FIREWORKS EXTRAVAGANZA AT MARINA DEL REY The traditional fireworks show over the main channel in Marina del Rey will take place beginning at 9 p.m., with vantage points at Burton Chace Park, 13650 Mindanao Way; Fisherman's Village, 13755 Fiji Way; and beaches in Marina del Rey and Playa del Rey.

The WaterBus service will operate from 11 a.m. to midnight on July 4th. Boarding locations are at Fisherman's Village, 13755 Fiji Way; Burton Chace Park, 13650 Mindanao Way; Waterfront Walk/ Fire Station #110, 4433 Admiralty Way; Mother's Beach, 4101 Admiralty Way; Dolphin Marina, 13900 Panay Way, Dock Gate #C-200; and Marina Harbor, 14028 Tahiti Way, Dock Gate #A-2200.

Happy 4th, everyone!

Lotta reasons to celebrate, but one big one has to be the right to argue publicly about politics. You go, Drudgies!

www.opednews.com

"Reagan left office 20 years ago--isn't it time you stopped blaming him for the way the rest of us look at people like yourself?"

RisR, can you give me any clue of any republican thought since Ronnie's departure?

" I thought he (Helms) was already deceased."

They apparently don't read the papers either.

The kind that can't wait for Obama to reverse Bush's tax cuts on people wealthier than themselves,"

Not when they lined their pockets at MY expense.

"but (will keepl the money the cuts gave YOU."

Actually wifey-poo will spend it in ANOTHER country this month.

"The kind that would refuse to allow his grandson into his home, because he proudly serves...."

R, we settled that LONG ago. You KNOW I said I'd welcome him, maybe with a brief lecture. herm

Blow it out yer shorts, bozo.

LOL, Dave...I'll take that as a "I have no response to your post" lol

www.ushistory.org

www.ushistory.org

In case you're wondering, and I know many of you are not, I'm currently watching The Revolution on the History Channel.

Thanks for the heads up, Briwo. This looks pretty good.

Yes, it was 1 colony fighting off the entire british empire... you got it... all those southern colonies were just tending their farms, well actually watching their slaves tend their farms, but you get the point... Only Massachusetts.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole
Actually, in the first few battles, it was. That's where the Revolution started. You can't deny that Boston and Philly led the way. Other than a few Virginians, most of the South was pretty low key.

Face it, if it wasn't for the Northeastern Coffee drinking Liberals of the 1700's (helped by the French, no less), we'd all be speaking English right now.

One of these days, dave, when the islamics put shaira (or whatever the fuck it is)law on you, cut off your wife's toes because she isnt in line with islam or force you to grow a beard, you will learn to appreciate people like me, because we will be living in a free america, one that is free of islam. You will be able to see it, across the field while you are listening to friday prayer's over the loudspeaker's..

Posted by boaz at 2008-07-04 01:13 PM

Get over yourself.

This lefty is flying his American Flag high. No neo-con renters of the Whitehouse can soil its meaning. I have many relatives who served and fought to give me, my wife, three children and another baby who may be born this very day (pretty cool huh?) the wonderful opportunities we enjoy.

And the evangelicals and born agains don't own this either
GOD BLESS AMERICA

"...socialist liberals that are destroying our nation."

C'mon, Bo, you are bigger than the third-grade economists posting here who equate "soshalism" with environmentalism. There are no socialists left in this land. And damfew real liberals.

While I'm at it, a lengthy and decidedly subversive document was quoted earlier, one that folks refused to sign on the streets of librul Madison, Wis. Was the king who did these appalling things George III or George 43? herm

"... when the islamics ... cut off your wife's toes because she isnt in line with islam or force you to grow a beard, you will learn to appreciate people like me..."

If Boa Ass actually BELIEVES this idiocy, I sympathize with his white jingoism. But Bo, bro: islamics are hardly worse than republican homeland security. No one would cut off anyone's toes, and they're highly unlikely to make ME grow a beard. herm

I am flying my Califorian Flag side by side with my Rainbow flag. No American Flag.

I fly the California flag in honor of the 5 Men and Women judges of the California Supreme Court who honored their commitment to the California Constitution - our state's symbol of freedom and pride - and struck down Anti-gay religiously-oriented hate-mogering homophobic mob votes.

This is Day 19 in my Big Fat Legal Gay Marriage.

How about them apples? On this Independence Day for me and my husband, we are going to Barbeque, watch the fireworks at Palm Springs High School, spend some time with our Neighbors; Gay and Straight - and some somewhere imbetween, place our hands over our hearts and recite the Pledge without the assinine 'Under God'

I look forward to the day when I can PROUDLY fly my American flag, while admiring it side by side with my Husband. For us, that day will mean Freedom - even though we will know somewhere in our own country the battle will rage on for others.

Please, do not take for granted the freedoms you have, that others do not.

...And thank you TruthHurts for posting one of our most precious treasures in this entire nation: May we all live up to her lofty expectations!

won't be putting up a flag, I won't be celebrating, I don't care what anyone thinks about that. When the soldiers all come home from Iraq and Afghanistan, when our dollar isn't falling at a precipitous rate, when George Bush is out of the WH, then I will celebrate a real INDEPENDENCE DAY, til then we are an occupied nation.

Posted by danni at 2008-07


WOW.....things are going to be real nice and happy at the danni house today arent they?
how sad it is that you cant celebrate with the rest of us because of political differences.
sad.......BUT when you are invested in defeat, then this is the sad attitude you have.......soooooooooooooo

Where have we heard that before?

Posted by TFDNihilist at 2008-07-04 06:52 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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I dont know......tell us....


This Independence Day, lets all remember those who gave the ultimate price, so that these states can remain United.


I choose to think of the country as a collecton of states, that are united. Just a question, how do you think of the nation drudgites?

Posted by boaz at 2


correctamundo.
this day is a lot like veterans and memorial day. not only the founders and so many others of THAT time....( and we heard a great story about what happened to these signers, and for most it was not a good ending).....these people are who we are celebrating. I dont even like tea.

SO WHAT DO SOME OF YOU THINK.......will gas somehow become the 21st century version somehow of the tea party???????? of course it would have to be something else besides dumping it in the bay.....

Religious Freedom in 16th Century Europe
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, so they leave to a new land...
is this the same libs who became the pilgrims who used to hang witches and punish severly adulterors"


Breaking with Briton...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, on with the Revolution
so tell me what good liberal would waste all that tea instead of drinking it and no liberal would give up THAT MUCH IN TAXes./

Abolition...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, we will fight for their freedom
republicans were instrumental in passing LBJ civil rights package


End Child Labor and exploitation of workers...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, Worker safety and 40hr work weeks
yep thats right......all of us rightwingers want all GOds children working in those factories....


Women's Suffrage...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, votes for all

OKAY THIS ONE YOUVE GOT.......typical that a liberal is repsonsible for THIS COUNTRIES GREATEST MISTAKE........(EASY GIRLS.....Im joking)

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end State Sponsored Segregation...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes
state sponsored segregation??? what are you referring to here?
specifically, that is.


Gays are people too...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, we're still working on that one

libs are for the destruction of the foundation of our society and it has been that since the beginning of time, butthat doesnt matter to the "if it feels good, do it" set....


Healthcare for all...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, we have a dream


sure you have a dream all right......you dream of the largest government booddoggle OF ALL TIME.........and the only thing it will accomplish besides a bearocratic nightmare is.
YOU LIBS Will FEEL so good about yoursleves.....

Posted by TFDNihilist at 2008-07-04 01:48 PM
Y>.....im joking)

End State Sponsored Segregation...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes
Gays are people too...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, we're still working on that one
Healthcare for all...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, we have a dream
and on into the future because people like you will never get it...

Posted by TFDNihilist at 2008-07-04 01:48 PM

butthat doesnt matter


HOLY SHIT........the runon words.....BUTTHAT>....thats not like a fraudian slip because of the subject being discussed is IT????????????

"HOLY SHIT........the runon words.....BUTTHAT"

That's Butt-hat...They were talkin' 'bout you, son.

"LOL, Dave...'

At least you know who I'm talking about when I refer to bozo.

Well Dumpling, you say Po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to. I can only assume that you've never flown the American flag, if you're waiting for gay marriage to be legal everywhere before doing so.

By the way--it's "asinine". Why the urge to spell it with two ss's?

You can't deny that Boston and Philly led the way.

Posted by TFDNihilist

I live just outside Philly... I've toured all the sights... that's one of my favorite periods in history. But big guy, you claiming that you as a liberal, share anything in common with the liberals of that day is silly...

For fuck's sake, liberals like you today would have been calling for Franklin D. Roosevelt's Impeachment and he was one of this country's greatest president's ever... and on top of that, you would have been doing the same thing to arguably this country's greatest president Abraham Lincoln. So to pretend today's ass pirate liberals have anything to do with the Liberals of even just a few decades ago is laughable.

Rob-
Of course you know that it was the lunatic right-wing that actually called for FDR's impeachment at the time.

Of course you know that it was the lunatic right-wing that actually called for FDR's impeachment at the time.

Posted by BetelG

Of course you can't seriously be trying to convince anyone that if a President today imprisoned thousands of Americans because of the color of their skin you liberals would just let it slide? Be honest... if you and the rest of today's liberals were around in the 1940s youwould all want FDR impeached for what he did to Japanese Americans...

And if you were around in the 1860s you'd want Lincoln impeached for suspending Habeas Corpus.

Come on... be honest.

They didn't want FDR impeached for internment. John Birch assholes thought FDR let pearl harbor happen.

And there's a reason john wilkes booth said "sic semper tyrannus" when he shot lincoln.

Rob-
"Of course you can't seriously be trying to convince anyone that if a President today imprisoned thousands of Americans because of the color of their skin you liberals would just let it slide? Be honest... if you and the rest of today's liberals were around in the 1940s youwould all want FDR impeached for what he did to Japanese Americans..."

Yeah. I would say that was almost an impeachable offense, so long as he got a blow-job, otherwise not.

" if a President today imprisoned thousands of Americans because of the color of their skin "

Not to defend FDR, but he didn't do that. You see, Rob, not all Asian people are Japanese.

Of course you can't seriously be trying to convince anyone that if a President today imprisoned thousands of Americans because of the color of their skin you liberals would just let it slide? Be honest... if you and the rest of today's liberals were around in the 1940s you would all want FDR impeached for what he did to Japanese Americans.

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No, Rob. Democrats can do whatever they want, and libs just cheer wildly.

RightisBush-
You got a lot of fuckin' nerve.

"No, Rob. Democrats can do whatever they want, and libs just cheer wildly."


Unlike dittoheads and Bush cultists.

You got a lot of fuckin' nerve.

Posted by BetelG
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Yep Boyd. And you have a tiny little pecker.

Not to defend FDR, but he didn't do that. You see, Rob, not all Asian people are Japanese.

Posted by nullifidian
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Um, actually he did exactly that. He didn't set up a lot of East Coast internment camps for Italian-Americans and German-Americans. It was only the yellow people he wanted locked up.

Not much has changed, really. In the 1980's and early 1990's, the libs were squawking that it was the Japanese stealing all the union jobs. Now it's the Chinese. In a couple of years it'll be the Indians and the Thais.

"Um, actually he did exactly that. "

Um, no he actually didn't do exactly that. He interned Japanese-Americans, not Chinese-Americans. I understand you guys think they all look-a-like and therefore are the same and all, but they're not.

"Not much has changed, really. In the 1980's and early 1990's, the libs were squawking that it was the Japanese stealing all the union jobs. Now it's the Chinese. In a couple of years it'll be the Indians and the Thais."

I realize a shithead like you can't distinguish between Japanese-Americans and the citizens of the country of Japan. Rightwingers have a difficult time thinking of other ethnic groups as being "real" Americans.

" the libs(sic) were squawking "

Actually it was the management failures blaming the workers.

Then Clinton sold it all to China in the 90's.


(My patents are involved in multiple lawsuits worldwide, however.)



It's been downhill since Ike.

What is ironic is that the founding fathers had absolutely nothing in common with today's liberals, except maybe the fact they liked to drink booze alot.

after all, they went to war with a nation over a TAX that was actually lowered! I think it went from like 6% to 3%. But they went to war because they didn't like the regulation of it. LOL

Wow, now that is a fucking contrast to today's democrats.

Actually, its also ironic, is that what today's democrats want to do is the same god damn thing the british did that caused the freaking revolutionary war.

Tax the shit out of the people.

Ironic.

So you stupid fucking democrats, don't say a god damn thing about the founding fathers, unless your going to say you favored the british, because the british position is your position.

Fuck, if you don't see the light in that, your just fucking stupid.

War over taxes. Of course, democrat don't know jack shit about history, which is why they will never get it, but at least I told them.

LOL

Kuma

"...your just fucking stupid."


And you're an illiterate buffoon.




He interned Japanese Americans, and not Italian Americans or German Americans. He did so because they were Asian, and the Italians and Germans are not.

And the libs went along, as usual. Not a peep of protest.

I recall when the feminists in America used to believe that any relationship between a boss and a subordinate was automatically sexual harassment. Further, that any allegation of rape by a female victim was enough to demand the incarceration of the accused. Then, for some reason, you don't hear much about that anymore. If it's Bob Packwood, he's gotta go. But if the boss is the president, or the accused is a pro-abortion Democrat--A-O-K. You've come a long way, baby.

Baaaaaaah.

I realize a shithead like you can't distinguish between Japanese-Americans and the citizens of the country of Japan.
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Actually, I can tell the difference. It was Roosevelt that couldn't. Thus, the internment camps.

Can't let something like that deter good libs like you from sending him to the White House four times. Demonstrating against things like the Patriot Act? or FISA?--Nah. You guys reserve your outrage over things like that for Republican presidents. Not, mind you, for the Democratic legislators who voted to go along--just for the Republican living in the White House at the time.

Dems lead the way. It was Democratic presidents who kept the slaves in chains. And it was Democrats who, when the bombs fell on Pearl Harbor, reflexively locked up every Japanese American they could find--never mind that we were at war with Germany and Italy, too. You don't think I could tell the difference between Chinese-Americans and Japanese-Americans?

Sure I could. The Chinese were the ones still walking around American streets, and the Japanese were the ones who shops and homes we took, and whose wives and children we locked up.

"Dems lead the way. It was Democratic presidents who kept the slaves in chains."

Take your partisan hackery and shove it up your ass. The only point made was that FDR did not, as was claimed, intern people solely based on skin color. If he did he would've interned Chinese Americans as well.

What he did was a crime, but that's not the issue. And your implication that a Republican president wouldn't had done the same is stupid. Like you.

I'm just treating this Fourth like any other day. My Independence Day celebration will occur on January 20th.

And it was Democrats who, when the bombs fell on Pearl Harbor, reflexively locked up every Japanese American they could find--never mind that we were at war with Germany and Italy, too.--

Over 130,000 Japanese/Japanese-Americans were interned during WWII. Surprisingly, very few in Hawaii where app. 140,00 lived. Less known is that over 11,000 German/Americans and over 1,500 Italian/Americans were also interned.

There was very little opposition in the US to these internments. The main reason was that the Army, not the Roosevelt administration, made the decision to label Japanese as a group whose loyalty should be called into question and had designated all of the West Coast states in their entirety as areas that must be protected from sabotage and espionage. The only large groups which protested were the American Civil Liberties Union, the American Friends Service Committee and the Fair Play Committee. Few individuals protested, like J.Edgar Hoover, Eleanor Roosevelt, Attorney General Biddle, the Governor of Colorado (I forget hisname).

Take your partisan hackery and shove it up your ass. The only point made was that FDR did not, as was claimed, intern people solely based on skin color. If he did he would've interned Chinese Americans as well.
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What a stupid douchebag. He interned Japanese Americans because they were Asians. He did NOT inter Italian- or German-Americans, because they were NOT.

But whatever. I'm one of those guys who's willing to judge a man based on the mood of the time. Which, when applied to the Bob Packwood's or the Jesse Helms of the world, liberals tell me I'm not allowed to do.

So I guess the only conclusion I can draw, is that FDR was a racist. How ironic.

" He did NOT inter Italian- or German-Americans, because they were NOT."

And just after this post, no less.

" Less known is that over 11,000 German/Americans and over 1,500 Italian/Americans were also interned."

Dumbass.

And what did Republicans do to oppose internment? Try to pass a resolution condemning it? No. Try to cut off funds for the camps? No. Speak out against it? No. Typical partisan hack.

Nope. Republicans back then were as useless as the Dems are today.

What he did was a crime, but that's not the issue.

Posted by nullifidian

Oh, no... that's entirely the issue to me... because what roosevelt did was try to protect this nation. Maybe looking back he went too far, but at the time he was doing everything he could to keep America safe. So whenever Democrats try to claim Roosevelt as one of theirs, I'll just laugh and point out that you guys would have been calling for his impeachment... one of our nations greatest presidents ever... you would have wanted thrown from office.

Same with Lincoln... while he was trying to save the nation and reunite us with the south along with free the slaves, you fucking queers would have been crying about Habeas Corpus and begging to lick Cindy Sheehan's Great-Great-Great-Great-Great Grandmother's asshole.

Lincoln fucked up. He should've let those rednecks secede. This country would be a lot better today.

"Oh, no... that's entirely the issue to me..."

No, actually, the issue is whether internment was a bipartisan policy or not. It was.

And I doubt if anybody would've called for impeachment in the middle of a real war, like WW2.

"... in the middle of a real war, like WW2."

Exactly! herm

No, actually, the issue is whether internment was a bipartisan policy or not. It was.

So was Iraq...

And I doubt if anybody would've called for impeachment in the middle of a real war, like WW2.

Posted by nullifidian

Speculation... today's liberals are a new breed, and you have no idea when they would have been calling for FDR's impeachment, but we do know they would have been... and that's fucked up.

And I doubt if anybody would've called for impeachment in the middle of a real war, like WW2.

Posted by nullifidian

also this proves the selective fake outrage of the Left. If there were a real war going on then imprisoning a bunch of asians cuz their eyes are slanty is okay... tells me that you douchebags don't really have a problem with what Bush is doing, just that he has an "R" for a value in the Politics column instead of a "D."

You're the one speculating. Supporters of FDR were every bit as liberal as today's liberals, and they didn't call for impeachment, and you don't have a shred of evidence that today's liberals would be any different.

"also this proves the selective fake outrage of the Left."

What a joke. Since when did the right ever give a damn about racism? Only people on the right have ever suggested the internment of Muslims in response to terrorist attacks.

"Only the right ever suggested interning Muslims in response to terrorist attacks."

I missed that, Null, but rigid righties would call for interning every Afghan and Iraqi soon Iranians) because Saudis protesting Israeli occupation of Palestine cashed planes into buildings.

That's all the terrorism there is, Null. The rest has been inflicted upon our nation by Republicans, who prefer to call it "Homeland Security." herm

Crashed. You knew that. herm

Neo-con extremists push internment for American Muslims

www.finalcall.com

"Religion was formost in the minds of our creator's. It was christian foundations that have made this country great."

Posted by Bozo


As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

From Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli 1797. Unanimously ratified by the U.S. Senate and signed by President John Adams.

www.yale.edu


Supporters of FDR were every bit as liberal as today's liberals

Right... which is why gay marriage and abortion were all enacted into law in 1941...

There is no speculation... If you took today's liberals who call for Bush to be impeached at the drop of a hat, and placed them in the early 1940s where a President imprisoned thousands of Americans who committed no crime only that their heritage was from Japan, they (you) would without question be calling for Franklin Delano Roosevelt's impeachment and imprisonment... no doubt, question or speculation.

"Right... which is why gay marriage and abortion were all enacted into law in 1941... "

Jesus Christ. Don't be so stupid. Those things weren't on the agenda at that time.

" no doubt, question or speculation."

Bullshit. Nothing but speculation.

Jesus Christ. Don't be so stupid. Those things weren't on the agenda at that time.

LOL... so today's liberals are nothing like the liberals of the 1940s? thanks lmao

Bullshit. Nothing but speculation.

Posted by nullifidian

Well either you would be calling for his impeachment, or your just a hack who calls for Bush's because of his political affiliation.

"LOL... so today's liberals are nothing like the liberals of the 1940s? thanks lmao"

Dumbass, the point is those liberals were as liberal in their particular historical context as today's. Idiot.

"Well either you would be calling for his impeachment, or your just a hack who calls for Bush's because of his political affiliation."

Don't tell me what I would be doing in a totally different historical context. I don't know that, how could you, Miss Cleo?

I don't give a fuck what Bush's political affiliation is. Unlike you, I'm not a partisan hack. I criticize Democrats all the time for selling out to your beloved Bush.

Religious Freedom in 16th Century Europe
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, so they leave to a new land...
is this the same libs who became the pilgrims who used to hang witches and punish severly adulterors"

Yes, times were different, morals were different. And I would bet it was the more conservative among them that led the Witch Trials etc...


Breaking with Briton...
Cons...No
Libs...Yes, on with