We can't have poor people who are independent thinkers. They won't vote for Democrats.

The Liberal thought police strike again.

"Teachers' union officials say that a single board member objected to swearing in the book."

"Liberal" thought police? Sounds like Bible-thumping "conservatives" to me.

If you read the whole book you will see...

Well there ya go. Why should she expect "under-performing" students and teat-sucking school board members to read an entire book? Plus it has 'cussin', and foul language makes jesus cry.

Apparently she thinks the book actually had a positive impact on the lads. So that is another reason to strip it from the lesson plan. A teacher of 27 years in a public schools system should have known better.

seriously

swearing?

liberals love books with profanity

its definately bible thumpers

no a "bad" word, RUN!!!!

Vernon

You have it backwards. The board is conservative--not liberal. The teacher is a liberal.

I saw the news video on CNN and the Board Members said they were put there by the public and the public didn't want books with that kind of language taught to their kids. However, 149 of the 150 parents involved gave there written consent for the book to be taught to their child. It seems the school board doesn't know shit about what the community wants.

Restricting books and thought is conservative territory. You think liberals are against books, yet you think the universities are full of liberals--and don't see the conflict.

How about that.

"The union is deciding whether to take the case to court.

The school board denies book banning and accuses Heermann of insubordination. Barbara Thompson, the school board president, wrote in an email yesterday: "She knew she had defied her supervisors' direction in her work and that her defiance was 'insubordination' and 'neglect of duty'."

Talk about a spineless union. and a disingenuous school board.

sorry--their written consent

from out of nowhere an 18 month sentence

wow, the teachers union must be strong

"Vernon

You have it backwards.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-07-03 02:41 PM"

This is news?

"liberals love books with profanity"

The only words they can comprehend.

Make up your mind, Salmon, are liberals "elite" country-club types or do they have comprehension problems?

Yeah accordings to the Conservatives We leftist liberals are all heathens and satan worshippers and all kinds of Ungodly shit. Pray tell why then would Liberals be banning books wih curse words in them?? Hell fucking damn shit I sure the fuck wouldn't.

Larry Mohr

"That was the pivotal moment of my life, when I saw how my students were taken with the book, how they loved it, and then I am told not to let them read it? I said no," she said.

Better check the contract. If the boss says no and you say no to your boss, you better check your contract.

It may suck, but contracts are serious business - unless it's marriage or the UN Charter.

american school system is FUCKED

anybody caught thinking outside of the box
is fired if its the teacher

or suspended if its a student

the message
do as your told! don't question! stepping out of line will result in swift and severe penalties!

In a move of puritan stupidity the school board suspended the teacher for teaching from a book that the parent's had given their permission for her to use -- and even though they banned this book from the classroom, the school's library has he book -- so any student can check out the book at anytime --

Vernon

You have it backwards.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Only because he gets his "marching Orders" from his calculator-and we know how accurate THAT is....

Vernon,

You never fail to disappoint me.

God Bless.

So the only person in this whole story that has a set of balls is the one ignorant shithead on the school board who got his or her way.

"Make up your mind, Salmon, are liberals "elite" country-club types or do they have comprehension problems?"

They are not exclusive. It has gotta be pretty hard to figure anything out when you have paid someone to do your thinking for you for as long as you can remember.

Besides, there are two classes of liberal, those that crave power and those that have been con into believing it is good for them(see lemming.)

What a bunch of knee-jerk jerks. Instead of discussing why this might have been everyone immediately accuses the people responsible of being in the party they aren't in. And so it goes.

Can't you guys think of anything any better than, "nah nah nah nah nah nah. Your side fucked up again".

Makes you wonder on which side of the schoolyard the children are on.

I agree with GOATMAN. What a bunch of whiners. You deter me from reading comments on this blog. But, whatever.

So, back to the teacher getting no pay for 18 months. Pretty stupid way to treat someone who has an important and difficult job, and who apparently still cared about getting through to her students.

Pretty stupid way to treat someone who has an important and difficult job, and who apparently still cared about getting through to her students.

I agree. Especially a 27 year veteran of teaching. The article said she was suspended for insubordination since she was told to not let the kids read the books.

If I was her, I would not have promoted the book anymore, but allowed the kids to keep it. Of course she would not have been able to discuss it, but if it is that good of a book, I'm sure the kids would have finished it as unrequired reading. Especially if it had *gasp* cuss words. *grin*

Teachers' union officials say that a single board member objected to swearing in the book. The school board member allegedly persuaded the other six officials to ban Heermann from teaching the book. It remains available in school libraries.

Dollars to donuts the one objecter here is a conservative.

Wot the fuck is wrong wioth swearing by the way?

They are just noises you make with yer mouth.

Emotional punctuation fer speech or print.

And Hey, it's not like these kids are gonna pick up any new words from reading this book and they may well take away a valuable life lesson or two from their peers so why the hullaballoo?

Spud sez Fark the biatches who made this bullshit decision.

If the book as bad, don't ban it. Just tax the shit out of it and tell everyone the proceeds are going to go to Children's reading programs.

Dollars to donuts the one objecter here is a conservative.

no doubt!!!

After all the objecter was obviously the leader of the group (conservatives usually are) in that they could persuade the other idiots into doing what they wanted making the objecter the smartest one.

Growing up in small town you know everyone and the school board members at our high school were all social butterflies who eventually ran for city council or state rep. Same thing here in Columbia. Naturally they have their constituency, and most are prigs.

These are the same people who wanted to ban Huckleberry Finn. What part of Freedom of Speech don't they understand?

"I thought my students would very much relate to those kids."those students found to be reading a book in the hood would get the shit kicked out of them

"So the only person in this whole story that has a set of balls is the one ignorant shithead on the school board who got his or her way.

Posted by Sully at 2008-07-03 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:"

Welcome to public education.

As an English teacher, I'll say that some of the best stories, particularly those that engage struggling learners, often include potentially controversial subject matter. You know why? Because that's life! And that's what the kids can relate to!

For two years I taught play reading groups as a unit of American Literature. The kids split into groups and read one of the following: Death of a Salesman, Our Town, A Raisin in the Sun, and True West. That last one I had to send out permission slips for, lots of cussing and drinking and smoking and other bad behavior. But the kids who read that could look past that and see how those things create character, mood, atmosphere, theme, etc.

I also once showed the movie Elizabeth without screening it ahead of time. Hello boobs at the end! Oops!

At least these kids are reading. Beats the hell out of
the usual Cornelius, LaTisha & Tyrone can't read.

My word, I can't believe the ignorance from all the posters on this board.

You mean not one of you has ever read the "Freedom Writers Diary."

There is a movie about the teacher and getting this Diary going and was both required at my kids high school.

Talk about declining education, as the education of our school boards decline, so does our childrens education.

I also once showed the movie Elizabeth without screening it ahead of time. Hello boobs at the end! Oops!

~Dylanfan

Mmmm, Elizabethan Boobage!

Boobs are good!

Wot were we talking about again?

Spud is fergit now.

Be Well.

After suspending the teacher, the board passed out 40's and crack to the students.

The kids should be reading the classics instead of that liberal crap. The students should be learning Greek, Latin and memorizing passages from Shakespeare. They need to know that people from far away places and times had the same feelings, ideas and experiences in their lives. They need to know about the wonderful history of Weatern civilization. Libs want to hold those children back, chain them down and put nanacles on their minds.

Posting drunk again fwthom?

I agree. Especially a 27 year veteran of teaching.

Yeah, if it was a 2 year teacher than by all mean suspend.

We really are beginning to face a crisis in this country of these conservative nit wits deciding what should be taught in public schools. It is our own fault, they have been out there running for school board, running for State Rep. etc. and we face a crisis of ignorance due to our non-involvement in the system. It is time to take the country back from the conservative forces of ignorance and greed and I hope Obama wins but really the main battle is on the local level where conservatives have participated while us libs have not. How many who post here have ever aspired to any office? We have many intelligent voices, surely a few could get involved and make a real difference. If we don't then the right will win because they do get involved.

We can't have poor people who are independent thinkers. They won't vote for Democrats.

The Liberal thought police strike again.

Posted by vernon

Nice try, ass-lick. It's YOUR side that bans books, you ignorant hick. :-)

Teachers and the teachers union are why we have several generations of students who can't read, write or do arithmetic. After we bust the teacher's union and get rid of those stupid teachers we can get back to basics: phonics, flashcards, and the classics.

Ranting Thom

"Children,it's time for science class; open your Bibles to the Book of Genesis, Chapter 1."

Yep, it is those teacher unions.

I am just trying to figure out how the teacher unions set core education curriculum.

At least these kids are reading. Beats the hell out of
the usual Cornelius, LaTisha & Tyrone & VERNON can't read.

Teachers and the teachers union are why we have several generations of students who can't read, write or do arithmetic

didn't FW claim he was a teacher? Explains a lot.

As parents we are all our children's first teachers. I am still trying to fill in the huge gaps in my children's education, because they attended government schools the entire time. Even though one son is an MD and one is a PhD. Now I have to help teach my three grandsons. Thanks for your interest, NORTHGUY.

Thom,
Speaking as a high school teacher, it's near-impossible to teach classics to 16 year olds with third grade reading levels.

I support the classics. I taught Titus Andronicus to a class of failing freshmen in summer school with the same intention you suggested earlier -- show them that the human experience hasn't changed all that much in the last 500 years.

But many of these kids struggle to even create complete sentences. Whatever the cause, reverting to teaching them Latin and Greek (wherever THAT came from?), etc., is not going to solve the problem.

Additionally, who is it who says that the classics are more worthy of being read than modern material? There is certainly dissectable, valuable, quality reading material being created by modern writers.

There are a few things my employer asks of me, that I think is unnecessary and stupid too, even things I disagree with. And I'm always free to seek employment elsewhere.

RiR,

I'm not trying to sound condascending when I say this, it just doesn't translate into type well:

Teaching is not like other jobs in that if you don't like something, you just up and leave. You create more of a bond between yourself and the community you serve. This woman had made inroads with difficult students by teaching material that spoke to them. She had the support of her principal, her students' parents, and presumably the students themselves. One board member objected and suddenly she's an outcast.

It seems like one person's morality has become more important than all other considerations.

They need to know that people from far away places and times had the same feelings, ideas and experiences in their lives.

Wow! A post that is not only obvious but oblivious.

Obvious as in you didn't read the book or watch the movie.

Oblivious as in that you didn't read the article or you would have known that those high school students are now in college and learning Shakespeare.

I have a challenge for anyone who thinks they understand the moral of the Tragedies, so I stand on MY education and my assessment of this book, the movie, and the result.

Know Thy Self and to Thy Self be True.

Then you can wander around all you like.

DYLANFAN,

I agreed with you until your last thought. The classics are still here because they have stood the test of time. Most modern literature is only fit as fire starting material. You do have good taste in music though. People will be listening to Bob Dylan 500 years from now, I'm sure.

I'm going to vommit in my mouth if I hear one more time how much more important Teachers, Cops, and Firemen are to the community and that the contributions of average joe are any less important.

I know many teachers and If you want to know where your kids learn the 'clicks' and how to Ostracize others just take a good look at your average teacher; you know, the one that has never left the system. K-12, College, teacher with no outside world experience.

Let's just raise the hell out of teacher salaries and make it competitive as hell - you know where we get the best and brightest?

She was told no - she pushed and lost; however, I do believe the book should be allowed. Rant over.

oops... meant "Vomit" - I do want to take a moment and thank my typing teacher.

aaaassssddddfffjjjkkklll - best class I ever took in Jr. High.

"Let's just raise the hell out of teacher salaries and make it competitive as hell - you know where we get the best and brightest?"

Agreed. Why shouldn't teachers get paid as much as lawyers if their job is so important?

Higher wages get higher quality. Isn't that what the free market fundies preach? Why won't they apply that principle to public school teachers?

I noticed Vernon didn't come back after his initial comments.

I wonder why that is.

Good thing there are other internet sources besides "The Guardian":

"I am still trying to fill in the huge gaps in my children's education, because they attended government schools the entire time. Even though one son is an MD and one is a PhD"

Did it ever occur to you that they are just humoring you when they "listen"?

As to the decay of public education didn't the whole evolution/ID "debate" clue you guys in yet? This is what happens when we have educational decisions made by people who aren't in the position to make them (I'm assuming that to be the case with this woman as they don't mention any relevant credentials outside of being a school board member).

Talk about a spineless union. and a disingenuous school board.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine
* * * *

You forgot someone. A big bunch of administrators who are also disingenuous and overpaid. Oh--and members of the same teachers' union this woman is in.

Almost always two sides to the story. If you want teachers to be able to present to their classes anything they want without having the districts look over their shoulders, you need to be prepared for teachers bringing in books about Intelligent Design, among other things. If no, you can't have teachers like this running around with a curriculum that hasn't been approved.

So that's the way it is.

This is what happens when we have educational decisions made by people who aren't in the position to make them (I'm assuming that to be the case with this woman as they don't mention any relevant credentials outside of being a school board member).

Posted by jpw
* * * *

That's a big assumption, considering many school board members were former educators themselves. And what do you do about the fact that, according to the school district's attorney, four levels of administration decided the book was inappropriate for her class?

I'm curious, though--just how many articles have you ever read which lists a person's credentials? And, frankly, isn't the fact that the school board decided, enough? People in Congress know less about my industry and my business than I do, but I can't simply refuse to follow the law, just because they're a bunch of dumbasses.

That's a big assumption, considering many school board members were former educators themselves. And what do you do about the fact that, according to the school district's attorney, four levels of administration decided the book was inappropriate for her class?

It clearly sounds like there is a problem in the first place. Why would the school board memebers already have their attorney answering the questions. What is the problem, certainly doesn't sound like it is coming from the parents but from the board member.

Setting up for a large court battle before the issue even became large, I suspect the parents are siding with the teacher and this board member is being protected by district attorney.

It's not the district attorney. It's the school's district attorney. There's a difference.

I love fights like this, actually--it pits one bunch of unionized educators against another, with both sides too dim to realize they're the biggest part of the same problem.

Excuse me. It's the school district's attorney. Apologies.

RightisRight-
You're a teacher?

Yes RIR it is the school district attorney.

I suspect the teachers union getting involved means the school district didn't follow their own policies.

The teachers union doesn't make policies for the district but they make the district follow their own policies.

RightisRight-
You're a teacher?

Posted by BetelG
* * * *

Nope. But mom and dad, two aunts, two uncles, and three cousins.

Are they gov't teachers?

Are they gov't teachers?

I have a cousin who teaches HS government.

They're public school teachers, if that's what you mean. So what?

I thought the public schools were bad...y'know,...sucking off the public teat and teaching kids to be effeminate commies, etc.

Maybe where you went.

Not at all. That's just what I hear from the right. Like every day.

I thought the public schools were bad...y'know,...sucking off the public teat and teaching kids to be effeminate commies, etc.

Mine wasn't like that, either

Goatman-
You and RisR can't possibly support public education.

"Good thing he wasn't a scholar at a university presenting scientific evidence that suggested an innate difference in the human sexes....

...or in the intelligence level of colored folks...

...or in the idea that social conditioning and personal choices are the impetus for faggotry and other perverted behaviors."

Ah...I'd heard about a resurgence of the Taliban, but I had no idea it had gone this far.

You and RisR can't possibly support public education.

Posted by BetelG

* * * *

My tax bills beg to differ.

You'll have to excuse Mao. The scientific method was lost to his forbears and he was plunged into a dark age of tribalism and fear. Virtual whiskey bottle in his virtual hand, he rants obscenities at the local kids..something about spics and niggers and "get off my lawn"...

RightisRight-
Until you teach children, as someone must, I'm sure your gov't teacher relatives will understand your reluctance to pay them as the merely temporary stupidity that it surely is.

I'm afraid your douchebaggery is getting the better of you. When did I ever say they shouldn't be paid? Is reading comprehension a challenge for you?

RightisRight-
You don't believe they should negotiate for their pay by organizing?

forbears

Good ole public education.

You're a winner, Boyd.

You should feel good about yourself, Boyd.

No matter what.

You're special.

I'm gonna give you a spelling trophy.

'Cause it doesn't really matter how you spell something. At the end of the day, all that really matters is that you feel good about yourself and come away from the DR experience with an elevated level of self-esteem.

Public education rawks.

"My tax bills beg to differ."

You do whine about it, RiR

We have a schoolmarm in Pinche, and don't we all need one?

(...I'm not sure if "schoolmarm" is a real word, but I'm trying to catch a second glimpse of the ...oh....shhhh....

They can organize all they like. What difference does it make to me?

What's funny is that you have the administrators on one side (unionized--can't be fired without spending a fortune) and a wayward teacher on the other (unionized--can't be fired without spending a fortune). Seems to me that in such an instance, the union should be paying for both sides' court costs. So here we have a teacher who thought she knew more than her unionized useless bureaucratic administrators, and "four layers of administrators" (ask yourself how THAT'S possible--four layers? In a town I've never heard of?) thought they knew more than a unionized teacher who failed to adhere to their silly regimen.

Hear that cash register, in the background? That's the citizens of Perry Township, Indiana, paying for all this foolishness, while the kids go back to reading Curious George and listening to their i-Pod's during class.

RightisRight-
What was the objection to the book?

I don't know. I don't care either. They said it was inappropriate for her class, told her to gather the books back up, and she refused. Were I to do such a thing at my job, I would be risking termination too. And I don't have a union that would be beating the drum on my behalf.

My question: What was the objection to the book?

Your answer: I don't know. I don't care either. They said it was inappropriate for her class, told her to gather the books back up, and she refused.

Are you really an authoritarian? The only issue to you is that she allegedly disobeyed orders?

Think about that, and find out what the objection to the book was.

"That's a big assumption, considering many school board members were former educators themselves."

It was a big assumption and I was wrong. It appears that most of the members are current/former educators.

Hear that cash register, in the background?

Notice that Education became a major study in the early 60s with the advent of Doctorate degrees. Since then it's been downhill. Naturally they flock to Principle and then Administrator, enlarging their domain and then slicing it up amongst themselves while addressing each other as Doctor.

At the universities it's publish or perish so the hangers-on write the books and lesson plans that fail to teach.

"Hear that cash register, in the background? That's the citizens of Perry Township, Indiana, paying for all this foolishness, while the kids go back to reading Curious George and listening to their i-Pod's during class."

It seems this current school board has been hijacked by four members who are really pissing people off.

Are you really an authoritarian? The only issue to you is that she allegedly disobeyed orders?

Think about that, and find out what the objection to the book was.

Posted by BetelG

* * * *

I wonder if your open-mindedness extends to teachers who don't want to teach evolution, or who would give out information on Intelligent Design in biology class.

I'm betting no. When it comes to that stuff, I'll bet you're a jack-booted authoritarian.

Frankly, I couldn't care less. If some enclave in Indiana wants to set themselves up and have four layers of bureaucracy decide on any curriculum changes, then that's what they've decided is best. And teachers who feel otherwise are free to work somewhere else, as they should. I'm funny that way--let the communities decide what standards they want. If Berkeley wants to throw out the Marines, go ahead. If Boston wants to elect criminals to the mayor's office, buyer beware. And if Indiana wants to decide that this book, and not that one, should be taught to high school seniors as part of their credited curriculum, fair enough. Live and let live. Why can't you?

Are you really an authoritarian? The only issue to you is that she allegedly disobeyed orders?

Apparently, somebody doesn't live in the real world.

What do you do for a living, Boyd (if anything)?

Funny how right wingers consider it jack booted authoritarianism when they are not allowed to teach Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy as scientific fact in our public schools.

"I wonder if your open-mindedness extends to teachers who don't want to teach evolution, or who would give out information on Intelligent Design in biology class. "

Apples and oranges.

An english teacher choosing books based on the perceived interest level amongst his or her students is purely subjective and would vary from teacher to teacher.

A science teacher choosing to teach his or her students a non-scientific "alternative" to a cornerstone theory of modern biology due to their own personal beliefs is quite different.

It seems this current school board has been hijacked by four members who are really pissing people off.
* * * *

Well, that's what elections are for. The School Board drives people crazy here too, forcing the good citizens to choose between the overpaid school board members and the very overpaid superintendent.

But this story is different, and boils down to something pretty simple: will the school board support their principals and administrators, or not? If no, why have them? No matter what school district this took place in, the teacher is gone. Bye bye, thanks for playing. My ex-wife is one of these silly curriculum administrators, and they take their jobs very, very seriously. The idea that a teacher can just show up and teach something she thinks is beneficial to her students is as anachronistic as the horse-drawn carriage and the one-room schoolhouse. It's all teachers unions and bureaucrats now.

"I wonder if your open-mindedness extends to teachers who don't want to teach evolution, or who would give out information on Intelligent Design in biology class. "

Your mind extends to the point just before facts could inform your opinion, as you have no idea the source of the offense in this book, but only that the train didn't run on time.

A science teacher choosing to teach his or her students a non-scientific "alternative" to a cornerstone theory of modern biology due to their own personal beliefs is quite different.

Posted by jpw
* * *

What if the students ask for it? What if the parents do? What if the teacher believes it will help them to understand it better? Plenty of good science in ID--much of it was postulated by top physicists and astronomers, after all.

But there ya go. No room for this kind of dissension in the hard sciences, where I thought that free inquiry was of most import.

It's hardly apples and oranges. If a majority of the parents want creationism taught, and the principal goes along, should they be able to have it taught in a district that has already decided to teach Darwinian Evolution?

He fucks your wife, like all the other black guys in texas.

Never heard of a moth fluttering to a light and then bitching that it's too hot.

Funny dat be.

BetelG is Boyd?

Wow. I think this is the longest he's ever gone without asking me how much money I make.

Fair enough, Boyd. I think any teacher should be allowed to teach whatever she wants, and not get fired for it. Okay? If an algebra teacher feels like talking about the Protestant Reformation for a couple of days, or the English Composition teacher wants to spend a week on surface tension and the suspension of molecules in liquid, they should be able to do whatever the hell they want.

RightisRight-
You don't even know what this teacher was trying to teach. I don't think your reflexive subservience to authority is what Jefferson had in mind.

After all the shit you talked about boyd's wife, I figure you're owed one, pinche.

But I'll leave the little lady alone. She's got enough problems. Two baby assholes to wipe, for starters.

I'm not subservient to anything. I believe in the freedom of contract. This is the way we do things here, and if you don't like it, you're free to find your happiness somewhere else.

Personally, I think she should sue. She sounds like she has a colossal sense of self-importance and rectitude, and the unionized bureaucrats who run the administrator's offices are overdue an expensive lesson. Who are they, to tell teachers what they can, and can't, teach? What, do they think they run the school or something? Lawyer up! That make you happy? That what I want is for one union member to sue several? Because that's what I think should happen. Justice never sleeps!!! Free Heermann!!

Please, let me know if there will be a candlelight vigil. I'll take a couple of weeks off.

"Plenty of good science in ID--much of it was postulated by top physicists and astronomers, after all."

HAHA thanks for that I needed a good laugh. There is plenty of non-science in ID and if it's physics and astronomy then it has no place in a biology class. By the way, care to say which "top" physicists and astronomers support ID?

"But there ya go. No room for this kind of dissension in the hard sciences, where I thought that free inquiry was of most import. "

There's plenty of room for dissension in hard science and it is rewarded when one dissents and is right. There is, however, this little nagging requirement for a thing called data that ID lacks.

No one is preventing students from asking questions. Besides, free inquiry doesn't mean one can introduce any half assed alternative hypothesis that has zero empirical evidence and tons of personal beliefs and faith.

"If a majority of the parents want creationism taught, and the principal goes along, should they be able to have it taught in a district that has already decided to teach Darwinian Evolution?"

NO. Choosing books and literature that reflects the lessons you want your children to learn is a subjective process. There is no subjective choice with regards to science, especially at the high school age where students begin to obtain some of the more difficult basic knowledge required to understand how the world works around them.

Where's pinche? Was it time to milk the bulls?

RightisRight-
LOL. You still have cited no objection to the book, but are painstakingly reciting the importance of following all instructions from your betters, without reflection or even understanding of the facts.

The founders would be turning over in their graves were they to see you argue thus on this day.

NO. Choosing books and literature that reflects the lessons you want your children to learn is a subjective process. There is no subjective choice with regards to science, especially at the high school age where students begin to obtain some of the more difficult basic knowledge required to understand how the world works around them.

Posted by jpw
* * * *

Ah. Well, it was in my grandfather's lifetime that eugenics was once considered "settled science", in much the same way that global warming is today--and one day won't be. I believe in the Big Bang, but many astronomers and astrophysicists do not.

But you make my point for me. School districts have a right to decide what is taught, and what is not. If the teacher disagrees, there are other places to go. If the parents disagree, ditto.

The founders would be turning over in their graves were they to see you argue thus on this day.

Posted by BetelG
* * * *

Uh huh. I'm sure the founders would be devastated to hear that I don't give a damn why a teacher got fired for using a book that she was told not to use. In fact, they might not have bothered to fight the revolution at all.

For that matter, the teacher herself doesn't even seem to care. Why should you?

After all the shit you talked about boyd's wife, I figure you're owed one, pinche.

Well you sure showed me!

I'll think about how I treat others from now on.

By the way, you got a little Betel "Juice" on yer chin there.

*wipe*

There ya go, Sport.

I'll think about how I treat others from now on.

Well all be glad when you start thinking instead of hating.

"Well, it was in my grandfather's lifetime that eugenics was once considered "settled science""

And at that time they had practically zero knowledge of genetics. Notice this was in your grandfather's time? It's no longer accepted science because the accumulation of knowledge showed it to be false. Evolution has stood this test of time and, in fact, grows stronger with time as evidence accumulates.

"I believe in the Big Bang, but many astronomers and astrophysicists do not."

But are their objections based on personal beliefs and faith or inconsistencies in the available data?

"But you make my point for me. School districts have a right to decide what is taught, and what is not. If the teacher disagrees, there are other places to go. If the parents disagree, ditto."

Did I say the teacher shouldn't have been punished? Maybe she will go somewhere else so she can teach a book she thinks is useful for her students.

JPW, why do you waste your energy trying to reason with a dishonest and offensive person like Pinche? Recognize him for the lowlife he is, and move on.

Evolution has stood this test of time and, in fact, grows stronger with time as evidence accumulates

Unless you're discussing race-based intelligence levels or sex-based behaviors.

Pinche, does anyone like you? Can anyone stand you?

Pinche, does anyone like you? Can anyone stand you?

Your wife just text me for the 9th time this hour.

Pinche, does anyone like you? Can anyone stand you?

Your wife just text me for the 9th time this hour.

Oops.

Got the "send" button and the mouse mixed up.

Your wife just text me for the 9th time this hour.

Her kid wants his baseball back, old man.

Man, Pinche has a large case of 'anusitis'.

Seems to be really prevalent in 20-something Republicans.

...old man.

...20-something Republicans.

Wow.

Two monkeys trying to fuck a football.

Two cows getting fucked by the trust fund "cowboy".

Oh, sorry...that's saturday night.

"But you make my point for me. School districts have a right to decide what is taught, and what is not. If the teacher disagrees, there are other places to go. If the parents disagree, ditto."

Posted by rightisright at 2008-07-04 02:02 AM

RIR makes my point about all rights coming from the government. If the people don't like it--get the fuck out.

In this case the school board is the government. The school board takes no interest in the student or the parents wishes, or the educational benefits involved. The school board has the final say and they intend everyone to know it.

What part of Freedom of Speech don't they understand?

Posted by OzarkAggie at 2008-07-03 04:22 PM | Reply

Students in grade school and high school do not have Freedom of Speech on school grounds or during school-sponsored functions.

What part of SCOTUS don't you understand?

I noticed Vernon didn't come back after his initial comments.

I wonder why that is.

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-07-03 11:16 PM | Reply

I'm sure that you imagine me running and hiding from your devastating attacks.

Sorry, crank, but it was a holiday and I spent it with friends and family, not dicking around online with a bunch of losers, arguing pointlessly.

I opened the thread with an incendiary comment to get things moving.

The teacher should have left it to the parents to protest. She was insubordinate. Fire her stubborn behind.

She was told to wait for a decision before using the book. She didn't. She deserves the suspension on the grounds of insubordination. Not sure why teachers continue to expect they have some divine right to ignore the rules set up by the administrators for whom they work... in the real world that gets you outright fired. Even in the sheltered 6-hour-day, 9-months-a-year work environment of teachers, it has to carry some consequences.