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A Texas judge halted the execution date of the state's longest-serving death row prisoner so that a court may consider DNA testing of additional evidence. Lester Bower, 60, has been on death row since 1984 after being convicted of killing four men in an airplane hangar near Sherman.

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We should have strangled him before his trial. would have saved everybody a lot of effort.

The Drudge Right

This one has to have the righties up in arms.

Having to pay for 24 years.

Why couldn't they just kill him in the courtroom?

Roy...not in the court room...but a limit of 5 years, 5 appeals, and your done and dusted.

I will say that to get the death penalty the bar should be raised that a DNA match is required.

So raise the bar with DNA but once it is met - killem and get it overwith and stop paying for them.

The "culture of life" must be so disappointed he has not been offed yet.

Joe Horn, get your shotgun loaded, we have another job for you!

I will say that to get the death penalty the bar should be raised that a DNA match is required.
Posted by foshaffer

Maybe the first time I've agreed with you... though I can't sign off on the rest of your position.


The "culture of life" must be so disappointed he has not been offed yet.

Posted by 726 at 2008-07-03 11:53 AM | Reply

Yet another pathetic attempt to equate abortion with capital punishment.

This human filth killed four people. The 'culture of life' expects him to pay the ultimate price for his crime, you dumbass bigot.

This human filth killed four people.
And OJ killed nobody.


The question is, what about the other people fingered and the possible DNA evidence?

How could it have taken a quarter-century before police in Texas considered testing the DNA of cigarette butts and hair found at the scene of a quadruple murder? That doesn't give you much confidence they got the right guy.

.but a limit of 5 years, 5 appeals, and your done and dusted.

Great idea! Unless you're on the prisoners exonerated by DNA after spending more than 5 years on death row.

I can only imagine what it's like going out to lunch with these guys on the right.

They're so worried about paying for things,

Do they ever pickup the check?

How could it have taken a quarter-century before police in Texas considered testing the DNA of cigarette butts and hair found at the scene of a quadruple murder? That doesn't give you much confidence they got the right guy.

Agreed.

Also, who kills 4 people (including law enforcement folk) fer a 4,000 dollar ultralight anyway?

That plus the fact that someone else came forward after the fact and sed that the four men were killed in a drug deal gone wrong.

Gives you pause right there.

An AP story, RCade?

Do we haff "guidelines" yet?

Spud musta missed 'em.

Be Well.

/On a side note, Spud never trusts ultralight aircraft. They look like a lawn mower chasing patio furniture across the sky.

How could it have taken a quarter-century before police in Texas considered testing the DNA of cigarette butts and hair found at the scene of a quadruple murder? That doesn't give you much confidence they got the right guy.

Posted by rcade

It wasn't until the 90's before you could obtain a DNA profile... getting it accepted as conclusive evidence in court was difficult... many juries did not trust it, seemed like hocus pocus to them.

How could it have taken a quarter-century before police in Texas considered testing the DNA of cigarette butts and hair found at the scene of a quadruple murder?

It's Texas, for God's sake.

The question is, what about the other people fingered and the possible DNA evidence?

Posted by northguy3

Don't confuse Vernon with the fact that this man may very well be innocent. That will destroy his near perfect nirvana of black and white realities that no jury, judge or prosecutor ever makes a mistake.

Of course Vernon takes the knee jerk position that I think that murderers should not be punished for their crimes. Just another thing he is wrong about. But hey, that is what happens when you let your emotional need for revenge do the talking.

So Vern, anyone ever been convicted of a crime wrongly? How can any human being call for the murder of another human being if their is even a remote possibility of them being innoncent? I guess your hate and rage get the better of you though.

"I can only imagine what it's like going out to lunch with these guys on the right.

They're so worried about paying for things,

Do they ever pickup the check?"


'I only had the soup and a water.'


It's Texas, for God's sake.

Posted by northguy3

You are gonna hurt Goatman's feelings. She might cry.

you dumbass bigot.

I don't know how you get that from my post, but keep on feeling your rage and hate.

God bless your little heart.

Maybe you need some more watermelon.

An AP story, RCade?

I linked to the story with my own headline and a summary that's not a copy of AP's lead.

I can only imagine what it's like going out to lunch with these guys on the right.


They're so worried about paying for things,


Do they ever pickup the check?"


They just put it on their grandkids' credit card. If it's a good enough way to fight a war...

...longer than Bush has been a recovering alcoholic and cocaine addict.

Celine - Thanks - I will move you to the side of the righteous - one point at a time.

Alexand - you obviously just ignored the 2nd point in the post just to disagree.

Nut - well named.

North..we pick up the check - and we can BECAUSE we worry about the government absconding with OUR money (not theirs) to feed scum like this for 24 years.

(I rather pay for your dinner than his any day of the week...even if you are a commie bastard at heart :))

Fo- not disagree with you, but anyone seriously espousing your 1st point without adding the 2nd. I hear it a lot around here.

Sorry if you thought I was pickin on you.

Wonders what Y'all would do if this was Your brother father uncle or even YOURSELVES. and You knew they or YOU were innocent. Would You feel the same way as You do now?? Or hell what if it were the exact same people and they were guilty as sin. Would You still support the Death Penalty and the killing of one of YOUR loved ones?? Just curious.

Larry

If one of my own was stupid enough to pull a stunt like that and kill two police officers - I would kiss them on the head, tell them that I loved them and sorry that I failed them in some way.....and pull the trigger on them myself.

Greater love hath no Man than that he put a bullet in the heads of his own flesh and blood.

That is what the Good Book says, isn't it?

Wonders what Y'all would do if this was Your brother father uncle or even YOURSELVES. and You knew they or YOU were innocent

Relatives always 'know' that their loved one is inoocent, Larry. How many times to you ever see a mom on TV saying, "Yep, I know my son raped and killed that girl"?

If it was me, whether I was innocent or not, I'd beg 'em to let me ride the needle rather than stay incarcerated. I'd stop all appeals and roll up my sleeve.

FoShaffer then You would be no better than they were. Congratulations then You too would be a murderer.

Larry

Goatman I pray to God that doesn't happen to You but I would be willing to bet You wouldn't be so eager for the needle.

Larry

Nope ..not a murder...You asked if I was willing to execute someone for a crime they committed - the answer is yes...that is not murder..that is not vengence ..that is justice for the family and friends of the police officer and the others.

A very good friend of mine - police officer - was killed AT THE POLICE STATION when a kid, hopped up on something, armed to the teeth with illegal guns purchased by his father (and left out in the open) (the father also provided the drugs) and having been released from the mental institution (as the liberals have created laws where it is impossible to get someone committed) - drove into the parking lot and opened up killing my buddy and another detective.

I shared and witnessed the pain, loss of this wonderful guy. Yes..been my son that did that ..yes I would take him out.

People make thier own decisions and must live by the consequences...and that is what separates you and the others on the left from the people on the right...you do not believe people should be held accountable for their own decisions...we do.

"you do not believe people should be held accountable for their own decisions...we do.

Posted by foshaffer"

Well, actually we believe we are a nation of laws, and that it is not the individual's "decision" to just take someone out.

This human filth killed four people. The 'culture of life' expects him to pay the ultimate price for his crime, you dumbass bigot.

Posted by vernon at 2008-07-03 12:06 PM

hmmm if we had aborted that baby way back then we wouldn't have to kill him now would we?

Just a thought there Vern...

Another thought you may have not considered is that he may actually be innocent.


"This human filth killed four people.

Posted by vernon at 2008-07-03 12:06 PM"

He did not - he killed four Texans.

This is the incontrovertible flaw in the death penalty. You can't undo it if the wrong man is executed. The fact that hundres of men have spent years, even decades, on death row, only to be exonerated by technologies undreamed of at the time of the crime indicates that shortening the period between conviction and sentence only increases the number of innocent men who will be killed.

Nobody does DNA studies (or any other reviews) on people after they have been executed. Not only is there no point to it, but the minimal resources for this kind of work are better spent on those who can still be saved, and, in many states, after the execution, the evidence is tossed in the garbage bin.

The most common cause of a wrongful conviction is mistaken (or suborned) eye-witness testimony. Every attorney knows how unreliable this is, but also knows that it flat-out sells the case to the jury. There was a case of a man who was convicted of rape on the eye-witness testimony of the victim - his cousin. She, of all people, should have been capable of making an accurate identification. But, after 8 years in jail, his DNA was finally compared to the DNA taken from her rape kit, and it turned out he didn't commit the rape.

The second most common cause of wrongful conviction is malfeasance on the part of the prosecution, which conceals exculpatory evidence, makes deals for shorter sentences with sleazeballs for testimony ("Members of the jury, this witness, 'Icepick' McGurk, killed three people over a $50.00 drug ripoff, but he would NEVER stoop to lying under oath, even to get his life sentence shortened.").

He did not - he killed four Texans.

No he didn't. He killed four Okies.

Do you ever get it right?

"No he didn't. He killed four Okies."

.Is there a difference?


"Do you ever get it right?"

.Yes. Here: "Goat's surprised because he's been rubbing the little blue pill on his tiny cock for months, wondering why it doesn't seem to work."

This human filth killed four people.

~Vermin

He did not - he killed four Texans.

~MOntecOre

No he didn't. He killed four Okies.

~Goatse

Actually, this article querstions whether or not he killed anyone. He may have just been an unlucky sunuvabitch who some lazy-assed cops collared fer a crime he didn't commit.

Not the first time.

Be Well.

.Yes. Here: "Goat's surprised because he's been rubbing the little blue pill on his tiny cock for months, wondering why it doesn't seem to work."

My question is as poignant as ever:

www.drudge.com

Not only do you like to frequently fantasize about people being gay, you sure do like to talk about penises a lot, too.

Do you have a secret you'd like to share with the class, m'boor? As I said in the link, your obsession with penises and gays is really, really weird. It seems too you seem more fascinated with my penis more than any one else's on the DR.

Please, m'boor -- get yourself laid. There are plenty of guys out there (I understand about 1 in 10) who will say "yes". Then you won't have to fantasize on a blog about straight people being gay and other people's penises.

Just a suggestion.

"Goat's surprised because he's been rubbing the little blue pill on his tiny cock for months, wondering why it doesn't seem to work."

At least he no longer thinks it's a suppository.

Be Well.

/4 out of 5 proctologists surveyed reccomended sugarless suppositories for their patients who chew suppositories.

At least he no longer thinks it's a suppository.

And then we have the weirdo who likes to think about me sticking pills up my butt.

m'boor, maybe you and spud can hook up.

Well if it was Texans or Okies, it sure shouldn't be a crime.

Goat, my fat little buddy, I just figure out what gets under certain posters' skin and then use it on them. If making fun of your little member didn't provoke an amusing reaction from you, every single time, I wouldn't do it. But it is one of the chains I yank because it makes you bark, and you have a funny bark.

I just figure out what gets under certain posters' skin and then use it on them

That's as good excuse as any to cover up your sexual deviancies.

...and you have a funny bark

probably because I'm not a dog.

I just figure out what gets under certain posters' skin and then use it on them

BTW, what you fantacize about does not get under my skin in the least. Continue pretending Fox newsmen are gay (did that get under their skin when you told us about that, btw?) and who has tiny dicks. But don't flatter yourself by thinking it bothers me.

Now if your fantasies run amok and end up at my front door, we have a different situation to deal with, of course. And remember, I live in Texas.

Oh, don't worry, Goatboob - I haven't forgotten that you fancy yourself an Internet Tough Guy. I'm shivering with fear, old fat guy.

"probably because I'm not a dog.

Posted by goatman at 2008-07-03 06:34 PM"

You're right - it's really more of a bleat than a bark. Baaaaa!

I haven't forgotten that you fancy yourself an Internet Tough Guy.

Better than the internet closet queer, I reckon.

Better than the internet closet queer, I reckon.

Not much, internet masterbation in total singularity.

Solution:Trade Bush & Cheney for Lester Bower!

How about an interesting (and definitively a progressive) "Trade"? Why not put Lester Bower in the White House and declare him President then let Bush and Cheney take up Lester's crib on death row? I believe a majority of Americans would declare that Lester Brown could not possibly do as bad a job running America as Bush & Cheney have! It would be a win-win move!

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