Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

When President George W. Bush went to his first Group of Eight summit in 2001, a dominant issue was the dollar -- the strong dollar, that is. The U.S. currency was on a record-setting streak, and the free-marketeering president wasn't going to stand in the way. The dollar's 41 percent drop against the euro during Bush's term writes the economic epitaph of an administration that set out to restore American preeminence.

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"Sagging faith in the dollar -- it now makes up 63 percent of global currency reserves, down from 71 percent when Bush took office -- complicates efforts to tame commodity prices because they are primarily denominated in the U.S. currency.

America's dependence on imported capital to finance a $9.5 trillion debt -- up from $5.7 trillion when Bush took office -- has driven down the currency. The decline was accelerated by the subprime crisis that plunged the U.S. into an economic tailspin."

Thanks George!

Bush represents the worst-performing economy in the G-8 after Italy,



Yikes.


Let's see now. Didn't McCain admit during the debate season that he really didn't know a lot about economics?

Why, he sounds like a fabulous choice.

"Didn't McCain admit during the debate season that he really didn't know a lot about economics?"

He sure did. Of course Tuesday during an interview he denied he ever said it. Poor old soul still doesn't grasp the concept of video and audio tape, let alone the Google, and YouTube.

So yes, he's exactly what we need to reverse the trend, someone who doesn't understand economics, and is either a liar or senile to boot!

Last night I was watching Jeopardy (bear with me, this is related to the dollar, trust me) and Alex Trebek was commenting on the fact that the returning champion (a guy from Toronto) had won US$28,401 the previous day. He said that in the past that would have been about CAN$35,000 or CAN$36,000, but that now it would be just CAN$16.50. Funny, and sad at the same time.

(Incredibly enough, the guy from Toronto won another US$28,401 last night which means he now has CAN$33.

And if he does that 4 more times he'll have enough to buy gas to drive home.

**** Let's see now. Didn't McCain admit during the debate season that he really didn't know a lot about economics?
Why, he sounds like a fabulous choice.
Posted by TedBaxter *****

.......fabulous choice ??......no......but a consistent one.......

......in keeping with the Republican goal of eliminating that pesky middle class.........

SanAntonioRogue , there is more than one way to skin a cat:

www.thesmokinggun.com

sign of the times.

Hey I wonder if that's some of Lisa Nowack's relation member.

Larry

I'm sure that the actions and inaction of congress have nothing to do with this either.


"Didn't McCain admit during the debate season that he really didn't know a lot about economics?"


He sure did. Of course Tuesday during an interview he denied he ever said it. Poor old soul still doesn't grasp the concept of video and audio tape, let alone the Google, and YouTube.


Hey McBatshit they have this new device called the moving picture camera that records your image and words.

What do you expect from a tired old coot that does not even use a computer.

McBatshit....crazy old coot for the 21st century with 19th century skills.

Obviously we all better start going to half price sales in order to get any real value for our dollar. Half-off anyone?

No thanks Roxie I had better leave My shirt all the way on. No "Half off" here.

Larry

So, in theory, now American goods are cheaper for everyone else in the world to buy, and everyone else's products are more expensive for Americans to buy. This should lead to a manufacturing boom for the USA, right?

Unfortunately, the weak dollar means that the only bargain has been until recently, US labor, whose cost to employers has grown modestly. US real estate was a bargain early on, before the bubble got heated up, and now it may be becoming a bargain to overseas investors again. But for manufacturers and any business that consumes any natural resources, the cost of those resources -- metals, plastics, energy, etc. -- has skyrocketed with global competition for the resources.

Looking ahead, resource competition will continue to drive up the cost of raw materials and powering all businesses. The cost of goods bought will reflect thoses costs. And the cost of labor will likely rise as employees find it harder and harder to make ends meet, to keep their families fed and their homes warm, and to commute to work.

It may not be a depression, but it does look like the return of "Stagflation". You cannot blame cost increases on an over-heated economy, and if you drop interest rates, you can crash the dollar, and if you raise interest rates, you will shut the door on R&D and capital investment.

It's a fine fix you've gotten us into Dubya!

Don't worry, Rcade -- #43 likes things simple, and he's got a lot of pride. He'll make it 43% by Election Day, you can bet on it.


"I'm sure that the actions and inaction of congress have nothing to do with this either."

Posted by MSgt at 2008-07-03 11:30 AM


You mean the congress that was majority republican and in lockstep with Bush for 6 years? Or the current Lieberaman that blocks everything the dems try to do.

On the up side.. Bush gave every one $900 in rebate checks over the course of his presinitcy. Woo hoo be un the deciderer iz hard werk.

If only Clinton hadn't got that blow job!

If you have a high performance race car and put a monkey in the driver's seat, what will you get?

When the exporters of oil and manufactured goods decide they can't take the hit from the falling dollar anymore, the jig will be up. We will have emerged from Dominance by the Chicago School of Economics Philosophy as a Third World Nation. Freedom, freedom.... is just a cover story for rape, pillage and plunder.

China once again calls for the U.S. to stabilize the dollar.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao has again called on the United States to stabilise the dollar, warning the greenback's decline was posing threats to the global economy.

"China is taking measures to safeguard its stable economic development," Wen said during a meeting with visiting US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Monday, according to a statement posted on the foreign ministry's website.


malaysia.news.yahoo.com

Bush didn't start America's economic slide to the bottom but he sure as hell accelerated the process.

Insuring a class of hyper rich folk increasingly disconnected from the plight of the majority who's savings and earnings are being impacted negatively.

Anyone who votes rethug in this election will be once again voting agaist their own economic self interests.

It's the stupid economy.

Be Well.

thanks george, you incompetent war criminal

Ah the good old days of yesteryear arguing with folks like Vernon and BLT (and others) about that great Bush Economy. Those arrogant know nothings told me an other libs that our fears about the unsustainable housing market, the deficit, the trade imbalance, etc. were unfounded but here we are and it seems that those fears were quite appropriate. So, where are the apologies, the admissions that they were wrong, the decisions to change their views.....no where to be found....they still talk about President McSame as if doing more of the same will bring a different result.
I can forgive Bush voters, but God Damn I will not forgive any fool who voted for Bush, now sees the mess he created, and still intend to vote for McSame. To me, a decision like that isn't partisanship it is virtually treasonous because the results are plain to see by anyone who really gives a crap about this country. Obviously right wing tools don't.

"So, in theory, now American goods are cheaper for everyone else in the world to buy, and everyone else's products are more expensive for Americans to buy. This should lead to a manufacturing boom for the USA, right?"

Too bad we don't manufacture anything any more.
Maybe we can export some SUVs to China.

Management and the corporate elite have destroyed American businesses all the while blaming it on organized labor.

MSGT

I love how congress has no responsibility for anything that happens in D.C.

What has happened to oil since Democrats took over control of congress?

What has happened to the stock market since Barack Obama became the likely nominee? The market is scared shitless of that man being president as well as the house and senate being run by the Democrats.

The Legislative Branch of the Federal gov't is an equal partner with the Executive and Judicial branches, but somehow they are never, EVER responsible for anything including doing their own intelligence work into whether or not Saddam had WMD's.

The Legislative Branch has all they need to do investigative work and they came to the same conclusions as the Clinton Administration did vis a vis Saddam's WMD's as well as the whole rest of the world. But somehow, they were tricked and lied to. Poor things. They are just completely helpless and at the mercy of the Executive Branch.

BTW, if you take your post-tax cut after tax dollars and figure in the devaluation of the dollar, I think you will see that Bush even made the rich poorer.

Sean, you are such a R-tard it's scary.

Trying to foist the FAILures of BushCo on the Dems again?

Good luck with that in November.

Be Well.

Sean, you are such a R-tard it's scary.

He is right on one thing, (whether he realizes it or not is another).


Congress giving the Executive a blank check for the GWOT is the single biggest reason for dollar devaluation under Dubya.

Congress giving the Executive a blank check for the GWOT is the single biggest reason for dollar devaluation under Dubya.

~IraqiBukakke

Agreed.

The fact that Congress refused to use the power they had in order to force Bush to put a timetable fer withdrawal onto the deal to continue funding the war is one of the main reasons behind their low polling numbers.

The other has to due with their pussyassed refusal to impeach and indict Cheney and his pet Chimp.

Spud gets this.

The GOPher mantra of "Now that the Dems have control of congress we can blame all of Bush's failures on them" is the meme Spud is trying to fight here.

Be Well

PS: GWOT? "Global War On Terrorism"?

Spud prefers "The War Against Terrorism"

aka TWAT!

If you have a high performance race car and put a monkey in the driver's seat, what will you get?

Posted by moremusicnow


Let me guess.....G(awd) (a)W(ful) BU(ll)SH(it) in charge of the US economy?


(AKA TWAT!)


FF Spud!


Bush is, and always has been, a failed man with a bankrupt spirit. Like millions of others the failure of the man was evident from the outset, and while the extent of the damage he'd do wasn't known, I, for one, am not surprised. How could anyone be? Yes, now the Grover Norquists of the world have climaxed their wet dream in living color -- broken, ineffective government and the progressive elimination of the middle class-- rich, poor, and a booming business of war and prison. The American dream to these traitorous scum suckers. And you folks who continue to support these spiritually dead vampires who mock God with ever drawn breath -- shame. Leave, please. Leave and let Americans who truly love America get this shop back in order. Leave, you and your uber-big biz butt boy Rush and his lets hide behind our cartoon Jesus and scare folks with stories about the black, gay, libruls who care more about caribou and eskimo pie polar bears than putting more money in the coffers of the arms industry.
Happy 4th of July, folks, But I still don't know what holiday the right is celebrating, because the right don't know America.

The answer to the 41% drop in the value of the dollar is-

A 41% Tax cut for ONLY the VERY wealthy...

Sincerely-everyone to the right of flush rimjob....

One good thing, Rush's $400 million is already worth $164 million less and Obama's tax increases for the greed fuckers isn't even in place yet. I think there should definitely be a special tax bracket for right wing POS who sell Americans on the idea of bankrupting their country and sending 4000 Americans to Iraq to die for nothing. I think it ought to be a 100% tax bracket for scum like Rush. I would truely love to see that fat POS homeless.

Congratulations @sshole rightwingers. You have managed to f#ck up the economy in 8 years instead of 12 like last time.

The piss weak dollar conjoined with Dubya's jawboning have certainly paid off handsomely for big oil.


zfacts.com

I can not in good faith vote for the repubs again, as they have migrated to the party of bible-thumping redneck so-called patriots. It is my dearest hope that the Dems will just for once stop helping every entitled junkie, etc., in this country and instead help the middle class moderates.

How any person of intellectual honesty could hold any one other than the GOP responsible for our current economic turmoil is mind boggling. The Republicans have controlled the WH for the last eight years. They have outright controlled Congress for 6 of the last 8 years, and enjoyed de facto veto power in Congress for the last 2 years. And the Republicans have controlled the SC for just as long.
Only a complete douchebag of a GOPher would try to spread the blame for this mess to the Democrats.

Hey, JROD54, I totally agree. I think this mess could degenerate to the point where a good portion of the middle class loses its jobs and houses, and all savings.
At that point the Repubs will want to lower taxes for billionaires so they can upgrade to 500 foot yachts from 300 foot yachts, thereby creating 50 million jobs, and the Dems will vote for free transgender counseling and operations for homeless heroin addicts.
The middle class? They can send their kids to Iraq so they can have a job.

Waaaaaay up thread, some asked the musical question "If you have a high performance race car and put a monkey in the driver's seat, what will you get?"

Poop on the seat.

Looking at it more broader, the dollar has dropped 98% since Wilson signed the Federal Reserve into law in 1913. It won't be many more years before the dollar is worthless.

There is plenty of blame to go around between the voters and the politicians. Voters wanted what they didn't earn and the politicians were perfectly willing to give it to them.

Yeah it's been one big party and now the bills are coming due and people still want to party.

Then we have folks who want to blame just one party when both parties have been partying.

Then we have folks who want to blame just one party when both parties have been partying.

The mind of a child who doesn't understand responsibility.

Who's house threw the party??????? They are responsible, and has been so no matter what neighborhood one lives in.

Murphy will never accept his Parties responsibility for our current dire economic straits. To the bitter end he will try to spread the blame. He is either too stupid or too partisan to do otherwise. Which is why he is for such a rude awakening this November.

Murphy will never accept his Parties responsibility for our current dire economic straits

I must have missed the part where the Democrats were trying to stop Bush from spending recklessly. I only saw the parts where they spent quid pro quo.

If you have a high performance race car and put a monkey in the driver's seat, what will you get?

Posted by moremusicnow at 2008-07-03 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

A big fireball?

The Repubs rub their dirty hands with glee at the prospect of President O'Bama trying to get the country out of THIS one. It will surely take a series of New Deal type steps and I hope Barney is big enough to do it. Otherwise the uglies of 2012 will blame it all on the Demos. herm

And Republican conservatives still can't get enough of their cute little Dickhead President who has fucked up this entire country economically to the point it can't be fixed anymore.

to the point it can't be fixed anymore.

If you're referring to the End of the Empire then that would be a good thing. America will be stronger for withdrawing from this foolishness. It's the English Way and I only hope that we've had enough of it. This is a Republic with sovereign States, not a fucking Monarchy, or any other -archy.

I advocate a Constitutional Convention for the sole purpose of restoring our representation to the ratio that existed prior to the fixing of of the number of members in the US House of Representatives to 435. By the old ratio we'd have 1500, and since they don't fit in the Capitol, I know of some land in the Dakotas where the soil is saline alkali and good for nothing but building a new House of Representatives.

That would split up the Parties and make lobbying a whole lot less glamorous.

Thats funny cos I just went to this website and checked from 1993 to 2000 versus 2001 to 2007. Using the Consumer Price Index the value of the dollar dropped from 1.00 to .84 under Clinton and from 1.00 to .85 under Bush.

Any statistics can be tortured long enough(of course no waterboarding) to get the results you want.


Bee Swell

P.S. Democrats are still blocking any further drilling for oil and destroying our economy in the process.

Here's the website.

www.measuringworth.com

Bee Swell

The dollar versus the Euro only matters if you are traveling to Europe. Who would want to go there anyway? I lived in Germany for three years, I wouldn't go back. I like the Caribbean. Let the European assholes hold those deflated dollars.

Democrats are still blocking any further drilling for oil and destroying our economy in the process.

Does it even need to be repeated AGAIN that Republicans had the Congess, Senate and the WH for 6 years, and never bothered overturning any of the laws on offshore drilling? So why is it the Dems fault - especially since it's so unpopular with the states involved that opposition crosses party lines?

Or are you still beating the ANWR horse - which even the oil companies admit won't produce enough oil to effect prices in any meaningful way?

Here's one for you though - why don't Republicans drop opposition to the Law of the Sea treaty, and help the US secure offshore drilling rights in the Arctic Ocean? The US Navy WANTS the treaty, but Republicans block it at every turn. Meanwhile, Russia is "claiming" the North Pole.

P.S. Democrats are still blocking any further drilling for oil and destroying our economy in the process.

Posted by Crackpipejunkie at 2008-07-03 10:17 PM |

Classic distortion of fact.

Oil Companies presently have US offshore drilling permits for approximately 40,000 Acres and have yet to drill one well in any of these permitted areas. But it is extremely important for them to obtain permits for another 100,000 Million Acres prior to Bush and his Oil Ass kissing administration leaving office to avoid any further challenges or objections to their raping of America.

"I must have missed the part where the Democrats were trying to stop Bush from spending recklessly. I only saw the parts where they spent quid pro quo."

Us Dems never claimed to not want to spend money to improve the lives of Americans, but we also are willing to openly say that we also support the taxes necessary to spend that money. Republicans want to spend it but they just don't want to levy the taxes to pay for it. That is the difference between responsible and irresponsible.

The dollar versus the Euro only matters if you are traveling to Europe.

A specious comment about species, considering that the Euro is backed by gold, and the Dollar is backed by Good Faith. It appears that most people are holding Euros because they prefer gold.

OMG. I wonder if the idiot RWers here on DR are representative of what's left of their stinking - uh - sinking ship?

If so we all have nothing to worry about. That has become very evident...

Usatruebluenuts wrote,

"Oil Companies presently have US offshore drilling permits for approximately 40,000 Acres and have yet to drill one well in any of these permitted areas. But it is extremely important for them to obtain permits for another 100,000 Million Acres prior to Bush and his Oil Ass kissing administration leaving office to avoid any further challenges or objections to their raping of America."

There is very little oil on the land they have leased that is why they need to explore in oil rich areas. Texas democrats know this and have spoken out clearly on the house floor about the lies that the democrat leadership are perpetrating.


Bee Swell

Hey OZZARK,

I'd like to see you show up at the gas station or the pizza shop with your bar of gold. That should make everyone laugh. Why not carry a ton of steel in the back of your Yugo and see if anyone will accept that. Gold is just another commodity. I can buy all the gas and pizza I want with DOLLARS!

Gold is just another commodity. I can buy all the gas and pizza I want with DOLLARS!

~FuckWit Thom

Wow, yer stupid.

Spud keeps thinking he's plumbed the depths of yer ignorance but just when Spud figures you can't say anything any stupider you go ahead and say sommat so utterly assinine it sets a new record.

Wow, just wow.

Spud would explain that further but rational people already know this fer true and yer too dumb to ever figure it out so wot would the point be?

Be Well.

Just paid $4.79 a gallon for regular unleaded gasoline at a self-serve station. California always gets hit with the highest gas prices before any other state (except Hawaii and Alaska).

All Bush Bash All the Time - I cannot wait to see the after effects of Obama and a Dem Congress after 4 years - I'm sure you'll be lauding their 'changes' NOT. [look at your net pay in five years from now and weep].

I cannot wait to see the after effects of Obama and a Dem Congress after 4 years

MSGT

Gotta beat the hell out of what the GOP did in their 6 years of unfettered power.

They broke every promise in the "Contract WITH America" and turned it into the "Contract ON America".

I don't know how 'conservatives' such as yourself can make such rash assumptions when the results of total GOP control have left us weaker, heavily in debt, and in a war without end. But, of course you'll conveniently blame it on the Democrats when the GOP left us in such a mess.

INTERESTING: The liberals/democrats of this country may be THE FIRST citizens of any country since the founding of civilization that actually look forward to their government [extorting][taking] [redistributing] their hard earned wages. Hope that makes you feel really good.

I just think you have a psychological 'need' to be hurt to feel better about yourselves (not your fault, it's your parent's failure to instill a sense of value in you).

I think MSGT has a psychological "need" to be blind to the obvious truths of right wing mismanagement of this country over the past eight years. It is a partisan illness which GOPhers seem particularly prone to.

Why do people insist on calling Bush our leader? Dick Cheney has been running the country for the last 7 1/2 years, while Chimp-Boy entertains y'all.

Why is it so hard to see past the illusion?

America's Just Desserts!

GOOD!!! Whatever apocalypse George W.Bush can inflict on America,America richly deserves it for passively allowing this right wing,war mongering dictator to be their president! Bring it on Dubya!!!

Anticadillac- I do hope you're kidding.

Whatever apocalypse George Bush AND Dick Cheney have in the back of their minds, they have 200 days left to kick it into high gear.

It's practically a guarantee that these two nimrods are still working overtime to launch America in the final war for the world's oil resources.

Having failed thus far to get beyond Iraq, there's little doubt in my mind that these two ravaged men are literally consumed with hatred for America and are right now planning to use everything that remains of their power to sink this country into a back-breaking economic apocalypse ~ all for the purpose of blaming Barack Obama for not being able to perform the miracles he'll need to undo the damage.

We still have these curling lip snarlers at the helm for the next 200 days. I'm thinking that we haven't even seen them at their worst yet.




A specious comment about species, considering that the Euro is backed by gold, and the Dollar is backed by Good Faith. It appears that most people are holding Euros because they prefer gold.

POSTED BY OZARKAGGIE

The Euro is not backed by gold. It is backed by "good faith" into the economies of the Euro-zone countries.

Us Dems never claimed to not want to spend money to improve the lives of Americans, but we also are willing to openly say that we also support the taxes necessary to spend that money. Republicans want to spend it but they just don't want to levy the taxes to pay for it. That is the difference between responsible and irresponsible.

There is no difference. Both parties have been spending beyond all reasonable means for too long. The federal government is broke. Very few have a clue to what that means.

Socialists like Danni assume wealth grows on trees where it is there for the pickings as if we live in some Garden of Eden. She and her ilk are soon to experience the ravages of socialism. Can they learn?

"There is no difference. Both parties have been spending beyond all reasonable means for too long."

That's baloney because during the Clinton administration they did levy the taxes, they did balance the budget. That is a huge difference.

"Socialists like Danni assume wealth grows on trees"

No, not on trees, but if Europe can have nationalized health care then so can we. It is ridiculous to pay twice as much as any other country for health care and then not even receive what we are paying for just to satisfy some philosophical objection to socialism. It only makes sense to find a more efficient means of supplying health care to the population.

Danni

You're over your head. I could put in a thimble what you know about economics. You haven't addressed the issue of where wealth comes from because you haven't the foggiest idea. Your idea of wealth is to have government steal it for you. You'll get no sympathy from me when you wind up in the poor house.

little Israel's AIPAC steers American foriegn policy. Our lenders steer our economic policy.

There is every indication that Obama is more thoughtful than Shrub. But, listening to Obama kiss AIPAC's ass makes me sick.

The results of a Government hijacked by Corporations and foriegners speaks for itself.

Why is it so few understand what's going on?

C'mon Nutcase. Obama is another lying, corrupt, arrogant, demagogic politician like all the rest. He's young with the energy to fuck things up even worse than Bush. You can count on it.

The results of a Government hijacked by Corporations and foriegners speaks for itself.

The myth of innocent government at the mercy of corporations and foreigners. That's nuts.

Nutcase hasn't the foggiest clue to the nature of politics.

Maybe Danni lacks Ray's PhD in economics, but she surely nails it with A) Clinton balanced the budget, and B) European health care doesn't just beat ours, it has lapped ours several times. herm

Background in engineering with well developed bullshit protectors.

Like his predecessors, spending increases substantially during Clinton's terms. He had the good fortune to be riding an economic boom. The Clintons gave the appearance of balancing the budget by counting Social Security and Medicare revenues as income. That explains why those two have over $50 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

As Milton Friedman would say, it's the spending that determines the weight of government on the economy. Deficits can be massaged to look good.

As Milton Friedman would say

Milton Fraudman is responsible fer more Misery globally than Hitler.

Fuck that bitch.

Fuck him with a stick till he bleeds out.

Be Well.

As Milton Friedman would say...I fucked up! The world adopted all of my free market, deregulation, privatization, free trade bullshit, and now the global economy is imploding.

Friedman did fuck up when he advised Nixon to take the dollar off the gold standard. But that is another matter relating to the demise of the dollar.

the largest tax increase in history is not called a "tax", it is called "deficit spending", it's a huge tax that our kids will have to pay (primarily to China), thanks to the "borrow and spend" righties!

The global economy is not imploding. Just the USA.

Be aware of Brazil, Russia, India and China. China's growth is slowing for instance, but slowing to a still incredible 10% growth. Their citizens are going to increasingly gobble up all the worlds natural resources, and we will continue to pay out the nose for everything.

All of these countries are poised to become dominant world-wide economic superpowers. Meanwhile Shrub/Cheney have handed them a tremendous long-term strategic advantage, in the form of massive debt.

"As Milton Friedman would say,".....my theories don't really work but keep trying them any way because it makes you sound like you know what you are talking about even as the economy crumbles after years of Friedman's influence.

Friedman's theories were just another variation of Keynes theories. Both are doomed to fail.

That doesn't take away from what he said about paying attention to total government spending as a measure of cost to Americans. All government spending must by paid for by the citizenry. If not today, then in the future. It's too easy for the feds to hold down deficits by borrowing from the future. That's why they don't portray a true picture of government costs.

Dear DANNI (Dimwit) You brag about the Clinton administration holding down spending. You are not aware that it was THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS THAT WOULD NOT LET HIM SPEND..The president only proposes spending through the budget process. Congress authorizes spending.

HERM: As usual your talking through your ASSHOLE again. If you have been in Europe you will have heard many complaints about having to wait 6 month to a year for operations.

Last night I was watching Jeopardy (bear with me, this is related to the dollar, trust me) and Alex Trebek was commenting on the fact that the returning champion (a guy from Toronto) had won US$28,401 the previous day. He said that in the past that would have been about CAN$35,000 or CAN$36,000, but that now it would be just CAN$16.50. -- Member

You know that was a joke, right? $US and $Can are trading about 1:1 right now. markets.ft.com

" During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?
A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not."

www.factcheck.org

nuf said.

Anyone think we might be in the middle of a giant game of currency-value chicken with China?

We've been trying to get them to drop their currency's peg to the dollar for a long time. Maybe we're trying to force their hand.

Some of the effects so far are China limiting the export of commodities and decreasing the subsidies of energy to it's citizens.

It's obvious what the effects have been in the U.S.; short term bad, but long term it might be good. It will allow U.S. manufacturers to flourish. It will defacto lower the U.S. debt. Maybe some of you will actually receive some of that SSI money you've been promised! No don't bet on that!!

We've been trying to get them to drop their currency's peg to the dollar for a long time. -- Liveletlive

No we haven't. If they hadn't been buying up U.S. paper & currency reserves the deficits Bush has been running would have caused the economy to tank a lot earlier. Bush needed them to fund his war.


If you have a high performance race car and put a monkey in the driver's seat, what will you get?

Posted by moremusicnow at 2008-07-03 05:05 PM | Reply

You get MoreMusicNow in a porche

What you say is correct but has nothing to do with a dollar/yuan peg.

We still want them to lend us money. And we want to be able to devalue our currency de-coupled from their's so we can pay back our debts with lower value dollars.

Good for us, bad for China.


Ah the good old days of yesteryear arguing with folks like Vernon and BLT (and others) about that great Bush Economy. Those arrogant know nothings told me an other libs ..... blah, blah, blah, blay

Posted by danni at 2008-07-03 05:44 PM | Reply

Same old horseshit from the same old horse.

I'm glad you continue to fantasize about me, Danni (For your sake, not mine) but those conversations never took place with me.

I never advocated massive deficit spending, nor real estate speculation. Nor home loans for people ill-equipped to make a monthly mortgage payment.

And I will not vote for McCain in November. You and your ilk have destroyed America. I'll raise my kids in another country. But I'll still come back to DR and point out how you are always wrong.

Like any reliable bigot, you lump together all people that you dislike. Facts and truth don't matter. Just the opportunity to slur.

Good for us, bad for China. -- liveletlive

Exactly. And we still want them to lend us money and don't want them to dump U.S. reserves. So we're not pushing for anything.


" During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

Posted by danni at 2008-07-05 12:39 PM | Reply

Yes, the Republican Congress blocked all of Clinton's massive spending requests, thus balancing the budget.

nuff said

That's why I suggest it's a big game of chicken. The one who blinks loses.

Yes, the Republican Congress blocked all of Clinton's massive spending requests, thus balancing the budget.


nuff said

No, it was the increased revenues generated by upping taxes on the wealthy. That tax bill was passed in 1993 without a single Republican vote.

The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton's fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints.

www.factcheck.org

Wayyyy upthread: Repubs don't watch "Jeopardy." Too highbrow for righties.

Dollar vs. Euro matters only if you're in Germany, FWT. This poster surely wouldn't understand "Jeopardy." Not if global economics is over his head..

The Junkie would blame our not drilling for oil in Yellowstone and Yosemite. Yeah, a few more gallons would really solve all the Bush-created misery.

Oz thinks European health care inferior because ya gotta wait a bit for ELECTIVE surgery. Our take-their-homes health care is the best system, I guess he thinks.

Vern won't vote McCain but "(y)ou and your ilk have destroyed America. I'll raise my kids in another country. But I'll still come back to DR and point out how you are always wrong."

We will miss Vern. "Always." Like the bad penny ... herm

I wonder which country will be to Vern's liking. herm

Isn't it absurd how the Media and Government collude to recreate a reality opposite that which people endure.

Under Clinton oil has gone from $10/barrel to $20/barrel, a hundred percent increase. If you elect me I promise to lower gasoline prices.

You believe in a strong dollar, but whatawegot?

We must save the country and planet from Hussein's WMDs (provided by US & Germany); I mean, to save the world from a mushroon cloud; I mean, to save the Iraqi people from his tyranny; I mean, to bring Freedom and Democracy (but No Nation Building!). Whatever, hardy, har, har...

Regulation is bad and I barely know Ken Lay, even though he was my largest single contributor whom I wrote personal thank you etters to.

NAFTA is good. The economy is strong. We need a Superhighway and we don't give a fuck what the little people think.

Free Markets and Immigration gone wild is the way to build a strong economy.

Results mean nothing, perception is everything. You have real choices in free and fair elections.

Its the Democrats fault.

GOOD, IT MEANS WE reduce our foreign debt by 50 or 60%...

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