Wow!

From Hitchens no less.

Great read.

There are a few right-wing pundits (you know who you are) who should have this experience. Maybe even Rumsfeld and Bushie.

OMFG hahahahahah Now eat Your God Damned hearts out who said it wasn't Torture. Fucking useless sacks of garbage. You know who You are.

Larry Mohr

Does he still support the moron or has he flip flopped?

Nutcase, Hitchens seems to straddle party lines. On one hand he has come out in favor of invading Iraq, but he also writes articles such as this one.

The citizens of the United States should be marching on the White House with tar, pitch and burning torches. The damage Shrub has done to our country through his approval of torture (did I REALLY type that - the US TORTURES people? The country that participated in the Nuremburg trials? THAT country? MY country????) is beyond comprehension. Our country no longer has the high moral ground here and our troops have now been placed in Harms Way BIG TIME. Even if this policy stops yesterday, the damage is done.

Hitchens didn't exactly "flip-flop" if you mean his support for the war.

He changed his mind and admitted he was mistaken in initially supporting it, after they screwed up.

More than most politicians, or "the moron" have been able to do.

I can't believe there are still morons out there that think torture wasn't part of the USA's tool kit prior to Bush.
I honestly believe you retards should be totured for being so fucking dumb.

And, it turns out they have based most of the interrogation techniques on Communist Chinese methods from the 1970s!!!! Can you believe it? Those terrible Communists!!! "This is the United States of America and we don't torture"....

New game show for TV.....The New I've Got a Secret where you try to keep your secret as they use advanced interrogation techniques to try and make you tell. It's hilarious.

I think Hitchens was actually just baptized by friends of Mother Teresa, and he thought it was torture.

"OK, OK, I confess, God I great and Jesus Christ is my Lord an Savior." -- Christopher Hitchens while being tortured.

What???
Baptism is really torture???
So, we don't water board Muslims....we just baptize them. Hmmmm....a whole new way of viewing the War on Terror.....also known as The Crusades II.

New game show for TV.....The New I've Got a Secret where you try to keep your secret as they use advanced interrogation techniques to try and make you tell. It's hilarious.

Posted by danni

Danni, you should pitch that idea to the Fox (Entertainment) Network. Those are the type of shows they like.

They had to do him twice because they forgot the Scotch the first time.

Yeah, but since he didn't have internal organ failure, Rummy says it ain't torture. Rub some dirt on it and man up, Hitchens!
Right 101?

That was actually funny, Corky.

Have you and Murphy had a date yet? Just a suggestion.

You know why waterboarding isn't torture? Nobody would volunteer to be tortured.

CASE CLOSED!
Lt.

Put your money where your mouth is hitchens (no, not on a black mans pecker). Volunteer to have your fingernails pulled out.

CASE CLOSED!!!
Lt.

Yes, Sit. We decided on July 4th as your turn to be "baptized". How's that on your schedule?

I figured that you deserve it just for assuming some one's position based on a joke.

'Specially since jokes are something with which you appear to have so much in common.

It is NOT torture to waterboard people. Also, since when has the left been so sissyfied that they think we have NEVER tortured people in the interest of NATIONAL SECURITY prior to GWB???

You people are FREAKS!

FACT!

"Christopher Hitchens Undergoes Waterboarding" and says it is much too harsh for the terrorists to endure just to get information that would help save lives. Fourteen other volunteers that underwent waterboarding also agreed. To date 3 terrorists have been waterboarded while voluntary waterboarding has gone into the hundreds. Next these volunteers want to try the terrorists method of torture by running a drill bit through their hands so they have a good comparison. After that they will try eye removal as stated in Al Qaeda's manual. Some volunteers stated they would prefer the blow torch to the skin. These volunteers will then asses and claim that warterboarding is cruel and inhumane.

"Volunteer to have your fingernails pulled out."

YEAH!

As if that has never happened ----- But I think their called Professional Tradesman (as in carpenters and masons)

KBM,

Since when do we define our standards of decency by the heinousness of our enemies?

The USA believed waterboarding was torture when they prosecuted the Japanese for it. If you believe it isn't, today, then please answer this one question:

What was the exact date that changed?

We prosecuted the Japanese for Waterboarding American and allied people. Maybe they should try Dubya and company the same way. Payback.

Larry Mohr

Isn't it possible that they were wrong back then and were simply piling on the Japs because the winners write the rules?

Danforth,
Would you voluntarily subject yourself to torture? Nobody in their right mind would, and that should be the first clue Waterboarding isn't "torture"

We prosecuted the Japanese for Waterboarding American and allied people. Maybe they should try Dubya and company the same way. Payback.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-07-02 11:35 AM | Reply

We also carpet bombed entire cities, had white's only army units, Tuskegee (sp) Airmen, etc.

We aren't always right.

Fly a plane and drop a bomb. The bomb exploded killing people on the ground. Those not killed are maimed and injured.

The maimed may spend the rest of their life crippled.

This crippling may be painful for the rest of their lives. Some will feel they would rather be dead than continue their existence.

Torture is delivered in many methods. One could consider that warfare is torture. If you don't kill on the first shot, quick and painless, then its torture.

Reading my posts and many others on DR is torture, but nobody complains enough about it. Start the march to Rcade's!

You're so full of shit 101Chairborne it's not even funy. You are trying to excuse torture becqause You support it. You don't give a fuck about America. We do not torture You understand WE DO JNOT TORTURE. You support torture then please leave My Country because we don't need Your kind here. Thank You very much.

Larry Mohr

It is NOT torture to waterboard people. Also, since when has the left been so sissyfied that they think we have NEVER tortured people in the interest of NATIONAL SECURITY prior to GWB???

You people are FREAKS!

FACT!

Posted by James_Dean at 2008-07-02 11:14 AM

did you even read the article?

in case you missed this part:

It opens a door that cannot be closed. Once you have posed the notorious "ticking bomb" question, and once you assume that you are in the right, what will you not do? Waterboarding not getting results fast enough? The terrorist's clock still ticking? Well, then, bring on the thumbscrews and the pincers and the electrodes and the rack.

I guess you are OK with that too?

And waterboarding is Torture and it is IS ILLEGAL in America and is considered Torture by the Geneva Convention.

FACT!

We shouldn't need Hitchens to tell us that waterboarding is torture but in BushCheneyWorld there is a need for people to do what he did and let us know that it really is torture.

Don't always agree with him but in general he cuts right through the BS whether it comes from Republicans or Democrats. Good for him.

"CASE CLOSED." 101
Mind closed.

posted by LenNy
Translation: I can't refute what you said.

My kind are the kind that volunteered to be Paratroopers in an elite unit. Your kind inquire about the best way to abuse animals.
Any questions lEnNy?

I can't believe there are still morons out there that think torture wasn't part of the USA's tool kit prior to Bush.
I honestly believe you retards should be totured for being so fucking dumb.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-07-02 10:37 AM

YOU are the Moron...

Anyone who Tortures or allows Torture is breaking the LAW and should be prosecuted to fullest extent of the LAW.

That includes GWB an anyone down the chain that did not have the balls and the courage to speak up and take a stand against it.

The true Patriot is the one that stand for the Constitution no matter what.

Where do you stand Chairpoodle?

Just because You join the Military doesn't mean You are worth a fuck. Timothy McVeigh John Lee Mohhamad. Just to name 2.

Larry

Nobody seems to want to answer the question...What kind of person knowingly and with such regularity volunteer to be tortured? Why do our military members get tortured daily in military schools?

If a guy off the street wants to subject himself to waterboarding just to see what it's like then that should be your first clue that it isn't torture.

I wonder how many people will be comming to the Chairborne School of Fingernail Pulling?

So the fuckwads decide that since previous administrations have done the same, it is okey dokey now.

Why do the guys doing it to him need to be in ski masks? Fucking drama queen...

Where do you stand Chairpoodle?

Posted by donnerboy at 2008-07-02 11:50 AM | Reply

On the side of common fucking sense. The side that knows that the USA has always and will always use whatever tactics we think we need to use in order to get what we want.
It's the side that knows and understands that sometimes we need to resort to less than ideal scenarios in order to fulfill our needs.

Your kind ignorantly walk around pretending as though all was well in the USA prior to 2000. That the Clinton years didn't consist of a secret prison, torture, covert CIA misdeeds, or anything "icky".

Why would someone volunteer tobe tortured to see what it's like to make an informed decision on whether to support it or not. Don't Women volunteer themselves for torture everytime they choose to get Pregnant?? I don't think it's very pleasent pushing out a bowlng ball out of a 10CM?? Hole do You 101Chairborne??

Larry Mohr

I don't think it's very pleasent pushing out a bowlng ball out of a 10CM?? Hole do You 101Chairborne??

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr

My wife didn't feel a thing...

Rob the A Hole privacy is why they are in masks. Either that or they are trying to simulate the real thing and they are masked then to conceal their identities from the Prisoners

Larry

Fingernail pulling is no big deal either.
George Clooney had his yanked off and by the end of the movie, he was fine.
Again, no internal organ failure, no torture.

Rob the A Hole privacy is why they are in masks. Either that or they are trying to simulate the real thing and they are masked then to conceal their identities from the Prisoners

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr

Horseshit... He's trying to make a play out of it... incrasing the drama for a better story, and if he's willing to put these guys in costume, then its more then reasonable he's also hamming up his response to the tactic.

LeNnY,
I'm sure pregnancy was torture for your mother, but nothing compared to the torture she endures daily knowing she kept you.

Rob,

"My wife didn't feel a thing..."

I think Larry was referring to the delivery, not the conception :)

WOW struck a nerve did I 101Chairborne. You lost.

Larry

I think Larry was referring to the delivery, not the conception :)

Posted by evilpolock

that gets a funny flag

About damn time...LOL

101
some things are outright torture
like pulling fingernails off

that you dont' volunteer for because you know the outcome and people like their fingernails

waterboarding's after affects are psychological and that is something people feel more likely to "volunteer" to see if its bad or not

once they do it they realize that their will wasn't as strong as they thought and in fact the long lasting affects do exist and thus it IS torture

as far as clinton and the past

i'm not ready to prosecute them OR BUSH for war crimes

but officially we need to say yes, this is wrong, and moving forward its not allowed, and if someone in the FUTURE allows such, will face the penalty of the law.

We don't do torture.
Saddam has WMD.
Saddam and Osama are buddies.
101, I won't cum in your mouth.

The Truthiness of GWB.

FACT!!

Facts are FACTS!

FACT!

Waterboarding is better than sex. No, wait, that's kneeboarding. Carry on.

Your kind ignorantly walk around pretending as though all was well in the USA prior to 2000. That the Clinton years didn't consist of a secret prison, torture, covert CIA misdeeds, or anything "icky".

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-07-02 11:55 AM

"My kind" believe in the rule of LAW.

"My kind" believe in the Constitution.

"My kind" doesn't ingnorantly nor naively walk around and and "pretend" anything.

I realize Freedom is not free.

I also understand that any of the misdeeds of the past need to stop and those that break the law need to be held accountable just as you or this administration would not hesitate to hold me accountable if you caught me breaking the law!

Get a grip 101.

We are a Nation of LAWS.

No one is above the law.

Would you voluntarily subject yourself to torture? Nobody in their right mind would, and that should be the first clue Waterboarding isn't "torture"

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-07-02 11:37 AM

I would for enough money. 10 million bucks, waterboard me, or pull my nails out. No probs, I'd do it.

What if someone had a car antennae hel up to your head?????

I wonder how many people will be comming to the Chairborne School of Fingernail Pulling?

Posted by 101Chairborne

I would almost guarantee that someone would volunteer even knowing it is torture..and would probably pay to have it done.

"I would for enough money. 10 million bucks, waterboard me, or pull my nails out. No probs, I'd do it.

Posted by bigjohn_1972 at 2008-07-02 12:34 PM"

Be careful! Chairborne went for one of these offers that seemed too good to be true, and now he is sitting in his mom's basement with a very sore butt surrounded by one million doll hairs, blogging on this site.

You know what pisses me off? I made this hilarious comment below and nobody funny flagged it! Fucking assholes...

But When Larry craig says he shot in the airport washrooom, will we know what he meant?

Posted by northguy3 at 2008-07-01 08:11 PM | Reply

Maybe not all of us, but your dry cleaner will.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-07-01 08:16 PM | Reply

Retroactive FF for 101

No shit, 101. Like my 12:41 on this very thread, for instance. That is some funny shit.

Genuine FF for Monty at 12:41

Montecore,
Not bad, but you should have been more graphic!

That was pretty tame, wasn't it? I'll work on that.

I dunno...had me spittin watermelon all over my monitor...I'd give it 3-3.5 stars. Just the visual will keep me grinnin...sorry 101.

chair,

the CIA, Communists, Facists and many allied Dictators do use torture. To be effective requires a team of highly trained specialists, otherwise you just end up with a bunch of mutilated dead people and still no intelligence. But it is only effective if you have a high value target and keep the process under wraps. Its one thing for the CIA to take ONE GUY aside, quit another for Army Privates to act willy nilly on tens of thousands of prisoners. But, that's what Bush/Cheney/Rummy ordered and that's what lower ranking military recruits will be imprisoned for.

As Cheney said, they have gone into the dark side, without any accountability so far. These policies diminish everything we claim to stand for. We are reverting to mediveal values. I'm sure our founding fathers ar turning over in their graves, given the lengths they went to to protect the rights of poor individuals.

The policy makers should be held responsible, not that their criminal friends in SCOTUS will let that happen.

"I can't believe there are still morons out there that think torture wasn't part of the USA's tool kit prior to Bush."

YEAH!

Well according to the people charged with getting info out of German Prisoners in WW2 ---- umm, then no!
In fact, they drank whiskey and played Ping-Pong with them to get their secrets!

posted by LenNy
Translation: I can't refute what you said.
My kind are the kind that volunteered to be Paratroopers in an elite unit. Your kind inquire about the best way to abuse animals.
Any questions lEnNy?
Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-07-02 11:47 AM

Do you mean that a human being tortured is an animal?

Torturing animals is fine?

The paratroopers I've personally met are very, very quiet about their activities, but very, very loud regarding their beliefs.

You do realize that there has been ZILTCH actionable intelligence gathered from torture. I'd love for you to please prove me otherwise.

You people are FREAKS!

FACT!

Posted by James_Dean

You wouldn't know a freak if one walked up to you and kicked chairbourne in the throat-making him bite your balls off...

FACT

Idiot!

So how does sucking the brains out of someone compare to waterboarding? Would everyone agree that this is torture? What if you were not even trying to garner information from the person?

The faux outraged libs show up again - waterboarding bad - killing babies good.

You do realize that there has been ZILTCH actionable intelligence gathered from torture. I'd love for you to please prove me otherwise.

Posted by redlightrobot at 2008-07-02 01:36 PM | Reply |

Well I don't imagine that the government goes around telling us all of the details of every interrogation, nor should they.
Some people (Ashcroft) may spout crap about nabbed terrorists that turns out to be overblown, but I tend to believe there are guys we don't know, in places we've never heard of, doing things we don't speak of that benefit us.

Cocosamville,
Even though you are a full blown tard, you must realize that drinking whiskey and playing ping pong were just a few of the options or alternatives to torture, harsh interogation, and execution...right? It isn't an all or nothing game you silly fuck.

"I'd much rather be waterboarded than beat with a car antenna..."
--Buffalo_Boob

The faux outraged libs show up again - waterboarding bad - killing babies good.

Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2008-07-02 01:45 PM

The Fake Plastic El Cid shows up to say something unintelligible able his love for baby killing!

If you wish to post something intelligent regarding TORTURE(if that is possible for you EL Cid) then provide us a link where a "liberal" says that baby killing is a good thing.

otherwise STFU!

over...

"Waterboarding isn't "torture""
Posted by 101

Just give me the date, 101, that's all I'm asking. It was prosecutable torture during WWII. You say it "isn't torture" today.

What exact date did it change?

but I tend to believe there are guys we don't know, in places we've never heard of, doing things we don't speak of that benefit us.

ahhh the fantasies of the righty tighties at night!

You see there are these guys...

That we don't know....

In places we have never heard of...

Doing things we don't speak of...

YOU are a sad person Chair101... do you really live in a basement with a big GUN whacking off to weird fantasies like this like the rumors say?

"Even though you are a full blown tard, you must realize that drinking whiskey and playing ping pong were just a few of the options or alternatives to torture, harsh interogation, and execution...right? It isn't an all or nothing game you silly fuck.
Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-07-02 02:00 PM

YEAH!

Makes Prefect Sense --- That is Until you remember that Those Very Same Germans are the Ones who came here and Built our Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles that put us ahead of Russia!

A highly unlucky outcome if they had been "Tortured" by Americans as you claim!

But that's you problem, your brain is always stopping short on you!

What exact date did we consider carpet bombing to be a crime?

You don't need an exact date or any date for that matter. A date doesn't change the fact that waterboarding isn't torture.

People don't volunteer to get "tortured" so that they can write an article or make a youtube video.

A "date" doesn't magically make something more or less painful.

YOU are a sad person Chair101... do you really live in a basement with a big GUN whacking off to weird fantasies like this like the rumors say?

Posted by donnerboy at 2008-07-02 02:22 P

You're hilarious. If you were a marine are you trying to tell me your unit or people in your unit weren't deployed to places doing things that nobody in the USA was aware of at the time and still aren't aware of today?

You're laughable. You honestly beleieve that there aren't SpecOps, CIA, NSA, etc agents doing things at this exact moment that you'll never hear of or won't hea of for 10 or 20 years...

Where do you dumb fuckers come from?

You're laughable. You honestly beleieve that there aren't SpecOps, CIA, NSA, etc agents doing things at this exact moment that you'll never hear of or won't hea of for 10 or 20 years...

Where do you dumb fuckers come from?

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-07-02 02:28 PM

yes and here is the difference between YOU and me (lest's ee if you are still laughing).

YOU are HOPING those things are happening in YOUR world(and apparently whacking off in your basement!).

I am actively trying to stop those kinds things from happening in MY world.

Who is the Patriot friend?

"if waterboarding does not constitute torture, then there is no such thing as torture."

While waterboarding may very well be "torture," I think anyone who has had their fingernails pulled off or a lighter held up to their eyeballs would probably disagree with this statement.

While waterboarding may very well be "torture," I think anyone who has had their fingernails pulled off or a lighter held up to their eyeballs would probably disagree with this statement.

Posted by JOE at 2008-07-02 02:33 PM

no Joe.. they would say that was Torture too. Both are illegal.

"do you really live in a basement with a big GUN whacking off"
--DONNERBOY

Donnerboy just went in his shorts a little...

Donnerboy just went in his shorts a little...

Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2008-07-02 02:36 PM

Not wearing shorts.... HAH!

"no Joe.. they would say that was Torture too. Both are illegal."

Except Hitchens said "if waterboarding isn't torture, then there's no such thing as torture" - implying that waterboarding is the worst kind of torture.

And anyone who has had their fingernails ripped off or a lighter held to their eyeball would disagree with him. Hitchens just thinks he's a hardass for going through some of the easiest torture of all time. And he even knew the whole time that nobody would let him die.

I can not believe they still try and justify torture. Unbelievable. It's no wonder most of the world dispises us today. Nobody should be surprised if we are attacked by say one of the relatives families that have been tortured by the United States. You reap what yee sow.

Larry Mohr

donnerboy,
You are too dumb to even comprehend what is being said. For example, I tell you that there are people doing things that we aren't aware of right now that we may never hear about.
You reply at 222pm calling them fantasies but then your stupid ass contradicts yourself at 233pm and admit that exactly what I said is happening.

You are an idiot.

Except Hitchens said "if waterboarding isn't torture, then there's no such thing as torture"

The last part are your words

- implying that waterboarding is the worst kind of torture.

fact is when you are being tortured then it is obvious that you are being tortured and it feels like the worst thing in the world is happening to you and if someone claims you are not being tortured then there is no such thing as torture-

is more likely what he meant...

but we are mincing words...

Torture is torture and is illegal in America and we should not be doing it here or anywhere... even in Chairpoodles basement!

"And anyone who has had their fingernails ripped off or a lighter held to their eyeball would disagree with him.

Posted by JOE at 2008-07-02 02:39 PM"

As if you have any clue which of these things is worse to endure.

You are an idiot.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-07-02 02:45 PM

You believe in Torture and Secret Prisons and that it is just and proper especially if done in the deep dark corners of the world in our name to protect YOUR precious little security and I am a idiot...right!

You see I am not so worried about my security so that I need to have Americans out there Torturing other Humans in my name...there are no Jihadis running down my street and if there were I think we could handle em!

You are the idiot if you think that it is just and right to give up your precious humanity for that tiny bit of security it might provide you there in your basement by allowing YOUR government to Torture in YOUR name.

As if you have any clue which of these things is worse to endure.

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-07-02 02:50 PM | Reply

Hmmm, simulated drowning (where recovery can be done with a blow dryer), or blindness.
Hmmmm, simulated drowning where I suffer some wet clothes, or missing fingernails that result in pain for weeks upon weeks not to mention the heeby jeebies for life.

Yeah, I don't see how one would need to experience any of the 3 to make a decision on which one was preferable.

I see donnerboy STFU pretty quick.

Damn, I gave that fool too much credit...

Although you mysteriously failed to address your complete reversal. Shocking.

You are too stupid to realize what an ass you made of yourself.

"and I am a(sic) idiot...right!"

Posted by donnerboy

That would be correct, sir.

Gotta love self retorting retorts.

Although you mysteriously failed to address your complete reversal. Shocking.

You are too stupid to realize what an ass you made of yourself.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-07-02 03:02 PM

I reversed nothing ... you fail to understand sarcasm...

and LiveODie is a typo NAZI!

Well I don't imagine that the government goes around telling us all of the details of every interrogation, nor should they.

Bush? You know damn well he would. He'd mess it up - but he'd try. Like the Library Tower in L.A.

If that's not enough, there's always the dismissal of JAG officers because of their testimony about being pressured for convictions due to the (2004) elections.

We did get that little blurb about KSM, though it turned out to be less than convincing as a pro-torture argument.

mmm, simulated drowning (where recovery can be done with a blow dryer), or blindness.

I don't know why I bother...trools are such a pain!

It is not simulated drowning...can't you even read?

It is actual drowning.. there is the possibility of death and physical and psychological scars!

People suffer lasting physical damage and have died from waterboarding.

You are such a liar and a fool.

Listen folks, when dealing with enemy nations that honor the Geneva Convention, I would not use waterboarding as a means of interrogation.

When dealing with terrorists that continue to target civilians, then all bets are off. Torture those vermon until you get every last bit of information available from them.

Sorry for affending any thin skinned liberal bleeding heart types out there.

I don't know why I bother...trools are such a pain!

my words! (should not have been italicized)

When dealing with terrorists that continue to target civilians, then all bets are off.

so let me get this straight...

No torturing of those who kill under the protection of a Military Uniform.

But, Torture in YOUR name is OK for Criminals or Anyone (declared an Enemy "Vermon")) and not wearing a uniform and if caught outside America?

and that's OK with you?

sad...

Sorry for affending any thin skinned liberal bleeding heart types out there.

Posted by wsmith1625 at 2008-07-02 03:35 PM

don't worry about that... you are only offending yourself.

Posted by YAV at 2008-07-02 03:26 PM | Reply

Look, I agree with you (which being a bright guy you were probably able to infer via my Ashcroft example).
I tend to believe (because it's common sense) that the President, any President, isn't aware of all of the details of every interogation, every operation, etc. Nor does the President need to be.
Some things just don't make it up the chain of command.

"It is not simulated drowning...can't you even read?"

Technically, the definition of drown is "To kill by submerging and suffocating in water or another liquid." When you are waterboarded you are not "submerged," so you are not drowning.

So you might say that Hitchens underwent "simulated simulated drowning."

doonertard,
Drowning has a definition. Look it up.

This is the last time I address you on this matter. You are so far out of your league as usual that it's fruitless to continue to bat you around.

v. tr.

1. To kill by submerging and suffocating in water or another liquid.
2. To drench thoroughly or cover with or as if with a liquid.
3. To deaden one's awareness of; blot out: people who drowned their troubles in drink.
4. To muffle or mask (a sound) by a louder sound: screams that were drowned out by the passing train.

v. intr.
To die by suffocating in water or another liquid.

Joe,
You're too kind and too patient when dealing with these fools.

(Sigh)

"I want to be absolutely clear with our people, and the world: The United States does not torture. It's against our laws, and it's against our values. I have not authorized it -- and I will not authorize it. Last year, my administration worked with Senator John McCain, and I signed into law the Detainee Treatment Act...."

George Walker Bush, President and Commander-In-Chief, United States of America. September 6, 2006.

101-

I don't come to the site more than once a week anymore, I used to want to explode when I read how much stupid shit people post here. It's a little better now.

Drowning is death as caused by suffocation when a liquid causes interruption of the body's absorption of oxygen from the air leading to asphyxia. The primary cause of death is hypoxia and acidosis leading to cardiac arrest.

Submerging is optional I believe a person can drown in a teaspon of water... tough to "submerge" in that!

I'd say waterboarding fits the definition nicely...nice try though...go ahead and mince words though if it makes ya feel better!

You say tomato I say TORTURE!

next idiot please!

"Listen folks, when dealing with enemy nations that honor the Geneva Convention, I would not use waterboarding as a means of interrogation.

Posted by wsmith1625 at 2008-07-02 03:35 PM"

Sister, please - get over yourself. No one here believes "you" would do anything to enemies, except maybe tickle their ass with a feather.

Get a load of that retard! He is provided with definitions and still claims victory. Just like the absolute ass kicking he took in the Horne thread, they don't know enough to shut up.

This is the last time I address you on this matter. You are so far out of your league as usual that it's fruitless to continue to bat you around.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-07-02 03:46 PM

Good! if you have no other stupid things to say that I HAVE to set straight I need to go eat now!

Lets see if I covered it all first.

Waterboarding is Torture - check!
Torture is illegal- check!
True Americans do not believe in Torture - check!
Waterboarding is NOT simulated drowning it is actual drowning- check!

Chairpoodle is and idiot and whacks off in the basement to weird torture fantasies - check!

Joe is a Chairpoodle asskisser - check!

Ok that pretty much covers it!

enjoy!

"I used to want to explode when I read how much stupid shit people post here.

Posted by JOE at 2008-07-02 03:56 PM"

People like Joe, who take the shit on this site seriously enough to "want to explode" crack me up. What the fuck? Get a real life, with real people in it, and maybe that won't happen to you anymore. Fucking pathetic.

"no Joe.. they would say that was Torture too. Both are illegal."

Except Hitchens said "if waterboarding isn't torture, then there's no such thing as torture" - implying that waterboarding is the worst kind of torture.
And anyone who has had their fingernails ripped off or a lighter held to their eyeball would disagree with him. Hitchens just thinks he's a hardass for going through some of the easiest torture of all time. And he even knew the whole time that nobody would let him die.
Posted by JOE at 2008-07-02 02:39 PM

Wait. You are a lawyer? Precisely how does "worst kind of torture" apply to Hitchens statements? I may be slow, so help me understand you.

From the way that I "interpret" the English used he is stating that the "technique" of waterboarding is indisputably torture, no gradient or scale is mentioned. How do you come to such strange mistranslations? Where does electrocution fall along the scale, since the Tagubu report also mentions it's use? Oh, and raping children (in front of their parents no less) - I suppose that doesn't actually mean "torture" either?

Also, what actionable intelligence has been gathered? The Iranian nuclear weapons programs? The Syrian ones? Maybe the Jordanians? North Koreas?

I find the lack of credibility regarding the entire "intelligence" utilized for these conflicts and actions to be utterly dismissible nonsense. DOD have made the United States military appear to be gibbering idiots and tools without conscience.

Remember Richard Perles' words at an AEI interview just prior to the Iraqi invasion "The Pentagon is in good hands now". I wonder what he could ever mean by that? Perhaps it has something to do with neocons and Zionists?

Do you imagine that Anthrax investigation was stopped due to less than credible intelligence or are they not supposed to use water boarding on United States military when they hit an imposed dead end? I mean, since it's not officially "torture", it's simply interrogating. Whomever distributed this anthrax was capable of getting it into the highest levels of our elected officials. Doesn't that pose an incredible national security risk?

I'll try and check back here, but my internet is rather limited. Hopefully you or other smart guys can clear some of this up for me.

"People like Joe, who take the shit on this site seriously enough to "want to explode" crack me up. What the fuck? Get a real life, with real people in it, and maybe that won't happen to you anymore. Fucking pathetic."

And dumbshits like Montecore who think that just because someone is shocked by the amount of stupidity on the internet means they have no real friends, are fucking morons. Nothing more to say about that.

Redlightrobot-

Hitchens said "if waterboarding does not constitute torture, then there is no such thing as torture." This implies that he has experienced the most painful and depraved infliction of suffering possible in the universe, and if that particular infliction of pain is not "torture," then torture doesn't even exist.

Nobody has to be a lawyer to gather that meaning from what he said. It's clear to anyone with a brain. The rest of your post wasn't worth reading.

What a faggot...he could have thrown those metal objects he was holding through the La Pallice sub pen.

I'll give you a bottom third of the second tier of law schools "E" for effort on your attempt to change the subject, Lil' Joe, but my post was not about the amount of stupidity on the internet or whether it is shocking, it's about how much effect it has on morons like you. But nice try, for you anyway.

Speaking of changing the subject, there goes the troll talking about law school. Apparently people are only allowed to go to Harvard and Yale in Montecore's world. I never said I went to a great law school, you fucking idiot.

Redlightrobot-
Hitchens said "if waterboarding does not constitute torture, then there is no such thing as torture." This implies that he has experienced the most painful and depraved infliction of suffering possible in the universe, and if that particular infliction of pain is not "torture," then torture doesn't even exist.
Nobody has to be a lawyer to gather that meaning from what he said. It's clear to anyone with a brain. The rest of your post wasn't worth reading.
Posted by JOE at 2008-07-02 04:17 PM

I read that entirely the opposite - that waterboarding is the foundation or minimum of the description for torture, not it's "highest form". I still cannot understand how you parse that so differently.

Also, wouldn't it follow that the anthrax investigations would have used waterboarding to avoid more biological weapons being sent to congresspeoples? That was an act of war, or at least terrorism. It's very strange how it's been "dropped". Any ideas?

To really, I mean really put some mid evil hurt on a person...Move them to Baltimore...Martin "The Teflon Leprechaun" O'Mally...Peter "I know how to run a baseball team" Angelos...Sheila "I'm a crooked..." Dixon...Babs "got mugged in a safe part of town" Mikulski...Peter "fucked the state" Franchot...the list goes on...not to mention the parasites...

Redlight-

If you were watching baseball and a guy hit a home run, and someone said, "wow, if that's not a home run, then there's no such thing as a home run," would you not take that to mean that the hit you just saw was the most ultimate and severe example of a home run ever?

Oh wait, you're gay. Let me put it this way: If a guy fucked you in the ass really hard, and afterwards you said, "wow, if that isn't an ass-fucking, then there's no such thing as an ass-fucking," would you not be expressing the fact that you were just ass-fucked in the most ultimate and extremely hardcore way?

Joe, Joe, Joe,
Even those of us who are not gay, at least not as of this morning, understood Hitchens remarks as Redlight did.

EvilPolock-

If you can't understand it my way from the baseball example, then you're retarded. Case closed.

If you were watching baseball and saw a guy hawking peanuts and your buddy said "Hey, that's Joe from the Drudge Retort".

Would you not say, "No shit? I thought he was a lawyer. Want a bag?"

I don't come to the site more than once a week anymore, I used to want to explode when I read how much stupid shit people post here. It's a little better now.

Posted by JOE at 2008-07-02 03:56 PM

I think your time is up, Joe, for a week (at least)

101,
See what ya did now???!!! Ya pulled Joe over to the dark side!!! He used to be reasonable but not any longer...nice job.

"I never said I went to a great law school, you fucking idiot.

Posted by JOE at 2008-07-02 04:29 PM"

You didn't have to. Anyone who can't figure out the difference between binding legal precedent and plain old precendent ends up in the kind of law school that "educated" you. Now, how about tossing us one of those bags of peanuts you're selling, huh kid?

precendent=precedent. (i know, i know...)

Redlight-
If you were watching baseball and a guy hit a home run, and someone said, "wow, if that's not a home run, then there's no such thing as a home run," would you not take that to mean that the hit you just saw was the most ultimate and severe example of a home run ever?
Oh wait, you're gay. Let me put it this way: If a guy fucked you in the ass really hard, and afterwards you said, "wow, if that isn't an ass-fucking, then there's no such thing as an ass-fucking," would you not be expressing the fact that you were just ass-fucked in the most ultimate and extremely hardcore way?
Posted by JOE at 2008-07-02 04:56 PM

This might be a colloquialism coast-to-coast, sorry that I offend you. My faggotry notwithstanding, perhaps reading the rest of Christophers’ statements places it in context easier.

"You feel that you are drowning because you are drowning -- or, rather, being drowned, albeit slowly and under controlled conditions and at the mercy (or otherwise) of those who are applying the pressure."

Slow, controlled conditions appear to be "lessening" torture, by pro-waterboarders argument, and that appears to be confirmed within these statements. So, you are clearly misinterpreting what Hitchens has written. It's at minimum torture.

I would say that water boarding is a form of torture. Drowning is a horrible way to die, and that is what it feels like because it is what is happening, you can just be brought back from it before you die. I would hardly consider myself a liberal, but waterboarding seems to me like it would be a form of torture.

The Bogus Paratrooper CAN'T be real!. "He" is a 75-year-old 4-foot-11 Chinese comedienne giving her version of the ultimate Murrican macho male. Without inspecting his records, which would make any red-blooded Murrican fwow up, can ANYone tell me if this "101" has ever said ANYthing beyond calling his intellectual superiors stupid. I try not to respond to the drill sergeant bullshit in his own ad hominem manner, but lawdie ... herm

I am still not sure waterboarding is torture? Lets get some congressional liberals together and test it again. Then we can have hearings about it and they can testify as to how much of a pussy they all were while being sprinkled.

Maybe we can get some of them to admit Global Warming is bullshit designed to gain more control over our lives. It doesn't take much to break pussy liberals down.

SEE YOU IN DENVER!!!

Bee Swell

"Maybe we can get some of them to admit Global Warming is bullshit designed to gain more control over our lives."

Junky, WHY would anybody do that? I can just see YOU on the wrong end of the water torture. Junky, that reminds me of the astronomer forced by priests to recant, muttering "and STILL the earth revolves around the sun." herm

I mean, Junky, what's in it for ME if I get you to scrap your pickup? herm

I can just see you on your knees...

~Junkie