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That's some wacked out shit right there. What utter poppycock.

Larry

I like this

I suppose Danni will soon be seeking Dutch citizenship.

"Paul Wilhelm, owner of De Tweede Kamer, a popular Amsterdam coffee shop, said: "It's a bit like saying to someone you can go into a cafe and you can buy a beer, but you can't drink it there"

YEAH!

It is absurd! However, what he describes (absurd laws) is written into many State laws here in the USA.

mixing tobacco with herb is for eurotrash

Us trailer trash would never ruin a good stash with tobacco.
So who's more PC?

My cardiologist has told me that I should cross the street rather than even walk behind a person who is smoking. Second hand smoke is that dangerous.
He also told me that weed poses no threat to my heart.

Sounds like the Dutch have it right to me.

Happily,
OWS

mixing tobacco with herb is for eurotrash

And Canuckistanis.

Spud smokes pot but almost always mixes it with tobacco.

Actually prefer it that way.

This offends the hell out of the purists wot Spud knows aplenty.

Read a book once called "The Dope Chronicles". In it they repeated anti-drug screeds from American newspapers going back to the late 1800s.

One of the many things Spud took away from this book was the fact that at one point some musicians on the west coast took to calling half and half tobbaccy/Mary Jane joints as "muggles".

Spud has been referring them as such ever since despite JK Rowling's use of the term to describe non-magical beings in the Potter books.

On Topic?

If yer only make one of them legal Spud sez it should obviously be pot.

Nice article sez Spud.

I wonder if the book was made with Hemp paper.

I also wonder if the author finished the book or if he got too stoned to finish it, lol!

spud

no tobacco for me

it smells
it stains
it makes me buy cigs
and the smell sticks!

weed smell goes away
tobacco smell gets all over you
until you bathe

Seems a little overboard to me.

Tobacco is in no way healthy for you but in it's natural form (without all the chemical additives) it's nowhere near as bad as the stuff the cigarette manufacturers sell you and is just as safe as pot in that sense.

" is just as safe as pot "

[citation needed]

can you fire up your crack pipe?

" is just as safe as pot "

[citation needed]

Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-07-01 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm referring to the overall natural chemical content.

Without all the 500 plus additives, tobacco, while still not healthy, is about as safe as mj. Not saying it's safe, I'm saying it's "about as safe".

"Tobacco is in no way healthy for you but in it's natural form (without all the chemical additives) it's nowhere near as bad as the stuff the cigarette manufacturers sell you and is just as safe as pot in that sense."

Posted by COMMONSENSE

Not quite true. As a relatively recent quitter of smoking those damned cigarettes, I went through all the research. The all-natural brand American Spirit actually contains quite a few noxious chems that occur naturally, plus contains as much as 30% more nicotine, which is the addictive substance after all.

Bottom line, there is no safe cigarette, natural or not.

And no, smoking Herb is no way equal to smoking tobacco. There are no physically addictive substances contained in Herb.

"I'm saying it's "about as safe".

And you're wrong.

Nicotine kills more people each year than all the other drugs, legal and illegal, combined.

If dope's so dangerous, why is Willie 75?

A real Dutch Treat

Posted by dethspud

Once, while on tour in the Nederlands, I was relaxing in the loft/bed of our tour van, when I cut a fart under the blankets.
A true "Dutch Oven" I thought.

We all gonna die someday. Do You want to be a putrid pile of wrinkles and 90 without hardly living or say 70 and had a blast while doing it.

Larry

Texas state law prohibits taking more than three sips of beer at a time while standing.

link by Red--

Pretty funny stuff--

Who needs three sips when one long gulp will do?

TFD,

In order for it to be a true Dutch oven you would've had to pull the blanket over somebody else's head.

Yours was a Dutch Oven in the on-deck circle.

If dope's so dangerous, why is Willie 75?

Posted by Zatoichi

What about Dylan? Oh yeah bad example he can't even talk anymore - not that he could previously, its just now he sounds like spud.

"What about Dylan?"

That wasn't marijuana.
I saw him at the Backyard, he was standing up.

Of course, if heroin's so bad, why is Keith Richards alive? He is alive, isn't he?

If dope's so dangerous, why is Willie 75?

----

How old was cigar smoking George Burns when he died?

"How old was cigar smoking George Burns when he died?"

Posted by Pirate

It was the chicks.
George knew where to put the cigar first.

In order for it to be a true Dutch oven you would've had to pull the blanket over somebody else's head.

Yours was a Dutch Oven in the on-deck circle.

Posted by JeffJ

Unfortunately, that's when I was still married, so no groupies for me that tour.

Um, for the "Willie is 75" crowd....Bob Marley died at 36 from brain cancer. Just for referential purposes.

TFD

I had 'Death Gas' one night on a tour bus. It was so potent it leaked out of my bunk and woke everyone up. The coughs and people getting up and leaving the bunk area woke me up. The last thing I remember hearing was a spray can going "pshhhhhhhhh".

I decided right then and there to avoid eating pork barbeque while on the road for the benefit of manking while on a tour bus. Then I got a big shit eating grin on my face. One of the more memorable farts of my life. Ironically, it wasn't far from Holland........Michigan.

"Bob Marley died at 36 from brain cancer."

And your point is?

You said Willie is 75. I offered an alternative case.

Smoke is smoke. It stinks.

Not quite true. As a relatively recent quitter of smoking those damned cigarettes, I went through all the research. The all-natural brand American Spirit actually contains quite a few noxious chems that occur naturally, plus contains as much as 30% more nicotine, which is the addictive substance after all.

Bottom line, there is no safe cigarette, natural or not.

Posted by ZOT at 2008-07-01 06:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

And no, smoking Herb is no way equal to smoking tobacco. There are no physically addictive substances contained in Herb.

Posted by ZOT at 2008-07-01 06:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

The noxious chems you mention are from the burning of the leaf. Most items will release some nasty stuff (pot too) when burned. (Ya need a vaporizer).

I realize what you're saying, but Tobacco isn't nearly as addictive in it's Natural form. The Nic levels are jacked up to the moon by the Cig makers to keep you hooked through cross breeding and chemical additives....just like the THC levels are so damned high now due to the same growing processes (without the added chemicals).

Not quite true. As a relatively recent quitter of smoking those damned cigarettes, I went through all the research. The all-natural brand American Spirit actually contains quite a few noxious chems that occur naturally, plus contains as much as 30% more nicotine, which is the addictive substance after all.

Bottom line, there is no safe cigarette, natural or not.

Posted by ZOT at 2008-07-01 06:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

And no, smoking Herb is no way equal to smoking tobacco. There are no physically addictive substances contained in Herb.

Posted by ZOT at 2008-07-01 06:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

The noxious chems you mention are from the burning of the leaf. Most items will release some nasty stuff (pot too) when burned. (Ya need a vaporizer).

I realize what you're saying, but Tobacco isn't nearly as addictive in it's Natural form. The Nic levels are jacked up to the moon by the Cig makers to keep you hooked through cross breeding....just like the THC levels are so damned high now due to the same growing processes.

But it's not the tar that kills, it's the hundreds of chemicals in cigarettes (like Benzene, for instance) that are the killers.

"Smoke is smoke. It stinks.

Posted by Unclesam"

I disagree. There are some smokes I like, some I crave, some I detest. But I'm down with the vaporizer.

Tobacco stinks worse though. It hangs around and actually can make a store smell like an ash tray. It is all the petroleum that the producers add to keep it burning.

If folks wanna blow their brains out with
dope, I say knock yourself out. But please,
don't pretend that there aren't consequences.

Marijauna effects (adversly) short-term memory
and it also blows cigarettes away as far
as tar and carcenogin goes.

Yes, marijauna can often be helpful to fight nausea
as well as pain & discomfort - BRAVO!

" it also blows cigarettes away as far
as tar and carcenogin goes. "

You can't even spell carcinogen.

AND you lie, too.

Nicotine kills 500,000 Americans a year.

Marijuana kills 0 Americans a year.

Stupidity, on the other hand ...

"don't pretend that there aren't consequences"

An account at Oat Willie's that dates back to the 60's.

What thread is this again?

"What thread is this again?"

Posted by Jomama

Panama Red is back in town ...

Progressive thinking at its finest. Kudos to my ancestral homeland. Us drug-loving Americans should take a cue from the Dutchies. I love the, um, smell, of weed.

It's not like I didn't try to tell you.

Cigarette smoking is directly responsible for the deaths of over 400,000 Americans a year. And yet, marijuana is still Public Enemy #1. It's occurred to me that the reason tobacco is still with us is they've crunched the numbers and determined tobacco production and manufacture provides way too much substantial tax revenue to federal, state and local governments to foolishly place on some Schedule A-like prohibition. $$$$$ doesn't talk...it screams.

Have you ever watched someone die of emphysema? For those who thankfully haven't, it ain't pretty or over quickly. But if there is any real serious discussion about banning tobacco in this country, I have no doubt smokers will come tumbling out of woodwork yodeling about their God-given right to chemically suffocate themselves to death if they want. I heartily encourage those that believe a ban on tobacco is an attack on their civil rights--to smoke even more. See if you can get it up to 5 packs a day like a real American. What's the Guinness Book of Records say about the world record holder for most sustained packs a day? (epithets redacted)

My old friend dying was my epiphany...what will your's be? Stop smoking cigarettes.

"Have you ever watched someone die of emphysema?"

Yup.

My mother-in-law. She smoked Kents. Go figure.

At least my old man smoked Lucky Strikes. They killed him at 66. My father-in-law #2 just turned 85. He never smoked.

freedom, freedom, freedom, freedom.....

thank you richie havens

The Good Lord gave us herb, to use and better ourselves. Including hemp because it is the most potent healer on this planet. Hemp seeds are amazingly nutritious, the oil is the cancer cure.

But tobacco is for other uses, it can be used as a pesticide. I've smoked Marlboro's and am glad that demon weed is no longer in my system.

And I am fucking stoned right now :))

How silly....

If secondhand smoke is the reason we're taking cigarettes out of restaurants,how would something like this make sense?

I don't understand how someone else can have the right to give me a contact high.....

If you smoke cigarettes, you may smoke 20/day or so and if you smoke weed you will only smoke one or two a day.

Arthritis acting up? We've got something for that. Losing vitality because of improper nutrition, or need something to sew quality clothes at cheap prices? Perhaps your lumbago is especially heavy in the morning. You got cancer? Your doctor knows nothing, WE have the one and only cure. All natural, genuine true and tried bonafide. I've got the medical studies right here, the facts are all in my book. Don't worry about my sources, what incentive would a man have to mislead another man? No additives or preservatives here folks, just wholesome earth goodness. Step right on up and get yours now because supplies are limited! Burn just one pipe of it and your house will smell sweet as a highland prairie all night long! Uncle Jimmy's Snake Oil will take care of everything. Sorry folks, that just slipped out.. I meant Uncle Jimmy's Marijuana, whoops! Marijuana!! Come and get it, it does EVERYTHING!!

(and this somehow got crossposted to another thread.. which I didn't even have a window open in. Guess it can mix up your packets, also.)

My father died of lung cancer eight years ago. It was ugly. I don't want to hear anyone defending cigarettes ever again.

"I don't want to hear anyone defending cigarettes ever again."

Posted by vickithebrit

Bob Marley died of melanoma (skin cancer), not brain cancer. Extremely rare for a black man, but then, he was abandoned by a white Father. A genetic gift from his Father.

Your dad had a choice and he chose to smoke. The cigarettes did not kill your dad, your dad killed himself.

And Bob Marley could have had his big toe removed and the melanoma would not have spread through his blood to his lungs and brain.

Wireless communication and data transmission will be the next cigarettes.