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"I have found, for the first time, my patriotism challenged -- at times as a result of my own carelessness, more often as a result of the desire by some to score political points and raise fears about who I am and what I stand for. I will never question the patriotism of others in this campaign. And I will not stand idly by when I hear others question mine." -- Barack Obama, in a speech today

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Patriotism is overrated.

Lots of firsts! Michelle's first time ever being proud of her country. Obama's first time ever apparently being challeneged on ANYTHING. Wow how they have both grown this year. I am very proud of them both.

And to a large degree, downright foolish.

Go to www.obamacures.com. An amazing story.

Nappy-
Um....you do know that you're a white guy who posts under "nappyheadedho", don't you?

Most people would think that was kinda weird, and that you had ...um..."issues", or something.

Lots of firsts! Michelle's first time ever being proud of her country. Obama's first time ever apparently being challeneged on ANYTHING. Wow how they have both grown this year. I am very proud of them both.

Posted by NappyHeadedHo at 2008-06-30 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag:


"being challeneged on ANYTHING"

Leave it to you to come away from the article with that.

And to a large degree, downright foolish.

Posted by Dave

Watch it, Dave... you're not gonna get far with the keepers of the status quo on this site with that kind of talk.

Imagine......

Nothing to kill or die for......

I may be a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

"Patriotism is overrated."

Not according to Obama and he will not stand idly by when he hear others question his.

"Go to www.obamacures.com. An amazing story."

Another bonehead too stupid to figure out how to post a link.

Must be a McCain supporter.

"Nothing to kill or die for......"


That is just sad.

"Must be a McCain supporter."

I've seen them. They scare me.

www.mysimon.com

Can he prove he wears a flag pin on each lapel and faces Washington three times a day to say the Pledge of Allegience?

"Watch it, Dave... you're not gonna get far with the keepers of the status quo on this site with that kind of talk."

Thanx fer th' concern, but I'll take my chances.

Why wasn't the Constitution w/ Bill of Rights given a snappier title, like "My Country Right or Wrong", or perhaps just the minimalist, yet salient, "W"?

he is a worthless fuckin marxist, that makes him a natural liar, and antiAmerican.

If you let the brainfucked and illegals vote that piece of shit into office, you will deserve everything you get .

"And to a large degree, downright foolish."

[Patriotism] ...is a word which always commemorates a robbery. There isn't a foot of land in the world which doesn't represent the ousting and re-ousting of a longline of successive "owners" who each in turn, as "patriots" with proud swelling hearts defended it against the next gang of "robbers" who came to steal it and did--and became swelling-hearted patriots in their turn.
- Mark Twain

So tempting to post Rightnut's past infamous quote.

Must resist.

If you let the brainfucked and illegals vote that piece of shit into office, you will deserve everything you get .

Dude, the election is over. Save your breath, Bush already one and we are in that world of shit that you are worried about.

Where have you been?

YAV-
Just type it in lower case...shhhhhh.

Can he prove he wears a flag pin on each lapel and faces Washington three times a day to say the Pledge of Allegience?

This week's Rolling Stone magazine has Obama on the cover, with a flag pin on his lapel. I figured it was PhotoShop'd on there by Jan Wenner after he got finished wiping Barack's man-sauce from his chin, but it turns out Obama actually wore it for the photo. I guess it's official he has completely caved to the lunatic right on the lapel pin issue. Let's hope Mahmoud Ahmadinejad doesn't request that Obama start wearing liederhosen...

Oh, and by the way, there is no question that Obama is still secretly smoking butts... look at those teeth... they are nicotine yellow. Barack, I have nothing against you smoking, but you should have the guts to walk off the plane, and down onto the tarmac, and light one up. Nobody expected it to really take when you quit last year as the election heated up..... you're running for president and you're sleep-deprived and eating crappy food and don't know what timezone you are in half the time.... of course you're gonna smoke. C'mon. Let's see that pack of Newport Lights on the podium at the first debate.

Are we really going to go there? Do you really want to compare Gramps McLame's choppers with the Chosen One?

"C'mon. Let's see that pack of Newport Lights on the podium at the first debate."

I agree. Standing up to the PC croud and showing you are a regular person with faults such as *dare I say?* enjoying a smoke would do wonders for those swing voters that doesn't want any government telling them what they should and should not do in their personal lives.

If you let the brainfucked and illegals vote....
then McLame'll be a shoo in!

If you let the brainfucked and illegals vote that piece of shit into office, you will deserve everything you get .

Posted by rightnut at 2008-06-30 05:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

RotNutz,

We'll get what we deserve?

Like 4 dollar/gallon gasoline?

Like a dollar that's fast becoming worthless?

Like 4000 dead soldiers?

Like turning your back and ignoring the man who was responsible for the deaths of 3000 American civilians?

Perhaps you meant a war that has raged for 5 years now with no end in sight?

Perhaps it was a deficit that has grown by 40% in only 8 years.

Did you mean the outing of covert agents for political purposes?

Face it, your false prophet was a total fraud and is now considered the WORST PRESIDENT IN RECORDED HISTORY, according to the numbers.

Suck on that!

Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels. How have we let the public discourse get so low that the litmus test for running for office is whether you goose step in front of a flag and pretend the US is the best thing that ever happened to the world. The truth is that the US is the NUMBER ONE problem in the world today. Take your pick: violence, war, weapons, waste, over-sized pieces-of-shit cars...you name it, we've got it.

Are Americans really so ignorant and uneducated that the worst name you can call somebody is elitist? God we could have used some real smart college educated elitists in the early days of Iraq or Katrina. Instead we've got a bunch of incompetent cronies that have traded the bowling alley for the library.

What a pathetic, over-fed, under-read country.

Turnleft,

The US is the most powerful and prosperous county in recorded history.

Despite her faults, that fact remains true - and it obviously pisses you off greatly, which makes me happy.

Obama's speech was quite good. McCain's answer to a reporter about Obama's patriotism SUCKED. He was a POS.

"Turnleft,

The US is the most powerful and prosperous county in recorded history.

Despite her faults, that fact remains true - and it obviously pisses you off greatly, which makes me happy."

And the goddam Titanic was the biggest most glorious motherfucking boat ever until she sank like a rock one night.

You'll be repeating the same mindnumbing platitudes as this country does the same.

Wake up and realize that we better start bailing FAST or we're fucked. I fought and sold my god-be-damned soul for this country, and I'm not letting it get completely screwed by a bunch of chickenshit pseudo-patriotic idealogues who are currently manning the wheel...

"What a pathetic, over-fed, under-read country."

Relax, dude.

A bong hit would werk wonders.

KGB,


Wake up and realize that we better start bailing FAST or we're fucked. I fought and sold my god-be-damned soul for this country, and I'm not letting it get completely screwed by a bunch of chickenshit pseudo-patriotic idealogues who are currently manning the wheel...


What do you suggest?

What do you suggest?


Posted by JeffJ at 2008-06-30 08:10 PM | Reply

How about righting Our ship first and taking care of the Homeland before we dick around in someone elses business. We too arrogant for our own good JeffJ. Need to be taken down a couple pegs first however.

Larry Mohr

Larry,


I am not necessarily opposed to that.

We have more of a global military presence than is really necessary.

How dare I tell JeffJ how to run His household when mine is in ashambles?? How dare I tell JeffJ how to run His household even when mine is not in ashambles??

Larry

"What do you suggest?"

Unlike Larry, who should be commended for trying to respond in earnest to the question of one who likely will not be an active participant in an eventual response only called for in the back alleys of the odd leatherneck convention; I do not hold out hope for this country as long as the current political system is in place.

And at my rather advanced age of 47, having fought for a questionable cause, my soul is sold.

So I find myself engaged short-term in selfish pursuits, drinking, and piss-and-moaning like an old man with a hard-on for the good ol' days, when the men I shot at or shot at me were 2 dimensional shades registered by the two dimensional mind of youth.

However, that does not mean I don't lie.

I do.

I lie down like an animal and I wait...

I wait for the time I find my own time and place to yell, "Retreat??? Fuck no, I just got here!!!"

So just consider me, for the moment, your average loudmouthed libertarian online know-it-all who wants you to know that Johnny Walker says "hello".

And perhaps in the future, you'll come to consider me something else.

Questions about his patriotism were raised during the Democratic nomination fight, and Obama started wearing a flag pin on his lapel in May in one attempt to answer them. Earlier in the campaign, when critics questioned why he didn't wear the pin - as many male politicians do - he said he had stopped after the 2001 terrorist attacks because he felt it had replaced "true patriotism" for some public officials.


So something else he has redefined and can't talk about his allegiance to people like Ayers and Wright.

And Obama lost on this with the Clark statements as we see that Obama has no experience at all to be POTUS.

"Questions about his patriotism were raised during the Democratic nomination fight, and Obama started wearing a flag pin on his lapel "


If I was running for President I would tattoo the constitution on my chest...


Not to remind others how patriotic I am

but rather

to remind myself each day in office where my mandate to lead comes from.

Questioning patriotism. God, Rove's act is really getting stale

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-06-30 05:50 PM

There isn't a foot of land in the world which doesn't represent the ousting and re-ousting of a longline of successive "owners" who each in turn, as "patriots" with proud swelling hearts defended it against the next gang of "robbers" who came to steal it and did--and became swelling-hearted patriots in their turn.
- Mark Twain

Gosh, null, Mark Twain seemingly didn't like "the way things work," and you are suggesting that you agree with him. So, the way the world works keeps you agitated. Okay.

By the way, although he had a much smaller audience, and a smaller repertorie which he was able to repeat in his appearances before relatively small crowds, Mark Twain was quite clever and insightful. He was his era's Rush Limbaugh.

so how can some of you people who hate patriotism so much even care what someone says about him?
doesnt seem like that would be such a big deal....unless you can use it to lie about mccain or bullshit like the weasel leslie clark did this past sunday......

and here is another question that will probably only get a fuck you moron instead of an answer but we on the right are used to that shit......

if I cant have an opinion on the war on terror because I didnt serve in the military, then why are some of you going to vote for a man who has as much military service as I do.......and he might be the friggin commander in chief and I CANT EVEN TALK ABOUT IT???????????????

The US is the most powerful and prosperous county in recorded history.

Posted by JeffJ

I believe the US is the greatest country that has ever existed on this planet. It makes me sad that we're becoming weak. We can't even walk 3 blocks to go to the store.


Questioning patriotism. God, Rove's act is really getting stale

Posted by igmoramus at 2008-06-30 09:26 PM |


You can add me to the list also.

If this douche can't even manage to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem then i don't want him.

Besides he is breaking protocol by not doing it.

Americans have every right to question any candidates motives or actions.

He speaks about his message.

What fucking message?

Disrespect?

The Commander and Chief can't even put his hand over his heart.

Good message.

This fucktard has an excuse for every stinking thing he does.

What is his true message?

I don't know and neither do any of you.


rwd


www.time.com

I believe the US is the greatest country that has ever existed on this planet. It makes me sad that we're becoming weak. We can't even walk 3 blocks to go to the store.


Posted by RastaCyborg


We are becomming weak because of fucktards like you who tear at our national pride.

Look in the mirror dickhead and you will see who i am talking about.

Also man up and get a carry permit.

It is your right.

Use it or lose it.


rwd

" . . . some of you people who hate patriotism . ."
BLT
A woman once asked me why men like to watch lesbians having sex. We don't. We like to watch porn start pretending to be lesbians having sex.
It's the same thing here. We don't hate patriotism. We hate gutless chickenhawks pretending to be patriots and then quesioning our patroitism.

Obama doesn't have any patriotism to defend. He has spent his life in league with racist agitators and hate-mongers, and domestic terrorists, those so discontent with America that they continually denounce it, and some such as Ayers, reprotedly took up arms against this government.

What is the quantum of "patriotism" that is connected to Obama? Zilch. Zero. Nada. Nothing.

The crumb even refused to wear a flag pin, a refusal that served as a symbol of his disaffection, until it became a potential campaign issue, and then being a politician without integrity, he very publicly began to "wear his pin." Gosh, you would think, that a candidate for President would have thought this country was worthwhile earlier in his life. But then, his wife is not particularly enamored of this country either, grievance collector that she is, so they must both be infused with a spirit of condemnation of America. As Rev. Wright declared and yelled, "Damn America. God damn America."

Obama has had experience hammering in posts for politicians' signs, and organizing a kid's baseball league. Does he have any administrative or executive experience? Er, ah, no?

But Obama is an inspirational leader, who along with other faith healers, heals the sick, raises the dead, cleanses lepers, and casts out demons.

Here Obama has even "cast out" his former friend and mentor, whose values he had adopted. But now, Obama has freed himself from the grasp of that Devil Rev. Jeremiah Wright, cast him aside. Satan comes in various guises, and had Obama fooled. But Obama has grappled with the Devil Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and cast him out.

Say Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

Why even the atheist cadre that supports and advances the cause of "Obama," has seen the light and adores their great leader now. The "Cult of the Personality" thrives with Obama adulated. Good-bye Fidel. Good bye Che. Welcome Obama.

"If this douche can't even manage to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem then i don't want him."

You know, there's one photo of one time he didn't have his hand over his heart during the anthem. I've seen several where he does.

I don't know about you, but I can't swear that every single time in my life the anthem was played, that I had my hand over my heart.

And even if you did it 100% of the time and I did it 90% of the time, please explain how that would make you a better American than I am?

One presidential candidate had a dad who was a Navy Admiral. Who graduated 5th from the bottom of his class of almost 900 and would have flunked out of pilot training had his dad not been an Admiral.

The other grew up with a single mother, went on to get an Ivy League degree from Columbia University, worked for peanuts helping downtrodden neighborhoods, then went on to become the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review.

Who's life is actually more representative of the American dream? The one who got his handed to him on a silver platter or the one who didn't?

And even if you did it 100% of the time and I did it 90% of the time, please explain how that would make you a better American than I am?

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

I agree with what you say,with the exception being perception is everything in a national race for the presidency.
I for one read peoples actions as more of an indication of themselves then what they say.
There are many things that trouble me about this guy.
And to even it out,about McCain also.
I feel we could of done much better then selecting these two,one who will be our next president


rwd


rwd

"Earlier in the campaign, when critics questioned why he didn't wear the pin - as many male politicians do - he said he had stopped after the 2001 terrorist attacks because he felt it had replaced "true patriotism" for some public officials."

Which is a very valid point. Too many people, some of them right here, get too wrapped up in the symbols and trappings of patriotism, and forget what it actually means to BE patriotic.

"Obama started wearing a flag pin on his lapel in May in one attempt to answer them."

Yes, he started wearing one again when a vet at one of his rallys handed him one and asked him to wear it. He did so out of respect for the man.

It's the same thing here. We don't hate patriotism. We hate gutless chickenhawks pretending to be patriots and then quesioning our patroitism.

Posted by igmoramus at


I disagree....and all you have to do is read posts here to understand why I disagree.


AU.........on this thread about obama'a defense of patriotism....how can you try to throw darts at mccains service?
we see this coming from the liberal and thier lapdog press.
clark on face the nation and a couple of newspaper articles about it today......

and here's the kicker


as rush asked today./

so being a pilot and a pow isnt good enough training to be president but being on a pt boat(jfk) or a swift boat( the frenchlooking guy) is?
and someone who has NEVER SERVED IS?
so this is the test today?

BL2

I didn't question McCain's patriotism.

My point was who has more reason to be patriotic? The one who got everything handed to him or the one who didn't?

Only in America could someone like Obama rise to the level of education and prominence he has.

That's my point.

Even though McCain stated he didn't really love his country until he was a POW I'm sure they both love their country equally.

We hate gutless chickenhawks pretending to be patriots and then quesioning our patroitism.

BL2

Young Republican Chickenhawks

BL2,

You and Rush, as usual, are missing the point. None of those things by themselves makes one qualified. Not manning a swift boat, not being on a PT boat, and not manning a shot-down aircraft.

However, serving many years in the Navy & Senate, especially on the committees McCain has served on, does make one qualified. But no one would suggest every wartime pilot shot down is qualified to be the President of the United States. Not even John McCain.

terrorist attacks because he felt it had replaced "true patriotism" for some public officials

What utter bullshit.

He looked at that little tiny pin and thought that?

Bullshit.

I am going to have to look closer and see if he is wearing his wedding ring.

rwd

wow....AU....thanks for the link.......after reading the first statement, look at what someone answered.......


Republicans are pro war, as long as they don't have to join the Military. They are all yellow cowards! Chickenhawks! What a disgrace! Tom DeLay(DRAFT DODGER) speaking in front of all of these sissies says it all! Round them all up and send their yellow asses to Iraq so our heroes can come home! IAM A PROUD LIBERAL DESERT SHIELD/DESERT STORM VETERAN!

rickbey (4 days ago) Show Hide 0 Marked as spam Reply To the creator of this video, when your father, Sidney Blumenthal, was senior advisor to Bill Clinton in 1999 when he bombed the Serbs in Kosovo, did you serve?


good answer.........

its plain and simple.....you dont have to be a veteran to have an opinion EITHER way on the war on terror and using that bullshit does no good whatsoever to the debate.
EPECAILLY when so many of you are all about obama...days in the military....NONE......
and how about blowjob billy......days in service? NONE.....
and how many deferments did he get?
and I am NOT ripping either one of them, but I am ripping the people who attack republicans when they got deferments and high lottery numbers.........you cant have it both ways.

BL2

The rah rah Young Republicans in that video were all about the Iraq War. Well, until they have to take all those 'bad backs' and sign up.

Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rice, Kristol, even Bush 43 who spent his million dollar training in bars. NONE of them saw fit to serve in the military (or in Bush's case the Vietnam War - a war he could have volunteered to take his million dollar training to), but they sure were willing to take us to war.

Man, I wish we were doing some 'nation building' right here in OUR nation.

Sigh...

PS FDR didn't serve in the military either. He sure turned out to be a top notch CiC though. It's all about judgment.

even Bush 43 who spent his million dollar training in bars.

liberal jibberish that is simply not true


NONE of them saw fit to serve in the military (or in Bush's case the Vietnam War - a war he could have volunteered to take his million dollar training to), but they sure were willing to take us to war.


thousands of good men and women did EXACTLY the same thing and you demean the guard when you say this..

AND........

PS FDR didn't serve in the military either. He sure turned out to be a top notch CiC though. It's all about judgment.


EXACTLY RIGHT>.....and in other posts I have called reagan the SECOND best president in the 20ty century with fdr slightly ahead ....not because he is the patron saint of liberalism and threw INNOCENT jappaneese americans behind fences....but because of the situation with winning two wars on two worldwide fronts........

and you said the MAGIC WORD......judgement....and do we HAVE to go over barrywaynes judgement with sleezy land deals in chicago, his advisor who is a blatant racists and ayers and all the others....
how about those for bad judgement?


gotta go.....have some parts to print out....

"Patriotism is overrated" - I believe those are the exact words of the French, with rifles on the ground and hands in the air. Of course the liberal left disdains the idea of standing up for the country whose tit they suckle upon.

even Bush 43 who spent his million dollar training in bars.

liberal jibberish that is simply not true

BL2

Hm. He never did tell the American people where he was and what he was doing. You'd have to assume though, based on his drunken days before and after, he was tipping some serious booze.

You wanna talk about advisers. His CHIEF adviser, Charles Black, just the other day said what we need is another terrorist attack.

Sorry, not the kind of advisers I like out president to be surrounded by.

(Charles Black - McCain's chief adviser. Still on the old payroll too.)

(Same Charles Black who was negotiating from the back of McCain's 'Straight Talk Express' bus against Boeing and for the European consortium who wanted to build the new fleet of supertankers)

Be careful guys. These "patriots" are very frightened. Who knows what they might do if they are cornered. Say the word "terrorist" and they shit their pants right here on the spot. Next thing you know they will be grabbing it and tossing it our way.

It's the 1950s all over again!

--Sam "Hussein" Barber--

You wanna talk about advisers. His CHIEF adviser, Charles Black, just the other day said what we need is another terrorist attack.



ABSOLUTELY and POSITIVELY and just out and out UNTRUE......and you know it.....that is not even close to what he said..

and even if it was.......I could then remind you of dick gebhardt wishing for the stock market to crash when he said that for every 100 points it drops, the dems get another seat in congress.......

I just read his speech transcript.

Well done, the man has good speech writers... whether ya like his politics are not, just like Reagan, you have to acknowledge the man can be inspiring.

www.historyplace.com

One of Reagans speeches I remember most vividly.. just cuz i felt like sharing

Obama Defends His Patriotism


Good luck with that.


He stopped wearing a flag pin because he saw others wearing it and simultaneously acting in an unpatriotic manner. I guess if he flew a flag at his house (I know - just stay with me) and his neighbor flew a flag and also acted like an asshole, I guess Obama would just rip down his own flag and urinate on it (Yes - more plausible). In short, he allows the actions of others dictate whether or not he wants to wear a flag pin. That's some real leadership for you.

That's alright though. He and his syncophants will start playing the victim card over these questions, and the ever-willing press will serve as his echo chamber.

Jeff?

Do you seriously imply some lack of moral fiber based on when Obama wears a flag pin"?

I mean seriously, is anyone here under the illusion that either of their candidates is above "politics"?


The non-issues people continue to try and ascribe some merit to because "it speaks to their character" amaze me sometimes.

This goes for Mcaains "Cunt" wife, or Obamas pastor, or either of their "flip flops".

The only really salient voting criteria I have in front of me in this country in its current state and who has gotten it here. That doesn't bode well for Mccain

Good luck with that.


He stopped wearing a flag pin because he saw others wearing it and simultaneously acting in an unpatriotic manner. I guess if he flew a flag at his house (I know - just stay with me) and his neighbor flew a flag and also acted like an asshole, I guess Obama would just rip down his own flag and urinate on it (Yes - more plausible). In short, he allows the actions of others dictate whether or not he wants to wear a flag pin. That's some real leadership for you.


That's alright though. He and his syncophants will start playing the victim card over these questions, and the ever-willing press will serve as his echo chamber.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-07-01 06:49 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Obama has a looming problem on his hands presuming he wins the Democratic nomination.

His problem is a perception of a lack of patriotism.

We have:

1. His 'outward' refusal to wear a flag lapel.
2. The picure of him not placing his hand over his heart during the pledge.
3. His pastor's inflammatory, anti-American comments and Obama's lame attempt to distance himself.


I have no doubt that Hope supporters can explain away all of this - even to a fairly convincing degree to a news junkie like me. However, an awful lot of Americans are not news junkies. Sound-bites and negative ads can be very effective. At the end of the day, Joe sixpack (Obama's purported base) is a patriotic fellow. If Obama can be effectively painted as seriously lacking in patriotism, Obama's base shrinks.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-03-16 12:33 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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I guess Obama would just rip down his own flag and urinate on it (Yes - more plausible).

Oh yeah, that's plausible.

My flag came down when Bush won his 2nd term.

I never pissed on it.

I took it down because Republicans kept pissing on it.

Just because I'm a gutless chickenhawk doesn't mean I can't question other people's patriotism.
-Rush Limbaugh

"and in other posts I have called reagan the SECOND best president in the 20ty century with fdr slightly ahead"

And those of us who read realize that you don't know any better and thus we forgive you for saying something so idiotic.

This is so fucking stupid - which probably means this is going to be an important issue during this campaign.

"If Obama can be effectively painted as seriously lacking in patriotism, Obama's base shrinks."

Maybe, but it is also quite likely that the economy will be so bad that McCain can't convince anyone that continuing Bush's policies is a good idea and even a black ARab Muslim Communist Radical will still offer the only hope we have and thus win in a landslide while Rush and Sean Hannity sputter into insignificance.

"...can't even manage to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem then i don't want him.


Besides he is breaking protocol by not doing it."

Not really. The "hand over heart" gesture is for the pledge of allegieance, not for the national anthem (which I bet many of the pseudo patriots here can't even recite the entire first verse of).

It is appropriate to stand respectfully, arms at your side.

"The Commander and Chief can't even put his hand over his heart."

It's not "Commander and Chief", it's "Commander-in-Chief" and then, to be clear, that is only the president's military role, not his position over civilians. Some folks get all fired up about so called correct expressions of patriotism and then display such utter ignorance that it is really disheartening.



"Some folks get all fired up about so called correct expressions of patriotism..."

What is truly astonishing is the people that see ONE picture of Obama without his hand over his heart and go ape-shit crazy and assume that he "never" puts it over his heart, or "refuses" to do so.

But when you post 3-4 pictures of him WITH his hand over his heart (as I have done) they completely dismiss it.

how can we really be having this discussion?

how long are the democrats going to allow the right to control the conversation?

Haven't we learned ANYTHING in the last 8 years?

how long are the democrats going to allow the right to control the conversation?

You have to love the Boy Wonder and his cronies. HE mentions his race in a speech. HE mentions his patriotism. HE mentions his lack of experience. His minions and the media pick it up as though it is in response to accusations from the otherside. I guess this is the so called change.

BTW... Didn't the patriotic Obama vote against the Flag Amendment, the English Language Amendment as well as other symbolic measures?


Haven't we learned ANYTHING in the last 8 years?

Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Howard Dean. The three leading contenders for the POTUS never serving a day in the military. Never as much as running a city, county or state. Less time in the US Senate... Nough said???

But when you post 3-4 pictures of him WITH his hand over his heart (as I have done) they completely dismiss it.

PhotoShop. :-)


Besides he is breaking protocol by not doing it."


Not really. The "hand over heart" gesture is for the pledge of allegieance, not for the national anthem (which I bet many of the pseudo patriots here can't even recite the entire first verse of).


It is appropriate to stand respectfully, arms at your side.

Posted by DCinMA at 2008-07-01 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:


You are wrong.


rwd

Just because I'm a gutless chickenhawk doesn't mean I can't question other people's patriotism.
-Sean Hannity

"...and he might be the friggin commander in chief and I CANT EVEN TALK ABOUT IT???????????????"

Posted by bushlovertwo

Bush was a piss poor choice for CiC. You love him.

Despite her faults, that fact remains true - and it obviously pisses you off greatly, which makes me happy.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-06-30 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does 4100 dead soldiers make you happy too?

You are wrong.

Posted by rightwingdon

You are actually correct...
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301. National anthem

(a) Designation. The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing. During a rendition of the national anthem
(1) when the flag is displayed
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note

However, in this famous photo of Obama...
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All are breaking the code by having their back to the flag and not facing it.

BTW, did you know it's disrespectful to cheer or applause after the National Anthem? So I guess millions of NASCAR and MLB and other sports fans are just as unpatriotic as Obama.

Posted by igmoramus at 2008-07-01 06:44 PM

Just because I'm a gutless chickenhawk doesn't mean I can't question other people's patriotism.
-Sean Hannity

It's interesting how the "chicken-chickens" think they have a phrase that will deprive others of the opportunity to present their opinions on matters of national policy.

Does not having served in the military deprive someone of the "right" to comment? I'd support that leftist thesis since the preponderance of those who have served in the military oppose the chicken-chicken positions.

You "chicken-chickens" don't have the right to comment on any matters of national policy since not only didn't you folks serve, but your folly and pacifism would weaken this country and expose others of us to harm.

By the way, ignoramus, Hannity is not in the crucible. He's merely a citizen presenting his opinion on someone else, who has put himself forth as a candidate, and therefore whose worthiness for the office is subject to examination.

Obama is at issue. The candidates are at issue. Anyone who will present cogent material that demonstrates how lacking in fitness for office a particular candidate is, is providing a useful service.

What has Obama done to date except use and sell crack cocaine, use inciting racial antagonism as a community organizing tool, dispensed taxpayers' money to supporters, and collected personal payoffs for his corrupt practices?

Johnson-
Just to pick one, how 'bout you document any of this:

"What has Obama done to date except use and sell crack cocaine"

While Obama has mentioned in his book and elsewhere that he tried cocaine in high school, there was no mention of "crack" or selling. So did you just pull that out of your ass with all the other racist garbage you spew, or can you back it up?

It's actually very simple Johnson. If you feel that this is the struggle of our times. If you feel that America's very existence is threatened by Islamofacists as is the argument presented over and over again. If you really feel that this war is that critical and you don't go fight, then you are a coward. And feel that America is not worth your own life to save.
I have yet to hear anyone on the Left espouse such importance for this cause, so they are exempt from the criticism. Hannity and Limbough and many here however...

Johnson,
I did serve in the military and Hannity is a gutless chickenhawk. Do you relly believe Obama sold crack? Sounds like you have him confused with your dealer. I'm sure all those guys look alike to you.

The demon knows his time is short, he will lie and deceive, the brainless, morons, liberals,will follow in wonder of his arrogance. Who is like unto the beast, who dares stand against him ? Receive his mark and follow him into oblivion, damnation's fires . For he has led the world astray and he will pay in eternal fires. osama obama is a worthless lying and deceiving pile of shit.

Anyone who votes for this fraud deserves the consequences of his agenda.

RIGHTNUT,
Don't forget that you voted for Bush; twice. Who's the real moron?

and in other posts I have called reagan the SECOND best president in the 20ty century with fdr slightly ahead"


And those of us who read realize that you don't know any better and thus we forgive you for saying something so idiotic.

Posted by danni at


I need to know why you think that its idiotic when I admit that the patron saint of liberalism is the best pres of the 20th century......of course I have already been through your bullshit on RR.
so I guess you consider carter better?

Reagan - who was a liberal Democrat until he wanted to run for California governor, and since there wasn't a Democratic slot reached out to Barry Goldwater and completely reversed himself on everything he'd stood for all his life for political expediency?

THAT Ronald Reagan?

Reagan - who armed the Iranians who'd just released out hostages in a quid pro quo?

Reagan - who as a 'conservative' quadrupled the national debt?

Reagan - who as a 'those Democrat tax and spenders' raised taxes more than any other president since WW2?

Reagan - who lied about arming the contras?

Reagan - who couldn't remember his name the last 4 years of his presidency?

THAT Reagan?

I did serve in the military and Hannity is a gutless chickenhawk. Do you relly believe Obama sold crack? Sounds like you have him confused with your dealer. I'm sure all those guys look alike to you.

Posted by igmoramus at 2008


and we honor your service but just as in the case of bullshit from max cleland and others.....your service doesnt do two things.
it doesnt mean that we who didnt cant support the war on terror and trying to say that does nothing for your argument
and two.....it doesnt mean you are automatically right on anything having to do with the war on terror...IN FACT......according to the NY times, if bush had listened to some of the other generals INSTEAD of pretraous, iraq would be in the hands of terrorists today instead of on the road to democracy.....

...SO when you come up with this....."I DID SERVE"...you sound like a pompous idiot instead of someone who served our country honorably......
so your response will show us which one you wish for us to think you are.......

BL2

You need to realize that those who 'terrorized' you work in the White House.

FDR would have kicked their asses all over God's green acre for using Orange Alerts and fear as an excuse to do all manner of underhanded deeds.

Some idiots in the ME don't scare me. They did you I guess.

Well, you do live in Texas. If they're going to enter the country they'll do it somewhere along the border - the most obvious place - Bush hasn't seen fit to seal in 7 years since 9/11.

Boo!! LOL

the RR who took us from the 'malaise' of the carter failed years
the RR who took us from 70 % tax brackets to todays rate
the RR who, along with the pope and thatcher brought down the soviet union......and if you dont understand that, then you dont grasp that whole era.....it was the star wars threat and his unretreating on it that make the ruskies realize that they would not be able to keep up with us.....and I know this because I have read accounts of soviet generals after the meetings at reavick(SP)....the one in iceland.....
and lets not underestimate this bringing us out of the carter malaise...
but you and danni keep on spewing that history revisionism.....we understand that this is not the time to rave about a republican......

and I dont think too much of this messiah not having his hand over his heart and all...because at the beginning of every card at the race track, for instance, they play the national anthem and one time I will have my right hand over my heart and the next time I wont and the time after that I might even be still reading the racing form.....but I always stand and remove my hat. its not a matter of patriotism, its a matter of respect for the men and women who died so that I could live in this country......

and also.......I 'AINT" running for president. I would think that ONE of his handlers would say...uh your messiahhood.......maybe you should place your hand over your heart like all of the others you are running against..I mean if they throw the muslims out of the rows behind him, I would think that he could at least fake it with the pledge......

We're in a "pre-Carter" deja vu period.

Carter gets all the blame for the oil crisis, which led to record inflation.

Had he had the same Chairman of the Fed Bush had, interest rates wouldn't have gone to 18%. But, those were more pragmatic times when the Fed tried to discourage inflation and credit.

As IF Carter had control over the oil price.

Crap, compared your grocery tab to last year even? EVERYTHING is a LOT more expensive because of the oil spike.

So, don't blame Carter for that one. He didn't cause the oil crunch, nor was he Chairman of the Fed either.

It was Pope John Paul II that was responsible for the wall coming down. He supported Lech Walesa's cause in Poland - the first of the Iron Curtain countries to fall. After that happened, other Iron Curtain countries saw they could do it too.

FYI, Reagan met with Gorby kicking and screaming.

Thank God there were sounder minds than Reagan's at that time.

OH, and Gorby gets a ton of credit for Perestroika.

Without him, the Soviet Union wouldn't have fallen.

I still laugh when I recall W's saying, "I looked him in the eye, and I could tell he was someone I could work with", speaking of Putin.

Well, now Putin's a dictator.

Huh? W should have never listened to those 'voices' that told him to invade, or his 'gut' for that matter regarding Putin.

In just the past week Barack Obama has changed his mind on several key issues. We just thought you might want to keep score.

* He was against granting immunity to telecom companies that aided our government in eavesdropping on telephone messages to and from known terrorist operatives overseas. Now he is for granting this immunity to the evil telecom corporations.
* Some time ago Obama said that he wholeheartedly supported the ban on the private ownership of guns in Washington DC. Then, after the Supreme Court came down with their ruling last week, suddenly Obama is a supporter of the people's right to keep and bear arms.
* Earlier this year Obama said that he was going to accept public financing of his presidential campaign after the convention. Now that he has seen he could get more money from private contributions than he would from public financing, he changed his mind.
* NAFTA? Barack was going to immediately renegotiate all of the evil NAFTA treaty. Now ... well, let's just say "not so much."

"Change we can believe in" turns out to be "I believe I'm going to change my mind."

"So when you come up with this I DID SERVE, you sound like a pompous idiot . ."
BLT
I "came up" with it bacause JOHNSON said I did not serve.
It's easy to figure out that you did not serve, considering your contempt for a guy (Cleland) who left it on the field.
My contention stands. Those, like Hannity, who beat the drums of war but do not serve are gutless chickenhawks. He wants us to attack Iran, continue to occupy Iraq, continue fighting in Afganistan, but isn't willing to sacrifice his cushy job at Fox to help out. He's a gutless chicken hawk and that is an indesputable fact.
I didn't say he didn't have a right to his opinion. You and Johnson implied that I did. You'r a liar. So is Johnson. BTW, if you really love Bush call 1 800 GO ARMY and tell them you want to help out. If you can't do that then at least have the courage to admit you want a fight but don't want to do the actual fighting. I'll understand.

Clark's comments where staged and this whole thing seems a little to convenient to me for 2 reasons. One, it eliminates any Kerry/Swift Boating allegations and the baggage that goes with it. Two, Obamas answer was canned and attempted to promote his patriotism-- and nothing more.

Calling Wesley "Waco Texas" Clark a General is like calling Jeremiah Wright a Reverend. Both are a joke. Obamas cronies continue to create a vast damage path that is being dressed up by the liberal media.

"Calling Wesley "Waco Texas" Clark a General is like calling Jeremiah Wright a Reverend."

And---let me guess---you're upset at Clark for disrespecting McCain's military service, right?!?

It's easy to figure out that you did not serve, considering your contempt for a guy (Cleland) who left it on the field.


debate me all you want but dont lie about what I said. I have no contempt for max cleland only respect for giving his limbs and possibly his life, so dont put words where they dont belong. BUT that doesnt mean he is always right and doesnt mean that he cant be a democrat hack. I can seperate the two, why cant you?

igmo...your last post sounded like many parent teacher conferences I would have where the parents would try thier best to make the dispute ABOUT ME rather than about thier child who was the one who fucked up. nice try at a deflection, but its all bullshit when all you have to argue with is.....well you didnt serve, so you cant be in favor of war.......lets see....how many men and women did blowjob billy send into combat and then tell me what rank he made it to ....OOPS.....sorry....maybe you can talk about his letters to everyone who would listen about Keeping him out..
my point is the hypocracy of the left and the fact that presidents do much more than support the war.....they send men and women into it and being a vet is not a prerequisite for being president.......(unless you are tall and look french and marry a billionaires)

FYI, Reagan met with Gorby kicking and screaming.


Thank God there were sounder minds than Reagan's at that time.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-07-02 02:45


oh please....reports from generals were that when the conference fell apart it was because RR refused to kowtow to gorby and stop the star wars initiative...and the general was quoted as saying to others.......that if america didnt drop star wars, that the USSR was in its last days....and he was right.

and in my post...I give credit to the pope as you can plainly read and thatcher......but I give lots of credit to RR.....so why cant the left? you credit the pope in that area and you are right but to leave out RR for purely political reasons...WHICH IS WHAT YOU AND OTHERS DO.....is silly politics over facts......

come on bro.....'sack it up' in the face of the assault you will get for saying it......say it.....RR was a vital part of the end of the USSR........

* He was against granting immunity to telecom companies that aided our government in eavesdropping on telephone messages to and from known terrorist operatives overseas. Now he is for granting this immunity to the evil telecom corporations.

here is a quote from bill burton....in the obama campaign...

"to be clear: barak will support a fillibuster of any bill that includes immunity for telecommunications companies"

bill burton...october 24,2007


* Some time ago Obama said that he wholeheartedly supported the ban on the private ownership of guns in Washington DC. Then, after the Supreme Court came down with their ruling last week, suddenly Obama is a supporter of the people's right to keep and bear arms.

* Earlier this year Obama said that he was going to accept public financing of his presidential campaign after the convention. Now that he has seen he could get more money from private contributions than he would from public financing, he changed his mind.

* NAFTA? Barack was going to immediately renegotiate all of the evil NAFTA treaty. Now ... well, let's just say "not so much."


and in the words quoted from his advisor and confidant of 20 years.

" he does what politicans do"

jermiah wright.....a noted racists and hater of america....

so what is the bottom line on what all of this means..

he is just another politician but one who talks 'real purdy' and has the media and citizens of this country so hoodwinked that I predict he will win.....and in 2012 the white house will be back in the republican corner.

"jermiah wright.....a noted racists and hater of america."

So he gave a sermon (a sermon most people don't realize had its roots in the Bible). BFD.

Has the guy done anything overtly racist?

and not just because he talks 'real purdy' but because he gets a pass on serving in the military just like clinton did and he gets a pass from everyone on the planet for everything much like you read here every single day.
he will also win because the republican candidate is a war hero and I honor him but if he cant find the balls to defend himself.( the latest from wesly clark is the most recent example)...and attack when appropriate, then he will lose and just as rush sighed about the other day....neither one of us are so sure just HOW MUCH mccain really wants to win anyway.

Has the guy done anything overtly racist?

Posted by Danforth at 2008


puulllease........just listen to what he said. that explains better than anything I could add.
and remember that racism isnt just anti black or anti semetic

"puulllease........just listen to what he said."

I heard what he said, so I'll ask again:

Has he done anything?

* Some time ago Obama said that he wholeheartedly supported the ban on the private ownership of guns in Washington DC. Then, after the Supreme Court came down with their ruling last week, suddenly Obama is a supporter of the people's right to keep and bear arms.


I bet many politicans had a position before Roe v Wade that had to change.

He supported the ban. Then, the Supreme Court ruled. The Supreme Court interpreted the Constitution. There is no choice for the next president but to defend the Constitution. There were a lot of people unsure about the 2nd's meaning. The challenge was made and the ruling was made.

There are a lot of people taking a new position because it has been defined by the court. You don't have to agree with the court, but the ruling stands- -just like Roe v Wade and many other decisions.

If Obama still supports a position for the ban, he'll need a Constitutional Amendment. You have to weigh your beliefs against the nation. This is a common sense decision.


I'd like to see a Constitutional Amendment that deals with the SCOTUS ruling on eminent domain. That has a better shot than a 2nd amendment change.

"how many men and women did blowjob billy send into combat and then tell me what rank he made it to"

He made it to rank of Commander-in-Chief. That would be the rank just above a 5-Star General.

BLT,
Perhaps you misunderstood my post. I was not implying that phoney patriots can't question the patriotism of others. I simply find it ironic that they do.
If you really love your country then you feel a sense of patriotism. But you need to understand that are some people who claim to be patriots but merely use patriotism to manipulate others.
If you still haven't figured out that Sean Hannity is a phoney patriot, then I suspect that you're not very bright. And your blathering only reinforces my suspicion. Learn the difference between a patriot and a sheep.

Obama MUST take the high road on every issue that would expose him for the empty suit that he is... He must deflect all focus away from his weaknesses even if he has to defend McCain! It is so obvious. Tomorrow it will be something else... and the day after, ad nauseum!

He just does not have the experience on his resume that the job he is seeking requires... but then that appare