Wes Clark is done. He kept on pushing the evelope in hopes of being named the veep (and I was in favor of him being named veep until this), but that all went out the window due to his overzealousness.

2008 the election year of nitpicking

there is so much snippet hate from both sides of the fense in this election year

jesus

talk about having to watch what you say.

Taxman: Yeah-- if only the media would accept reality and play McCain's '100 years is OK with me.' or 'bomb, bomb, Iran.' or any of his other 2 second sound-bites, it'd be the same for him. But the corporate media would never do something like that to such a kind gentleman... he gives them interviews and opposes regulations and government oversight to protect people...

So.... what? Obama threw Wes under the fighter plane?

For this?

(sighs)

Corky-
Are you a McCain supporter now?

Well, ya' gotta wonder about ol' Wes. Even Bill Clinton relieved him in Bosnia. He must think he's Alexander Haig or something.

No matter how much you beg, I am not joining your support club, BG.

So.... what? Obama threw Wes under the fighter plane?

Wait, how this is Obama's fault?

Pathetic

"Obama rejects Gen. Clark's Comments"

A pathetic mind is a terrible thing to waste.

How is Obama disagreeing with him throwing him under the bus? It isn't like Obama told Gen. Clark to go and make these statements.

I hope someone asks Hillary if she agrees with Gen. Clark's statement; I would be willing to bet she would agree with Obama on this one.

I hope someone asks Hillary if she agrees with Gen. Clark's statement; I would be willing to bet she would agree with Obama on this one.

Posted by taxman

Taxman:

So you agree that riding in a fighter jet and being shot down is a qualification for being president?

What about all the previous presidents, ever? They weren't qualified?

I never said that MCAS, I just think Wes Clark was overzealous and took too big of a swing for a politician. To the average viewer, this appears as a swipe at McCain's patriotism, which is a "no-no" among many independent voters. Personally I agree with Clark, but politically he went about it all wrong.

Oh, please. Clark, while inelegant, was spot-on: manning a fighter plane and getting shot down doesn't qualify one for being President. And John McCain would probably be the first person to tell you that.

Seriously...everybody who has been shot down manning a fighter plane is qualified?!? Of course not.

I watched this unfold. All I could think when Schieffer said "Really?" was "of course it doesn't, you frikken numbskull!"

The Press and McCain's surrogates are making this worse for McCain. This is the first salvo against McCain's image. The idiocy and blatant acceptance that being a POW and being tortured makes one worthy of being President is being exposed as emotionalism.

McCain should have let it slide.

He lets so much slide, then grabs the wrong thing.

It's his age.

I guess the part that is really funny is that Clark --while in the Hillary camp, stated that Obama was not qualified to be POTUS. That should be played over and over.

Now he says this.

Clark is a dope and so is Obama.

Obama through his surrogate Clark, thought this would deflect away from Obama--because Obama has no military service at all--except for hanging up posters and playing pool while in the hood as a community activist.

They should hope this issue goes away..

And where does McCain ever claim that being in the Navy and in the Hanoi Hilton makes him qualified for CiC?

He can put it out there as part of his biography.

But the Dems can't help themselves to tear apart someone who served in the military.

Even with Kerry--they pick a guy who hated the military when he returned from active duty.

It isn't like Obama told Gen. Clark to go and make these statements.

Posted by taxman at 2008-06-30 04:55 PM | Reply

Really? Are you sure about that?

And besides Obama throws everyone under the bus and it's always after the person, pastor, church, priest, wasn't who he thought they were....

This kind of stuff is all over the internet and on lefty blogs--and Clark fell on the sword for Obama to bring it up in the derogatory way he did.

Relax, Murphy. Listen to some music...

Clark fell on the sword for Obama

Oh please...the truth is that McCain never had a major command, a requisite for any Captain in the Navy to advance to RA. I want to see McCain's 180 file which should include psychiatric reports that would undoubtedly contain information as to why he got the 100% disability.

He was too nuts to handle a sea-going command and you think he should be commander in chief?

Let's forgive him of collaborating with the NVs, but refrain from giving him the Football. Okay?

Oh, please. Clark, while inelegant, was spot-on: manning a fighter plane and getting shot down doesn't qualify one for being President. And John McCain would probably be the first person to tell you that.

Seriously...everybody who has been shot down manning a fighter plane is qualified?!? Of course not.

Posted by Danforth at 200

and as I asked on another thread....

so flying a jet IN COMBAT and getting shot down and taken as a pow DOESNT qualify you.
but riding in a swift boat and getting out long enough to shot a guy in the back is......

or being in a pt boat is.....(jfk) but not flying a jet..........

hhhhhhmmmmm so now I guess we have the standard for being qualified through the military........

and lets also look at clark's record......
just WHY was he relieved of command of nato?
and didnt I read somewhere that he was the general in charge of the military that killed all those americans in waco back when?????? or was that a different clark?

"and as I asked on another thread.."

BL2,
And as I answered on another thread:

None of those things by themselves makes one qualified. Not manning a swift boat, not being on a PT boat, and not manning a shot-down aircraft. However, serving many years in the Navy & Senate, especially on the committees McCain has served on, does make one qualified. But no one would suggest every wartime pilot shot down is qualified to be the President of the United States. Not even John McCain.

What DOES qualify one to be president?

Serving as governor of a small southern state for four years?

Serving as governor of a small southern state for ten years?

How about serving ten years in a corrupt state senate and two years in the U.S. Senate? That's a lot of government service.

Maybe a three-month tour in Vietnam and service with Jane Fonda during the war? Twenty three-years as a junior senator to Teddy?

Twenty three years military service where graduating from the National War College and serving as the Navy's liaison to the U.S. Senate plus twenty six years with the U.S, House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate?

I'm having a problem determining what our little leftist-socialist friends consider to be qualifications for the presidency.

Serving as governor of a large Southern state didn't seem to help.

"Serving as governor of a large Southern state didn't seem to help."

Oh, I don't know...probably depends a lot on who is your opponent.

I'm not a big McCain fan, but Clark's statements were totally unnecessary.

And Obama.........all I can about him is = Oh, please!

I have noticed over the course of his campaign, he has waited for public opinion before commenting on statements made by many of his well known supporters. As soon as public opinion shows negativity towards him and his candidacy for those remarks, he immediately comes out and takes the opposite position ( even when he had said or agreed with the position before) and acts very "insulted" and "grieved" and "shocked" by their words.

I'm sick of his political shinigans already and he hasn't even been elected yet.

Can anybody have the guts to stick to their guns on some very basic issues like this? What Obama is doing is not the same as coming to the realization that you were wrong or misguided in a previous position on an issue. Its pandering to public opinion and his supporters are too starry eyed to see it.

But no one would suggest every wartime pilot shot down is qualified to be the President of the United States. Not even John McCain.

Posted by Danforth at 2008-07-01 01:30 AM

That would be correct and McCain has Not ever said that his service has made him qualified to be POTUS.

This isn't Kerry stating reporting for duty at the convention and making it a huge issue in his campaign.

Kerry had to as Bush already had the experience with four years under the belt.

It was a catch 22 for Kerry.

Oz--Clark is still maintaining his statements after Obama disagreed with him. He won't stop or shut up.

McCain's 100% disability comes from the fact that he broke both arms when he was shot down.

The man is unable to raise those arms above his shoulder. Ever notice how when he waves his arm they will come out straight across his waistline or slightly higher?

That's why he disabled.

This is a losing issue--but keep on going and turn off the Independents and Reagan Democracts and others to Obama and highlight the fact that Obama has no experience at all in anything.

"I don't think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president,"

I'm still trying to find out what was wrong/inaccurate/inappropriate about this statement.

Graduating number 795 out of 800...now THATS presidential material.

It is not McSame who boasts that his military experience qualifies him to be POTUS, neither is it Obama who claims McSame's experience disqualifies McTrollup/cunt from being POTUS, so lets drop this discussion.

SCHIEFFER: I have to say, Barack Obama has not had any of those experiences either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down. I mean --

CLARK: Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.

SCHIEFFER: Really?

ROWLAND (me): Really.