Better reset that clock on the new server or are the hampsters on NewFoundland time?

2 nooners? I'm not a machine...

Rob, if anyone could do it... it would be you!

Wow, this is like those science fiction movies were people are in a plante with two (or several) moons or suns. Just great.

Rob, if anyone could do it... it would be you!

Posted by 726

Your sister said the same thing to me...

Really? I did not know I had one. When is the family reunion? You sure that wasn't your cousin or something?

In June 2000 George Bush said in an interview during the election that the rise in Oil prices to $30.00 a barrel is because of the failed energy policies of Presidents Clintons Administration.

Today with Oil selling at $142.00 a barrel, would some of you dickheard on the Right like to spin the Bush's Administration policy on Energy?????

When President Clinton left office gasoline was selling for $1.00 a gallon, today the gasoline is selling at my gas station for $4.56 a gallon. Come on guys defend your Presidents policy if you dare........

When is the family reunion?

You're not invited... people want to have fun.

as Obama moves right, or flip flops, whichever. who is he lying to? the left that nominated him or the voters he is trying to attract? either way, i thought this was what America was fed up with, lying politicians. i mean he is supposed to be about change, right? i guess this tactic of going left for the ticket and right for the election is unchanged.

so my question is, which do you lefties out there think is the real obama?

Come on guys defend your Presidents policy if you dare........

Posted by celisary

i thought the congress refused to pass his energy policy?

When President Clinton left office gasoline was selling for $1.00 a gallon, today the gasoline is selling at my gas station for $4.56 a gallon. Come on guys defend your Presidents policy if you dare.....

I see Celisary infected both Nooners. Didn't your hero claim there was plenty of oil and no risk of prices going up when he expanded the ban on drilling at home?

On CBS's Face the Nation this morning, Obama surrogate Gen. Wesley Clark said of John McCain: "I don't think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president."

The McCain campaign responded with a statement from Admiral Leighton "Snuffy" Smith:

If Barack Obama wants to question John McCain's service to his country, he should have the guts to do it himself and not hide behind his campaign surrogates. If he expects the American people to believe his pledges about a new kind of politics, Barack Obama has a responsibility to condemn these attacks.

Clark's attack is a bit like saying that JFK's boat getting sunk wasn't a qualification to become president in 1960. Can you imagine the outrage if someone said that Clark's getting shot four times in Vietnam didn't count as a qualification for the presidency?

When choosing a commander-in-chief, most voters do take into account the courage and heroism that candidates displayed while serving their coun

In fairness to Obama, he gave a speech today praising McCain's service and his campaign issued a statement saying directly that he rejects Clark's statement...

Clark went to far and just cost himself any consideration as Vice President I think... Now Obama's gonna have to spend time praising McCain until this story goes away.

Here's the link with a couple quick lines:

Gates to Join Obama? Uh-Oh posted by Robert Dreyfuss on 06/29/2008 @ 10:52am

According to insiders, Barack Obama's campaign is debating how long it can leave ambiguous the notion of "residual forces" in Iraq after a presumed Obama-ordered withdrawal of combat troops begins in January 2009. But there are worrying signs, perhaps the ugliest being the rumor that Obama might recruit Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to his campaign. (Yes, that's President Bush's secretary of defense.) The Times of London reports this stunner, even quoting Richard Danzig, Obama's top military adviser and a former secretary of the Navy in the Clinton Administration, saying:

"My personal position is Gates is a very good secretary of defence and would be an even better one in an Obama administration."

Adds the paper:

Obama's top foreign policy and national security advisers are pressing the case for keeping Robert Gates at the Pentagon after he won widespread praise for his performance. The move would be in keeping with Obama's desire to appoint a cabinet of all the talents.

Meanwhile, conservatives and cautious centrists in the Democratic party want to soft-pedal Obama's commitment to end the war in Iraq.

Michael O'Hanlon, a Brookings Institution scholar who supported President Bush's so-called surge in January, 2007, is one of those. He told the Moonie-owned Washington Times this week:

"Three or four of his Iraq advisers are hinting of greater flexibility, though speaking for themselves, not for him. That indicates the potential for some change in his previous position or at least some flexibility."

O'Hanlon's role as a Hillary Clinton adviser crashed and burned last year after he emerged as a strong advocate for continuing the war in Iraq, and he's not an Obama adviser.

The Post reports rather ominously today:

Some advisers acknowledge privately that Obama is now emphasizing the need to be "responsible" in handling Iraq -- rather than emphasizing urgency in getting troops out -- to appear more centrist, a substantial adjustment of his original antiwar stance.

But the Post quotes Obama's key foreign policy adviser, Denis McDonough saying that Obama is not changing anything. Still, according to insiders, the word "responsible" has been affixed with superglue to Obama's Iraq position by the campaign's more centrist advisers, who are trying to pull the candidate to the right.

first uh oh, what about bring home asap?

second, why does he have to go right to get elected, i mean if the liberal way is so popular and accepted....

danni, this is from the nation--not a right wing rag

Can you imagine the outrage if someone said that Clark's getting shot four times in Vietnam didn't count as a qualification for the presidency?

That be repeating what the swift boat veterans for Bush said, about Kerry,right?

As far as "responsible", could that be to respond to the "cut and run" lies coming out of the McSame camp? 19 months after January 2009 ain't exactly cut and run ala Reagan.

Keep in mind that Senator Obama comes from the most corrupt state in this nation. It's a total cese pool....Remember the name Tony Rezco...it will come up

That be repeating what the swift boat veterans for Bush said, about Kerry,right?

As opposed to Clark at the Dem convention in 2004? He touted Kerry's service record as the number one qualification to the presidency. Now as usual it is a different tune. It was almost comical listening to him downplaying McCains record as minimul and foolishly claiming he never had to make any decisions.

Keep in mind that Senator Obama comes from the most corrupt state in this nation. It's a total cese pool....Remember the name Tony Rezco...it will come up

Posted by jcash at 2008-06-30 01:39 PM

Not to mention the Joyce Foundation, The Chicago Tribune, Reverend Wright...

Joyce Foundation:

Governance:
Previous notable board members include 2008 Presidential candidate Barack Obama who served on the board from 1994 through 2002.

Gun Violence Prevention and Gun Control:
Since 2003, the Joyce Foundation has paid grants totaling over $12 million to gun control organizations[10][1]. The largest single grantee has been the Violence Policy Center, which received $4,154,970[10] between 1996 and 2006, and calls for an outright ban on handguns, semi-automatic and other firearms, and substantial restrictions on gun owners.

Didn't Obama just come out support the Supreme Courts ruling on handguns? When he was on the board of this foundation, it would seem he was clearly against handgun ownership, so what's the deal here?

I'd never heard of this silly Joyce Foundation before Crisp's post... but it seems pretty clear they are staunchly against gun ownership. Obama served on their board... Why would he serve on their board if he didn't share their beliefs?

I don't own a gun, I have no plans to buy one in the forseeable future, so the issue really means little to me, but what Obama said the other day doesn't seem to square with his work for this foundation.

When he was on the board of this foundation, it would seem he was clearly against handgun ownership, so what's the deal here?

dunno Rob, we're all still trying to figure out of Mcsame is for/against/remembers Bush's tax cuts.

Rob-Obama came out for individual rights before SCOTUS ruled- he was on the Joyce Foundation board which gave money to another organization. Doesn't necessarily mean he or they agrees with every tenet of every grantee. And SCOTUS made it clear they weren't opposed to some gun controls-the ruling referred only (as Alito pointed out)home protection and hunting.

he was on the Joyce Foundation board which gave money to another organization. Doesn't necessarily mean he or they agrees with every tenet of every grantee.

Being a paid board member doesn't mean he agrees? Obama not only was paid, but directed funds himself. Go back to calling McCain McBush.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and research.--8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

And SCOTUS made it clear they weren't opposed to some gun controls

Few people are completly against some gun controls... but Obama and this foundation gave a shit ton of money to a group that doesn't want anyone to own handguns... it just seems like Obama is only paying lipservice to gun owners now.

Is anyone really surprised with Obama's staunch anti 2nd amendment agenda? Hell he even used it in a speech. Something about people clinging to their guns and bibles...

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21

That's reasonable...

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.

Also reasonable...

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods

As is this

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration

Don't know why anyone would have a problem with this...

A lot of his stances on guns sound reasonable to me... but his work with this foundation, and some of the other facts listed above in Crisp's post seem to show that he disagrees with the Supreme Court's latest ruling on handguns, even if he says otherwise now.

"but his work with this foundation...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-06-30 02:44 PM"

Rob - is this one of those charitable foundations that gives money to all sorts of other organizations, or is it a foundation that is dedicated to gun control issues? If its the former, I disagree with you. If the latter, then I see your point.

If the latter, then I see your point.

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-06-30 02:48 PM | R

Simply go to the Foundation and see for yourself. Their mission is to get rid of guns from society.

Blair Hull, who is ready to spend 40 million dollars of his 350 million dollar net worth; Hull is smart but he lacks the ability to speak or excite in a political or public forum, and no experience even trying to do so. Worse, Hull has a messy ex-wife problem that happens to come out in the last two weeks of the campaign. There is that Obama lucky political timing again. Or, was it bare knuckle politics by Obama's staffers and cronies that greased the road for the disclosure? In either case, Obama wins the primary easily [53% to 24%, over Hynes].

In the general election, Republican opponent Jack Ryan looks like a credible opponent to Obama. Ryan has the money, the looks and perhaps the smarts to take on Obama. Obama himself says Jack Ryan may be prettier, but I have more depth.-- Maybe, but well never find out. Jack Ryan self destructs with a little help from enemies in his own party and some shadowy, flame-throwers outside his Party, as well as the Chicago Tribune. The Chicago Tribune spent a million dollars to unseal a child custody file in California, an act which the Tribune never did before, or since. Lucky Barack, again.

Jack Ryan had an ex-wife problem [she alleged in a divorce/child custody battle that he pressured her to go to sex clubs] that comes out with all the sordid details in June, 2004, causing Jack to announce by June 25, 2004 that he will withdraw. By early August, 2004, Jack Ryan drops out officially and the Republican Party in Illinois, if you can call it a Party, replaces Jack Ryan with Alan Keyes, one of the worst candidates, ever, to run for the U. S. Senate in a general election. The Keyes campaign is described derisively by Keyes own handlers as resembling more of a Pentecostal Revival meeting than a political campaign. Boy, is Obama lucky in the opponents he attracts.

Thanks you Chicago Tribune.

Barrack H Obama

WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon said Monday it is charging a Saudi Arabian with "organizing and directing" the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole _ and will seek the death penalty.

Which again explains exactly why we're in iraq and Bush does dancing monkey imitations for saudistani royals.

Some Emo Phillips jokes:

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realised, the Lord doesn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked Him to forgive me ... and I got it!

So I'm at the wailing wall, standing there like a moron, with my harpoon."

A Mormon told me that they don't drink coffee. I said, "A cup of coffee every day gives you wonderful benefits." He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well, it keeps you from being Mormon ..."

I'm not Catholic, but I gave up picking my belly button for lint.

When I was a kid my dad would say, "Emo, do you believe in the Lord?" I'd say, "Yes!" He'd say, "Then stand up and shout Hallelujah!" So I would ... and I'd fall out of the roller coaster."

Did someone call this Penny Rcade a LIBERAL thread? My lord, it would take the energies of thinking people everywhere to set straight the bullshit from the Crispies, Robs and all. Crispy's cutting and pasting the NRA talking points is simply beyond belief. herm

WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon said Monday it is charging a Saudi Arabian with "organizing and directing" the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole _ and will seek the death penalty.

Which again explains exactly why we're in iraq and Bush does dancing monkey imitations for saudistani royals.

Posted by northguy3 at 2008-06-30 02:52 PM

Are you believing the Pentagon? Didn't the Pentagon say Iran is behind some of the terror networks in Iraq? Which was ripped apart by the left here? Selective agreement?

""FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21

That's reasonable...""

Have a car at 16 but not a shotgun till 21?

""FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.

Also reasonable...""

Not for collectors, many pay big money for sequential serial numbers or matched sets.

""FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting"" periods

As is this""

Plus a licensing? Seems a little redundant, or he does not think licensing will work.

""FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration

Don't know why anyone would have a problem with this...""

Ask an Australian

So Jack Ryan's personal problems - i.e., that he is a sexual pervert (republican, go figure) - are Obama's fault.

Idiot logic at its finest.

"Some Emo Phillips jokes:"

sweet!

ROTFLMAO!!

Crispy's cutting and pasting the NRA talking points is simply beyond belief. herm

Posted by herm at 2008-06-30 02:57 PM

Sucks when the talking points provide references Hermy Boy. What is beyond belief is the support of Obama. Or the proven ignorance of you and the left here.

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005.

""FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21

That's reasonable...""
Have a car at 16 but not a shotgun till 21?

Under your reasoning Obama wants to ban anyone under the age of 21 to serve in the military. Or become a cop or any other job where a gun is issued.

The Joyce Foundation supports efforts to protect the natural environment of the Great Lakes, to reduce poverty and violence in the region, and to ensure that its people have access to good schools, decent jobs, and a diverse and thriving culture. We are especially interested in improving public policies, because public systems such as education and welfare directly affect the lives of so many people, and because public policies help shape private sector decisions about jobs, the environment, and the health of our communities. To ensure that public policies truly reflect public rather than private interests, we support efforts to reform the system of financing election campaigns....

The Foundation believes that better public policies can help reduce gun violence. It supports the efforts of law enforcement officials, legislators, municipal leaders, the medical and public health communities, advocacy groups, and others in pushing for measures to stop gun trafficking, keep guns out of the hands of criminals, prevent children from getting access to firearms, and other measures that offer promise of combating gun violence.

Yep, it sure looks like the Joyce Foundation wants to take away your guns.

Bush said oil prices would fall in his administration, yet they have hit the stratosphere with record profits for the oil companies.

In the first half of 2000, gas prices were in the news. Everyone was upset, as oil had been around $10 a barrel the previous year. Then that spring oil prices doubled to $20/barrel. Vice President and Democratic nominee Al Gore blamed oil companies. Texas Governor and Republican nominee George W. Bush blamed President Bill Clinton.

Now that Exxon-Mobil posted record-high earnings, oil is nearing $140 a barrel, and Bush has been in the White House long enough to have Cheney realize his dreams, the president's blame game has shifted.

U.S. Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman told summit attendees there is no evidence that speculators are driving up the price of oil. Instead, an increase in demand from developing countries such as India and China is to blame.

This record-shattering increase in oil prices occurred under Shrub's watch. Yet, in 2000 the meathead blamed Clinton for a mild of oil price increase compared to Shrub's lame duck gouging.

Bush has failed all of us, but he is the toast of the town as far as Big Oil is concerned, still protecting their right to make us suffer at the pump.

excerpted from BuzzFlash

"Have a car at 16 but not a shotgun till 21?"

First rifle at 7; I took that Remington single-shot .22 to show-and-tell in 3rd grade.

First shotgun at 12.
(I still have it.)

"Under your reasoning Obama wants to ban anyone under the age of 21 to serve in the military. Or become a cop or any other job where a gun is issued."

What the hell are you talking about?
My point was, which do you think is more dangerous, a 6000 pound Truck doing 110 or a little birdshot?

Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals over 2.4 million times every year -- or 6,575 times a day. This means that each year, firearms are used 60 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.

Of the 2.4 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, in 92% of these defensive uses, the mere sight of a gun or a warning shot scares off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.

Of the 2.4--million self-defense cases, more than 192,000 are women defending themselves against sexual abuse

We already have over 20,000 gun laws on the books that are being ignored by criminals. In the Columbine High School tragedy, at least eighteen (18) existing anti-gun laws were broken. Does anyone really think the shooters cared they were breaking those anti-gun laws? By definition, does any criminal care that (s)he is breaking the law? Any law? What possible good can more anti-gun laws do other than to further penalize and harass honest American citizens who wish simply to enjoy their Constitutional rights?

"Only Sporting arms are protected by the Second Amendment" False, as the Supreme Court determined in the United States v. Miller (1939) the type of weapon protected is one capable of being used as a Militia weapon and of the type in common use at the time. Therefore, the very weapons, that the Federal and State Governments are trying to ban, Military Type Weapons, Assault Weapons are the ones specifically protected according to the Miller case.

Under your reasoning Obama wants to ban anyone under the age of 21 to serve in the military. Or become a cop or any other job where a gun is issued.

Guess what CrispeeCream?

The military may issue you a rifle but it doesn't belong to you. Same with service arms issued by the police.

Either you're too stupid to figure that out, or you're trolling with no bait.

"14. Barack Obama campaign website: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .-- (www.barackobama.com"

What his website says:

"Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade."

OMG!!!! He wants to take away your guns!!!
What, he doesn't???
He just wants law enforcement to be able to track the information to what???? solve crimes???
Crazy!!!

Under your reasoning Obama wants to ban anyone under the age of 21 to serve in the military. Or become a cop or any other job where a gun is issued."

What the hell are you talking about?

I was expanding to your approval of anyone under the age of 21 owning guns? The example of a truck and a gun are so lame it didn't warrant a response.

a 6000 pound Truck doing 110 or a little birdshot?

Posted by salamandagator

Ask Harry Whittington.

Anyways, you forgot to add "woman behind the wheel applying eyeliner".

Have a car at 16 but not a shotgun till 21?

I just look back to what an unstable douche I was at times in high school and college... not that I would have shot people, but that time in a guys life is crazy enough without adding firearms in... I have no problem with kids having to wait until they are 21 to own a gun, just like drinking...

The military may issue you a rifle but it doesn't belong to you. Same with service arms issued by the police.

Either you're too stupid to figure that out, or you're trolling with no bait.

Posted by OzarkAggie at 2008-06-30 03:19 PM |

Glad you found something in the post I didn't. Here is the bait:

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.

Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals over 2.4 million times every year -- or 6,575 times a day.

Crispee, where did you get this info? I am not questioning you, I just want to see how the study defined "defending themselves" and how they collected the data. Moreover, people claim "self-defense" a lot whenever they are facing jail time for harming another person, I wonder if this study includes criminals who claim self defense as well.

"Firearms Owners Identification card"

Fuck that.

a measure designed to assist young people in the military.

Are you still claiming that people under the age of 21 who serve aren't able to use a gun/rifle while performing their services?

Texas should never have joined the goddam Union.

Imadinnerjacket's wife is HOT!!!

She's sure showing a lot of skin.

Are you still claiming that people under the age of 21 who serve aren't able to use a gun/rifle while performing their services?

Posted by taxman at 2008-06-30 03:34 PM

Of course not.I was being sarcastic about someone posting it is OK to ban all those under 21 from owning guns. I expanded on the silly idea using the military and police etc.

I bet she's hot in that stupid black sack.

I just look back to what an unstable douche I was at times in high school and college...

I can't believe you opened yourself up like that. I really can't believe people aren't peppering you right now with stupid shit like "what do you mean 'was'" or something along those lines.

I can't believe you opened yourself up like that. I really can't believe people aren't peppering you right now with stupid shit like "what do you mean 'was'" or something along those lines.

Posted by taxman

Sometimes I like to setup a good "Captain Obvious" joke...

My douchebaggery here is nothing compared to years 13-21ish...

Crispee, where did you get this info? I am not questioning you, I just want to see how the study defined "defending themselves" and how they collected the data.

"I just look back to what an unstable douche I was at times in high school and college... not that I would have shot people, but that time in a guys life is crazy enough without adding firearms in... I have no problem with kids having to wait until they are 21 to own a gun, just like drinking"

haha
i would have been shot

Crispee, that link doesn't have those stats, neither do any of the links in the article you posted. In fact those articles seem to contradict your position:

My douchebaggery here is nothing compared to years 13-21ish...

I was an idiot well into my mid-20's (I worked in a bar and thought that was the best life ever) - until I married and started law school.

"I was an idiot well into my mid-20's (I worked in a bar and thought that was the best life ever) - until I married and started law school."

now you KNOW it was the best life ever ;)

Crispee is posting some other bloggers opinions as fact...what a shock.

Facts are so inconvenient!

FACT!

Crispee, that link doesn't have those stats, neither do any of the links in the article you posted. In fact those articles seem to contradict your position.

It thought it was taken from an ABC poll. Looking back the poll may have nothing to do with the statistics used as fact. It also claims the NORC may be biased because of the funding it gets from the Joyce Foundation and other anti 2nd amendment groups.

Please, You did not expect Bryan to tell the truth did you. An ABC poll shows 73% feel the second amendment is a personal right...

Since Bryan has opened the door to the use of "Statistics," let us have a look at verifiable facts, and things Bryan does not want you to see.

"Texas should never have joined the goddam Union.

Posted by Zatoichi"

They didn't! The Union joined THEM!

Fact!

Show us the facts, Cris old buddy ol pal...not the rantings of a fellow NRA member, facts.

[citation needed]

Crispee is posting some other bloggers opinions as fact...what a shock.

Posted by evilpolock at 2008-06-30 03:54 PM

Too bad you can't claim it is wrong or find anything to prove otherwise. Just another little troll. Bored today evil? Try looking at the National Safety Council moron.

"The British Foreign Office, with French support, advised Ashbel Smith,qv the Texan agent to Great Britain and France, that a "diplomatic act" was needed to force Mexico to make peace with Texas and recognize its independence. They wanted the United States to join their efforts to end Texas-Mexican hostilities. Pakenham, however, opposed the plan, and the matter was dropped. Houston favored a "diplomatic act," but Anson Jones, the president elect, balked. Jones wanted annexation and thought that the threat of an alignment with England, connected with the cotton trade, was the key to achieving it. In June 1844 the United States Senate voted thirty-five to sixteen to reject the treaty.

The annexation of Texas also became a major issue in the United States election of 1844. The Democrats ran James K. Polk, of Tennessee, for president with the campaign slogan "the Re-Annexation of Texas and the Re-Occupation of Oregon," hoping to capture the expansionists' vote both North and South. The Democrats won by a large vote. Tyler viewed Polk's election as a mandate for immediate annexation. In his annual message on December 2, he urged Congress to approve annexation by a joint resolution, which Congress passed on February 28, 1845, and Tyler signed on March 1. He then dispatched Andrew Jackson Donelson,qv a nephew of Andrew Jackson, to Texas with instructions to press for its acceptance. The terms were generous. Texas would be annexed as a slave state rather than as a territory. She would keep her public lands and pay her own public debts. She could divide herself into as many as four additional states. The terms of annexation had to be accepted by January 1, 1846. In May 1845, the United States dispatched a fleet of warships to protect the Texas coast. "

Crispee,
Nice try punk but if you're going to post something as fact, then show us the source.

Show us the facts, Cris old buddy ol pal...not the rantings of a fellow NRA member, facts.

Posted by evilpolock at 2008-06-30 03:58 PM

Will this shut your troll ass up?? I doubt it.

I assume this is what you're talking about.

S'OK, punk, I already pulled your facts up for ya. Just say thanks.

Crispee,
Nice try punk but if you're going to post something as fact, then show us the source.

Posted by evilpolock at 2008-06-30 04:06 PM

Notice how they used the same data? Some claim it is from the National Safety Council. Can you possibly comprehend this as fact? Or does the NRA control all the data? Move on little man. Unless you can prove otherwise or have done your own stats shut the hell up.

Crispee is posting some other bloggers opinions as fact...what a shock.
Posted by evilpolock at 2008-06-30 03:54 PM

S'OK, punk, I already pulled your facts up for ya. Just say thanks.

Posted by evilpolock at 2008-06-30 04:13 PM

Soon as you apologize to the blogger I used. What a shock you look like a fucking idiot with a size 8 shoe in your mouth.

Uh huh...where's the link to a government study or something other than another bloggers posts...that show the numbers you posted? You do understand the words credibility and fact, right?
BTW, I didn't say a word about the NRA controlling anything. Just that your "facts" were from an NRA members rants.
See, the way it works here is, if you post something as fact, statistics, etc, you kinda need to have a link, etc. It's not my job to verify the "facts" that you probably made up...or read somewhere else.
It's not enuff to be a copy and pasting machine like yourself...ya need facts.

Oh yeah and...I apologize for the name calling. I try to avoid that sorta thing.

See, the way it works here is, if you post something as fact, statistics, etc, you kinda need to have a link, etc. It's not my job to verify the "facts" that you probably made up...or read somewhere else.
It's not enuff to be a copy and pasting machine like yourself...ya need facts.

The facts proved you talked out of your ass. Or you were simply trying the troll angle. Maybe if they were wrong would you have a case. You ignorantly dismissed the stats because of where they were pasted from? Go back and look at your stupidity at 3:58.
(Show us the facts, Cris old buddy ol pal...not the rantings of a fellow NRA member, facts.)
Posted by evilpolock at 2008-06-30 03:58 PM

Uh huh...where's the link to a government study or something other than another bloggers posts...that show the numbers you posted? You do understand the words credibility and fact, right?

I understand you have put the other size 8 in your mouth. You got room for the feet? Or are you finished looking like an idiot?

LOL

LOL

Posted by evilpolock at 2008-06-30 04:37 PM

Ditto

Main Entry: 1ditto
Pronunciation: ˈdi-(ˌ)tō
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural dittos
Etymology: Italian ditto, detto, past participle of dire to say, from Latin dicere more at diction
Date: circa 1639
1 : a thing mentioned previously or above used to avoid repeating a word often symbolized by inverted commas or apostrophes

How's that Evil? I can provide other dictionaries.

OK, one more...I'll wait.

Better reset that clock on the new server or are the hampsters on NewFoundland time?

For some reason the script that posts Nooners at noon isn't working yet. I have to noon myself.

I never did see the Retort at work, RCADE.

For the last fifty years our violent crime rate has hovered between 450-650/100,000 people per year, about 1.5 million per year. The worse the economy gets the higher crime tends to go and visa versa.

Yet Crispee Cream is saying that there were 2.4 million crime prevention events with guns last year. What a load of shit.

CC-I just thought of something that would be a gas. Back some considerable year when I worked in drag racing. I met a really nice and a little weird person.

He is/was the third brother of the famed racing Unser Brother. His name is Louis Unser and he was handicapped.

In a short time (hope,hope, hope) when I leave this facility, I am getting a nice powered wheel chair.

Now for the tie in, Louis had a need to modify anything. His motorized wheel chair could tow the drag car back from the runs. That isn't to big a deal until you hear that he did it at 45mph. He was quite a card. I thought that someone could send a winning lottery ticket and I will build the first wheel chair with a small block chevy. Or take my own week end winner and get the help I've always need.

Actually I was just going to answer you question concerning the DR Satyr, Goatman. He did win the contest twice but it was last years run.

Dutch46--I saw your touching acceptance speech on Sunday in the Nooner.

I was so moved that I took pen in hand(let it go, I'm on s roll) and am sending you an offer to take a couples of extra days in the padded room. After all it's on you and who needs it more?

"During the same period an estimated annual average of 62,000
violent crime victims (approximately 1 percent of all violent
crime victims) used a firearm in an effort to defend
themselves. In addition, an annual average of about 20,000
victims of theft, household burglary or motor vehicle theft
attempted to defend their property with guns.

In most cases victims defending themselves with firearms
were confronted by unarmed offenders or those armed with
weapons other than firearms. During the six-year period,
about one in three armed victims faced an armed offender."

Questions for you gang (am working on a brief for the court of appeals right now and I am curious as to what you guys think)

a) Should law enforcement be allowed to lie to a "suspect" in order to induce said "suspect" to consent to a warrantless search?

b) If you are outside your home (on the front steps so to speak) talking with law enforcement while wearing shorts and a t-shirt in December (and its bloody cold) and said law enforcement tells you that if you do not consent to a warrantless search of your house one guy will go to get a warrant while the other two guys stay with you, however you are not allowed to go back into your house and you are not allowed to make any phone calls are you "seized" as it relates to the Fourth Amendment?

I will be interested to hear your responses.

1) no

2) no

And get a warrant before you set foot on my land again.

a) No but it happens
b) No but it happens

Zat - I am interested by your response, you do not consider being told that you cannot return to your house in the frigid cold while you are wearing shorts and a t-shirt as being "seized" as it relates to the 4th amendment? I had always thought that the 4th amendment was basically clear in that it states "if the person feels they can go about their business" without interference from law enforcement. So far I am two for two, I feel better about this brief :)

"Zat - I am interested by your response"

Dead cop.
Got it?

A) Tough call, but probably no.

B) Looks to me like the 4th amendment also protects against "arbitrary arrests". So, yes.

I'm guessing you've seen this:

zat - dead cop was never in the equation, said suspect was in shorts and a t-shirt, no weapons, no reason not to allow him a phone call, none.

From my research cops are allowed to lie to a suspect when it comes to a transaction ie "I want to buy so much cocaine from you, here is the money" but they are not allowed to lie when it comes to stating things that will allow a warrantless search of a premises and therefore a waiver of 4th amendment rights, which must be given without "duress, coercion or fraud" I think telling a lie in order to get a guy to consent to a search and waive his 4th amendment rights constitutes fraud.

Brit reminds me of an experience from long ago. A guy behind bars ranted (in my working newspaper days) how he was gonna kill me. He was released, and on a 110-degree day I came home from a 12-hour stint at the office to see him cruising my neighborhood. I called the cops, went to the fridge for a cold one, and when the cop arrived, his exact words were: "Sir, I can't do nothin' to protect your life, but if you step off the curb with that beer, I'll have to jug you."

At least he didn't lie to me or violate any rights (except to life). herm

Back to your question, Brit, I'd say your rights were violated. Sadly that's standard operating procedure iunder Bush and Homeland Security. Luckily you were not sent to Guantanamo. herm

What really pisses me off is that during the evidentiary hearing on this the judge said this:

"it is strange to me that we prosecute and punish people for lying to law enforcement officers and yet we do not punish law enforcement for doing the same thing"

And yet he found against us! Inconceivable! (you keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means)

Keith,

In model cars no one makes a gas model that can touch an electric. Electric motors pack far more punch per pound. the catch is there aren't batteries avaible which provide adequate range. But range in a wheelchair cannot be compared to a car. You definately want an electric motor in that wheelchair. It won't burn your ass either.

"And yet he found against us! Inconceivable!"

Brit, they're on the same team. He probably was an ex-DA, possibly an ex-cop. Too many Republican-appointed judges think they ARE law enforcement, not someone to protect you from law enforcement. herm

One for the good guys. Joe Horn exonerated. Grand Jury declines to indict this "good neighbor."

Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars

A Texas grand jury has cleared a 62-year-old retiree who who shot and killed two men he suspected of burglarizing his neighbor's home last fall in the Houston suburb of Pasadena.

Joe Horn saw the men crawling out the windows of a neighbor's house and called 911. He told the dispatcher he had a shotgun and was going to kill the men. The dispatcher pleaded with Horn not to go outside, but Horn confronted the men and shot both in the back with a 12-gauge shotgun as they fled.

The suspected burglars, Hernando Riascos Torres, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30, were unemployed illegal immigrants from Colombia. Torres was deported to Colombia in 1999 after a 1994 cocaine-related conviction.

These two worthies will not return to commit other depredations (except at a seance).

Well Texas allowed a Murderer to get by with Murder. That seems typical of Texans though. Vegalanty Justice and all that.

Larry Mohr

Liked this video alot...even the soaring Christian less offensive than normal:>)

Brit reminds me of an experience from long ago. A guy behind bars ranted (in my working newspaper days) how he was gonna kill me. He was released, and on a 110-degree day I came home from a 12-hour stint at the office to see him cruising my neighborhood. I called the cops, went to the fridge for a cold one, and when the cop arrived, his exact words were: "Sir, I can't do nothin' to protect your life, but if you step off the curb with that beer, I'll have to jug you."

At least he didn't lie to me or violate any rights (except to life). herm

Posted by herm

at least the beer must have tasted really good by then:>)

I just look back to what an unstable douche I was at times in high school and college... not that I would have shot people, but that time in a guys life is crazy enough without adding firearms in... I have no problem with kids having to wait until they are 21 to own a gun, just like drinking...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

"now I'm a McCain surporter after voting for GW twice"

"Inconceivable! (you keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means)
Posted by Litlebritdifrnt

Inigo Montoya & Vizzini - nice! My favorite movie.