Uh...I am so surprised(Not).

"I find no record of his (Obama's baptism)...."

Do any of these people ever attend a church? I can't think of a single person in my religous community who has a "record" of their baptism.

Baptism where I come from is a spontaneous and informal act. Not recorded in any way. By Freeper standards, I might be Godless, if not Muslim.

The records are all kept by God. Perhaps a subpoena could get them released.
It must be frightening the lunatics to see all of their lies and radio talk shows and liars on Fox News yet the little people are still flocking to Barrack. Their attacks will increase but I think most folks are just too aware of reality for the liars to fool them this time. They scare me when they become frightened because then they become dangerous.

It's too bad that creeps like that get to use the name "Free Repulic" a worthy goal in itself. They do a diservice to their cause by their actions.

How come 9 out of 10 smears in this campaign seem to becoming from rightwingers directed at Obama, and not vice versa. Is there a modus operandi becoming painfully obvious yet?

How come 9 out of 10 smears in this campaign seem to becoming from rightwingers directed at Obama
Posted by moder8

Maybe because they're good at it and its served them well the past 8 years?

No, he does not. And your saying that he does, does not make it so. Obama has proven himself throughout the campaign to be very ethical and straightforward. He has time and again distanced himself from those elements that distort or attempt to smear. You don't hear him making the type of Rovian comments which are part and parcel of GOP campaign strategy.

Again, you saying something does not make it so. Though obviously your ego is so big that you seem to believe it does.

member2586 and moder8,
Please read the article and forget the tainted summary and headline. Here, I copied the smoking gun section for you in case you can't find it in the article.

"Shaw says she has done extensive online research about Obama but believes many of the initial sites that provided "proof" of his Muslim background have been removed from the Internet: "Everything about his Muslim background was readily available on the Web in 2004. But they were all cleared from the Internet before he ran for Senate."

"What I've come to realize is, the labor of generating an e-mail smear is divided and distributed amongst parties whose identities are secret even to each other," she says."

Pot calling the kettle black, wok calling the pot sloped?

Again, you saying something does not make it so. Though obviously your ego is so big that you seem to believe it does.

Posted by moder8

It is my contention the Obama conscientiously has avoided smear tactics. If by chance get an occasional fact wrong, it is unintentional. As opposed to Karl Rove likening Obama to a Country Club elitist making snide remarks about other members. Or Swiftboaters and FreeRepublicers in general.

So Obama is a lying sack of shit, and despite conclusive evidence to the contrary, his supporters cannot acknowledge it.

The supporters of Obama have created a false image of who and what he is, and cannot be dissuaded to abandon their adulation by uncontroverted evidence. You wonder that they are not ashamed of this public exhibition of their mental and emotional deficiencies, but instead continue to deny reality.

Great Stuff Someguy 2!!

Perhaps the Senator should manu up and admit he is was wrong. . . . probably doesn't have it in him.

It is my contention the Obama conscientiously has avoided smear tactics. If by chance get an occasional fact wrong, it is unintentional.

You think him repeating this smear about McCain over and over, EVEN AFTER being corrected on TV, is "unintentional"???

So then you must think Obama is an idiot who, EVEN AFTER being told he was perpetuating a lie, still believed it? If he's that dense then don't vote for him.

Amazing how rightwingers hijack a thread about right wing smear tactics to accuse liberals of being the ones who engage in smear tactics. I love it. Karl Rove heartily approves. LOL

Moder8,

Obama is a smearer himself as clearly shown in that video. Obama's statement is one of fact, NOT opinion. Rove's statement about Obama is one of opinion, NOT fact.

If Obama's asserted facts are conclusively proven to be wrong (as that video shows), yet he continues to perpetuate the lie, then he's a smearer. Now that may scare you because you clearly didn't realize that until now, but it's true.

Amazing how Moder8 doesn't realize that Obama is a smearer. Open your eyes.

Moder8 - This wouldn't happen on Democratic Undergound. They don't tolerate an oposing view.

Actually, this DR site is run by a liberal,(-you know, red meat for yellow dogs) yet it allows every imaginable right wing viewpoint to be published. You try that on a site like FreeRepublic. Heck, in general it is always the liberal sites which allow opposing and unpopular viewpoints to be expressed. We liberals believe the First Amendment and the Constitution is more than just "a piece of paper" (to paraphrase your beloved leader who you voted for twice.)

***** Amazing how rightwingers hijack a thread about right wing smear tactics to accuse liberals of being the ones who engage in smear tactics. I love it. Karl Rove heartily approves. LOL

Posted by moder8 *****

........Karl Rove is probably directing it......

We liberals believe the First Amendment and the Constitution is more than just "a piece of paper" (to paraphrase your beloved leader who you voted for twice.)

Great, then I'm sure you supported the Supreme Court's upholding of the 2nd Amendment found in the Constitution.

By the way, my comments were REMOVED from John Kerry's forum during the 2004 presidential campaign so your comment isn't always true. And my comments were not profane laced -- they merely weren't supportive of him.

And you still haven't answered my question: Is it YOUR contention that Obama is NOT perpetuating a lie in THIS video???

SG3, I have no problem with the SCOTUS' ruling on the 2nd Amendment. I am not certain whether the ruling is in the best interests of the residents of Washington DC, but that obviously is not the issue.
And, as a liberal, I tend to believe most right wingers only support gun possession so long as it is not poor inner city blacks who possess the guns. ... Boooo!

And you still haven't answered my question: Is it YOUR contention that Obama is NOT perpetuating a lie in THIS video???

Moder8 - Is that why the libs continue to try to control talk radio with the resurrection of the Fairness Doctrine - which the Reagan Administration killed in the 80's. They would prefer to "force" the public to only hear their view, because their ideas are weak.

It is my contention that Obama never intentionally perpetuates a lie. It is my contention that right wingers such as yourself continually intentionally perpetrate lies. In fact, that is what the article at the top of this thread is precisely about.

Fair enough, so you think Obama is an idiot. Clearly, it's one or the other -- he either 1) knowingly perpetuated a lie; or 2) he's an idiot.

Frankly, I think Obama is very smart, so I'll opt for #1, I'm surprised you chose #2.

In this video Obama demonstrates he is either a liar or has difficulty admitting when he is wrong - either of which is a concern for me.

Put words in my mouth? How Rovian.

Moder8,

Let's put it differently, Obama was TOLD he was wrong, and he undoubtedly watched or read McCain's words. He therefore either lied about what McCain said, or is so stupid he didn't realize the meaning of what McCain said. You opted for the latter, because that's the only way it could have been unintentional. Or do you have an alternate explanation for how Obama could have been so confused?

Furthermore, why hasn't Obama corrected his prior statements??? Does that show *good faith* to you? Of course not!!!

Hey what really matters is that he has hope right?

I knew in advance I was wasting my time watching that youtube segment. Obama is correct in what he said about McCain's position. Cutting to some statement made after the fact by McCain to revise his earlier 100 year statement does not make Obama a smearer nor a liar. Quite the opposite. It turns McCain into a flip flopper (once again) unwilling to stand by an earlier statement.

So, not surprisingly, once again it is demonstrated that it is the right wingers such as SG3 who are distorting the truth and trying to smear.

It's hilarious to watch lefties cringe at their own presidential candidate's smear tactics. It is amazing they can't admit it.

It's even more amazing they find it comparable to Rove expressing his OPINION that Obama is an elitist; whereas, Obama repeatedly expressed a fact that has been disproven, hence a lie.

It's clear that people are sometimes blinded by their partisanship, but it's amazing that this blind allegiance can go so far as to force them to ignore reality.

It would be like righties saying that Bush never landed on an aircraft carrier and declared mission accomplished all the while irrefutable evidence of just that exists.

It's hilarious to watch right wingers attempt to use lies and spin to falsely frame debates on their own misleading terms.
Maybe it works with the general uneducated populace, but it sure won't work here.

Moder8, what are you talking about now??? Stop ignoring reality. You have your timeline down wrong.

But I see you're back to making conclusive statements without factual support!!! Source please!

I knew in advance I was wasting my time watching that youtube segment. Obama is correct in what he said about McCain's position. Cutting to some statement made after the fact by McCain to revise his earlier 100 year statement does not make Obama a smearer nor a liar. Quite the opposite. It turns McCain into a flip flopper (once again) unwilling to stand by an earlier statement.
So, not surprisingly, once again it is demonstrated that it is the right wingers such as SG3 who are distorting the truth and trying to smear.

I invite anyone who believes the lie SG2 and MWM are trying to perpetuate to watch the right wing hit piece manufactured, edited and placed on YouTube. It is as pathetic an example of cut and paste out of sequence as we will see. A typical right wing smear.

hahahaha -- Moder8 ignores reality again!!

It would be similar to this hypothetical situation: Obama says, "I believe we should allow offshore drilling, but ONLY IF all other alternative energy sources prove unworkable" and the Republicans in response say, "Obama flip flops on offshore drilling and now wants to allow it!"

If you don't see how disingenuous that is then nobody can help you. But carry on the perpetuation of Obama's smear. After all, Obama wants you to.

Now Moder8 has been conclusively rebutted, but no one doubts he'll continue his perpetuation of a smear -- just like his Obama. Nice.

I think this is the point of the argument where I sit very quietly and watch my opponent self destruct on his own stupidity.

Even your liberal WashingtonPost, MSNBC demonstrate the facts just as that video lays out. Sources:

I think this is the point of the argument where I sit very quietly and watch my opponent self destruct on his own stupidity.

Posted by moder8

You call this an "argument"??? Typically arguments consist of two sides providing factually supported information. I've provided you a video and 4 articles yet you still ignore reality. Where's your sources? Where's your logic? You couldn't even refute my hypothetical. And I'm self-destructing??? Open your eyes.

But you staying silent would let you save some face.

John McCain is willing to stay in Iraq for 100 years, no matter the cost in troops or money it takes to make Iraq peaceful enough for us to stay 100 years.

No matter how you slice it, his "100 years" comment is lunacy. We need political leaders who will get us the hell out.

"We need political leaders"

Posted by rcade

Mod--You are a smart guy...

Obama has it wrong and you could email him to tell him so. I have. The man is disingenuous--to be nice.

And another thing--about public campaign financing--and his pledge and signature to abide by it. Then he makes up a lie that since the system is broken he shouldn't have to follow within the system he agreed to follow.

What do you call that by any other name?

How about his church and pastor positions?

He is like every other politician--they open their mouths and they lie.

You could save your self by at least admitting when Obama screws up. Otherwise it makes you look ridiculous.

Now RCADE adopts Moder8 and Obama's smear. When will it end?? And it's fitting it's on a thread accusing the righties of smears!!!

And to be clear, it's factually acceptable to argue that ANY presence in Iraq for 100 years is lunacy. But to say that McCain supports a "war" in Iraq for 100 years is far from the truth (as that video and the 4 articles I provided show).

Thus, Obama's argument that McCain supports a "100 year war" is factually inaccurate, and it's a smear. Obama should have stuck to the facts by saying something like, "McCain wants to have a troop presence in Iraq for 100 years, and I disagree." A troop presence and a war are entirely different things.

You could save your self by at least admitting when Obama screws up. Otherwise it makes you look ridiculous.

Posted by MURPHY at 2008-06-28 05:55 PM | Reply

When you can admit McCain screw ups, you will have a point.

When you can admit republican screw ups you will have a point.

Zombies like yourself never admit to republican misatakes.

The republican smear machine deserves no quarter, and no fucking respect. The 527s aren't limited by how much they spend, and neither should Obama. He made an agreement and broke it? How many times has McCain said something and gone back on what he said?

Here is a clue. See if you can get it.

We need political leaders who will get us the hell out.

Posted by rcade at 2008-06-28 05:53

We won't get it.

No matter how you slice it, his "100 years" comment is lunacy

American economy can't afford this monstrous military I estimate no more than ten years. Downsizing of Washington establishment a certainty within about that time.

So the cite here went crazy there for a while..

BB--

I can't speak for others but Bush has been wrong on the Dubai deal, and illegal immigration before we secure the borders and cut off benefits to illegals. He has managed the war so badly before the surge and still needs to do more before he leaves office.

OBL should be dead by now and he's not. Bush never got his veto pen out when Repubs in Congress were spending and putting us in further debt and horrible deficits. Now he thinks he should do something on global warming when the Earth is in a cycle and humans are a blip on the landscape.

For McCain--he was not my choice. He has some good points and not so good.

McCain didn't want the tax cuts in 2001 because no one was including a cut in spending--the pork was and still is out of control. I agree with his reasons.

McCain changed his mind on drilling because gas is over $4.00 a gallon--goes to show you teach a old dog new tricks.

McCain is not perfect, but Obama is the worse thing to come down the pike since Carter.

"humans are a blip on the landscape"

Speak for yourself, roadkill.

"Obama is the worse thing to come down the pike since Carter..."

Unless there is a sea-change of epic proportions, the Republican Party will be punished for allowing George Bush to cause this much hurt to his own people.

Nice of you to drip and drab a few of Bush's failures in front of us, Murphy. Truth is he wasn't just a flawed man; he was a walking disaster.

Just regression towards the mean should mean Obama is an improvement over Bush.

Frankly, Murphy, if it was Jimmy Carter being elected this year he couldn't get into office too soon.

Carter was part of the Nuclear Navy.

Hello?

Buy a clue at the door; They're free, only a dollar.

Speak for yourself, roadkill.

Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-06-28 07:30 PM

Zat--humans are a blip for the bazillion of years the earth has been around--yes?

And watch Obama flip flop more and more as he runs to the center away from his liberal positions.

Case in point--gun ban and the 2nd Amendment--he's a fish on the dock with that doozy..

"He (Bush) managed the war so poorly before the Surge...."

I find little to suggest he manages Iraq now. I think Bush is stuck in some sort of default mode, where long bursts of doing nothing are interspersed with random and unhelpful bragadoccio.

To show you how hopeful I can be, I actually believed in something called a Surge in Iraq at one time. Now that it's clear Petreus just manages a summer camp for militias I don't think so any more.

You da blip.

Ankles up!

"McCain didn't want the tax cuts in 2001 because no one was including a cut in spending--the pork was and still is out of control. I agree with his reasons."

But McCain wants them now, while the deficits are even larger (due to the "off-budget" Iraq war). This means, realistically, in 2010 we're going to be borrowing billions from foreigners so we can repeal a tax that only affects multi-multi millionaires and billionaires. John McCain is in favor of that. What say you?

Oh, and McCain wants to borrow billions every year after that for the same purpose. So multi-multi millionaires and billionaires get their tax repealed.

I haven't seen as much crying as on this thread since the last funeral I attended. Politics is a "nloodsport", Lying and smearing are part of it, so what! Dems are experts. Look how Obama has smeared Republicans by calling them all racists.

" can't think of a single person in my religous community who has a "record" of their baptism."

While I can't speak to your experience, Zed, I not only had a baptism record, but had to present it when I converted to Catholicism from my prior denomination. And of course, Catholics keep records of baptisms.

" can't think of a single person in my religous community who has a "record" of their baptism."

Funny.

I have one on my wall.

" while the deficits are even larger (due to the "off-budget" Iraq war)"

Do ya think there is any unnecessary spending by our frugal congress by any chance?

Now RCADE adopts Moder8 and Obama's smear.

It's not a smear. McCain's willing to fight the war in Iraq for as long as it takes for the country to be pacified. He's willing to keep a permanent military presence in the country for 100 years. These are facts.

If voters want our military to be in Iraq for 100 years, they know who to vote for in November.

A troop presence and a war are entirely different things.

That depends on whether the people want your troops to be there.

Now RCADE adopts Moder8 and Obama's smear.

Add me to that list, but it's no smear. McCain's offered nothing, no plan, no way to get to the point where we can stay "100, 1000, 10,000" years in peace. He says we'll stay no matter how violent, no matter how many deaths it takes to get to that point where we can be there "peacefully."

So brainiac, how long do we stay before we turn Iraq into the promised land? What cost is acceptable to you?

Gotta hand it to you, though. The right-wing gets caught lying their asses off and you turn this thread around on a point that drives Americans even further from McCain. You sure you aren't a democrat?

Shaw says she has done extensive online research about Obama but believes many of the initial sites that provided "proof" of his Muslim background have been removed from the Internet: "Everything about his Muslim background was readily available on the Web in 2004.

It's a giant "left-wing" conspiracy!

No, ya got caught lying and you're saying "but, but they were there!" and they never were.

Check it out:

Is it YOUR contention that Obama is NOT perpetuating a lie in THIS video???

Yup.

Big time.

McCain is the lying sack of shit who is trying to make out that the conflict in Iraq is analagous to America's military post conflict presence in Korea and Japan.

The truth is that the conflict in Iraq more closely resembles the eternal occupation of Palestine or the "win every battle but lose the war" Vietnam war.

100 years in Iraq sez McCain but not of war!

No. No. No.

100 years of rainbows and unicorns and campfires with s'mores. Kumbaya singalongs. A deluge of gratitude from the Iraqi people replete with flowers and chocolates.

Maybe McNasty still thinks it's 2003?...

"No doubt in my mind, that we will be welcomed as liberators.--

~John McCain, (March 24, 2003)

Calling Obama a liar that's the smear.

Meredith should be ashamed of her wee self.

On Topic?

Yup. Obama will be smeared and smeared again and again till the end of the campaign season and beyond.

The R-tards don't have a plausible (or even likable) candidate and they know it. All they have left is smears. Worked last couple of times and they imagine it will work again this time.

Spud to R-tards:

I'm starting to acquire quite a collection of Republican smears. The swift-boating of O'Bama, like the Bush depression, is raging, but still offers little more than an ex-guru who long ago voiced his own take of the black experience, Barney's middle name and the fact his grannie attended a (gasp!)) Unitarian church.

The latest hit-spam is a few O'B quotes, and yes, you CAN libel a guy with his own words if you keep pulling them out of context. That diatribe convinced me to send him an extra twenty ... herm

Uh, they forgot to mention Danielle Allen is a Obama supporter!

Amazing how rightwingers hijack a thread about right wing smear tactics to accuse liberals of being the ones who engage in smear tactics. I love it. Karl Rove heartily approves. LOL

Posted by moder8 at 2008

I get it. but you see, this is just a way that we can 'put a mirror in your face' and show you the REAL OBAMA.
he simply is not the messiah that your side is so desperate to make him out to be.

just this morning on jesse jackson's talk show he had barny frank on and all I heard was...rightwing fringe.....idealogue republicans.....conservative extremists...........so why arent dems talked about with such adjectives???
BECAUSE dems have as many if not more....(thanks to soros) ways and means for smears than republicans.....the dems just ARENT TALKED ABOUT......

"I have one (a record of my baptism) on my wall....."

Along with that moosehead. Yes, we know.

If you don't know the difference between a troop presence (e.g., Germany) and a war (e.g., Iraq currently), then you can't be helped.

I just ***HOPE*** (yes, I can) that Obama does know the difference. Unfortunately, if he doesn't understand the differences between such simple foreign policy matters, then we will be in big trouble if he's elected. It's unfortunate that many of our voters clearly don't know the difference and blindly support Obama.

I heard Obama is Muslim.

The difference between a troop presence and a war?

If we keep a troop presence in Iraq and the war continues, can we bring them home? Of course not, silly, there's a war.

If we have a troop presence in Iraq and there is no war, can we bring them home? No, silly, because it's peaceful.

We've been down this road with you people many times before. Y'all just like the notion of troops in Iraq. Gives you goosebumps.

**** Look how Obama has smeared Republicans by calling them all racists.
Posted by fwthom *****

.......could you please provide the link or the direct quote ?.......

So you think there is NO difference between a troop presence and a war??? Have you heard of North and South Korea? Are we fighting a war there? Have you heard of Germany? Are we fighting a war there?

Again, this has NOTHING to do with McCain's stance (i.e., whether 100 years in Iraq WITHOUT War is good). It's okay to say McCain is crazy to want to be in Iraq for 100 more years, but it is a lie to say he wants to be at war in Iraq for 100 years. Obama should have said, and had he done so he wouldn't have been a liar, something like this: "McCain is willing to be in Iraq for 100 more years, I disagree."

But that's NOT what Obama said, Obama instead made up a lie and said McCain wants 100 more years of WAR.

And this is the funniest part -- the WHOLE reason Obama QUIT using this line of attack is because he KNOWS its disingenuous and a smear. He also knows his sheeples will continue to repeat it. He thanks you. Why do you think he's STOPPED this line of attack?

**** I heard Obama is Muslim.
Posted by MWMfatherof4 *****

.......stop hanging with illiterate rednecks at your trailer park.......

.......then you will hear more believable lies......

We've been down this road with you people many times before.

Repeatedly, and it doesn't sink in and they have no answer.

I take that back. Their answer to the hard truth of McCentury's "100 years" is to rant "No! That's a SMEAR!"

On charges that all they've done is circulated lies about Obama being a muslim, even after getting caught, is to say "Look over here!"

To illustrate for you through a hypothetical. Imagine Obama said, "I want offshore drilling off Florida, but ONLY IF all other alternative energy sources prove unworkable" and the McCain camps comes out and says, "Obama flip flops and wants offshore drilling now!!!"

It would be a lie to say he supports it, right? Yep. The only difference is one is your man, and the other is not.

And the real purpose here isn't to support McCain -- it's to prove that Obama is not a "new" politic who will bring "change" -- nope, as his smear shows, he's one in the same.

Skiz wrote:

**** I heard Obama is Muslim.
Posted by MWMfatherof4 *****

.......stop hanging with illiterate rednecks at your trailer park.......

.......then you will hear more believable lies......

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Sorry - only kidding. Although I do think it was poor judgement to misrepresent what McCain said about being in Iraq for 100 years. He's either a liar or has difficulty stepping up when he is mistaken.

So you defenders of McCain believe we can be in Iraq, in the middle of the Arab world, and not have casualties?

OK, let's say we can.

When do you see that happening? Any estimates on how long it'll take before we get to the point where "without suffering casualties" starts happening?

I hear that all you Obama supporters now are making your middle names Hussein in support as you defend everything he does and says.

Sigh---Of course we've heard of Germany and Korea.

We also heard the troops in Germany were there as part of a major military alliance to check the ambitions of the Russians. Seems like the rationale for their presence has eroded somewhat....

We additionally heard the troops in SK were intended to deter those crazy NK mofos from attacking the SK's. Seems like a rationale for them persists.

One of us is being very stupid here. If US troops might stay in Iraq for as long as they have in Germany, you people need to explain to the rest of us freaking why?

The days when the Right can treat military affairs as if they are distinct from ordinary rationality are hopefully coming to a close.

What have you learned from Bush these eight years? That he makes decisions about war and peace based upon objective necessity or based upon his warped personality and even more warped feelings?

You people can't keep allowing such things to happen or something is going to break someday. God, I swear---This idea the Right are the ones strong on national defense is just so much ca-ca.

"simply is not the messiah that your side is so desperate to make him out to be."

That side doesn't do that. Only you right-wingers use deification language.

So, the unbroken string continues: every time you read savior, or Obamessiah, it's always a rightie.

****** Sorry - only kidding. Although I do think it was poor judgement to misrepresent what McCain said about being in Iraq for 100 years. He's either a liar or has difficulty stepping up when he is mistaken.

Posted by MWMfatherof4 *******

......Here is McCain's direct quote... in context.......so that you may understand that I am not seeking to pervert his meaning.........

At a town hall meeting in New Hampshire, a crowd member asked McCain about a Bush statement that troops could stay in Iraq for 50 years.

"Maybe 100," McCain replied. "As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed, it's fine with me and I hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day."

............so then here is the conundrum..........

.......as long as Americans are being killed, we cannot withdraw.........

......that would be surrounder.........

........once Americans are no longer being killed, then we can stay.....for 100 years according to McCain........

.......well.......according to McCain's logic.....are we not staying for 100 years no matter whether the occupation is violent or peaceful.??......

.......at the same time........

......the cost of keeping the world's most expensive military is bankrupting America.......

......how broke do we have to be before we start looking after Americans instead of trying to rule the world ??........

......but the elephant in the room is the end of the UN mandate to occupy Iraq Dec 31,2008.....

.......so far......the Iraqis ( democratically elected Iraqis ) have been unwilling to extend the mandate for US troops to stay on Iraqi soil.......

.......so we may have no choice but to retreat to our Iraqi bases and exit Iraq as quickly as possible if an agreement is not reached........

SKIZZIKS:"could you please provide the link or Direct quote" Does everthing have to be on a link? Do you ever watch the news other then NBC and CNN?

"Matbe 100 years" How long have we been in Japan, Germany and Korea?

Moder8, your statement defies reality. Are my eyes deceiving me, or does this video include Obama??? www.youtube.com

And he's clearly perpetuating a lie. The evidence is conclusive. Obama = politics as usual and he individually participates in smear tactics. Then he complains about smears, yet few of his supporters realize he's a smearer himself!

Posted by SomeGuy2

You are not going to convince any of these obama fuckers.If he wins..the only wake up call will be when the pied piper starts urinating all over them through policy. If he wins... the disillusioned look on the people that voted for him in November should be a site to behold.

That's when these people will get the collective bitch slap..You can join the GW Bush crowd for gullibility.

SMEARS: What have you ASSHOLE liberals been doing for seven and a half years.

Zed/Yaz and others,

Obama's smear against McCain has NOTHING to do with whether McCain is right. It's OKAY to think McCain's willingness to be in Iraq for 100 more years is lunacy. That's FINE... seriously.

But it's NOT fine to say that McCain wants 100 years more of WAR in Iraq. That simply is NOT his position, nor what he said. Obama saying that McCain said he wants 100 more years of WAR in Iraq is a LIE!

Again, disagree with McCain on the MERITS by all means, but DON'T disagree with him based on things he does NOT believe or say.

So it's true -- Obama is an integral part of the left's slime machine. Which in itself is FINE, but don't act like he's not some "new" type of politician... he's just like the Swiftboaters with the exception that Obama has been conclusively rebutted yet no one has disproven the Swiftboater's allegations.

Personally, I was ***very*** optimistic about Obama being what he claimed to be: a new type of politician. Unfortunately, he has proven that those words were nothing more than hype.

It's okay to be an Obama supporter and recognize that he makes mistakes, such as this one where he lied about McCain's stance. If you can't beat McCain with ideas then I guess you make up ideas and contribute them to the enemy. Those slash and burn political techniques move the country forward toward reconciliation (sarcasm).

Posted by SomeGuy2 at 2008-06-29 02:46 PM

Again, disagree with McCain on the MERITS by all means, but DON'T disagree with him based on things he does NOT believe or say.

That's why McCain's statement is tranformed by lefties into something it was not. It may not be what is the objective reality, but lefties are a deluded bunch, very structured, unable to deal with the fuzziness of the world. So, lefties create their own world that conforms to their ideology. There are often two steps, but either step will suffice alone. One is the perception through a distorting prism, and the other is "organization" by a befuddled mind.

It's an emotional and mental problem, not amenable to remediation by presentation of facts.

Posted by rcade at 02:55 PM

... Freepers she suspects of originating the smear campaign. They deny involvement.

Show character, and apologize for the smear against those exposing the lies and hypocrisy of the Obama defenders, who are oblivious to truth. There are factual bases on which you can oppose McCain and support Obama, based on your belief system and values. Why take the low road? Why promote fallacies? Aren't you confident that you have real issues to exploit?

Great. Let's oppose McCain on MERITS. Let the man define in some detail what he wnats US troops sitting around to do in Iraq for five, twenty, or one hundred years.

I think honesty here would necessarily mean the end of McCain's candidacy. The brutal fact is US troops currently enjoy their primary use in Iraq as an ally of the Sunni against the Shia and a brake to further civil war.

Let teh man say that. It's nothing more than the truth. Then say hello to President Obama.

"Oblivious to truth...."

That's the whole reason there is an Iraq War, the whole reason there is an occupation, and the whole reason anyone thinks we need to make Iraq the 51st State.

Great. Let's oppose McCain on MERITS. Let the man define in some detail what he wnats US troops sitting around to do in Iraq for five, twenty, or one hundred years.

Posted by Zed

He's articulated what he wants them to do there. You can read about it online. But try a reputable source that accurately quotes him (rather than Obama) so you get the truth.

Again, disagree with McCain, but DO NOT lie about his position. It's funny that this thread is dedicated to smears from the right when Obama has been conclusively shown to be an integral part of the left-wing smear machine!

What McCain states about a one-hundred year presence in Iraq is that's fine in order to keep Al-Qaeda down there.

What's interesting is he says we have to keep al-Qaeda down apparently assuming the following---

1) There MIGHT be an al-Qaeda in one hundred years

2) In one-hundred years there MIGHT NOT BE be a government in Iraq capable of keeping them down without our being there.

What's annoying about this is McCain makes his statements after saying he expects the war in Iraq to be WON by 2013.

So, it's all very well to talk about slime being thrown at the man, but frankly I can't tell from his own words whether he thinks we might fighting a war in Iraq in a century or not.

"Why take the low road? Why promote fallacies?"
Posted by Johnson

Anyone else notice the irony?

Anyone else notice the irony?

Chaff sorting, Danforth? Ask who didn't notice - and hope for a smaller list!

****** SKIZZIKS:"could you please provide the link or Direct quote" Does everthing have to be on a link? Do you ever watch the news other then NBC and CNN?
Posted by ozzieoswald ******

......I'm a news junkie....I read and access news about two hours everyday........

.......so when I see stuff that I never heard of, such as this post:

**** Look how Obama has smeared Republicans by calling them all racists.
Posted by fwthom *****

..I naturally want to know its source, or I just have to assume that it is a premeditated smear.....

.....please remember......we are in an age when political parties are disseminating smears in large volumes......so one must assume that a statement like "I heard that" or "Obama has smeared the Republicans by calling them all racists"........I will naturally want the poster to back up their assertion with a reference to a verifiable source.......

.......don't you want to know if what you are repeating is true or not ??.......

"Ask who didn't notice"

You're right. After all, this is a guy who started a sentence "Of course, given the as yet unsubstantiated rumors that Michelle and Barack..."

Just checking to see if FWThom had posted any proof or if he's content with spreading lies and smears.

SKIZZIKS: He's one for you, backed up by fact,
In her serior thesis at Princeton, Michhele Obama, wife of Barack Obama stated that America was a nation founded on "crime and hatred". Also "whites in America were ineradicably racist". Now is that a smear?

"Now where's the smear....?

Text citation?

The GOP smear machine is in gear, humming smoothly. Someone STILL blogs that the Congregational (with a Unitarian grannie) O'Bama is a Muslim. Impeach O'Bama T shirts are being printed even as we speak.

Others, with even fewer facts, just whine piteously that Barney is "not the savior you expect." Okay, I expect no savior. I do expect a president who will match FDR and JFK. He'll HAVE to match FDR and JFK to reverse eight years of Bush looting.

And you know something? FDR and JFK, now revered by history, had to endure the very same shit during their presidential stints. herm

OZZIE--You need to come up with a citation, Boyo. The rest of us are competent to tell you whether you are full of shit after that.

No citation, you're full of shit a priori.

ZED: COMING FROM A BUNCH OF ASSHOLE LIBS I TAKE THAT AS A COMPLIMENT. OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU POMPOUS LIBERAL JERK OFFS ARE HIT WITH THE FACTS YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT.

HERM: BONE UP ON YOUR HISTORY. JFK WAS A MEDIOCRE PRESIDENT. IF NOT ASSASSINATED HE WOULD BE BEHIND CARTER. (It's called hero worship). You must have a history book from Berkley.

No links? No citation?

You made an assertion and it's up to you to substantiate it.

***** SKIZZIKS: He's one for you, backed up by fact,
In her serior thesis at Princeton, Michhele Obama, wife of Barack Obama stated that America was a nation founded on "crime and hatred". Also "whites in America were ineradicably racist". Now is that a smear?
Posted by ozzieoswald *******

......seeing as how we stole the land from the Indians.....and killed most of them......I would say that American was founded on THEFT AND GENOCIDE......

.......were whites in America racist ??........

.......I would certainly agree that as long as slavery, segregation, and Jim Crow laws existed in America....we would have to call America a racist nation......

.......slavery ended after the Civil War.....Jim Crow segregation laws were on the books until the 1960's.......so up until that time......we were INSTITUTIONALLY RACIST.........

.......and to the extent that there is still a great deal of practical segregation in America....we are still a racist society.......

......and as a punchline to the racism debate.......

.......does anyone on the DR recognize this paste from another site.....from someone who is a "clan" member ??......
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If ur in my Clan 422 Reunited in Socom II to contact me or ask to Jion my clan just contact me at

My Aim name-Ozzieoswald

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..........anyone ??.........

SKIZZIKS: NAME ONE NATION IN THIS WORLD THAT DOSEN'T HAVE SOME DEGREE OF RACISUM. That also includes blacks racism against whites.

***** But it's NOT fine to say that McCain wants 100 years more of WAR in Iraq. That simply is NOT his position, nor what he said. Obama saying that McCain said he wants 100 more years of WAR in Iraq is a LIE!
Posted by SomeGuy2 ******

......but McCain is not willing to withdraw from Iraq until there is peace......

......if the war keeps up.....he will stay.......

.......if peace breaks out.....he will stay.......

.......so under what conditions are the boys coming home ??........

ALEXANDRITE: I'll say it again. Maybe it will penatrate your thick heads. READ YOUR HISTORY. I know they don't have history courses at Berkley, but you could go to a book store unless your retarded. In that case get a fellow lib to help you. (Give me MO)

SKIZZIKS: I REALLY THINK YOU NEED TO GET LAID!

ZED: "Text Citation" Fellow student of Michele Obama. Jack Sullivan 1985.

**** SKIZZIKS: I REALLY THINK YOU NEED TO GET LAID!

Posted by ozzieoswald *****

.....my old lady cleaned out the pipes this morning in the shower......but thanks for caring....

........as for my points regarding our history of racism.....you cannot show them to be wrong because they are part of our history......including the founding of our country on THEFT AND GENOCIDE against the Indians......and slavery against blacks......

......we will not overcome the scars of our legacy until we embrace the truth.......

......and I don't want to tell you who to associate with...but being part of the "clan" is not going to help you achieve a balanced perspective........

That's not a citation, OZZIE, it's a silly dodge. I call bullshit on you.

Prove me wrong. The liberal code is you are correct until proven wrong. Let me see the correct quote from Michele Obama's thesis if you feel it is incorrect. It's titled, "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community".

Wow, still not even so much as a link.

"Prove me wrong...."

I researched what was on the net in regards to your assertions. What's stated is that there is a rumor out there, the one you repeat.

That's all there is.

OZZIE, just work with the truth. I don't much care if you hate Obama. I've defended McCain against the same sort of nonsense.

Hey Ozzie

Does clan membership forbid reading ?......

ZED: You wouldn't know the truth because your input of so called truth comes from NBC, CNN, Newsweek and the New York Slime.

SKIZZIKS: Ask Sen Byrd!

We liberals believe the First Amendment and the Constitution is more than just "a piece of paper" (to paraphrase your beloved leader who you voted for twice.)

Posted by moder8 at 2

this is so wrong. you are forgetting all about the fairness doctrine as someone as already pointed out.
and with other situations as well. the LEFT is all about stiffling the right of free speech when its from the right and then they give us the buillshit like the cross in a glass of urine and call THAT free speech.