Five Myths About the New Wiretapping Law
Why it's a lot worse than you think.

By Patrick Radden Keefe
Posted Wednesday, June 25, 2008, at 3:12 PM ET

Perhaps most controversially, the bill effectively pardons the telecom giants that assisted the Bush administration in the warrantless wiretapping program. They will now be shielded from dozens of civil lawsuits brought against them after their involvement was exposed. House Democrats insist that the telecoms are not automatically getting off the hook. Instead, the companies must go before a federal judge. But here's the catch: For the suits against them to be "promptly dismissed," they must demonstrate to the judge not that what they did was legal but only that the White House told them to do it.

what are the Dems about again?

Poll: 44% of Americans favor torture for terrorist suspects

A new poll of citizens' attitudes about torture in 19 nations finds Americans among the most accepting of the practice. Although a slight majority say torture should be universally prohibited, 44 percent think torture of terrorist suspects should be allowed, and more than one in 10 think torture should generally be allowed.
The poll found 53 percent of Americans believed all torture should be prohibited; the average in all 19 countries polled was 57 percent

Bani, are you stupid?

What the fuck does a god damn poll about what people "think" have anything whatsoever to do with the 4th amendment?

Next time you go to court, use your pathetic argument.

"but Judge, I took a poll and 75% of the people say your wrong"

That will work, won't it, idiot.

When it comes to the 4th amendment, you either FOLLOW it, or you DONT follow it.

Its cut and dry and polls don't change shit.

Fuck your dumb. Can you even argue out of a paper bag?

Kuma

kuma, i don't get it... you've got to be smarter than this....

look up some of bani's past posts and you'll see that you misunderstood his meaning.

Kuma claims he's mensa material, too...lol

It will be interesting to see when the Supremes re-discover the 4th...lol

Gun Control for Dummies

The FACT of the matter is that the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution states quite clearly that "the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." It's also a FACT that the Supreme Court has already stated in their decision Miranda v Arizona: "Where rights (liberty) secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate (abolish) them."
In Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 US 105: "No State shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefore."

In Sherer v. Cullen, 481 F 946 "There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise of constitutional rights."

In Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham Alabama, 373 US 262: "If the State converts a right (liberty) into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right (liberty) with impunity."

Pelosi laid on her back and did what she always has-for anybody.

Boy that is a disturbing picture Keith204

BTW Charles Breyer declared a couple months ago on CSPAN while talking about Watergate. He opined that today those that declare they have nothing to hide with regards to warrantless wiretaps are actually saying that they have nothing of value to protect.

Larry Mohr

Fuck your dumb. Can you even argue out of a paper bag?

Self-Retorting Retort.

I've always wanted to type those words.

"but Judge, I took a poll and 75% of the people say your wrong"

Well, if it's a trial by jury, it will work just fine.

Fuck your dumb. Can you even argue out of a paper bag?

Kuma

I am not a lawyer, but I play one on the Drudge Retort.

"Fuck your dumb."

I get more laughs here than an Elayne Boosler concert.

I am not a lawyer, but I play one on the Drudge Retort.

Posted by 726 at 2008-06-27 09:23 AM | Reply

Kuma no like smart ass. Kuma play soccar with 726 severed head. How 726 like that? That what me thought.

Amazing how some lefties are interested in following ritualistic practices, and yet view themselves as "freethinkers."

From 1979 to September 11, 2001, more than thirteen thousand FISA warrants were issued. Not a single application was rejected.

Wait! Whoa. There is a "practical" difference. If you indulge this ritual, the conversation may indeed be over and/or meaningful information missed as you wait the ritual to be performed, the "priest" put his imprimatur on the warrant. If you require warrants should be obtained before the conversation is monitored, you lose information. That's the difference, except that worshipers at the idol of ritualistic pratice suffer discomfort from deviation from form.

It's an "unga bunga" world for the lefties, who are obsessed with doing things in a particular way. Don't step on cracks in the sidewalk. Check the water faucet three times to make sure it's turned off. Lot's of meaningless and wasteful activites comprise the leftist ritual. And they claim not to be devoted to religion. Hmpff.

Let's ordain the eavesdroppers as authorized to sign warrants. That should appease some of the traditionalists, who would rather be ineffective than not perform a ritual.

A bill essentially legalizing Bush's warrantless surveillance program just sailed through the Democratic House and is expected to sail through the Democratic Senate.

Once again, Nancy and Harry spread their cheeks and welcome an injection of W's special Texas sauce ... Embarrassing, and I am not even a Dem.

One beautiful day we will see a headline: "Politicians(sorry-generic variety) trashed by mixed citizen group".

Now that is a "Joy, Joy, make happy feeling type day."*

nANC-This may include many righty tighty and goofy lefties-prepare your selved this isn't going to be the "Rapture

Nor will the previous comment have any spelling skills demonstrated.

Let's ordain the eavesdroppers as authorized to sign warrants. That should appease some of the traditionalists, who would rather be ineffective than not perform a ritual.

Posted by Johnson

let's remember the 4th like the 2nd instead of giving Nazi-types the right to listen to your conversation after they just did!

US warrantless wiretapping predates 9/11

Fresh evidence has emerged that the US government's warrantless wiretapping program predates the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Secret surveillance operations that enabled the National Security Agency (NSA) to access telecommunications traffic data have been in place since the 1990s, according to the New York Times. In an attempt to gain intelligence on narcotics traffickingThe NSA forged an uneasy alliance with telcos to gather data on phone calls and emails from the US to Latin America.