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As a car bomb killed 18 Iraqis near government offices in Mosul, roadside bombs killed four U.S. soldiers in northern Iraq, the military said Wednesday, in a spike of violence that pushed to at least 10 the number of Americans who have died here this week. In the latest attack, one soldier was killed by an explosively formed penetrator, or EFP, about 9 a.m. Wednesday in the predominantly Shiite eastern half of Baghdad, the military said.

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BUT BUT BUT I have been told everything is going swimmingly there?? You don't suppose those fuck nut Right Winged Bushites would lie to Me now would You?? What worthless assholes they are.

Larry Mohr

You just hate the fact that the insurgency is in its death throes, the civil war is yesterday's news already, the new iraq governemnt should be up-n-running in 6-8 weeks and our soldiers are on the brink of coming home.
Posted by lokisfur at 2006-04-27 04:03 PM

I wonder if the suicide bombers consider how they will affect all the chair bound bloggers in the USA before the decide to become a martyr.

but this is OK, we're still winning by at least a half a million points (bodies).

Tell me what are winning?

What prize will we have when finally "win"?

Please someone tell me after it is all said and done, what will we have gained?

This story seems so familiar. I'm pretty sure I've read this before, or maybe it was just something similar. I can't seem to put my finger on it.

Larry, Blackwater is now providing cabana boy services, things are going so well.

BAGHDAD (AP) -- A suicide bomber struck Thursday inside a municipal building west of Baghdad, killing at least 20 people at a meeting of tribal sheiks opposed to al-Qaida, police said. The U.S. confirmed American casualties but gave no further details.

Another 18 people were killed and about 60 wounded in a car bombing near a government headquarters in the northern city of Mosul, officials said.
###

On the bright side, Bush has said lil'Kim is no longer crazy and NK is no longer a member of the axles of evil. Looking at his clusterfuck in Iraq, I'm betting he wishes he had said the same thing about Saddam in 2002.

John McSame-"We will be greeted as liberators".

Two Americans were shot dead and four wounded Monday when a disgruntled official opened fire as they left a municipal building in Salman Pak about 15 miles south of the capital.

Come out come out wherever you are chickehawks!

Come and regale us with your glorious vision of "victory"

What prize will we have when finally "win"?

A while back I would have said that because of the situation throughout the entire Middle East a free and stable democracy is at least worth a chance as a way to at least show the people that there is a better way to live... they don't need to be under the boot of Kings, Dictators, Mullahs, etc... I think that was the real reason we went into Iraq, as a way to create a domino effect in the region and stir the people to change the way they are lead and the type of countries they live in... Iraq was the easiest to sell this too.

Now, I think we should carpet bomb any city where a soldier is killed from this moment on, as well as fill our tankers with enough oil to pay off the war as well as give the families of anoyone hurt or killed over there enough money to make sure they are taken care of for their loss.

Come out come out wherever you are chickehawks!

Its always funny to hear a chickenhawk clucking for other chickenhawks...

"Tell me what are winning?
What prize will we have when finally "win"?
Please someone tell me after it is all said and done, what will we have gained?"

When the enemy retreats, somewhere halfway around the world they are making advances.

Its like pushing a large mountain-- you don't dissipate its size or bulk, only move it further away from you, though eventually you cringe to discover it again encroaching on your own backyard.

War is like that, so there is no gain. Fight for two reasons. Some fight for power. Others fight because there is honor in doing so. Usually the ones who seek power use those who seek honor to do their dirty business, and those who seek honor use those who seek power to do theirs. Those who have no dirty business are those who eventually become embittered middle-managers or cannon fodder.

This do-si-do dance of death has been going on forever, and it will never end.

So if you ask me what is to be gained by it all? Well, all I can tell you is that I was directly involved in the exact same thing 25 years ago. We came to restore democracy, or so the trash falling out of the sky said when you picked it up.

Impeachment talk was had, UN condemnation too. But honor is a powerful thing, as is loyalty. If I had to do it over, I'd do it the same way. My soul died long ago one hot sunny day in Jacksonville, North Carolina. The only thing that holds me together is my opposition to its continuance in the future, but, like war, it is a "stupid, futile gesture" to pull a quote from legendary philosopher Eric "Otter" Stratton..

ROB THE HOLE

Are you certain that the things mentioned aren't something that was actually part and parcel of the "real" original plan? (if we can give Bushco that much)

Are you certain that the things mentioned aren't something that was actually part and parcel of the "real" original plan? (if we can give Bushco that much)

Posted by keith204

I think they saw that the middle east as a whole is an entirely fucked region (yes that's a technical term). So I think they used WMD, and terrorism, and America's recognition of Saddam Hussein and Iraq as an enemy for the past 10-12 years before the invasion as a way to sell war on the American people. But the true purpose of the war was to try to bring change to a region that desperately needs it...

The shitty part for me at least, is I kind of wish they just honestly sold it on us for that reason, because even though it might have taken longer, I think the American people would have gone for it...

but, but, but, the surge is working. That's got to be the headline, regardless of facts on the ground.

...and $5/gallon gasoline is good for you and its Clinton's fault.

but, but, but, the surge is working.

Real original nutsack...


BUT BUT BUT I have been told everything is going swimmingly there??


Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-06-26 05:44 AM

RaH,

You are delusional sir, Utterly delusional.

Its a simple failed plot brought to you by a couple of chickenhawks that supposed they could use guns to steal oil. But they refused to secure weapons depots, and they refused to use a large enough force, and they threw away decades of outsider planning, and they hired kids to manage reconstruction and they sent all the Baathists out onto the streets without a job, and they drove everyone with a nickle to their name out of the country and killed abitrarily and didn't give a fuck about the troops doing their dirty work for them and refused to help the Christians and translators caught in the middle. Shrub's only priority was to guard the oil wells, which was the only point he made to the Iraqi people before he began blowing the shit out of them. He never considered power plants, water and sewage plants, or jobs.

with apologies to larry. guilty as charged. i should have read this post from the top.

Rob-assuming your democracy scenario (even though oil and crushing OPEC as well as assuring a military hegemony in the ME played a much larger role), why not start with our "friends" like Kuwait or saudistan or financial puppets like Jordan or Egypt? Surely they owed us that much, especially the sauids after thier role in 9-11. And the Emir of Kuwait slid back into power on American blood.

Remember, the invasion and "liberation" of Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, it was planned in the 1990s and promised by candidate Bush in 2000. 9-11 just happened to be the "Pearl Harbor" the neo-cons were praying for. The sad part is, Bush played right into Iran's hands. Chalabi and the INC, Bush's dream team to run Iraq, were Iranian agents. because the Bushies were so gullible and delusional, we ended up with a stronger Iran in the region and a pro-Iranian Iraq.

"I think they saw that the middle east as a whole is an entirely fucked region (yes that's a technical term)."

And then what better way to improve it than to destroy the infrastructure, kill 600,000 people, start a civil war, etc.
Sorry but altruistic motivations just don't add up with the perpetrators' MOs.

It was oil, they did it wrong, it will have one good effect...the destruction of the Republican Party.

Amazingly when asked to defend their position war supporters send only one troll.

Come on you guys show me the light. Wow me with the sparkling prize our "victory" will grant us.

Amazingly when asked to defend their position war supporters send only one troll.

Chickenhawk... troll...

Got any other buzzwords, douche?

PS Do you support the war in Afghanistan? Are you blogging from Kabul?

Rob- maybe Salaryman has asthma.

Check and mate.

getin' his ass kicked in Iraq and surrendering to North Korea-you're doin' a heck of a job Bushie!


Check and mate.

Posted by Salaryman at

What does this mean chickenhawk?


Rob- maybe Salaryman has asthma.

Posted by northguy3

Or a myopic 55 year old...

Awww Wobbie, I hit a nerve?


Awww Wobbie, I hit a nerve?

Posted by northguy3

No... weren't you the 55 year old myopic guy? if not, then ignore that, I thought that was you.

Either way, neither of you can call anyone chickenhawks, unless you two douchebags didn't support the war in Afhganistan...

Anyway Robs,

Why so offended at being called a troll? You don't believe half of the crap you vomit out.


Or I could be a 36 year old man with 2 young sons that would gladly put 2 nines in your forehead if you threaten them.

Posted by Salary

threaten your sons? What the fuck are you talking about.

Let's check the list:

Buzzword use (chickenhawk, troll)... check
Acting like an internet badass... check

Yup... you're a fucking loser. I'm so scared of you and your fruity sons.

Or I could be a 36 year old man with 2 young sons that would gladly put 2 nines in your forehead if you threaten them.

Posted by Salaryman

What the fuck are you talking about?

You and your gay sons are so tough. Tell me more on a blog about what they're going to do to me, badass.

Why so offended at being called a troll? You don't believe half of the crap you vomit out.

Posted by Salaryman

Not offended tough guy... just pointing out your silly use of buzzwords like "chickenhawk" and "troll." Troll didn't even apply to this thread, and you're just as much a chickenhawk as I.

You just hate the fact that the insurgency is in its death throes, the civil war is yesterday's news already, the new iraq governemnt should be up-n-running in 6-8 weeks and our soldiers are on the brink of coming home.

Posted by lokisfur at 2006-04-27 04:03 PM

What the fuck are you talking about?


You and your gay sons are so tough. Tell me more on a blog about what they're going to do to me, badass.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-06-26 01:57 PM

How odd... I didn't hit publish on this... at least I don't think I did, and revised it to the one posted a couple seconds earlier... Oh well... both are hysterical...

You suck Salarydouche.

LOL @ Rob


LOL @ Rob

Posted by Salaryman

well at least your laughing now... wheew... I was really worried you were going to shoot me in the head... twice.

"You just hate the fact that the insurgency is in its death throes, the civil war is yesterday's news already, the new iraq governemnt(sic) should be up-n-running in 6-8 weeks and our soldiers are on the brink of coming home.

Posted by lokisfur at 2006-04-27 04:03 PM"

Posted by Doc_Sarvis


I just had to re-post that.

Yup, that's me Rob. Still, if you can use your Pentagon contacts to get me into flight school...

It's a never-to-be-forgotten gem, Zat. The passage of two years merely adds to its weird luster.

I could tell, you got so shaky that you published like 20 posts about it.

Can you blame me... you were going to shoot me...

you know, first you were going to track down who I am, where I live, then you were going to have to travel to me, wait for me to leave or maybe your so tough you'd just bust into my house and start shooting up the place... you're tough... and then if you shot me, you weren't just going to do it once in the head, oh no, that wouldn't be hardcore enough, and fuck I might live, so you would then shoot me again... because you're so tough.

Can you blame me... you were going to shoot me...


You're bitching because he wants to exercise his Second Amendment rights? Commie...

Robbie boy,

Calm down son. It was not a real threat. And only aimed at your general direction at any rate. We are all safe behind our veil of anonymity.

But what's that? A knock on the door? OMG what are you gonna do?

It was not a real threat.

Uh huh... backpedal hard enough, maybe you'll get somewhere...

If I were you, I'd change my handle...quickly.

I fucking own you now.

Damn boy are still trembling? Don't worry when your wife gets home I am sure she will hold you hand and maybe get you some milk.

I challenge any of you liberals to step up to the plate and come after me. You will suffer the consequences

LOL... keep trying tough guy... you're still the tool that threatened to shoot a blogger, on a message board...

Now a couple weeks ago I got Alex so riled up and under his skin, he told me to, "Kill myself," and I laughed at that for quite a while... but never have I had someone say they would shoot me... twice. Its just so priceless, I couldn't be happier right now... lol.

Like I said in the SCOTUS thread, I think you guys need to do something to calm yourselves down a little... its just a blog toughness... let's take it down a few notches.


I challenge any of you liberals to step up to the plate and come after me. You will suffer the consequences

Posted by timbci

Well, Timbci... it was nice talking with you for a while now... Salaryman is probably going to belly up to the bar on that challenge... do you have a panic room? You should build one... quick.


I challenge any of you liberals to step up to the plate and come after me. You will suffer the consequences

Posted by timbci

Timbicile-your meds nurse is a big woman is she?

Rob,

Are you a battered husband? Do you need help?

Unfunny and an internet badass who threatens to shoot people was probably not your goal for today, yet here we are...

Rough day for you big guy... maybe you wanna sit a few rounds out... come back monday a little refreshed... spend some time with those two sons of yours, but try not to shoot anyone.

BOO!


Rob is under his desk now.

Rob is under his desk now.

Posted by Salaryman

Why, because you threatened to shoot me dead?

See, we keep coming back to that... You have to be incredibly stupid to keep bringing up why this thread is where it is... You're now that guy that makes internet threats of violence...

You're FrankCotton minus the creativity and humor...

In the second presidential debate of 2000, George W. Bush said in criticism of Somalia:

"Started off as a humanitarian mission and it changed into a nation-building mission, and that's where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price. And so I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war."

"I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I'm missing something here. I mean, we're going to have kind of a nation building core from America? Absolutely not. Our military is meant to fight and win war. That's what it's meant to do. And when it gets overextended, morale drops."

"I'm going to be judicious as to how to use the military. It needs to be in our vital interest, the mission needs to be clear, and the extra strategy obvious."

As somebody trained in Political Science, and somebody reasonably well-read on the history, cultures, religions, and current dynamics of the Middle East and the Persian Gulf, I would say that anybody (let alone a President surrounded by so-called experts) who could imagine that there was the necessary social, political, media, and legal framework in Iraq to create a functioning democracy has the IQ of a sack full of hammer handles.

It is not elections that define a democracy; hell almost every country in the world has elections of greater or lesser fairness. Saddam even had elections, as do Cuba, Iran, and a host of other countries that even Bush can understand are not democracies.

Democracy requires a populace that has agreed upon what some call a "Social Contract." A Social Contract derives from the idea of the consent of the governed. It requires that the citizens accept the premise that each individual will subject him or herself to the civil law and legitimate political authority, and that all citizens will agree to go along with the will of the majority (given social and legal protections to prevent the rise of a "tyranny of the majority").

An additional problem is that every study ever done on the Muslim peoples of the Middle East and Persian Gulf shows that, at best, only a small minority are in the least interested in a western-style democracy with its tolerance for secularism and diversity. Like Christianity before the Renaissance and the Enlightenment began to weaken its grip on Europe, Islam of today makes no distinction between the religious and political systems of a nation.

Western Democracy is anathema to most of these people, and anybody who believes it is worth sacrificing thousands of American lives, and hundreds of billions (ultimately trillions) in American treasury to attempt to create a Democracy in a country as volatile as Iraq is deluded.

Robert Frost advised that, before you tear a fence down, you find out why it was erected in the first place. For all his brutality to his own countrymen, Saddam was a fence against the internecine hatreds and power rivalries within Iraq, and, more importantly, a fence between Iran and the Middle East, a region they have long wanted to expand their influence into. Bush tore down that fence without a clue of what it was containing, either within Iraq or throughout the region, and so had no plans to handle the consequences.

You would stand a better chance of teaching a three-day-dead mackerel to tap dance than trying to turn that area into a wonderland of Jeffersonian Democracy, Wal-Marts, Starbucks, and a Freidmaniac free market.

Its so funny to me, you disproportionate reaction to an offhanded comment. You are a riot.

What's that sound?
ROB CALL 911!

to an offhanded comment

spin, spin, spin Frank

I am laughing at you not with you Robbie boy.

But, I am already bored with it so do we have anything to say on the topic little guy?

But, I am already bored with it so do we have anything to say on the topic little guy?

Posted by Salaryman

You're an internet tough guy who makes threats to kill people on internet blogs...

That's about all...

"Or I could be a 36 year old man with 2 young sons that would gladly put 2 nines in your forehead if you threaten them."

In case anyone wants to know what was posted. Hardly a direct or even credible threat. Maybe it could be considered thinly veiled. In hindsight ill advised post to make.

Rob it was just a repost so the folks at home could follow along, stop cryin son you are gonna be OK.

3 marines were killed today, I really hope this is not a trend starting, but just a blip.

hey look rob successfully made this thread abouthim,

please do not feed the troll

It was oil, they did it wrong, it will have one good effect...the destruction of the Republican Party.

Posted by danni at 2008-06-26 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

....yes, and the ascendency of Pelosi, Reid and that whole heroic crew will be of such benefit to everyone.

I hear ya TH, and I know better on both counts:

1)fed troll=fail
2)did stupid "threat" post=fail

It was funny to see Rob get all screechy tho. (damn fed the troll again)

Still no answer to my original question:

Amazingly when asked to defend their position war supporters send only one troll.

Come on you guys show me the light. Wow me with the sparkling prize our "victory" will grant us.

Ride-anybody will be an improvement over the GOPpers. Even Daffy Duck could kick GWB's ass in foreign policy or as Commander-in-Chief.

BUT BUT BUT I have been told everything is going swimmingly there?? You don't suppose those fuck nut Right Winged Bushites would lie to Me now would You?? What worthless assholes they are.

Larry Mohr

From the article:

The U.S. military says violence in Iraq has dropped to its lowest level in more than four years,

"13 KIA in a week. That's less than two a day. My friend, in a hundred years that will only be, um, oh hell, it's too close to the weekend to work that out."
John McSame.

Goat-KIAs are up about 50% since last month.

I want McCain to explain again why this is worth 12 billion dollars a month, 4,000 and counting GI deaths and ovber 1,000,000 million innocent Iraqi civilian lives.

Dear Stolen Anus,

Can you answer any of the discussion points anymore?

Are you preparing to volunteer for Iraq yet? Bush needs more people like you that believe in his bullshit. Iraq needs you, I mean Exxon/Chevron/Haliburton/KBB need you out front, so they can make some serious money. Results not guaranteed, nor does that matter.


BUT BUT BUT I have been told everything is going swimmingly there?? You don't suppose those fuck nut Right Winged Bushites would lie to Me now would You?? What worthless assholes they are.


Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr

Why don't you include Pelosi and Reid in your disgust? They are just as liable for this as any Republican. If you don't agree, then you are not paying attention.


I want McCain to explain again why this is worth 12 billion dollars a month, 4,000 and counting GI deaths and ovber 1,000,000 million innocent Iraqi civilian lives.


Posted by AngelofTRUTH

It's not worth it, it never was. Unless you believe in the American Empire.

However, I want Obama to explain to me what we will get from pulling our troops out of Iraq on;y to send them into Iranand Pakistan!

I mean Exxon/Chevron/Haliburton/KBB need you out front, so they can make some serious money.

Posted by nutcase

Are you one of those morons who believe Bush started a war to help the oil companies and Haliburton?

I hope you're being sarcastic.

"Why don't you include Pelosi and Reid in your disgust? They are just as liable for this as any Republican. If you don't agree, then you are not paying attention."

Posted by Eddie

Don't forget that those anti-war Dems are just itching to start an embargo on Iran, technically an act of war, and likely the first step in a much larger conflict down the road.

stop cryin son you are gonna be OK.

Posted by Salaryman

Cheesedick, at no point did I think you could actually follow up on your threat, I just felt like dedicating an entire thread to the fucking liberal retard who actually said he would kill an anonymous poster on a blog...

Something that sad has to be pointed out over and over again...

hey look rob successfully made this thread abouthim,

Actually, I successfully made it about SalaryMan's threat to put "two nines" in my head...

Looks like Wobbie has been taking "wanna be" lessons from the Chairpoodle.

How sweet!

That guys got the Chairborne Flu so bad I'm surprised he can walk! Lord knows his mom walks funny after getting her dose of the chairborne...


If only you were as infatuated with your schoolwork as you are with me.

I was talking to Wobbles, Poodle.

I was talking to Wobbles, Poodle.

What is the "Chairborne flu"?

Sounds like an advanced stage of gonorrhea.

"As infatuated with schoolwork as you are with me...."

Speaking only for myself, a mere case of puppy-love.

"puppy-love"

Who can forget the legendary Donny Osmond's version of that classic? Travel with me now... back in time... as we relive those teenage years...
www.lyricsdownload.com

Since every Iraqi miliita, starting with that of the Sunnis, is perfectly intact----KIA rates in that country are wholly determined by the efficiency of bribes and transient factional alliances.

Therefore that KIA rate will fluctuate high or low dependent upon factors distinct from warmaking, which is moribund. George Bush largely stopped waging war in Iraq a year ago.

Confident in my masculinity I can honestly say I once purchased Donny Osmond's greatest hits. Yes. Truly a landmark epic. Also had Bobby Sherman, several of the Partridge Family and the Jackson Five. I also had the Beatles, Stones, Zep and Black Sabbath. Drove my folks crazy.

"Confident in my masculinity....."

That's the thing, isn't? I imagine the fellows here that try to paint others with gay snears don't think anyone has such confidence.

This leads to speculation in regards to whom, exactly, they associate with on a daily basis?

Chairpoodle.


Posted by itsme at 2008-06-26 06:36 PM | Reply

I was talking to Wobbles, Poodle.

Posted by itsme at 2008-06-26 07:10 PM | Reply


Sorry stupid, but you once again referenced me. It's because I absolutely savaged you under your various other handles. You just can't help yourself.

By the way dummy, you're only attempts at insults involve typing "cunt" and the lame "you didn't serve" refrain that you've unsuccessfully used for well over 2 years now.

In simple terms (because you can't grasp any others), you're the lamest stalker I have.

See, it doesn't take long.

Larry Mohr was WAITING in the wings for a thread like this.

Larry sees the thread and it says "US troops die" along those lines. And LARRY GETS EXCITED!

So whats he do? He comes on here to rub in the fact things are not like disneyland in Iraq.

Larry, why do you smile and get all giddy every time an American dies?

You probably don't go outside do you Larry. Because if you were to say what you say on here in public, you would get the living shit beat out of you.

you pathetic piece of shit.

Fuck you, maybe the next bomb blows up your family. Then maybe youll get the fucking idea that its not something to score points about.

Fuckhead prick.

Kuma

BlueSun,

"I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I'm missing something here. I mean, we're going to have kind of a nation building core from America? Absolutely not. Our military is meant to fight and win war. That's what it's meant to do. And when it gets overextended, morale drops."

"I'm going to be judicious as to how to use the military. It needs to be in our vital interest, the mission needs to be clear, and the extra strategy obvious."

I googled the "corps(core)" typo in this to see where it came from. It comes, believe it or not, from the Commission on Presidential Debates part of whose mission statement is "...to ensure that debates, as a permanent part of every general election, provide the best possible information to viewers and listeners..."

This typo and the "extra(exit) strategy" typo later fail to "provide the best possible information" to us.

OK, I know all this sounds like the spelling police but if we couldn't even produce a reliable semi-official transcript of a presidential debate was it too surprising that the same kind of sloppiness was all too apparent in the execution of the post-invasion strategy of a war waged as a contradiction to everything that the presidential candidate was saying?

This post started out as a means of letting you know that, among all the subsequent dreck, at least somebody read and mostly agreed with the points made in your longish, thoughtful post but, noticing the typos, got to thinking that as a trivial but telling illustration of the whole Iraq misadventure they nicely complemented the same general points you were making.

169 civilian contractors have been killed as well. I guess they don't get mentioned unless they get blown up next to a soldier.

Please someone tell me after it is all said and done, what will we have gained?

Posted by Salaryman at 2008


no matter what you hear or read from your liberal sources, alqaida and the taliban have taken extreme hits from people to the network to finanicial concerns and this IS The war on terror.
this week in afghanistan there were at least 55 terrorists bastards killed and many more captured or wounded.
even thomas friedman....from the NEW YORK FUCKIN TIMES said just yesterday.....the headline reads

IRAQS TAKING OWNERSHIP: THATS A GOOD THING

and what we will have is as close to a democracy in that region as we can have this side of israel,
we have also told the murdering bastards that we wont just take thier shit lying down like blowjob billy did or hit some fuckin drug store after being ATTACKED and having war DECLARED ON US.....with not just one BUT TWO attacks on the WTC.......and we have also shown that we have the capacity to keep them FROM ATTACKING US AGAIN>.........(CUE LARRY).......


but with a president obama and the SC ruling....all that will change with the first 'parade' of murdering muslim extremists through the streets that our soldiers have given thier lives for because the dems have been invested in defeat all along

UNLESS obama telling all of you that he will get you out IS ANOTHER HUSSEIN OBAMA LIE.........sort of like what YOUR CONGRESS told you IF they were elected to the majority.,..........

BL2,

Man you spew a lot of words out but you fail to make any case for what benefits us.Iraqi democracy? Who the fuck cares what the Iraqis do? Afagans? Please only people that will care about that place once we leave are junkies.

No one attacked us but nine (was it nine?) criminally insane freaks. That hatched a plan that had a million to one freak result.

You are more dangerous in your car (especially Houston drivers)than Osama Bin doin nothin ever thought about being.

So when the final bill comes due do you think it will be worth all that's lost?


**** Please someone tell me after it is all said and done, what will we have gained?
Posted by Salaryman at 2008 *****

........less than nothing..........

......I say less than nothing because we will have lost much without any gain.......

......we turned Iraq over to Irani rule......
......we killed 200,000 to 600,000 Iraqis....
......we destroyed the Iraqi infrastructure, water, electricity......
......we killed 4000+ of our own troops (and counting)....
......we dropped 1.5 trillion with follow up costs of another 1.5 trillion if we end it today......
......our national deficit has ballooned to 9 trillion from 5 trillion before the war....
......we seem unable cope with national problems like health care,immigration,border control, budgetary deficit,crime, flooding, poisoned foods,imported health hazards, because all the money is going out the window to a shit-hole in the desert......

You are more dangerous in your car (especially Houston drivers)than Osama Bin doin nothin ever thought about being.


So when the final bill comes due do you think it will be worth all that's lost?

Posted by Salaryman at 2008-06-27 09:28 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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well I cant argue about the houston traffic but I can about your assumption that a freindly iraq will not be to our benefit.....and I read here all the time about all of the iraqis killed and thats tragic but then those same people NEVER ever talk about iraqis having a country that they can call thier own.....government wise.....


and you are being naive if you really thing that bin laden isnt dangerous and if he isnt then why does the left rag all over bush because we havent gotten him yet....


and skazz.....there is little that anyone can say about your post....it "STANDS" on its own......

and we have also shown that we have the capacity to keep them FROM ATTACKING US AGAIN>

Clinton kept us safer, longer. But that's because he didn't ignore security briefings and his NSA knew where America was.

And what about the anthrax attack-how's Bush doing with that attack that killed only one less American than WTC1? Mission Abandoned?

"alqaida and the taliban have taken extreme hits from people to the network to finanicial concerns "

I seem to remember the taliban taking over some villages and blowing up a prison. Clearly another case of "last throes".

Yeah, a $100 million from heroin is pretty poor pickings. But what do the taliban and al queda have to do with Bush's clusterfuck in Iraq? KIAs are up at least 50% over last month and elected Iraqis are shooting Americans. Is that the government we wasted 4100 lives on?

And who's doing better-Osama binforgotten or your Diyala chickens?

Yes, the Iraqis are doing better, which means Obama was spot on whenhe said we can have our troops out of there by 2011, which is way better than Mcsame's 2108.

Yes, the Iraqis are doing better, which means Obama was spot on whenhe said we can have our troops out of there by 2011, which is way better than Mcsame's 2108.

Posted by northguy3


Obama also said there were 57 states. Libs always like to abridge the McCain quote to their rhetorical interests only. It's an old and tired talking point and a strawman because McCain did not mean he wanted to fight a 100 year war with Iraq.

2011 - maybe - lets hope so. Depends on the Iraqis though.

Eddie,

Bush started the Iraq war for two reasons:

1. To send the world a message that we will not tolerate outside control of the flow of oil. Bush/Cheney love high oil prices and want US companies to enjoy a piece of the Iraqi action.

Unfortunately, it is becoming increasingly clear that the world can ignore us, since our military couldn't control the North Vietnamese, Iraq, Afghanistan, or even North Korea. Shrub's stupid idea has blown up in our face. Even more troubling, it is becoming increasingly apparent to the rest of the world that our economy cannot sustain Bush's recklessness. To deflect this criticism the NeoCon's blame everything on "Liberals", which plays well domestically but does nothing to reverse world opinion.

2. Shrub's only political path out of falling down drunk was to find Jesus. Its a very popular pastime with comfort in numbers. He has convinced himself that Israel is under constant threat, even though Israel is by far the biggest most belligerent military power in the region. He talks publically of "Armagedon", beginning in the Middle East, and thinks supporting Israel's belligerence is the right thing to do. This absurd belief carries over into his policies towards Iran, but apparently not North Korea. He fancies himself as a historical figure carrying out Bibilical Prophecies. Yes, he is that deluded.

Clinton kept us safer, longer. But that's because he didn't ignore security briefings and his NSA knew where America was.



wrong......because of not doing anything about it but trying to prosecute them like common criminals, they knew that 9/11 was possible.....I and others from the right have said it repeatedly. clinton and bush should have been more proactive....but then if bush had been, you would have blamed him for provoking 9/11......

and HOW DARE YOU even write the name obama in any sentence about iraq doing better.....


BUT HERE IS A PROBLEM I WILL HAVE TONIGHT......no not that one.....thats what the viagra is for.....

in the 6th race at mountineer park in west virginia there is a horse out of a 'morethanready' sire and a 'grand meadow' dam who looks pretty good at 9 to 2 morning line with good back class.

and his name is 'barak'.........hhhhhmmmmmm I just dont feel comfortable betting on ANYTHING NAMED barak to win anything.............

1. To send the world a message that we will not tolerate outside control of the flow of oil. Bush/Cheney love high oil prices and want US companies to enjoy a piece of the Iraqi action.


plays well domestically but does nothing to reverse world opinion.


2. Shrub's only political path out of falling down drunk was to find Jesus. Its

dear mister nitwit....I mean nutjob.....no..sorry mister nutcase.....

these two reasons are a wonderfull post. thank you so much. It will be on my list of things to show people on why liberals have to be left out of the white house again....

and world opinion.....can I ask you why you and others things its so important that the world loves us because they wont ever love us when it comes to their own matters....only when its time for us ONCE AGAIN to save their ass or give them something.......or when they can come over here and loot our school systems and ERs' and shit like that......

BLT,

When the WTC came down, Germany sped a Destroyer past a US Destroyer in the Mediterranean Sea. 300 German Soldiers stood in Full Dress Uniform saluting the Americans. Holland sent NYC 1 million tulips.

In large part, because of WWII, landing on the Moon, and our leadership with implementing Democracy, we have been loved by the world's people, if not always their Governments. Of course, feelings in South & Central America, Vietnam and the Middle East are far more complicated.

Its not necessary for everyone to love us, but its a better more prosperous world if they do. Peace is even more important. Everyone wants to be treated fairly and peoples attitudes are built on their experiences.

Having said all that, I must ask you, "Can you show that anything I said about Shrub or Israel is incorrect"?

Having asked that, may I also ask if you've finally put your money where you mouth is and signed up for a tour in Iraq? Bush needs you and if the surge is working the risks are low and the benefits for your "fearless leader" are enormous. If Bush were actually able to impose Democracy on Iraq and surrender soveriegnty, I would have to eat my words. It wouldn't make his invasion of Iraq legal or ethical but it would exonerate him to a large extent. Like making a silk purse out of a sows ear.

once again mister case.......

I dont think they would want me in iraq unless they have a place for 58 year old overweight balding BUT STILL VIRILE men with a bum left shoulder

AND BESIDES as I have said REPEATEDLY......you dont have to be a soldier to have an opinion on the war on terror and NO ONE FROM THE LEFT says that they cant have an opinion because THEY arent there
and the best argument.....if you dont have a vagina, then you have no right to an opinion on abortion....

I has a college deferrment and my lottery number was in the high 200's.....if called I would have proudly served.....and you can believe that or not, I dont give a fuck if you do or not........

I HAS......wow that sounded gooder didnt it......
just my little salute to ebonics.......LOL

ANYWAY.......as always I will now provide the alternative voice to the war on terror


from the NY times..

ALqida in iraq TOPLEADER in Mosul was killed durinf a raid this week. the 'emir' of the terror movement in misul known as abu kahlaf was killed with two other terrorists.......


and also..........HEY NUTCASE......

read the latest david brooks column of the NY TIMES so you KNOW its the truth.......


a couple of bits from it.......
headline....NO DENYING IT: BUSH GOT IT RIGHT IN IRAG AFTER ALL.........
"but before long, the nmore honest among the surge opponennts will concede that bush, that supposed dolt,actually got one right"

"THE additional fact is that bush, who made such bad calls early in the war, made a courageous and astute decision in 2006"

and the most telling paragraph

"democart leaders like harry reid considered the war lost. Barak obama called for a us withdrawal starting in the spring of 2007, while ried offered legislation calling for a complete us pullback by march 2008"

and......"some brave souls might even concede that if the us had withdrawn in the depth of the chaos, the world would bein worse shape today."


I double-dog dare some of you anti war on terror folks to read this article from the NY TIMES>....

okay so all of you go ahead and pile on because of the mispelled words that are typos.....I cant help it if my attention is on the races at emerald downs

so ahead and make a deal out of that and ignore answering any of the points....

and for you information....
at mountaineer park........"BARAK" came in 5th out of 10.........

BLT-
Your manual is very out of date, and that compounds its original stupidity. David Brooks is not respected by the left, and the NYT was one of the stenographer press in the selling of the war in Iraq.
That you think "Brooks" and "NYT" are some magical shibboleths of The Left would be funny if it wasn't for that sad fact that ditto-head zombies such as yourself elected Bush twice.

.....fair play?

Who doesn't respect david brooks?

I met him at the salad bar at applebees. Nice guy, not a douchebag at all.

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