Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

Bill McKibben: In July 1893, 115 years ago, the historian Frederick Jackson Turner told an academic symposium that the American frontier was closed -- a shocking notion for a people who'd defined themselves by their steady expansion across the continent. This spring, something just as profound and defining has happened: Pulled back by the inescapable gravity of higher prices and the growing scarcity of fossil fuels, we're starting a slow recoil into more dense and compact regions and localities. The frontier of endless mobility that we've known our entire lives is closing.

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Road trip! Er.... last road trip!!

Turner's statement over a hundred years ago made more sense; unless the country was going to go into full blown imperialism back then, there was literally no frontier in the lower 48.

McKibben's statement does not make as much sense considering that the mobility that he is talking about is dependent on technology not on physical space. At the moment his statement may be true, but who knows what the future will bring in terms of alternatives to fossil fuels that will allow for great mobility of the kind we are accustomed to.

It seems like this "scholar in residence at Middlebury College" is simply trying to make a name for himself as prophet of doom.

PAX

Good. Stay the fuck out of Southern California. If you're stuck in the flyover states, I hope you rot there. Frickin' hillbillies.

Fly-Over states, mostly Red. Gotta Love it!

Fly-Over states.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

California's a flyover state too. Just another interesting map feature enroute Maui or Tahiti.

"California's a flyover state too. Just another interesting map feature enroute Maui or Tahiti.

Posted by rightisright at 2008-06-23 05:04 PM"

Motion for Idiot Flag.

Exhibit A: www.sagarmatha.com

Exh B: www.calactive.com

Exh C: s3.amazonaws.com

Exh D: www.pictures-usa.com

Exh E: www.visitusa.com

Exh F: www.sierradescents.com

Exh G: www.thegreenhead.com

Exh H: www.condorentals.com

Flyover state. What a fucking kook.

I know it's pretty. I used to live there. But I lived in Superior California, in the Monterey/Carmel Valley area--not in the Southern part where 22 million people are crammed into a few square miles of desert

But if you're flying the DAL-HON flight, California is flyover country. And I'm not the type to drive to SFO for my flight, just to make you happy.

California is the land of nuts, fruits, and flakes. We need to sink oil wells there off the coast every 10 meters and the state will become somewhat useful.

We can still share the Earth, in other words. But recipes, not ingredients. Ideas, not cargo containers. From the keyboard, not the driver's seat.

In other words, we share the Earth in bits? We've moved from Whitman's:

AFOOT and light-hearted, I take to the open road,
Healthy, free, the world before me,
The long brown path before me, leading wherever I choose.

www.bartleby.com

to:

Fingertips light-hearted, I take to the open net,
Healthy, free, the web before me,
The long online path before me, leading wherever I choose.

I lived in North Mexico for 12 years...they can have it.

"But if you're flying the DAL-HON flight....

Posted by rightisright at 2008-06-23 05:32 PM"

If you are flying the DAL-anywhere flight, and plan to return, I feel sorry for you. I'll take the PDX-OOG (or the SFO-OOG, or the LAX-OOG) flight over the DAL-HON any day of the week.

I don't live in Dallas. But if you're flying to Hawaii from anywhere east of California, you're probably on the flight outbound Dallas. Just the way it is.

BTW--it's OGG, not OOG.

That is about all DAL is good for. A UA hub.

Yes, OGG. God's Country. But with weed.

Actually, Dallas has better restaurants than LA. And Texas has the best highway and roads system of any state in the country.
Still, I'm glad I don't live there.

"Actually, Dallas has better restaurants than LA"

Bullshit. Where do you come up with this crap?

From the article: "For the first time in decades, the average number of vehicle miles driven by Americans is falling, down 1 percent for the year and more than 6 percent in May alone."

This is the same keen grasp on statistics that brought us the global warming sham, an interpretation that a single data point, in this case a blip downward, equals a crashing trend toward ox-carts. Bottom line is, Americans will foolishly drive until the gas runs out... regardless of the price.

You gotta hand it to the MSM, though. They are cranking on "the end is near" stories out the wazoo. We have 3 on here today alone (the AP "things spinning out of control" story is a jewel in the crown) Obama is a shoo-in if this keeps up.

From eating "Crap" thats where.

Larry

According to Zagat, L.A. has one rated 29 for food, and 5 rated 28 (out of a possible 30).

Dallas has 5 28's.

L.A. has substantially more at 27 than Dallas. Nice try, turkey-baster.

10 best restaurant cities according to Forbes Traveler

1. NYC
2. Chicago
3. San Francisco
4. L.A.
5. New Orleans
6. Houston
7. D.C.
8. Atlanta
9. Boston
10. Las Vegas

"The frontier of endless mobility that we've known our entire lives is closing."

YEAH!

And we have every wastefull Fake Plastic Sons of a Bitch to thank for it!

Yup, which dr poster(s) used to brag that they were going to burn fuel just for the hell of it?

These people need to be beat run thru a Belt Line and be beat with bags full of soap!

I don't read Zagat. And if you're the type to drop a hundred bucks at dinner just because Forbes Traveler says that the Chilean Sea Bass at some yuppie joint with valet parking is just to die for, then you'll be happy in NYC or LA.

But if you want a 20-oz ribeye or a 30-oz porterhouse for under $30, or world-class dunganess crab and lobster for $40, you'll need to get away from LA. And God help you if you're looking for some good barbecue or cajun food.

Just my two cents. But by all means, do the Zagat thing. You probably wouldn't be happy in the kinds of restaurants I like, if you're going to be bitching about the lousy wine list, and the lack of pretense among the clientele.

And btw, take out a half dozen or so restaurants in New Orleans, and it doesn't make your silly list at all. That was throw-'em-a-bone-over-Katrina, plain and simple.

And we have every wastefull Fake Plastic Sons of a Bitch to thank for it!

Yup, which dr poster(s) used to brag that they were going to burn fuel just for the hell of it?

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I didn't even know Al Gore posted here. Or are you talking about Babs Streisand? John Travolta, maybe?

Actually, it could be any of those limousine liberals out in Hollywood. But somehow I get the idea you're not worked up about them. Selective outrage, and all that.

I have to wonder,

Redneck how many gallons of gas did you use today? Have you moved closer to your job yet? Or maybe bought a moped (100MPG) or a bike (infinityMPG)?

Or are you an Al Gore who uses more electricity in a month than I do in a year and a half?

Sorry mate but there is this funny thing about being a "conservative" thats this whole conserve thing.

I'm betting that my whole right wing family uses less gas and electricity than you do individualy.

Oh and as far as greenhouse gasses go have you gone vegetarian yet? You know that vegetarians have a much smaller carbon foot print than meat eaters, I'm sure you have gone completly vegan right?

"Sorry mate but there is this funny thing about being a "conservtive" thats this whole conserve thing. TAOWARRIOR

TAO ,
The funny thing is that most people who call themselves conservatives don't actually practice conserving. Up until recently they were proud of their gas guzzlers.
BTW, Gore's electric bill includes an office that employs 60 people. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good lie.

60 people are working in his house? Isn't that some violation of the zoning laws?

Or has he started running the ol' plantation again?

Ig,

Most people who call themslves conservatives are not. Just part of the double speak. Thats ok though, we can all go crazy in our symbolicly conflicted world together. It might have already happened, who would notice?

Might be an end to the open road if you drive a hummer, excursion or suburban.

Too pessimistic! Sure, if you're GW Bush you think the world is your frontier, and you literally think of colonial expansion on the military front and of neo-colonial expansion on the corporate front. But if you're any kind of intellectual, you think as the world as a great big contest for ideas, creativity, and equal opportunity. It will be a long time before the frontier of free ideas, and equal opportunity is closed by the widespread consensus that those frontiers are closed.


Town,

I enjoy your optimism but i don't know if it will happen that way. I think the corporations and governments (no difference these days) will collude to force out intellectual discourse and free thought.

I hope i'm wrong, but there is ample evidence.

Well, feel free to share some of your evidence. After all, it was government and corporations who built the internet, which has done more for the exchange of intellectual discourse and free thought than anything built since Gutenburg was alive. The proliferation of millions of websites has, in fact, caused many of the large newspapers to face bankruptcy--they're pretty big corporations, after all.

We now have more choice, more information, more access--than at any time in human history. Corporations and governments can either adapt and go along, as in China, or not, and fail.

RiR,

But who has the resources to unlock corruption stories? The Bradblog does more than the Washington Post or NY Times? But what kind of exposure does it get? TV still rules. Not one major network broadcast the Kucinich Impeachment Story last week. News is carefully managed to achieve predetermined ends. There is no better example than the bullshit which surrounds the myth of free markets.

Nutcase,


No system of government or economics is perfect. All are fraught with corruption, fraud and incompetence and this has been so throughout all of human history. That said, I simply don't buy into your conspiratorial rants. The tenor of your posts suggest some grand conspiracy to brutally oppress 90% of the population and that the 10% doing so are in massive cohoots with not a decent, honest soul among them.

Your posts also suggest a Mercantilistic view of the economy - zero sum, one side's gain is another side's loss. If that is truly your view, you couldn't be more wrong about anything in your life.

Furthermore, your posts suggest that anything that is good for corporations and business must be bad for "common man". Moving even further, your posts suggest that 'common man' is getting fucked but is too stupid to realize it or care.

Lastly and what I find to be most perplexing, some days you advocate Socialism as the answer to societal ills, other days you seem to advocate Libertarianism.

Please note: I am not trying to make this about you personally; this post is not an attack. I am simply challenging what I've construed to be your views as they are a bit of an anethema.


California's a flyover state too. Just another interesting map feature enroute Maui or Tahiti.

Posted by rightisright at 2008-06-23 05:04 PM | Reply

Hardly interesting. On my trips to and from Asia I am usually changing planes in SFO or LAX.

California is a place to piss on, flush and then leave

"California is the land of nuts, fruits, and flakes. We need to sink oil wells there off the coast every 10 meters and the state will become somewhat useful."

That is the most impotent, pathetic trolling I've read here in a long time. Go to bed, junior. No dinner or TV for you. But I'm a generous fella...you can take Disneyland if you want it; but no returns or exchanges.

And as much as it give me a rash to type it, RisR is correct...in that everything south of Santa Barbara is a 150 square mile ant hill.

The funny thing is that most people who call themselves conservatives don't actually practice conserving.

Posted by igmoramus at 2008-06-23 09:27 PM | Reply

Well, you certainly have the right handle, seeing as how being a political Conservative has nothing to do with enviromentalist wacko nonsense. But ignorance makes life easy.

And as much as it give me a rash to type it, RisR is correct...

Posted by dutch46
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That's not a rash. It's stupidity and weakness leaving the body, usually through the extremities.

As a Canadian...i have been paying waaay more than you whiners for years..it aint stopped me or slowed my gas use....i figger by the end of summer i will have a 4000 dollar gas bill...deal with it.

its just part of life

So...paying you a complement on actually being "right" for once is "stupidity and weakness" leaving my body.

Okie dokie...I'll take your word on it and persevere to not let it happen again.

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