Psychotics.

What a sad existence.

If only I was around to lay some pipe on her she would have wanted to live forever.

These people need a hobby...

yea

very stupid

suicide bombing
is not martyrdom its suicide mixed in with murder

islam FORBIDS it

HASNA should have read the koran

wonder where the 72 year old virgin figures into this story...

Family values?

wonder where the 72 year old virgin figures into this story...

Posted by nanc

I'm sure LarryMohr, Celisary, Jimi_Left, ItsMe, Redneckville, and 67 other Lefties here will be along to post shortly Nanc...

nice religion. Ignorant fucking people.

Is she B HUSSEIEN O's sister?

Am I supposed to shed a tear?

Hey Rob... get any sleep this weekend?

Yours,

Hagbard, "sleeping like his baby" Celine

Hey, Jimmy Big Mac...

She's not. But since you ended your post with a question mark, I assume you didn't know that, or that you were too lazy to find that answer on your own.

Or, you are a moronic troll.

Am I supposed to shed a tear?

I'm just laughing at how in the aftermath of 9/11, public schools had kids learning about Islam and how pretty and sweet it is, and we had to watch Mohammed Ali vibrating across our TVs talking about how Islam is about peace...

At least people from both sides of the aisle are starting to see it for what it is.

Hey Rob... get any sleep this weekend?

Not a bad weekend... I think we finally broke her of the need to be swaddled. I few strategic naps here and there helped too...

It is important to note that she viewed blowing onself up in order to kill innocent bystanders as "martyrdom" before her brother's death made her go off the deep end.

It really is a charming culture.....

Hey EVA,

This story doesn't make your side (the moronic America hating lefty lib loonies look good.

How about that?

this woman wasn't getting any pipe and that is the reason she did it. Lets quit making up excuses.

Not a bad weekend... I think we finally broke her of the need to be swaddled. I few strategic naps here and there helped too...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Good to hear. You gotta let her cry it out a couple of nights and she won't give you any trouble at all after that... sounds harsh, but you'll be grateful when its over.

Huh? What "side" do you assume I'm on? And what is the connection between this story and my "side"?

Are you over 18 (age, not IQ), by any chance?

I just dropped off Obama's kids at the pool.

I just dropped off Obama's kids at the pool.

Posted by JimmyMac

Huh? I don't get it.

Yeah, Jimmy Mac, your posts are pretty much like shits.

Huh? I don't get it.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Thats OK

Well, JM, then you'd better enlist to help fight them.

I serve, do you?

Or are you just a blowhard rightie dittohead with too many other priorites and butt-boils?

Well, JM, then you'd better enlist to help fight them.

I serve, do you?

Or are you just a blowhard rightie dittohead with too many other priorites and butt-boils?

Posted by evashogouki

I LOVE this stupid tactic by the leftie loons. It shows how little they have and what their religion is: HATE America and HATE the troops that defend their right to spew hatred..

LOL!

Umm...asshole, I am one of the "troops."

Answer my question, troll.

I happen to be a 5 star general!

See how easy this is you stupid leftist liar?

"At least people from both sides of the aisle are starting to see it for what it is."

islam is a peaceful religion
its followers aren't really following it.

like i said
she should have read the koran.

i'm peaceful and i'm on both sides of the aisle

(headesk)

"I happen to be a 5 star general!"

wow they let idiots lead?

"islam is a peaceful religion"

Saw the heads off of the heretics!

BLOW UP INNOCENTS IN THE NAME OF PEACE!!!!

I serve, do you?

Or are you just a blowhard rightie dittohead with too many other priorites and butt-boils?

Posted by evashogouki

You know for the longest time the Chickenhawk "insult" seemed to die off... I've noticed it coming back lately. Here's a couple tips here for the libs... 1) its not an insult... no one says, "Oh no they called me a chickenhawk," and runs aways, 2) 99% of the time it just makes you a hypocrite, 3) Its really a pussy deflection, or crutch for when you've run out of arguments or someone asked a question or made a point you can't reply to.

So please, for everyone's sake, just let it die off for good, because its really just silly.

Rob, I know what you are saying; this dill-hole, however, got to me. I won't feed him anymore.

EVA,

You are a big fat lefty liar....

I serve with plenty of 'lefties' but it doesn't really matter when you are actually deployed.

I'm a right winger and not a chickenhawk.

this dill-hole, however, got to me. I won't feed him anymore.

Posted by evashogouki

As a dill-hole/A-hole myself, I can say that is the tactic... remember its just a blog... but don't spread that around too much, then I won't have any fun here either.

LOL!

What IS a dill-hole???

2) 99% of the time it just makes you a hypocrite

Rob, it only makes you a hypocrite if you support a war. It's not just about not serving, but also supporting a war and not having served.

HAG - It would make one a hypocrite if they were not in the military but were speaking on military matters, after telling someone else not to do the very same.

I don't have a vagina but I can still tell others about the evils of planned parenthood's evil agenda and STILL not be a hypocrite...

Just sayin

Not exactly, Andy....

I don't have a vagina

Posted by JimmyMac at 2008-06-23 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag

But pretty clearly you wish you did.

FACT!

Hag - I understand the definition, but are you saying the only way to support any war is to have served or currently be serving? Does somebody who supports the war but does not serve for whatever reason automatically put them in the category of chickenhawk? There are a lot of people on both sides that support the war in Afghanistan, but do no serve. Are you in the military and do/did you support the invasion of Afghanistan? If so, do you think you should be labeled a chickenhawk?

"but do no serve" = "but do not serve"

"but do no serve" = "but do not serve"

Andy, I think the nuance here is "advocate" versus support.

No I just love the company of vaginas.

FACTOLA!

I hear that Lou Dobbs ate a bad tomato and got the poopies. Now he wants to impeach GWB because of it.

The man is a nutjob....FACT!

To a degree, I may be saying that... but I'm closer to a pacifist.

That said, for a few weeks following 9/11, I thought I was going to have to go back to the US (was in Peru at the time) to enlist.

Then I remembered who the CIC was and also remembered that once I enlist, I fight on somebody else's terms, not my own.

Chances are by the time I was done with basic training or OCS (which is prolly what would have happened) , I would have been shipped to Iraq, and I definitely was/am NOT in support of that mission.

Posted by messiah at 2008-06-23 10:34 AM

If only I was around to lay some pipe on her she would have wanted to live forever.

Gosh Messiah. It's been observed before.

By the old Moulmein Pagoda, lookin' eastward to the sea,
There's a Burma girl a-settin', and I know she thinks o' me;
For the wind is in the palm-trees, and the temple-bells they say:
"Come you back, you British soldier; come you back to Mandalay!"

Come you back to Mandalay,
Where the old Flotilla lay:
Can't you 'ear their paddles chunkin' from Rangoon to Mandalay?
On the road to Mandalay,
Where the flyin'-fishes play,
An' the dawn comes up like thunder outer China 'crost the Bay!

'Er petticoat was yaller an' 'er little cap was green,
An' 'er name was Supi-yaw-lat -- jes' the same as Theebaw's Queen,
An' I seed her first a-smokin' of a whackin' white cheroot,
An' a-wastin' Christian kisses on an 'eathen idol's foot:
Bloomin' idol made o'mud --

You're probably right, Messiah, laying some hose on her would cure her mental illness, distract her from offing herself. She would instead thenceforth dedicate herself to a life of pleasure and a search for ecstasy.

We know the solution. Will you undertake the task. Some of these women are god-awful ugly. that may be why they wear burkhas. Otherwise men would be turned off. It'll take a man with an extraordiarily high libido to be able to do this job. Are you game? Are you willing to make the sacrifice?

My best friend in high school graduated and didn't enter the military. Being an only child, he instead was a volunteer firefighter during HS and when he graduated, he became a full-fledged firefighter.

As the house burns, he runs in, puts the fire out, saves lives, and he's a chickenhawk because he didn't serve but supports going to war?

I guess one could be a chickenhawk by going into the military to serve, goes overseas to kill bad guys, while his wife and children burn to death in the burning house - where he should have been.

Heroism and serving comes in many forms. I never served -but I've saved lives and I've been heroic and some of those people were former military and their families. I don't have a uniform and I have no medals or honors on the wall. I don't need them.

It's right in here that matters...

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-06-23 11:42 AM

It's not just about not serving, but also supporting a war and not having served.

Is foreign policy and the proper course of our pursuit of foreign affairs to be limited to those who have served in the armed forces, with everyone who has not served being precluded from considering the better alternatives from his perspective if he has not served in the armed forces?

What's your point?

If commitment of troops is the better alternative from the perspective of the person expressing an opinion, is he supposed to deny his conclusion, or not present it?

Is the best course of action off of the table if it entails commitment of troops?

Why are you so averse to war? Remember von Clausewitz observed that "War is the continuation of politics by other means." It's another method for conflict resolution, when an accord is not otherwise achieved.

I have difficulty understanding your point that people who have not served are excluded from recommending the war alternative? Subjectively, you probably have one. Could you communicate it?

Oh, here's another one for you, Celine. Despite disclaimers, which seem to be de rigeur, there are many people who are war lovers and thrive in such an environment. I don't know about the current involvements in Afghanistan and Iraq since there seem to be such severe restrictions and oversight of what people in the field can do. They seem to be on a tight tether, which takes away all of the fun of being unrestrained and essentially answerable to no one for anything. True freedom. There are risks. But it's a really high high.

Petrous, again, I think the difference, at least IMHO, is that a textbook 'Hawk is someone who advocates initiating war, or supports its continuation against what appears to be common sense, while having never served. Colin Powell, pre-credibility loss, once said something brilliant about how if the men responsible for sending troops to battle had actually seen the results of battle, they'd avoid war at all costs.

Otherwise, your post is spot-on.

The chickenhawk thing would not have gained so much popularity if people like Dick Cheney weren't constantly going on and on about how anyone who doesn't support their stupid fucking war in Iraq is some kind surrender-minded pussy. These guys, who would never themselves in harm's way, actually behaved as if they were tough guys for sending troops into Iraq for no reason and without plan. When referring to people who actually behave as if they are Audey Murphy for simply supporting a stupid war that they would never fight in themselves, the chickenhawk label makes perfect sense. It is just a bit overused.

Oh yeah, and Jimmy Mac is a borderline retard. I don't know how anyone could be upset by such a clown.

I'm trying to figure out the positions of people (here) who condemn all Muslims, yet somehow believe and support the continuation of our occupations in Islamic countries to "liberate" the same "radical Islamics." You would think they'd be all for pulling out and letting the chips fall where they might.

i'm sure you directed that at me, eva - i do not condemn ALL muslims - i do, however, condemn the notion of islam., same as i do mormonism, scientology, gehova witlesses and any other cult.

it is far better to be narrowminded on the side of truth than broadminded on the side of a lie.

as long as i'm attacked for my faith, i'll have an answer back - one cannot serve two masters after all.

'I'm trying to figure out the positions of people (here) who condemn all Muslims, yet somehow believe and support the continuation of our occupations in Islamic countries to "liberate" the same "radical Islamics."'

You are incorrectly assuming there is some kind of thought process behind such a position.

Nanc, that was not directed at you. Just the people (trolls, usually) who post moronic crap.

But, is it possible for you to dial-back the holy roller schtick a bit? Lol.

Nanc reminds me very much of the parable of the blind men who encounter the elephant. You know, the one where one blind man finds the tail and is convinced an elephant must be just like a rope. And another one finds a leg and is convinced an elephant must be just like a tree trunk, and so on.

Each is totally convinced that their limited version of an elephant must be exactly what an elephant is. None are willing to question their beliefs, or investigate further.

Rob, it only makes you a hypocrite if you support a war. It's not just about not serving, but also supporting a war and not having served.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Hagbard, I haven't seen too many bloggers here say they are/were against sending troops into Afghanistan in the aftermath of 9/11... in fact most Left leaning bloggers here say that we need to get many more troops into Afghanistan... I have yet to speak to a Left leaning poster here that is bloggin from Afghanistan in between missions.

That means that most Lefties here supported sending troops to fight and possibly die in a war that they didn't want to personally fight in. With that on their resumes, calling other posters, "Chickenhawks" is hypocritical.

i'm sure you directed that at me, eva - i do not condemn ALL muslims - i do, however, condemn the notion of islam., same as i do mormonism, scientology, gehova witlesses and any other cult.

it is far better to be narrowminded on the side of truth than broadminded on the side of a lie.

as long as i'm attacked for my faith, i'll have an answer back - one cannot serve two masters after all.

Posted by nanc at 2008-06-23 12:56 PM

hahahahaha, so your pagan ritual is true while their pagan ritual is a cult.

then with the pithy bumpersticker slogans.

nanc if you werent real I would have to make you up.

Nanc reminds me very much of the parable of the blind men who encounter the elephant. You know, the one where one blind man finds the tail and is convinced an elephant must be just like a rope. And another one finds a leg and is convinced an elephant must be just like a tree trunk, and so on.

Each is totally convinced that their limited version of an elephant must be exactly what an elephant is. None are willing to question their beliefs, or investigate further.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

what about the blind man who finds the elephant's slong?

"i do, however, condemn the notion of islam"

i condemn the notion of you

again we can go surah by surah and i can help you understand what the meanings are

and not what hateislam.com tells you they mean

how bout talking to a peace loving moderate educated muslim instead of the politics of idiots who don't even read their own holy book and think suicide is justified.

reading one surah does not muslim you make.

"how bout talking to a peace loving moderate educated muslim instead of the politics of idiots who don't even read their own holy book and think suicide is justified."

Because the former has decided to allow the latter to take control of the religion. It doesn't matter one bit that a silent group of "educated peace loving Muslims" disagree with jihadists when the jihadists are the ones getting their message out to the masses.

Moderate muslims only want to debate Islam with non-Muslims. When it comes to standing up to the people who use their religion to promote hate, they have nothing to say. They shouldn't expect anyone else to stand up for the peaceful aspects of their religion when they have refused to do so themselves.

I hear that Lou Dobbs ate a bad tomato and got the poopies. Now he wants to impeach GWB because of it.

The man is a nutjob....FACT!

Posted by JimmyMac

It's time for you to leave Jimmy.

I'm getting you kicked out.

for everything JimmyMac writes, just go in and mark it abusive. RCade will notice it.

It won't matter. He's been booted before and just keeps coming back as something else.

Moderate muslims only want to debate Islam with non-Muslims. When it comes to standing up to the people who use their religion to promote hate, they have nothing to say. They shouldn't expect anyone else to stand up for the peaceful aspects of their religion when they have refused to do so themselves.

Posted by sully

true.

In the US, There is a saying that you don't discuss politics and religion at parties and at work, etc. Because it is a quick way to give of the wrong impression of yourself.

In Islamic cultures, however, you don't do it, because it's a quick way to get yourself killed!

I know this is an over-simplification.

But why would a religion be prepared to KILL you for talking negative about it if it is such a good religion?

It won't matter. He's been booted before and just keeps coming back as something else.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Give it a rest Jimmy. You need to act older than 21 if you want to post here.

how bout talking to a peace loving moderate educated muslim instead of the politics of idiots who don't even read their own holy book and think suicide is justified.

Posted by klifferd

Because they're outnumbered in the middle east...

for everything JimmyMac writes, just go in and mark it abusive. RCade will notice it.

Posted by Eddie

everyone loves a snitch...

When it comes to standing up to the people who use their religion to promote hate, they have nothing to say.

And how many times do I have to remind you that the best kind of "standing up to the people who promote hate" is through Democracy and elections.

In Pakistan's elections, we voted out ALL the islamist parties.

THAT is called standing up to them.

Having said that, it is not our job to stand up to some taliban-type as long as he isn't bugging us.

again we can go surah by surah and i can help you understand what the meanings are

Kliff, don't do that. Every time you educate these Infidels, they only find a new way to twist anything Islamic to fit their perverted minds.

Right now, it is obvious to any Muslim reading how fake these copy/paste Kaffirs are and that is how I like them.

Let them copy-paste all they like from Sahi Bukhari book of "authentic" Hadiths. LOL

how bout talking to a peace loving moderate educated muslim instead of the politics of idiots who don't even read their own holy book and think suicide is justified.

Posted by klifferd

Because they're outnumbered in the middle east...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Not true.

Most of the people of the Middle East would prefer peace and Freedom from Islamic Oppression. They love their religion, but they want the Freedom of Choice.

However, don't confuse this with the Freedom from US Oppression!!! Which is real feeling amoung most of the people in the Middle East.

I'll bet if we were to back off, the Muslim extremist would too.

These poor people!

I'll bet if we were to back off, the Muslim extremist would too.

That is true to some degree.

Even more true is if you stop buying their oil. (in case there is a breakthrough in battery technology or superconductors)

No oil business, no muslim extremist. Guaranteed.

It's all oil powered.

In Pakistan's elections, we voted out ALL the islamist parties.

THAT is called standing up to them.

Point is, if the Middle East had any real democracy, the people would have taken care of extremists long ago.

Having elections is the safest way... the only way, in fact... for the common man to stand up to "them".

America hasn't been able to bring democracy (on purpose) to either Afghanistan or Iraq. So the people will continue to suffer.

Whenever we have (in Pakistan) had an Islamist party running things in a part of the country, we have always regretted giving them power simply because they always ruin the economy of the area and they are always incompetent. They only talk about creating a welfare-state but have no clue how. In the next elections (whenever they take place, LOl), they are kicked out. Never fails.

Isn't there any other non-American.. besides meself and Potato... on this sorry-arsed website???

My email.

Isn't there any other non-American.. besides meself and Potato... on this sorry-arsed website???

~Tosser

There's a couple more Canuckleheads like meself but beyond that? ...not so much.

Be Well.

/On Topic?

Suicide Bombers?

Spud calls 'em "Not-So-Smart" bombs.

"Having said that, it is not our job to stand up to some taliban-type as long as he isn't bugging us."

That's my point. As long as you have that attitude, then you shouldn't be pissed that non-Muslims view Islam as violent. If it "doesn't bug you" that these people represent Islam as promoting insane violence then don't act so fucked bugged when non-Muslims hear the message, see the results and believe it.

You can't say "it isn't my problem" and then whine about the negative consequences of your inaction. Well you can and some people may even buy into your bullshit, but the problem doesn't go away until Muslims police themselves.

There's a couple more Canuckleheads

I wish they would drop a hint now and then that they are from Canuckistan. I would talk with them rather than at them.

these people represent Islam as promoting insane violence then don't act so fucked bugged when non-Muslims hear the message, see the results and believe it.

Only Americans. They are not killing Chinese or Koreans are they?

Americans have a problem with everyone it seems.

negative consequences of your inaction

I did vote them out of office, war-monger.

What inaction are you talking about?

the problem doesn't go away until Muslims police themselves.

The problem won't go away until you and your kin vote away the likes of the Chimp.

then you shouldn't be pissed that non-Muslims view Islam as violent.

Who's pissed? I am only saying it like it is. If you can't listen to an opposing view like the American that you are, then don't read my posts.

that these people represent Islam

No, people like me represent Islam. Me. And as I see it, is not in my job description to call off the dogs.

1. I can't do it in Iraq sitting in Pakistan. LOL

That is like asking the Catholics from the Philippines to call off the IRA just because they happen to be Catholics too.

How stupid is THAT??? hahahahahahahaha

2. As long as the dog isn't barking at me, it's fine. It's the dog's nature to bark.

then you shouldn't be pissed that non-Muslims view Islam as violent.

Who's pissed? I am only saying it like it is. If you can't listen to an opposing view like the American that you are, then don't read my posts.

that these people represent Islam

No, people like me represent Islam. Me. And as I see it, it is not in my job description to call off the dogs.

1. I can't do it in Iraq sitting in Pakistan. LOL

That is like asking the Catholics from the Philippines to call off the IRA just because they happen to be Catholics too.

How stupid is THAT??? hahahahahahahaha

2. As long as the dog isn't barking at me, it's fine. It's the dog's nature to bark.

Honestly, I like posting on different forums and blogs all over the net... mostly Pakistani... and I have never seen the level of concern for Islam I see here amongst the common Yankee.

I work, eat, fuck someone, interact with the world, fuck someone else maybe... the word "Islam" doesn't enter my head and it has no connection with whatever I do all day (I do see myself as a good muslim though).

Only when I post here do I see AMERICANS going Islam this Islam that.... YEEESH...!!! LOL

If you lot are soooo concerned about Islam, go live in a mosque. LOL

"Only Americans. They are not killing Chinese or Koreans are they?"

Actually, they kill more non-American Muslims than anyone else.

"Americans have a problem with everyone it seems."

Who?

"The problem won't go away until you and your kin vote away the likes of the Chimp."

Bullshit. They were around and gaining power for decades. The jihadist movement was in full swing before Bush. Chimpy is just an excuse for people like you so you don't have to admit your religion is the pits.

"If you can't listen to an opposing view like the American that you are, then don't read my posts."

I don't listen to bullshit when the reality is right in front of my face all the time. Actions speak louder than words. Every -KABOOM- in the name of Islam proves you wrong.

"No, people like me represent Islam."

They have millions of followers. You have zero. Don't be stupid.

"Only Americans. They are not killing Chinese or Koreans are they?"

Actually, they kill more non-American Muslims than anyone else.

"Americans have a problem with everyone it seems."

Who?

"The problem won't go away until you and your kin vote away the likes of the Chimp."

Bullshit. They were around and gaining power for decades. The jihadist movement was in full swing before Bush. Chimpy is just an excuse for people like you so you don't have to admit your religion is the pits.

"If you can't listen to an opposing view like the American that you are, then don't read my posts."

I don't listen to bullshit when the reality is right in front of my face all the time. Actions speak louder than words. Every -KABOOM- in the name of Islam proves you wrong.

"No, people like me represent Islam."

They have millions of followers. You have zero. Don't be stupid.

Frankly, Islam just isn't the thing I like to bother myself with. Islam takes care of itself.... But it is a good tool it turns out, to poke the infidels on this website with, since it worries them so much.

"Only when I post here do I see AMERICANS going Islam this Islam that.... YEEESH...!!! LOL"

Well I supposed back in the days of the KKK, white people who were not KKK members put who didn't particularly care that black people were being murdered didn't think about the KKK much either.

The jihadists who now represent Islam are hate mongers like the KKK. They don't target you so you don't think about them. Just because you are ignorant to and unaffected by a problem doesn't mean it isn't a problem.

When all you have around you are cavemen that don't bathe, dirt to eat, and flies to swat blowing yourself up along with innocent women and children probably sounds like a great escape.

It's frigging 2008 and these mutts are still wiping their asses with their bare hand.

Tosser,
Why don't you and klifferd pick some bugs out of eachother's man carpets and call it "lunch" you god damned filthy apes.

Why are you double posting like a moron? If I make a mistake do you have to repeat it? LOL

The jihadist movement was in full swing before Bush.

The islamist movement started in 1949 from an Egyptian who visited the US and got radicalized there.

You can look it up.

Thank you BBC.

If there had been no USA, there would be no islamic political movement. Syed Qutab (the bad guy) learned all his tricks about turning islam into politics, in the US.

And then it caught fire with the Iranian Ayatollah revolution that kicked out the American sponsored Shah.

Again, it was in reaction to something the US had done long ago.

Now it is up to YOU and YOUR kind to do more to make sure Chimps can't be President.

I did MY part. I and others like me, voted the islamists out of office in Pakistan.

What have YOU done? Except just go "crap crap boo hoo"?

They have millions of followers. You have zero.

You need to get out more. LOL

If there had been "millions" of them you would be dead right now.

I really don't think it's an "Islam" kind of thing as much as it is having so many gullible people looking for anything which will give their lives meaning - supposedly, anyway. I think the ones we need to focus on are the ones who recruit such people, those who con such people into becoming suicide bombers, those who point them at targets. I think these are the real scum who need to be exterminated. Unfortunetely, they are the ones who best know how to hide, as true cowards always do. And yet, as long as such people are around, we will continue to see suicide bombers, regardless of how many Muslims we may exterminate. No Tosser, I'm not pushing for extermination of Muslims.

No Tosser, I'm not pushing for extermination of Muslims.

Glad you cleared that up.

You can only fight an idea with another idea. But since the US leadership is morally bankrupt and insincere (they are only after the oil), there is no idea against idea fight.

Read this: (I read this guy every week)

What was the George Clooney movie? Syrania? Or some such name?

Seen that?

That is what you are talking about, FYI.

Yeah that's it. Syriana.

Tosser, yes, I did see that movie. Twas interesting and did a good job. And you are very correct that you can fight an idea only with another, better, idea. But I think the issue has gone beyond ideas. I think it has become one of education, but, unfortunetely, one which only the Muslim world can tackle. Only another Muslim can convince a Muslim that suicide is not justifyable. I fear the entire issue has gone beyond anything the Western world can change.

The islamist movement started in 1949 from an Egyptian who visited the US and got radicalized there.

And then it caught fire with the Iranian Ayatollah revolution that kicked out the American sponsored Shah.

Posted by Tosser

You seem confused and want to blame this on Republicans, but mostly Bush.

I don't care about Bush, his time to leave office is now!

1. First you suggest that the Islamic Violence is because we planted redicals

2. then you say that it's because of the US policy of meddling in other country's affairs.

3. Then you say that Bush is personally responsible.

I'd say it's #2. Which is a good number to describe this policy.

"If there had been "millions" of them you would be dead right now."

Milloins of Iranians chant "Death to America" in their mosques every day, several times a day. I'm still here. Doesn't mean those idiots don't exist.

"If there had been no USA, there would be no islamic political movement."

I really don't care why Islam is a violent religion. I'm just saying that it is.

Only another Muslim can convince a Muslim

Oh, I tried that more than once (not about suicide... about something else).

When one is brainwashed, one won't listen. In fact it got rather abusive, so I stopped doing it ever.

Try convincing one of those Christian freaks (Jehovah's Witness for example) that their beliefs are insulting to others. Will they listen?

The best thing is to stop the funding that comes from somewhere in the Mid East. THAT the US can do... if it wants.

Obama has never sawed anyone's head off.

AND he is a Muslim

Milloins of Iranians chant "Death to America" in their mosques every day

So their cussing bothers you? LOL

I really don't care why Islam is a violent religion. I'm just saying that it is.

Islam is different things to different people (it's so big!). For me, it is a source of inspiration, hope and peace.

For you and your war-mongering kind, it is nothing but violence.

Islam has always been like a mirror. Violent for violent cultures (how many murders in the US every hour?) and other things for other cultures.

Everyone can find something to suit them in Islam.

It's like play-doh.

The best thing is to stop the funding that comes from somewhere in the Mid East. THAT the US can do... if it wants.

Posted by Tosser

Amen. Drill ANWR now! Drill the gulf now! Nuclear now! Oil from shale now! Solar, wind, geothermal, etc... whatever it takes to get off foreign oil. The U.S. will be better off.

"The islamist movement started in 1949 from an Egyptian who visited the US and got radicalized there."

It started waaaaayy before that.

It is no accident there are 83 recognized versions of Islam. More unofficial ones.

You are only having trouble with 2 of them. LOL

When one is brainwashed, one won't listen. In fact it got rather abusive, so I stopped doing it ever.

~Tosser.

Jonathon Swift once sed...

"Never try to reason someone OUT of a position they were never reasoned INTO in the first first place."

Strewth.

Be Well.

It started waaaaayy before that.

There are many times in Islamic history when Islam was used for political purposes. But it always got better as new ideas emerged.

The political islamic movement you face right now, started in 1949.

"Never try to reason someone OUT of a position they were never reasoned INTO in the first first place."

EXACTLY!!!

Thanks.

Cockroach alert.

"The political islamic movement you face right now, started in 1949."

It's just a continuation of the movement after a short pause. Did you notice how many times the words, "battle," "campaign," "conquest,"
"expedition," "occupation," "advance," etc. etc. appeared in the chronology of Islamic history?

It was kind of like taking the Browns to the Superbowl...

But it is a good tool it turns out, to poke the infidels on this website with, since it worries them so much.

Posted by Tosser

You know, it's statements like these that really endear Americans to their muslim brothers. That and the constant use of the word Yankee in a demonstratively negative manner. Tosser, although you try to speak to Americans as if on high, I really think that your faux superiority is caused by poor self esteem brought on by residency in a third class country. As is spuds. When pakistan saves the world let me know, otherwise I suggest you at least think of Americans as equals not infidels.

"battle," "campaign," "conquest,"
"expedition," "occupation," "advance," etc. etc. appeared in the chronology of Islamic history?

Have you noticed how much these very words come up in American history?

Ask the Injuns.

I suggest you at least think of Americans as equals not infidels.

Want to be my equal Amreekan-Infidel?

Check your facts and see the dirt you are covered with.

"So their cussing bothers you? LOL"

No, you said there aren't millions of people who follow Islam's more violent messages. I proved you wrong by pointing out an example of a whole country of people who pray for the violent deaths of others multiple times per day. Do try to keep up, LOL.

"Everyone can find something to suit them in Islam.

It's like play-doh."

More like bullshit, which has the same consistency.

Look, if you don't want to face up to the more violent aspects of your religion, that's fine. Pretend it doesn't exist. Great for you. Just don't expect anyone else to join you in fantasy land.

Check your facts and see the dirt you are covered with.

Posted by Tosser

Right. Which fact would that be? That you are commenting from a third world country? Per capita income of less than 3k - yeah third world dude. You might be an emerging economic center, but it would seem most of your citizens live in poverty.

"Whenever we have (in Pakistan) had an Islamist party running things in a part of the country, we have always regretted giving them power simply because they always ruin the economy of the area and they are always incompetent."

Said from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan!

I proved you wrong by pointing out an example of a whole country of people who pray for the violent deaths of others multiple times per day.

Praying and cussing isn't exactly being violent. It is part of political expression... like burning the American flag.

Now you're going to tell me you are against burning of the American flag??? That is allowed by law, I believe.

Pretend it doesn't exist.

I don't have to pretend. It is really peaceful for me... SINCE I AM NOT FIGHTING IN IRAQ.

hahahahahahahahaha

Get a clue, you ninny.

You might be an emerging economic center, but it would seem most of your citizens live in poverty.

Same as in India. Same as in China.

So?

"Whenever we have (in Pakistan) had an Islamist party running things in a part of the country, we have always regretted giving them power simply because they always ruin the economy of the area and they are always incompetent."

But I said that. Why are you repeating my words like a parrot?

What is your point?

Which fact would that be?

The fact that your Chimp drinks oil instead of water and will kill to get more of it.

Same as in India. Same as in China.

Yes - exactly.

You try to distance yourself from the Islamic sterotype but keep it in the official name of your cuntry. Bit of a dichotomy. If you are so upset with islamics running the cuntry, why keep the name?

with islamics running the cuntry, why keep the name?

To get cheaper petrol from Saudi. (yes, really!)

It worked so well, nobody bothered changing it back to the "Federal Republic of Pakistan".

Also, I really don't see the name as promoting the taliban or such people. Pakistan was created for India's Muslims, so calling it an "Islamic" country won't be wrong in that sense. It doesn't mean "islamics are running the country". Right now "assholes are running the country".

The fact that your Chimp drinks oil instead of water and will kill to get more of it.

Posted by Tosser

You have proof Bush has killed for oil? Anyway, your chimp has an illegal presidency. Nothing like suspending the constitution, and arresting supreme court justices to kick off a presidential term.

Nothing like suspending the constitution, and arresting supreme court justices to kick off a presidential term.

Boys will be boys....

Btw, you will be happy to know (since you are so interested), the new Govt. has just today increased the number of Supremes from 16 to 29.

If our chimp poops on the carpet we, at least, clean up after him.

"Praying and cussing isn't exactly being violent. It is part of political expression... like burning the American flag."

They are chanting about killing people. They are doing so during a religious service. They are being taught that killing Americans is a religious duty. That's a violent message being delivered by Islam. If some of those people then go out and murder Americans (or Israelis, they chant about them too) they can rightfully say they are just doing what they were taught to do during religious services. This is just one of many examples of people being told in a mosque or an Islamic school that murdering people is not only OK, its a duty.

You can burn all the American flags you want. I don't see how you equate the two. You seem desperate.....

"It is really peaceful for me... "

It is peaceful for me too since I ignore the bullshit altogether.

Doesn't mean it doesn't inspire others to violence. You are right that you have no obligation to stop others from using Islam as a tool for violence. But you really have no basis for pretending Islam is not violent as practiced by many because it clearly is.

"Get a clue, you ninny."

I proved you wrong on the whole "millions of people don't follow Islam's violent message" thing, that Bush invented radical Islam and that radical Islam kills mostly Americans.

Your last post seems to indicate that you equate flag burning with telling people it is their religious duty to murder others. So you seem pretty hard up to make anything even approaching a point.

If anyone needs a clue, it is you (although I did give you three today and you failed to thank me).

As will we, hopefully come November. I will say that you are spot on about the foreign oil issue!

Where's bAni with his worthless links to whatreallyhappened, explaining why this is someone elses fault.

that Bush invented radical Islam

I never said Bush invented radical islam (he does help it along though). I said it came about in 1949. Read my post again.

I don't see how you equate the two.

It's political expression.

The core belief of Iranian society is that religion and politics go together. Therefore if they do it as part of a religious service, that is their political expression.

Now stop being such a drama queen and tell me if any Iranians have killed Americans recently?

Its just empty cussing... which they have a right to.

Not so long ago, in those very same religious sessions, they said "Death to Pakistan" and attacked our embassy.

We just shrugged and said "screw you back".

I proved you wrong on the whole "millions of people don't follow Islam's violent message

No, you didn't.

"Its just empty cussing... which they have a right to."

So every example of hate speach taking place in a mosque or Islamic school is just empty talk, right?

Please. People have in fact acted on such teachings and murdered people all over the world as a result.

If you want to call it free speach, fine. It is also violent speach inspired by your shitty, violent religion. I'm not saying people don't the right to follow a shitty, violent religion. I'm just identifying a shitty, violent religion as being shitty and violent, which is my right.

"I proved you wrong on the whole "millions of people don't follow Islam's violent message

No, you didn't. "

Sure I did. You refuse to admit that having people chant about killing others mutliple times a day is delivering a violent message" because you are too small of a person to admit you are wrong.

Today's daily blat - the rear of the front section - spoke of this Islamic lady suicide bomber.

The second section's op ed page had a thinkpiece on moderate Islamics becoming scarcer.

A FRONT page piece had Iraqi reaction to all Haditha assassins going free, words from those whose toddlers were herded into back rooms and systematically executed by marine bullets.

I suppose if all three items had been on the same page, the DR righties would attack "mainstream" journalism as biased. herm