The government in this country is way to concerned about whether people own homes or not. What is the big deal anyways? I am all for an ownership society, but I see their push as a cynical ploy to keep the real estate and banking lobbyists happy.

The government should neither actively encourage nor discourage people from buying homes. Like with anything in life, there are advantages and disadvantages to everything, including home ownership. Considering that our economy is now more dynamic and people change jobs and career more frequently, getting into a home may not always be the right idea. When you rent and you want to move, the worst thing that can happen is that you break the contract and pay the penalty (x number of months) and you move. With a home, there is a bit of strategic inflexibility involved. It's not as easy to pick up and go.

This is what happens when our politicians do more then they are supposed to.

Their involvement...repub, Dem, State or fed, .....consistently is originated around a creative scheme to bilk more from the hardworking citizens who continue to blindly support and reelect the same crooks over and again. Our form of government is currently failing and is run by a buncha crooks. They're breaking up the economy and are overtaxing the backbone of the country.

That just goes to show how fast Americans are losing their homes.

When a politician says he is going to do something for you, run the other way.

Bush is a fucking loser no matter which way you slice him. Which of his programs actually delivered on their promises again?

When historians get down to writing about the failures of GWB and his mis-Administration, they'll end up with with more volumes than the Encyclopedia Americana.

Bush is a fucking loser no matter which way you slice him.

Actually Americans are the losers. And to think they voted for him TWICE.

As spoken by an idiot that will vote for a socialist bigot....not to mention a liar. If you think life under Hussein will be any better....you are the idiot I called you in the first sentence.

Posted by BusyB at 2008-06-21 06:05 PM

Who?

If I thought the housing bubble was a result of an actual policy, I'd agree. But that would mean that Bush actually sought a means to increase the public good, defined an objective, implemented a successful strategy, and saw it through.

You have to admit that's incredibly unlikely.

Remember how he used to blather on about how he helped reach new levels of home ownership. I don't hear too much of that crowing from the right these days.


As spoken by an idiot that will vote for a socialist bigot....not to mention a liar.

Posted by BusyB

You voted for GW twice so I assume you wouldn't know a liar if he crawled up your penis hole and bit your vas defrin.

Busy you should really know who you are talking to before randomly throwing out insults.

Ray will not be voting for either Obama or McCain as he has made it so abundantly clear in the past.

Oh and you do relize that both Obama and McCain are socialist right? It's just a diffence in how fast they will get us there.

I mean if you want to vote for McCain have fun but just don't go thinking you are making some mighty stand against government growth, you aren't.

Actually Americans are the losers. And to think they voted for him TWICE.

Posted by Ray

And the choice was?

When you try to help the stupid lazy fucks that crawl around on the bottom of our society they always turn around and bite us in the ass. Fuck em! They don't deserve homes, let them live under bridges.

Compassionate Thom

"And the choice was?"

Posted by Sniper

Do something useful: Put NONE OF THE ABOVE on all ballots.

And the choice was?

Posted by Sniper at 2008-06-21 08:09 PM

Anything but a Democrat or a Republican. Every damn time we go through the same ritual of voting for the best liar.

And the choice was?

Um... to NOT elect a war mongering, lying, War Criminal, and all around corporate meat puppet to the highest office in the land.

If you can look around at all the damage that Bush and Cheney have done and still say that Gore or Kerry woulda been worse then you really haven't beem paying attention at all.

A fucking Chia Pet woulda made a better choice.

Charles Manson woulda caused less damage fer fucks sakes.

Be Well.

"Charles Manson woulda caused less damage fer fucks sakes."

And you could have counted on him to off Osama on a timely basis.

And you could have counted on him to off Osama on a timely basis.

~MTW

Good point. Timely plus ya get the added bonus of knowing it would prolly be some really gruesome method used as well.

Spud reckons Bin Hidin' is already dead and his image is still being used at this by not only the AQ but the CIA/NSA/OSP as well.

Be Well.

Bush is "King Midas in Reverse".

Posted by dethspud

I call it "The Leaden Touch"

I don't get the headline. Bush never did not have a plan to increase home ownerdhip, so how could it have failed as the headline suggests? I realize that this is a left wing blog, but is it too much to ask for accurate headlines?

After I read the article, it focused on people who were foreclosed on because of stupid subprime loans. I don't think even Bush is capable of implanting a bigger brain into these people to prevent them from making bad financial decisions.

The very last line of the article pretty much says it all about the mentality of these idiotic homebuyers:

I pray a lot and hope to heck we'll win the Lotto," she said.

Pray a lot and waste money on the lotto. That doesn't exactly sound like a formula for financial success to me.

But it's still Bush's fault, right knee-jerk jerks?

You obviously didn't read the story. It detailed how Dubya wanted millions of low and minority folks to have the abiity to obtain homes through lending them Monies for them. Since there are more renters than home owners His plan failed. Therefore the headline is Intellectually Honest.

Larry Mohr

You obviously didn't read the story... Since there are more renters than home owners His plan failed. ?

No, Larry, it's obviously you who did not read the story. It said absolutely nothing about "Bush's plan" because he never did have one. In fact, the word "plan" doesn't even appear in the story. Therefore, the headline, like you have been all night, is intellectually dishonest.

As you would say: Please do try again.

Nice links, reinheitsgebot, but like the feature story, it says nothing about a plan. Bush "challenges" the real estate industry, but no "plan" is put forward.

Do you have a link that details Bush's "plan"? Or even one that says he has one?

The confluence of factors has largely derailed what Mr. Bush called ?the ownership society,? his campaign to give millions of people particularly minority and lower-income families a shot at homeownership by encouraging lenders to finance more home purchases.
?We?re not going to see homeownership rates like that for a generation,? said Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody?s Economy.com, a research company.
For many minority and lower-income families who viewed homeownership as a stepping stone to building wealth and passing it on to their children, the transition from owning to renting has been the unraveling of a dream. Burdened now by debt and bad credit, some of these families are worse off than they were before they bought.

PLEASE DO GET EDUCATED UPON THE READING MATERIAL AT HAND Goatman. Please do so ever try yet again.


Larry Mohr

Yes, Larry? Where is the word "plan"? I mean, you can cut and paste whatever you want, but so far, I see nothing that says Bush has a plan.

Please do try again.

PLEASE DO GET EDUCATED UPON THE READING MATERIAL AT HAND Goatman.

I am educated, Larry. My education enables me to recognize the word "plan" when it appears. To bad your education is so poor that you see words that don't exist.

Please do try again.

The headline for this thread should be as follows:

Bush had the goal of increasing homeownership but was foiled by the lack of a plan.

Ya know, I'm gonna somewhat take goats side on this one... While I acknowledge he did have a "plan" and in hindsight it doesn't seem to have worked, Looking at the policies linked by betelg, the "plan" looks like something right out of the democratic playbook.

Seriously, the guy had a plan to help lower income families buy homes, a plan, if proposed by a Dem, would be gushed over, but since in retrospect it failed..... well thats because Republicans suck.

In fact I'd see this more as a blow against government social programs in general and less about "Bush did bad"

But don't you dare call it a "plan".

Exactly. Don't say there was a plan when there wasn't one. Thank you

Mr. Bush called ?the ownership society,? his campaign to give millions of people particularly minority and lower-income families a shot at homeownership by encouraging lenders to finance more home purchases.

campaign

noun
1. a race between candidates for elective office; "I managed his campaign for governor"; "he is raising money for a Senate run" [syn: political campaign]
2. a series of actions advancing a principle or tending toward a particular end; "he supported populist campaigns"; "they worked in the cause of world peace"; "the team was ready for a drive toward the pennant"; "the movement to end slavery"; "contributed to the war effort"
3. several related operations aimed at achieving a particular goal (usually within geographical and temporal constraints)
4. an overland journey by hunters (especially in Africa)

verb
1. run, stand, or compete for an office or a position; "Who's running for treasurer this year?"
2. exert oneself continuously, vigorously, or obtrusively to gain an end or engage in a crusade for a certain cause or person; be an advocate for; "The liberal party pushed for reforms"; "She is crusading for women's rights"; "The Dean is pushing for his favorite candidate" [syn: crusade]
3. go on a campaign; go off to war

WordNet 3.0, 2006 by Princeton University.

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This plan Audio Help (pln) Pronunciation Key
n.
A scheme, program, or method worked out beforehand for the accomplishment of an objective: a plan of attack.
A proposed or tentative project or course of action: had no plans for the evening.
A systematic arrangement of elements or important parts; a configuration or outline: a seating plan; the plan of a story.
A drawing or diagram made to scale showing the structure or arrangement of something.
In perspective rendering, one of several imaginary planes perpendicular to the line of vision between the viewer and the object being depicted.
A program or policy stipulating a service or benefit: a pension plan.

PLEASE DO TRY AGAIN

Larry Mohr

Gustogus-
You may be right. It could be that Bush didn't really have a plan so much as a vague set of wishes. Sort of like in Iraq.

Funny isn't it BetelG.

Larry

The truth, of course, is that Bush had a PLAN, or a course of policies to increase home ownership.

Read the morning newspaper to see how that worked out.

I'm still waiting for you to show me where the word "plan" appears in the story. Why won't you? Could it be that you are continuing your campaign of intellectual dishonesty? I think so.

In case you forgot, Larry, I am looking for Bush's plan. So far, you cannot produce one. You can't even produce text that says he had one. Will you produce his plan or not? I'm guessing, "or not".

Please do try again.

Larry-
I'd be funny in a sit-com about a fictitious president.

"It'd". LOL

(But maybe I would be funny in a sit-com about a fictitious president.)

truth, of course, is that Bush had a PLAN, or a course of policies to increase home ownership.

He did? SInce Larry can't do it, maybe you can provide a link to that plan so that we can read what it was.

* American Dream Downpayment Initiative, which provides down payment assistance to approximately 40,000 low-income families;
* Affordable Housing. The President has proposed the Single-Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit, which would increase the supply of affordable homes;
* Helping Families Help Themselves. The President has proposed increasing support for the Self-Help Homeownership Opportunities Program; and
* Simplifying Homebuying and Increasing Education. The President and HUD want to empower homebuyers by simplifying the home buying process so consumers can better understand and benefit from cost savings. The President also wants to expand financial education efforts so that families can understand what they need to do to become homeowners.


From the whitehouse website.

Thats a plan. It offers tax incentives, down payment assistance and a streamlined process. Its everything a democrat would look for in a plan to increase home ownership (if not as robust as a true progressive would like, all the highpoints are hit).

I think a fair argument could be made that Bush's stewardship of the economy had an impact on homeownership, but for democrats to attack his "plan" as a failure seems a bit loony.

Expanding Homeownership. The President believes that homeownership is the cornerstone of America's vibrant communities and benefits individual families by building stability and long-term financial security. In June 2002, President Bush issued America's Homeownership Challenge to the real estate and mortgage finance industries to encourage them to join the effort to close the gap that exists between the homeownership rates of minorities and non-minorities. The President also announced the goal of increasing the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million families before the end of the decade. Under his leadership, the overall U.S. homeownership rate in the second quarter of 2004 was at an all time high of 69.2 percent. Minority homeownership set a new record of 51 percent in the second quarter, up 0.2 percentage point from the first quarter and up 2.1 percentage points from a year ago. President Bush's initiative to dismantle the barriers to homeownership includes:

American Dream Downpayment Initiative, which provides down payment assistance to approximately 40,000 low-income families;

Affordable Housing. The President has proposed the Single-Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit, which would increase the supply of affordable homes;
Helping Families Help Themselves. The President has proposed increasing support for the Self-Help Homeownership Opportunities Program; and
Simplifying Homebuying and Increasing Education.

The President and HUD want to empower homebuyers by simplifying the home buying process so consumers can better understand and benefit from cost savings. The President also wants to expand financial education efforts so that families can understand what they need to do to become homeowners.

If that isn't a Plan I don't know what is.

Larry Mohr

It could be that Bush didn't really have a plan so much as a vague set of wishes.

That very well could be. I myself have a vague set of wishes which include bedding Jennifer Anniston. But I really don't have a plan on how to do it.

For the sake of calming nerves, I'll just refer to the word "plan" in quotes from here on out, since its meaning is suddenly in doubt 7+ years into the Bush administration.

I meant to do that in my last post.

I think a fair argument could be made that Bush's stewardship of the economy had an impact on homeownership, but for democrats to attack his "plan" as a failure seems a bit loony.

Posted by GustoGus at 2008-06-22 05:35 AM | Reply

Not really when You think about it. Because of His failure at stewardship with regards to the economy. His plan was a failure.

Larry Mohr

From yet another Larry cut and paste:

The President believes
President Bush issued America's Homeownership Challenge
...to encourage them to ...
The President also announced the goal

That very well could be. I myself have a vague set of wishes which include bedding Jennifer Anniston. But I really don't have a plan on how to do it.

Posted by goatman at 2008-06-22 05:37 AM

Goat, If your official spokesman said

The Goatman also announced the goal of increasing the number of naked fun times with Jennifer Aniston by at least 5.5 nights before the end of the decade.

The Goatman's initiative to dismantle the barriers to naked fun time with Jennifer Aniston includes:

Wearing more Brut cologne at Hollywood hot spots.

Shaving the naughty bits

Writing Jennifer Anniston love poems through emails.



I would say you had a "plan" to sleep with Jennifer Aniston.

Lets not get caught up on what the definition of "is" is.

He seems to take credit for his plan when it appears to work.

Wow. Will the delusions ever end. You know, betelg, I can read, too. I did not read anywhere that Bush took credit. I see that the author made some observations, but nowhere did he say Bush took credit.

Your attempts to make a non-existent story come to life are pathetic. Get a grip, dude. Bush has plenty of real-liefr fuck-ups you can bash him on. You don't have to fabricate them.

OK!
Goatman, you win!. Bush had no plan for either the economy or Iraq. Just a vague set of wishes.

I give!

Typical Intellectual Dishonesty from Goatman. Why am I NOT surprised.

Larry Mohr

Goat, If your official spokesman said...

(list of actions to be performed 1st person by the protagonist)

Bush's spokesman (or bush himself) did not attribute any direct actions to bush, unless you call "issuing a challenge", or "encourging", or "believing" a plan. I don't. That's the difference

Bush had no plan for either the economy or Iraq.

Wrong again. He did have plans for each. A single example: The most recent plan for the economy is the stimulus package. It took legislation to enact.

What legislation was passed to "believe" or "encourage" or "challenge"?

Typical Intellectual Dishonesty from Goatman. Why am I NOT surprised.

Larry unable to back up his claims. Why am I not surprised?

Goatman-
Can you link to it with the word "plan" highlighted, please, if for no other reason than to maintain this conversation at its current level of triviality?

President Bush's initiative to dismantle the barriers to homeownership includes:

Seriosuly, you don't see that line right there.. the one that states Bush's initiative, and is followed by a group of policies that work towards that initiative as in anyway resembling a plan?

He established a goal. he set forth a group of policies to accomplish that goal. he didnt just issue a challenge or wish for it to happen, he actually pushed through legislation that gave out tax credits and helped people with their down payments.

There was a proactive push, through legislation and real world accomplishments to help more people buy houses by president bush.

what about that is not a "plan"?

you link to it with the word "plan" highlighted,

Of course I can't. That's what I've been maintaining all along! There is no plan. So how can I link the story with one? That's what I've been asking y'all to do.

No, Goatman. This:
"Wrong again. He did have plans for each. A single example: The most recent plan for the economy is the stimulus package."

duh!

I am really curious what Bush's post-"mission Accomplished" plans were for Iraq. Can you find that, too. (Don't forget to highlight the word, "plan".)

He established a goal. he set forth a group of policies

He had no policies. Policies require the teeth of the law which requires legislation. There was never any legislation introduced to enact a "plan". The president can't just say, "Here's a plan, now let's do it" without a law saying he has the authority to appropriate funds or whatever is needed to make it happen. Can you give me a single example of a binding plan that does not have laws to give credence to it?

I am really curious what Bush's post-"mission Accomplished" plans were for Iraq. Can you find that, too.

I've got no idea what they are. I'm curious, too. Let me know if you come up with anything.

Goatman-
me: "Bush had no plan for either the economy or Iraq."

You: "Wrong again. He did have plans for each."

So what was it for Iraq?

Look up.

Part of Bush's plan was the "American Dream Downpayment Initiative"

It was signed into law in 2003. I provided a link to it...

So what was it for Iraq?

Rid the place of WMDs. How did you miss that debacle?

And then?

All a Plan has to have is a desire or some forethought. I plan to lose weight. If I do not take the necessary steps to lose the weight My GOAL of losing weight My plan has failed. I nevertheless had a plan however.

Larry Mohr

Good gustogus! I'm pleased to see something positive. Had I seen that or even a reference to it in the story cited in this thread, I never would have posted my 3:42 which started this entire repartee. I based that post on the story linked at the top of the thread.

Thanks again.

Does this mean you owe me a cookie?

If so, I prefer oatmeal raisin....

Here's how it works, Larry: You have a goal ( or challenge, or vision, whatever) to lose weight. The plan to do so is to 1) eat less, 2) exercise, 3) consult a physician, 4) eat a lot of speed.

That was a slow and gruesome sight.

Does this mean you owe me a cookie?

If so, I prefer oatmeal raisin....

If we ever have the pleasuure of meeting one day, I will gladly buy you a beer. But if you prefer a cookie, I can do that, too. *grin*

I spoke too soon. It's not over. Sweet God have mercy.

And then?

I've got no idea. Do you think I have an inside link to the WH

So they didn't have a plan, or at least you can't show that they did.

Which is worse?

1) not having a plan

2) having a plan that's so godawful bad and such a failure that you don't want to talk about it so pathologically much that you debate the precise meaning of the word, "plan", for hours.

This thing still going?.

I'm still basking in my first ever win of a disagreement over the internet.... lets all enjoy the moment...

You don't have to fabricate them.

True.

I used to call him Incurious George. He acts like an emperor and just waves his hand and his minions spring to action, lockstep or out the door. He's a broad brush kinda guy, but he likes to hear stories. He knew what going on or could have suspected it, but that may have been too much trouble. Worse he decided to experiment with the hard right notion of economic shock to awe the Iraqis and see things his way.

Installing a democratic government wasn't a bad idea, but dismantling a socialist economic system and shoving the Iraqis into a free market meant that everyone was out of work and out of money. Naturally the Orders banning the Baathists and the Army put armed men in charge of the underground economy, and of course idle hands are the bomb makers' workshop. Labor was cheap.

I always say that arrogance and ignorance go together and George W Bush makes my case.

gus: So what will it be -- beer or cookies? I can even do beer and cookies.

I agree with the oatmeal and raisin. And they make the best ones I've ever hade here on the rig. If not oatmeal and raisin, I like the crispy oatmeal without raisins, but with pecans.

Good nutshell analysis, oz

Ooo, I've never had one with pecans.

You'de think after spending years picking the damn things in my grandpas backyard and having them tossed in everything from pralines to salads 1 would have made its way into an oatmeal cookie.

All things being equal, however, I'll take the beer :)

Installing a democratic government wasn't a bad idea, but dismantling a socialist economic system and shoving the Iraqis into a free market meant that everyone was out of work and out of money.

A free market is impossible under a military occupation. This one is more socialist than under Saddam. Totalitarian to the extreme.

A free market is impossible under a military occupation.

That's what propelled the black market RayGay. Anytime a command structure fails economically people will deal in contraband. Socialism as practiced in some European countries is democratic, so I always draw a distinction between truly socialist systems and totalitarianism. The ignorant painted Saddam with the "Hitler" brush, yet his idol was Joseph Stalin, and Stalin was a dictator not a socialist.

MohrOns like Douglas Feith and Paul Wolfowitz wanted to punish the Baathists, one and all, as if they were members of the Nazi Party. They used a WWII model for a very different situation. The Nazis were subject to charges of war crimes, and each was vetted - the Iraqis were not.

The Iraqi Army wasn't attacking anyone at the time, and if they had committed war crimes they did so under the command of those depicted on that deck of cards they were handing out. Not hard to follow the command structure from the top down and punish those responsible for carrying out the orders.

Considering there was only one political party, and for many Iraqis joining it was little more than our equivalent of joining a union to get better wages, it made no sense to issue the De-Baathification Orders.

Closing concrete plants or laying off government employees made no sense either. Reducing capital in the market caused a depression. These ideologues created a social chaos to dominate the country. So yes, RayGay, in the name of capitalism they induced a system worse than socialism and indeed, worse than Stalinism and Saddam himself.

on this related subject.........anyone else hear on NPR yesterday a long story on home loans and stuff....

they talked to a women who is about to lose her home and they went through all this stuff about how tragic and all and then they GAVE US FACTS That startled me.
the house cost FOUR HUNDRED G"s.............and what did she do for a living.......she was a single hispanic mom and she CLEANED HOUSES FOR A LIving and she was able to get a loan for a FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR HOUSE????????????????????

and so now you leftys want us to bail a person like this out with MY TAX MONEY????????????????

Great thread. All the best DR features. A digression into definitions which reinforced the very point the thread was about and what Goatman was arguing against like nothing else could have. Jennifer Aniston! Me too, Goatman. Alas, it will never be. Iraq. Bin Laden. Charles Manson! What no, Hitler yet.(This doesn't count.) Finally BL2 and "leftys". Ahhh!

First of all, it you want to get into this stupid name calling, I have a fitting name for you: OzarkFaggie. So grow up.

"Free" to a libertarian means free of government interference, both economic and civil. Socialism is its antithesis and comes in many forms and degrees from Communism to Fascism. Governments are inherently socialist institutions.

That's what propelled the black market RayGay. Anytime a command structure fails economically people will deal in contraband. Socialism

Command structures are notoriously oppressive. Black markets always thrive when government tries to control the market. Drug laws here are one example. They don't fit the definition of free because of the risk of prosecution.

I always draw a distinction between truly socialist systems and totalitarianism. The ignorant painted Saddam with the "Hitler" brush, yet his idol was Joseph Stalin, and Stalin was a dictator not a socialist.

There are degrees of socialism. Stalin was a totalitarian socialist dictator.

So yes, RayGay, in the name of capitalism they induced a system worse than socialism and indeed, worse than Stalinism and Saddam himself.

That logic is a contradiction in terms. As any refined socialist knows, you control the masses by controlling their language. It's sad that so few Americans know what it means to be free. For that, they are losing their freedom. How much longer before this country becomes a totalitarian state?

Reducing capital in the market caused a depression. These ideologues created a social chaos to dominate the country. So yes, RayGay, in the name of capitalism they induced a system worse than socialism and indeed, worse than Stalinism and Saddam himself.

Reducing capital in the name of capitalism? You haven't thought that one out.

You haven't thought that one out.

You spend so much of your time critiquing every one else on this blog RayGay that you really don't comprehend a nuance. When I say "in the name of" it refers to their demented and distorted reasoning. They called it capitalism but they created something else.

You're a prick RayGay and I expect nothing less of you than to color what I say with disdain. You're so much smarter than anyone else, and if anyone has any doubts they can just ask you. Fuck off. Governments are social structures. I think you should consider dropping out because your only achievement in life was buying that XT and helping your son along his way. It's no small thing, I do what I can for my daughter, but in of itself it doesn't make either us of the wiser.

You're so predictable RayGay, and that is a prime indicator to everyone on this site that you really lack imagination and creativity of thought. You can spew your dogmatic vitriol while proclaiming your virtue for following a beaten path. You don't impress me. You're a bore.

Once again, people misunderestimate the Shrub. He has succeeded in accomplishing his TRUE goal: not a rise in home ownership, a rise in the COST of home ownership. Besides transferring a huge amount of money into the pockets of those who already had plenty, he has created a new group of land developers and speculators who will contribute to the GOP and a broad sweep of home owners who, squeezed so tightly to make their mortgage payments, will be susceptible to GOP pandering on tax issues, etc.

If you think this was coincidental... think again.

Great thread. All the best DR features. A digression into definitions which reinforced the very point the thread was about and what Goatman was arguing against like nothing else could have. Jennifer Aniston! Me too, Goatman. Alas, it will never be. Iraq. Bin Laden. Charles Manson! What no, Hitler yet.(This doesn't count.) Finally BL2 and "leftys". Ahhh!

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DAMMIT BLUE>.......you were almost in a lot of friggin trouble, BUT you got me in there....ah my work here is almost done.........

He has succeeded in accomplishing his TRUE goal: not a rise in home ownership, a rise in the COST of home ownership.

okay so wheres the punch line......sarcasm or what? because you simply cant be serious........
what did bush have to do with the lady from 'all things considered' on npr yesterday.......the realtor, sure, should have their license revoked but how did bush make this lady get into that mess?

Fuck off. Governments are social structures.
You don't impress me. You're a bore.
Posted by OzarkAggie at 2008-06-22 10:45 AM

Well that was a mindless rant. This is way over your head. My mistake for treating you as if you were intelligent.

You spend so much of your time critiquing every one else on this blog RayGay that you really don't comprehend a nuance. When I say "in the name of" it refers to their demented and distorted reasoning. They called it capitalism but they created something else.

We all misread sometimes. You've got a deep grudge for some other reason. Whatever it is, tough shit.

I guess I never quite understood why it was the government's business to promote home ownership over renting.

Just another aspect of life in which government knows best. Except when they don't. Which is most of the time.

I read the droppings from the campaigns every day, and haven't heard a single one of them say which government programs need cutting. I hear a lot about what government should be doing more of, though. And, frankly, I blame Republicans. They've had eight years to re-orient the relationship between Americans and their government, and they governed like liberal Democrats. So, now, we'll be having heavy doses of the real thing.

"I read the droppings from the campaigns every day, and haven't heard a single one of them say which government programs need cutting."

Once again we see it is the right who are the Jerks and who sides with them ... the Big Jerk...Goatboy.

Bush said in 2004 and I quote:

A compassionate society must provide -- promote opportunity for all, and that includes the independence and dignity that come from ownership. This administration will constantly promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their home. We've got home ownership -- a minority home ownership gap in America. I've submitted a plan to Congress to close that gap.

Guess it don't get any clearer than that!

YOU FAIL Goatboy and this Administration Fails...miserably.

But it's still Bush's fault, right knee-jerk jerks?

Posted by goatman at 2008-06-22 03:42 AM | Reply |

Name calling. The last resort of a desperate asshole.

Right Goaty?

This is one more example of government sticking it's nose in where it doesn't belong. Just leave it up to the free market and stay in that swamp called Washington DC.

"Everything he (Bush) touches turns to shit."