Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

Rogers Cadenhead: The AP's dispute with the Drudge Retort has been resolved, but it does nothing to resolve the larger conflict between how AP interprets fair use and how thousands of people are sharing news on the web. If an expansive view of fair use is to remain in place, it's incumbent upon bloggers and our $500-an-hour friends in the legal community to define our own guidelines and fight for them. If we don't, big media companies will eventually define them for us, just as they've gotten the Digital Millenium Copyright Act and Copyright Term Extension Act passed in Congress.

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Thank goodness.

Sounds like we need to continue the policy of "fuck 'em then" for the time being.

so no AP stories on this blog?

(Justices Stevens, Ginsburg, Breyer, Souter, Kennedy, Lessig, Tribe and Clinton concurring).


rofl!!

Congrats, Rogers.

Cadenhead- 1 AP- 0

Very interesting read. Thanks.

Echoing Corky Congrats, Rogers.


Hand-jobs for everyone!!! Thanks to our republican friends, you can get yours in the third stall of the mens room.

Great news.

Way to go, RCade.

Thanks, everyone. Weird week.

so no AP stories on this blog?

When AP releases its guidelines, I can offer some specific advice for how to link to their articles here.

I wonder if the AP is reading this thread. Posting just an small part of the article with a link back to original website should not be a problem. It acts almost as a teaser.



- Any distribution, retransmission or other use of this post without the written consent of Pirate is prohibited.

"reading this thread. Posting just an"



So sue me.

That'll teach the librul media to interfere with Bush bashing libruls!
Go RCADE-The Bernwood/Steinward of the intertubes!

Congrats! Still, it is a cautionary tale when dealing w/ AP.



Hand-jobs for everyone!!! Thanks to our republican friends, you can get yours in the third stall of the mens room.


It doesn't make me gay if I close my eyes and pretend I'm getting it from the pretty blond that sells me bolts, nuts and washers does it?

"It doesn't make me gay if I close my eyes and pretend I'm getting it from the pretty blond that sells me bolts, nuts and washers does it?

Posted by Axiom"

Only if the blond's name is Steve.

"R", As you seem to be pleased we can assume that the solution will be a workable one. The way this article come over i leaves me with doubts.

Are the Gerbils to receive adequate protection? More work=more food. Your rodents are questioning just how things will go back at the shop.

Some of us think of others, that means those that make it all work in that "back room".

Great news-Congrats Rcade!

WAY TO GO RCADE!

You are on the front lines of the Freedom of the Press and Truth.

keep up the good work!

And I needs me Blog Therapy so don't take away me Blogworld!

Which airport bathroom stall do I go to for my hand job?

Please explain the wide stance signals again as I am a Democrat and I get confused easily about those things.

It doesn't make me gay if I close my eyes and pretend I'm getting it from the pretty blond that sells me bolts, nuts and washers does it?

Posted by Axiom at 2008-06-20 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Just remember, eat 1,000 pussies but, suck just one dick..........and YOU ARE A COCKSUCKER.

Congrats Rogers.

Great! Let us not forget that it was the Clinton Administration that passed the DMCA which has emboldened these assholes. Now they're eating crow and rCade is probably wearing his miter ( and nothing else ) while drinking a Cuba Libre.

Sorry about that last image...

C'mon, Rcade, gloat a little. The headline should've read: Rcade Kicks the AP's Ass.

Or maybe:

Rcade: Don't Fuck With Me, AP.

Or

Rcade: AP Sleeps With The Fishes.

C'mon, Rcade, gloat a little. The headline should've read: Rcade Kicks the AP's Ass.

Heh. And when the lawyers eat me, who's going to keep this server running?

"who's going to keep this server running?"

Posted by rcade

How about a geek?
static.flickr.com

bureaublumenberg.net

Heh. And when the lawyers eat me, who's going to keep this server running?

Silly blog-god.

Lawyers don't practise cannibalistic rituals anymore these days. Not since they found out how much they can make from selling human body parts on the black market. The Modern Lawyer types nowadays will simply sell yer body parts one by one and then maybe take some of that money in order to purchase various endangered species which they do then eat in ritualistic and stomach churning fashion.

Practically civilised is they.

...or so Spud read on the intrawebs one day.

Anyhoo, congratulations fer yer partial victory here.

Spud notes that it appears that the price of blog freedom is eternal vigilance.

Tell us if AP ever get their "guidelines" together.

Be Well.

END OF THREAD

Great news, Rcade.

Also glad to read that other larger groups would back you up. I had a feeling this could end up in a sort of "bloggers class action suit" against AP. Serves them right!

So, how does it feel to possibly end up being the name in a landmark case when it comes to making media legal history? If this dispute ends up being the basis for it being fought all the way to the Supreme Court you could set legal precedence.

I can see now how in the future all media disputes before the courts would start out their legal briefs with the following words:

".. In the famous landmark case of Associated Press v. Drudge Retort...."

I saved your email telling me I had written one of the seven userblog stories AP had complained about being used on DR. Maybe I'll frame it and hang it on the wall if your case becomes famous. (grin)

Associated Press v. Drudge Retort

How about Drudge Retort v. AP?

Grow some balls - just do it. Haha

Nice job RCADE.

in order to write new laws to protect the system from corporate media one needs the money to finance the politicians.

Grow some balls - just do it. Haha

I can't grow balls thanks to a childhood injury on my Schwinn Sting Ray. Thanks for bringing back painful memories, Ozark.

AP has filed a report on this dispute:

ap.google.com

Anyone who quotes a word from that story will be traded to Daily Kos for a troll to be named later.

Nice move, pulling the AP off google.

painful memories

Well I once served under an AWEPS named "Duchene" (Ltjg) and he rightly deserved the nickname Douche. Probably no relation to your lawyer, but the recollection nonetheless has ruined my otherwise happy day.

(But I did slip in a word now didn't I?)

I won't quote anything from it, but 2 links to your workbench and one to the main page of the DR ain't bad!

Sick of media censorship.

RCade, thanks for standing up for what's right, and long live DR.

Thanks.

New York Times just weighed in:
The A.P. Asserts Tough (and Still Secret) View of Copyright on Blogs.

Rcade, good luck, man... I love this site and hope the AP doesn't force you to.... you know.

I actually thought that posting the link instead of the entire article wasn't such a ridiculous request... but the headline too? What the hell are they trying to protect in that? Over-reaching I think.

Is that why the Drudge Report posts headlines that have nothing to do with the actual article? I'm kidding... I know Matt has reasons that have nothing to do with copyright.

but the headline too?

That's interesting as book titles and movie titles do not fall under copyright. Hence my new tome will be titled: OzarkAggie's Nights with Starlets and International Models: A Tutorial.

You want a copyright you have to personalize it.

Free Republic is pretty steamed over this:

www.freerepublic.com

Free Republic is pretty steamed over this:

Steamed enuff to provide a link to Workbench no less.

To: All
More from Cadenhead here:

www.cadenhead.org

7 posted on Friday, June 20, 2008 2:44:05 PM by Jim Robinson


** Spud makes mental note to hisself to check out Workbench at some point today in order to check fer Freeper spore **

Anyone who quotes a word from that story will be traded to Daily Kos for a troll to be named later

From The Article: "...a..."

** Ha! Deth is "livin' dangerous" Spud! **

Be Well.

I'm curious Rcade, what would you consider "fair"?


"Anyone who quotes a word from that story will be traded to Daily Kos for a troll to be named later"

That's some funny mierda.

AP sucks.

8500 members??

why don't I see anyone over 2000 post anything??

The other 6500 have been raptured.

The other 6500 have been raptured

Actually the other 6500 are all Rogers' alter-egos.
That man makes Sybil look like a piker.

Be Well.

The AP wants to set its own standards for how bloggers can use its material. That seems fair enough until one realizes every news organization may want to set a different standard. How will bloggers keep them all straight?

Personally, I like to use the title and quote the first few paragraphs of an article I link to as an act of courtesy and not out of a desire to swipe copyrighted material. By providing a link to the original article, I figure I am giving credit where credit is due. I also figure most people will follow the link to read the rest of the article and to see just where the quoted information is coming from, in part to determine whether what I have quoted is from a legitimate source. That's what I do when someone posts a quote and a link.

Maybe the folks at the AP don't have a clear understanding of how the blog world works. Do they realize, for example, that putting something in italics or blockquotes is the equivalent of using quotation marks?

I'm curious Rcade, what would you consider "fair"?

I consider it fair use when a user on a site like this reproduces a news story's headline and one to three sentences of the story. Particularly if the user makes some editorial judgments like chopping off some of the unneeded words, including a newsmaker's quote or adding a link to related information.

I'm not surprised Associated Press calls the issue "Hot News Misappropriation," because it would be next to impossible to claim "harm" from copyright infringement by someone quoting selectively and linking to already-published articles.

But while it's a stronger claim, "Hot News Misappropriation" could be very difficult to prove in the case of selective quoting and linking. This concept applies most strongly "before" news hits the public realm, or at least simultaneously with publication. That's when the news has the most value, because stealing it at that point CAN cause harm. Imagine stealing a reporter's story and printing it before it hits the press. Or linking to it in the seconds and minutes (not hours) after the story is distributed by AP. That's Hot News Misappropriation, as has already been defined in the courts.

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