An absolutely wonderful group. Headed by a UCC (Barack's church) minister who priorities are on straight, maybe doing the lions share of First Amendment work these days. States have no business using public funds to proseletyze on license plates. herm

"I believe" what, exactly?

I believe I'll have another...Beer!

Zed,

The article states that the plate:

"would include a cross superimposed on a stained glass window"

Pretty clear cut I think.

HERM-
Do you agree with Barry Lynn's comment in the article: "Lynn said his group would not have opposed the "I Believe" plates had they been advocated by private groups. State law allows private groups to create specialty plates as long as they first collect either a $4,000 deposit or 400 prepaid orders."

OOHRAH:

Do you agree if one person is allowed to have an "I BELIEVE" plate with a picture of a cross and stained glass widow, that another should be able to have an I DON'T BELIEVE plate with a red slash imposed over a cross, or better yet, an "I BELIEVE" plate with a picture of the Devil, or a Pentagram on it?

I see nothing wrong with a specialty plate promoting religion as long as it remains just that a specialty plate. If the state wanted the regular generic plates to have a religious connotation that would be a problem.

There's nothing stopping the Buddhists, Jews, Moslems, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, Rastafarians, Taoists, Jainists, Wiccans, Zoroastrians, Pagans, Humanists, Sikhs, Animists, Confucianists or any other religious group from getting their own plates.

let them have their own "i don't believe" plates and nobody will bother them about it.

HERM-
You didn't address my question to you regarding whether you agree with Barry Lynn's opinion.

Personally, I think all states should have 100% uniform plates like the did years ago. No specialty plates for any states. License plates should be readily identifiable as to which state it is and must be easily read.

To address your question, yes... if states MUST have specialty plates, then allow those which aren't vulgar/pornographic, etc. This includes the devil or other symbols. Now, care to address my question?

Why are there so many ass-holes in this country?

"Why are there so many ass-holes in this country?"

Posted by Sniper

Help the statistics.
Kill yourself.

Who gives a flying fuck what someone's personalized license plate has on it. Isn't that why they call them PERSONALIZED PLATES. What ignoramouses.

Larry Mohr

First Amendment work...

...says our resident geriatric Commie fuck and poster boy for examples of ignorance conquering age...

...in a thread heralding such "work" as it pertains to banning a form of personal expression.

Speaking of state mottos and bitter old people on the DR who seek comfort in the alienation that comes with silly fucking ideologies whose purpose is solely to evoke a reaction from the bourgeois norms---I thought of a good one the other day:

Missouri: In Relentless Pursuit of Erection

Want to personalize your government issued plate, why not just get a bumper sticker instead? End of problem.

I believe in dark beer. Beer is good!

Help the statistics.
Kill yourself.

Posted by Zatoichi

Maybe I should come after you and score a big one.

"bitter old people on the DR"

I'll take bitter old people over young fascists any day, Curbstomper.

score a big one.

Posted by Sniper


What're you trying to tell us?

I actually agree with Oorah. A license plate should be plain and easy to read so a cop can tell what state it's from at a glance.

That being said, if Christians are so sure they're right, why are they always trying so hard to convince others and shove it down our throats?

That being said, if Christians are so sure they're right, why are they always trying so hard to convince others and shove it down our throats?

Except a license plate proclaiming "I Believe" can't really be construed as "I'm Right".

It's just a statement of fact.

"I believe".

You may not "Believe", and that's fine.

But quit trying to misrepresent one's simple exhbition of faith as something being shoved down your throat.

I can assure you I give about as much of a shit about your Atheism as you do about my Christianity.

Except one of us is in the mainstream of 2,000 years of Western Civilization and the religious-based premises that serve as the foundation for the basis of this country.

The other one of us is a self-alienated douche who spends his life in perpetual vigilance for new and exciting ways to be pissed off about something.

But a Methodist pastor who joined the lawsuit, the retired Rev. Thomas Summers of Columbia, said the plate provokes discrimination.

"I think this license plate really is divisive and creates the type of religious discord I've devoted my life to healing," he said.

Another of the ministers, the Rev. Robert Knight of Charleston, said the plates cheapen the Christian message.


I 100% agree with these pastors.

I 100% agree with these pastors.

Well I 100% disagree with these pastors--and, therefore, you.

I think someone needs to do some "First Amendment Work" (per Herm) and shut you up.

"I Believe in a White Bread God!"


Hey this is a traditional Southern State so why don't they also print,along with their shallow,sanctimonious belief in a white god that "I Believe Blacks are Inferior" on their licence plates!

Anyone who pays extra to the state for a specialty plate is a moron. Coming from Illinois, the land with "no tax increases.......just a ton of fee increases" under Blago.

Since the federal government is not involved in states' plates the supposed 'separation' does not apply. If someone does not want one of these plates they are not forced to get them - problem solved.

This is where I believe this group will lose. It's not a governmental agency demanding nor promoting a certain religion over another nor is it promoting religion period. It is allowing individuals the ability to profess their faith upon a vanity plate. It's no different than a University plate Military plate etc etc etc. They should lose this case.

Larry Mohr

So would it be okay for me to drive around with a license plate which said, "I wish Dick Cheney were dead"? Probably not. Clearly there are lines which cannot be crossed even for purposes of free speech.

And MSGT, you ignoramus, "separation" does apply even to State action. Learn some law before making stupid assertions.

I can assure you I give about as much of a shit about your Atheism as you do about my Christianity.

....

The other one of us is a self-alienated douche who spends his life in perpetual vigilance for new and exciting ways to be pissed off about something.

Posted by Pinche_Mao


Just what brand of christianity is that?


Southern Baptist?

Just what brand of christianity is that?

Our Lady of Chivo de Lajitas Tomas Mucho Sotol

But seriously, shut the fuck up.

Especially if your only "point" relies on illustrating inconsistencies between what one says and your adorable little concepts regarding what a Christian should or shouln't say.

It was a rhetorical representation, dumbass.

Address the point.

"But quit trying to misrepresent one's simple exhbition of faith "

Why do people feel they need to wear their religion on their sleeve? Why does it seem that evangelical Christians are in a competition to "out faith" one another?

These license plates and any other single action don't in and of themselves annoy the hell out of me. It's the general trend of almost every "born again" Christian being an overzealous annoying ass self rightous sanctimonious prick inserting their faith into anything and everything and then claiming "persecution" when that insertion of PERSONAL faith meets resistance by those who don't feel the need to espouse their religion on every person they meet that annoys the hell out of me.

We get it. Jesus is your Lord and Saviour. Can y'all just shut up now and stop trying to act more pious than the next?

How about this? All christians are REQUIRED to have this plate on their car.

illustrating inconsistencies between what one says

and what "one" would have us believe to be true about himself, huh Pinch?

Rasta

I like it.

How about the Minnesota vanity plates? One deer has his (or her) nose so far up the other's ass you'd think they were first cousin's from West Virginia.

In reality, who cares about meaningless issues such as vanity plates? Isn't that what the illiterati from the Drudge has been screaming all along?

Oops. Forgot. Religion is involved. Time to attack...

Unbelievably, here in Illinois, you can get a Notre Dame license plate.

Now that's stupid.

It's just a shrewd business decision by the state. they're not giving the plates away for free and I'm sure there's a market there for that kind of crap. I'm sure if they got -- "Allah Akbhar", "Love Some Cows", and "Lovin Moses" plates too nobody would give a shit.

"Hey this is a traditional Southern State so why don't they also print,along with their shallow,sanctimonious belief in a white god that "I Believe Blacks are Inferior" on their licence plates!"

isn't that what the confederate flag sticker on the back window is for?

You know what's REALLY stupid??? Worrying about what someone elses license plate says. Now THAT is real stupid.

Larry Mohr

Florida has a "Support Soccer" license plate but don't have any other sport.

Those discriminating punks.

We've had this thread before, but I think it was Florida then.

Who cares? If you don't want that on your plate, don't buy it. The state is not forcing you to own one.

And if that freaks you out, don't touch money. I think every coin and piece of paper currency has the word "god" on it. Why aren't people bitching about that? Unlike the car tags, we have no optional currency.

Get a grip. It's a non-issue

Florida has a "Support Soccer" license plate but don't have any other sport.

Those discriminating punks.

THey also have manatees. I want to know why the fuck a Floridian can't get an okapi tag.

Get a grip. It's a non-issue

Posted by goatman at 2008-06-19 11:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Agreed. Now if these religious license plate people want to impress anyone...

They could have a message that says "I emulate jesus" instead of "I believe"

Anyone can believe anything. It's action that counts.

Better yet, how about folks get a hobby or do some good instead of dicking around with their plates? Waste of time!

Anyone driving around with an "I emulate Jesus" plate is likely to get run off the road by a "pro-life" marine's pickup truck bearing a gun nut bumper sticker. herm

Anyone driving around with an "I emulate Jesus" plate is likely to get run off the road by a "pro-life" marine's pickup truck bearing a gun nut bumper sticker. herm

I've been harassed in the deep south for my Darwin fish sticker. It's been taken off my truck 4 times. I stopped replacing it.

Fuck the plates. What I want banned is the dealership and My Other Car Is... frames that, depending on the individual state design, obscure some of the information contained on them. In some cases, you can't even tell in what state the plate was issued, but you have no trouble seeing what dealership they bought the vehicle at.

I really don't care what people desire to put on their plates, but my concern is that it opens the lid on the church/state debate. What can you say with a plate issued by your individual state that can't be stated more eloquently with a bazillion bumper stickers? Why do you require the state to promote your specific belief over your neighbors? Just asking.

For the record I have those Vanity Plates on My vehicle. I think they are neat Myself. That being said there are drawbacks too. Especially if You like to drive fast down the highway. Think about it. It's a whole lot easier for some motorist to turn someone in that has Vanity Plates compared to those that have the randomly selected License Plates.

Larry Mohr

Why do people feel they need to wear their religion on their sleeve?

I dunno.

For the same reason people feel the need to wear their "enlightened" Secularism on their sleeve?

Why does it seem that evangelical Christians are in a competition to "out faith" one another?

I dunno.

For the same reason the cube-dwelling, Jon Stewart crowd are out to "out-hyperationalize" one another in an attempt to demonstrate that their particular, personalized interpretation of any 19th century Continental European philosophy is the most equitable way to engineer the lives of the human maggots who don't "get it".

These license plates and any other single action don't in and of themselves annoy the hell out of me.

And it's not the mass of bumper stickers per se on the back of the 1977 Volvo that annoy the hell out of me.

It's the general trend of almost every "born again" Christian being an overzealous annoying ass self rightous sanctimonious prick and then claiming "persecution" when that insertion of PERSONAL faith meets resistance by those who don't feel the need to espouse their religion on every person they meet that annoys the hell out of me

Likewise, its the general trend of almost every "secular humanist" or "agnostic" being an overzealous, annoying ass and self-righteous, sanctimonious prick by inserting his ideology into anything and everything related to public policy---and then claiming "theocracy" when that insertion of CHILD-LIKE "belief" meets resistance by normal fucking people that annoys the hell out of me.

We get it. Jesus is your Lord and Saviour.

We get it. Bush Lied and Thousands Died.

Can y'all just shut up now and stop trying to act more pious than the next?

That's a good question.

I've been harassed in the deep south for my Darwin fish sticker. It's been taken off my truck 4 times. I stopped replacing it.

Posted by goatman at 2008-06-20 12:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's ridiculous. Who the hell has the time or the childish inclination to harass someone else over a bumper sticker/license plate?

Did anyone damage your car?

That's ridiculous. Who the hell has the time or the childish inclination to harass someone else over a bumper sticker/license plate?

Did anyone damage your car?

Dude.

Seriously.

Some of the shit you post actually exudes a thong-crotch scent.

Don't be an "AmericanUnity".

Did anyone damage your car?

Were you gasping and batting your widened little eyes when you typed that line?

Pinche- I was attempting to have a conversation with the NON asshole from texas, not THE asshole from texas.

Sorry you're bored and tried to bait me...but I'm not in the mood for your BS.

Dude.

Seriously.

Piss off.

Sorry you're bored and tried to bait me...

Seems like you're the one that's constantly and consistently drawn into the threads I post in.

I'm a lamp and you're a moth.

Ever notice that?

Of course you do---what a stupid question.

I hadn't posted anything to you at all, pinche.
Didn't even know you were here.

Like.

Dude.

Seriously.

LOL. What are you, 20?

LOL.

17

We look up and aspire to wit that creates gems like this:

Rob likes being drilled in the backyard.

LOL.

It's all of being 17, I guess.

Lay off the amphetamines.

Actually, Hugo "Hurley" Reyes-Spud, "belief" in the ideas of dipshits like yourself regarding how human beings should live tend to kill real children.

www.annefrank.dk

Congratulations

Because wanting to have a frank discussion on the realities of human over-population on the enviroment is somehow akin to being a Nazi hunting down Ann Frank presumably?

Congratulations Pince-Nez.

Yer like the Streeeeetch Armstrong of blogworld with that.

Now feel free to tell us who the U.N. should or shouldn't let reproduce and start families--in the name of "population control", of course.

Anyone should be able to reproduce themselves. Thus any couple can have a couple of kids and Zero Population Growth is achieved.

It's the rich muslim fuckers with their four wives and fifty kids who are the biggest offenders as T&C has already pointed out. Non cafeteria Catholics from Mexico and S and C America are also in the running. China coulda walked off with the race run but they have worked to control their population because they have already learned about the outer edges of over-population curve the hard way.

Be Well.

/On Topic?

"I Believe" License plates?

Who'da thunk there were that many X-files fans in South Carolina.

I can see their point.

If the SC state government is going to offer plates allowing Christians to express their beliefs, then it is only fair that plates should be offered for other religions.

Governments should simply stay clear of that sort of thing.

Put a bumper sticker on your car already, or go the route of getting a private tag with 400 prepaid orders.

Because wanting to have a frank discussion on the realities of human over-population on the enviroment is somehow akin to being a Nazi hunting down Ann Frank presumably?


Not really. I wouldn't call you a Nazi.

But I don't recall you ever answering my question and possibly Pinche's as well.

Who decides who is allowed to have children?

How do you ensure that people aren't having kids when they aren't allowed to? Forced Sterilization? Forced Contraception?

If someone breaks the "law", what do you do? Throw them in jail? Fine them? Kill the kid? Or maybe we could do it Ender's Game style and the "third" doesn't have any rights.

I've asked these questions of you before when you said something dumb concerning population control. You seem to have all the solutions, but you don't want to answer how to get there. You claim to be a liberal and all about personal freedoms, but you're perfectly willing to invade a person's bedroom and reproductive organs to suit your fancy.



Who'da thunk there were that many X-files fans in South Carolina.


That would be: "I want to believe"

Big Difference.

New X-Files movie trailers on Apple.com/trailers

Why are there so many ass-holes in this country?

Posted by Sniper


Blame your mother.

I've been harassed in the deep south for my Darwin fish sticker. It's been taken off my truck 4 times. I stopped replacing it.

Posted by goatman

There are way too many assholes that have no respect for private property in the name of whatever cult compels them to act.

It's the general trend of almost every "born again" Christian being an overzealous annoying ass self rightous sanctimonious prick inserting their faith into anything and everything

My first job out of college was for a company owned by Jewish owners. They merged with another company and one of the employees that came over was a born again, constantly badgering other employees to come to his church, placing born again literature in peoples mailbox. JC he was unrelenting.

He was spoken to about toning it down, but the message did not get through his thick head. I still remember how he did not understand exactly why he was fired. Nice guy, but dumb as a sack of hammers.

I wonder if the cult ever explained to him that he is useless to them without a job to tithe his earnings over?

726 where I work we had one just like you describe and just like yours he was warned and didn't take heed, finally getting himself fired. As he left the building most of the other employees laughed at him because he had been so obnoxious. Have to say, I had no sympathy for him. Our work place is a better place without him in it.

States pay nothing for plates goofballs, you pay for them.

why don't these fuck tards just buy a sticker.

**** Why are there so many ass-holes in this country?

Posted by Sniper *****

.......your parents were allowed to breed......

......when two people have cranial circumferences measuring a lesser sum than two tennis balls......

.......then they should be required to marry outside the family........even in South Carolina....

Why do some Christians feel the need to display their religious beliefs on their cars??? It always makes me laugh when one of these relgious zealots with a fish on their car cuts me off in traffic. I have noticed one thing, their driving behavior is not improved by their religious beliefs.

States pay nothing for plates goofballs, you pay for them.

Posted by JMFJ at 2008-06-20 08:39 AM | Reply | Flag:


If you actually think that the measly fee that you pay for an auto tag comes close to covering the cost to the issuing state then pretty clearly you've OD'ed on the Bush Fiscal Conservative Theory.

As he left the building most of the other employees laughed at him because he had been so obnoxious

Danni, I really felt sorry for our guy. His wife just had their first baby and despite all his obnoxiousness of being a Jesus pusher he was an okay guy. I tried to warn him on a number of times to tone it down a bit, but like I said the cult had infected his commonsense.

Why do some Christians feel the need to display their religious beliefs on their cars???

I've often wondered the same thing. I must admit, when people first started to place Jesus fish on their cars, I thought it was a pretty creative, subtle, and interesting historical reference to early Christianity. Then they started to make them bigger and started writing "JESUS" inside of the fish; it turned a neat way of expressing religion into simply wearing it on one's sleeve.

Then again, I've never been one for bumper stickers or that kind of stuff. I also consider religion and spirituality a personal and family issue and think these kind of things cheapen religion. Also, with all the bad things in the world, I'm not sure if Jesus would really have liked being linked to very conspicuous consumption, with his likeness stuck to the back of a $40,000 truck, above a fake scrotum/balls on a hitch, and a sticker of Calvin urinating on another auto brand.

KATIE I think I was right behind that car the other day. Actually I think it was a Ford F-250 truck.

Fuck the plates. What I want banned is the dealership and My Other Car Is... frames that, depending on the individual state design, obscure some of the information contained on them. In some cases, you can't even tell in what state the plate was issued, but you have no trouble seeing what dealership they bought the vehicle at.

I used to work with a retired state trooper that said those frames, as well as anything that obstructs the license plate, were illegal. I never got a straight answer to why this was never enforced.

Recently, I've seen a lot of people who put very dark plastic over their license plates which make them nearly impossible to see. Does anyone know what these are for?

The most obnoxious thing I have ever seen are those balls hanging off a trailer hitch.

What kind of moronic redneck do you have to be to do something like that?

The other one of us is a self-alienated douche who spends his life in perpetual vigilance for new and exciting ways to be pissed off about something.
POSTED BY PINCHE_MAO

I feel sorry for you.

Lessons by lipzoidial

1) All religions try to impose order on the masses. This is their purpose.

2) you impose order by fear, guilt, shame and intimidation. but you tell the people that you are battling chaos.

3) Chaos is not the problem, order is the problem.

4) Embrace chaos and live life as the organic agent that it is.

5) embrace order and just exist (usually under the heel of the controllers).

6) no faction has ever been able to sustain order against the will of the masses.

7) it is now time for the new enlightenment.

8) Organized religion will be the first casualty because it stands against the growth and chaos of the human spirit.

"Why do some Christians feel the need to display their religious beliefs on their cars??? It always makes me laugh when one of these relgious zealots with a fish on their car..."

Posted by danni

Some rather intolerant diatribary there, Danni.

Why do sports fans feel the need to put their chosen team emblems on their vehicles?

Why do some people need to plaster the entire rear end of their vehicles with all manner of political commentary?

Why do you see some RVs covered with stickers from the places they have been?

Many people feel the need to express and display what they are, who they are, what is important to them.

Some folks take this display to beyond the ludicrous.

Like, so what?

Is your vehicle entirely devoid of anything that is you?

"Some rather intolerant diatribary there, Danni."

"Intolerant diatibary" to laugh when someone who displays this "Christian" symbol cuts me off in traffic???
I think that really the display of the symbol is expressing more intolerance than my laughing at them does.
It usually seems to me that those who feel the need to display religious symbols are usually the most intolerant folks around.

Interesting study:

. . .(Researchers at Colorado State University) found that those with a larger number of personalized items on their car were more likely to engage in road rage.

Furthermore, they said the content of the stickers didn't offer a clue to rage potentialonly the number of stickers.

Lately I've wanted to put a sticker on my Mini but haven't because where I work no one displays political views. I think I will go along with this voluntary company policy because it is good to keep the politics out of the office.

"It usually seems to me that those who feel the need to display religious symbols are usually the most intolerant folks around."

Posted by danni

Perhaps. But you don't want to be intolerant like them, do y'a? Seems there's far too much intolerance being displayed for really no good reasons. All one one to do is read some of the posts here, especially concerning gay rights issues.

"...it is good to keep the politics out of the office."

All depends on how you define "politics," D. A few years back I served on a grand jury and tried to tell colleagues that they committed to remain objective, but not to check their values at the door. This transcends the O'Bama sticker on your bumper, D. I suggest that you merely remain true to who you are. Even on the job. herm

Perhaps. But you don't want to be intolerant like them, do y'a? Seems there's far too much intolerance being displayed for really no good reasons.
Posted by ZOT

Is intolerance of (place your chosen issue here) on an equal par with intolerance of intolerance?

It usually seems to me that those who feel the need to display religious symbols are usually the most intolerant folks around.

Posted by danni

You have some proof of this rather broad statement? Seems to me liberals are usually the most intolerant folks around when it comes to accepting the religous beliefs of others. Conservatives are usually more intolerant of specific groups for sure - liberals are just intolerant of anyone who does not agree with their opinion - makes it easier on them.

ELCIDCE90,
to make a broad generalization liberals are intolerant of intolerance.

Conservatives are intolerant of anything new or different.

to make a broad generalization liberals are intolerant of intolerance.

Conservatives are intolerant of anything new or different.

Posted by bigjohn_1972

that was essentially my point from 11:36

and further, to condemn each equally would be to make a category error.

Rereading this thread has not all been a waste of time. The Goat had a Darwin fish on his vehicle! Stop the presses! I thought The Goat was a throwback to Neanderthals, and he turns out to be at least half mensch. Will wonders never? herm

Conservatives are intolerant of anything new or different.

Posted by bigjohn_1972

Just because they are new and different does not qualify them as better. What the hell did you think conservative means? Generally they should resist change more - otherwise they would be liberals. In a perfect world the libs would balance the cons and progress would move at an acceptable rate to both sides.

I will now go back to wishing for a pony.

The Goat had a Darwin fish on his vehicle

And the surprise here is what? In the year I've been posting here, I've always claimed to be an atheist and a firm believer in evolution and have never even hinted otherwise.

Missouri: In Relentless Pursuit of Erection
Posted by Pinche_Mao


Pinche, I prefer the more upbeat:

"MISSOURI LOVES COMPANY"

"... Put a bumper sticker on your car already, or go the route of getting a private tag with 400 prepaid orders.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2008-06-20 06:35 AM"

As Bill (and others have) noted, it's possible (maybe even CHEAPER) to express one's beliefs (religion, sports, politics, or whatever) without having a vanity plate. If one doesn't like using bumper stickers, then there are also license plate frames available.

HOWEVER, none of those alternatives would come with the implied sanction of the government. I guess THAT is why there IS a clamor after all.

How about a compromise? If you put one of these "I Believe" plates on, you have to remove all your Jesus-related bumper stickers...

Barry Lynn is an asshole, plain and simple.

I believe it will get dark tonight and I also believe it will be light in the morning. I believe in a lot of things.

repeat!!! Barry Lynn is a complete asshole.
end of story

"...I can assure you I give about as much of a shit about your Atheism as you do about my Christianity...."

Yes, except we don't go door to door polluting the world with our pamphlets about Invisible Sky Fairies in an attempt to suck in more ignorant Pinche Moas like you. Nor trying to re-write the laws and constitution to institute your 2000 year old schizophrenic religion's by-laws.

"...Except one of us is in the mainstream of 2,000 years of Western Civilization and the religious-based premises that serve as the foundation for the basis of this country...."

Where did you go to school? Bob Jones, where they teach that lie? For 2000 years of western civilization, the christians have Killed Millions with their righteous swords to ensure their religious supremacy...and forced ARTISTS and WRITERS to write their crap. Once the church lost it's power...(Thank Good!) Civilization has flourished.

In the past 200 years, the time of reason and rationality AWAY from religious blackmail has resulted in the greatest economical, technological and personal freedom boom the world has ever seen...without christians thank you very much.

The founders of this nation were not christian. You lie again. They were masons, or deists. See Presdient John Adams Treaty 0f Tripoli, the Peace and Freindship treaty where he proudly announces the US is NOT IN ANY WAY found on Christianity or it's principles. He should know, you see. He was there.

"...The other one of us is a self-alienated douche who spends his life in perpetual vigilance for new and exciting ways to be pissed off about something.."

Sounds like every Baptist I ever had the displeasure of meeting and their fight against the 'Gay Agenda'...BWAHAHAHAHA.

Hey Pinche:

World wide Christian Population: 1 billion.

World wide NON-Christian Population: 5 billion.

Now since you and your filthy sand-pounding ilk are CLEARLY in the Minority how about sitting down and shutting up!

"Rereading this thread has not all been a waste of time." - HERM

Having reread the thread, what is your answer to my question posed to you in my 6/19, 7:27pm post? Do you agree with Mr Lynn's stance that it would have been OK if a private group had requested the plates?

Get a grip. It's a non-issue

Posted by goatman at 2008-06-19 11:40 PM

Agreed

Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-06-20 12:07 AM

over a hundred posts about a NON issue...wonder why that is?

Because maybe it IS an issue!

Separation of Church and State is ingrained in our Federal and State Constitutions.

California's Constitution Article 1 section 4

Free exercise and enjoyment of religion without discrimination or preference are guaranteed. This liberty of conscience does not excuse acts that are licentious or inconsistent with the peace or safety of the State. The Legislature shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. A person is not incompetent to be a witness or juror because of his or her opinions on religious beliefs

Yes, except we don't go door to door polluting the world with our pamphlets about Invisible Sky Fairies in an attempt to suck in more ignorant Pinche Moas like you.

Of course you do. Except you pollute the world with your horsehit ideologies of Moral & Economic Determinism---not really giving a fuck how much human misery they cause so long as you can justify it under premises of socially engineering the human spirit into something you think it should be rather than what it is.

Nor trying to re-write the laws and constitution to institute your 2000 year old schizophrenic religion's by-laws.

Our Constitution is based on the Judeo-Christian concepts that built European society. The only person attempting to "re-write" it is the person who looks at it and some how construes there's a God-given imperative for the society it governs to grant unconditional acceptance to the idea that a couple of filthy fucking faggots (or any other class of degenerates for that matter) can be "married".

For 2000 years of western civilization, the christians have Killed Millions with their righteous swords to ensure their religious supremacy

They've also created the kinds of societies that make it possible for a person such as me to tolerate a person like yourself.

But fuck all that.

There's not a particularly long line between your contemporary and atrociously uninformed understanding of the role religion plays in society and the millions and millions of corpses created by various shit ideologies that attempted to replace God.

And that's within the last 80 years or so.

World wide Christian Population: 1 billion.

World wide NON-Christian Population: 5 billion.

I was talking about this country.

Angry, ignorant little dick-suckers who feed off their sense of alienation and blame "the Christians" for their miserable lives are in the minority anywhere.

Well-adjusted people who work hard, raise families, believe in God, and go to church are in the vast, vast majority in this country.

I suggest you get over it, Tinkerbell.

A little less uninformed nihilism and mouth-breathing bourgeois-bashing---and a little more Will & Grace will go along towards helping normal folks tolerate silly queer fuckers like you.

Now go wipe your chin.

Some revolting rightwing shitstain said this:

"grant unconditional acceptance to the idea that a couple of filthy fucking faggots (or any other class of degenerates for that matter) can be "married".

Don't you have a cow waiting for your "love," Curb stomper?

I Believe isn't the same as I Know!

On the other hand,in a democracy, shouldn't "heretics" be given an "I Don't Believe" license plate - if they actually wanted one that is!

Pinche,

"Well-adjusted people"

You don't exactly sound well-adjusted.

btw...why so much anger towards gays?

"You don't exactly sound well-adjusted."

Sounds more like a homophobic psycho.

Well-adjusted people

~PM'S

Please don't tell us you consider yerself a prime example here.

...or do.

(Spud could do with a chuckle)

Be Well.

Oh no...you have to talk in the third person to be truely well-adjusted.

Oh no...you have to talk in the third person to be truely well-adjusted

~BillJ

Well, you don't hafta but it sure do help some days.

I've asked these questions of you before when you said something dumb concerning population control. You seem to have all the solutions, but you don't want to answer how to get there. You claim to be a liberal and all about personal freedoms, but you're perfectly willing to invade a person's bedroom and reproductive organs to suit your fancy.

~Axiom.

Yeah, that does seem kinda counter intuitive don't it?

Here's the deal.

Spud is NOT for an over-bearing police state that sterilises at will but still recognises that people should be discouraged from having overly large families and to that end Spud supports sex education, legal access to contraceptives and abortion.

Tax breaks fer new parents but then after the first two yer on yer own and if you persist maybe fines.

That's it.

No forced abortions.

No families seperated traumatically.

'Kay?

Be Well.

Spud,

"fines"??

Spud,

"fines"??

Did say "maybe"

Also ...why the fark not?

Be Well.

Ooey, there's too much detail about Barry Lynn and the "private" plates that I don't know. so I cannot respond honestly. But as a faithful (?) reader of Church and State I have yet to find anything that I disgreee with the Rev. Barry about. herm

Tax breaks fer new parents but then after the first two yer on yer own and if you persist maybe fines.

(Cont'd)

In other words, kind of a Himmler-Lite.

Social Engineering and the ultimate realization of a truely equitable society can only be foist upon the the Stupid Masses in increments that are politically palatable.

Soon enough, the Peasants will begin to understand what is good for them.

Nevermind that birth rates tend to decline in porportion to the wealth of a given society.

We will continue to promulgate anti-natalist, anti-life, anti-economic growth public policy---and foist it upon any nation in any stage of economic development.

Ideology uber alles.

Achtung Juden, socio-economic context, and reality that proves inconvenient to Heaven on Earth.

You really are a soulless fuck.

The State fining people for having children.

That's what people do, cock.

That's what life is all about---and what we're put here by God to do.

In your weaker moments, your ridiculous Youth Hostel naivity offers an invaluable glimpse into the absolutely sickening mentality lurking bhind every trendy left-wing cliche.

"Social Engineering and the ultimate realization of a truely equitable society can only be foist upon the the Stupid Masses in increments that are politically palatable."


Social Engineering and the ultimate realization of a utopian, social-darwinist capitalist free market society can only be foist upon the the Stupid Masses in increments that are politically palatable.

Fixed that for you, Pinochet.


A deregulation bill here, a "free trade" bill there, add them all up, and you have Neoconservative Social Engineering, this time, on a global scale.

"That's what life is all about---and what we're put here by God to do."

By who?

That's what life is all about---and what we're put here by God to do

~Pinchaloaf

To over-populate the planet till we drown in a sea of our own shit?

God sed that?

Must be in the back of the Bible somewhere, eh?

Not addressing the issue of sustainability and over-population is the act of a moron and an coward.

Economic rewards fer the first two kids, nothing fer the next two and then fines fer the rest.

A progressive system.

Practically Pavlovian, in fact.

Be Well.

Why do people need "I Believe" licenses plate? Why not just put an "I Believe" bumper sticker on your car?

Except bartering for the value of goods and services is the economic system that most closely parallels the human condition---and has been since the dawn of time.

It's what creates the wealth that allows leeching pukes like yourself to vote for shitstains that "redistribute" it.

Neoconservative Social Engineering

"Neoconservatives" were Trotskyite kikes in matters of economics, and Wilsonian in matters of projecting American power abroad.

So I really don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about when you bandy that term "neoconservative" about.

And that pretty much precludes anything you have to say from being taken seriously.

At the risk of quoting from the AP:

Another of the ministers, the Rev. Robert Knight of Charleston, said the plates cheapen the Christian message.

"As an evangelical Christian, I don't think civil religion enhances the Christian religion. It compromises it," Knight said. "That's the fundamental irony. It's very shallow from a Christian standpoint."

I think the minister has a point. What kind of license plate would Jesus have? "Render unto Casear. . ."

"It's what creates the wealth that allows leeching pukes like yourself to vote for shitstains that "redistribute" it.
"

Pinochet is always good for a laugh. The only people redistributing wealth these days are corporate class warriors, of which you are apparently a faithful yes-sir-bend-over-how-far-sir servant.

To over-populate the planet till we drown in a sea of our own shit?

Except we're not really "over-populating" the planet.

We're relatively stable in growth right now---and will trend downwards as societies become more affluent.

Economic rewards fer the first two kids, nothing fer the next two and then fines fer the rest.

A progressive system.

That's not "progressive", its archaic, and is the antithesis of the very core concepts of human rights.

And that's not worth it to solve a "crisis" that really doesn't exist.

But it does show your true colors, and how truly sick and polluted you and your ilk are.

Kinda puts all the mouth-breathing and hand-wringing over dripping some water on the faces of a few Muslim barbarians in perspective, doesn't it?

The only people redistributing wealth these days are corporate class warriors

And our stalwart, leftist ass-clowns in Congress who want to nationalize our largest industry.

You might want to shed whatever prism causes you to reduce all of reality into anti-corporate hyperbole suitable for the left-wing blogosphere.

Don't sell yourself short.

"So I really don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about when you bandy that term "neoconservative" about."

What a moron. Is there what, some hidden secret society called the "neoconservatives"? Stupid fuck.

I think the minister has a point. What kind of license plate would Jesus have? "Render unto Casear. . ."


Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2008-06-21 12:57 AM | Reply

None cause You can't hang a license plate off of a Jackasses ass.

Larry

By who?

By God.

Like I said. By who?

Is there what, some hidden secret society called the "neoconservatives"?

No.

But there's a definition of the term and what it refers to.

And "Any icky, complex shit that leftists and left-wing bloggers don't like" isn't it.

Like I said.

By God.