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A Japanese company claims to have created a car that can run solely on water. Genepax's system employs a "membrane electrode assembly" that achieves hydrolysis using a chemical reaction. 80 KM on a liter of water? Yes it sounds too good to be true, but just think -- if it is true, it will transform a hillbilly pit stop into a fill up. Yeeehawww! Video.

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"if it is true"

Failed chemistry again?

Hey!
I have another crackpot perpetual motion machine right here!

Runs on bullshit.

"I have another crackpot perpetual motion machine right here!

Runs on bullshit."

You could sell it to Ray. He'd break open his gold stash for one of those.

Runs on bullshit.


Funny so does TIMBCI.

If we could harness the bullshit power of washington we could solve the worlds energy crisis.

The catch is, it takes more energy to break the hydrogen free than ever gets to the wheels.

But they are looking for investors.

Maybe this is the "magic alternative energy" that libs have their wet dreams about, but don't be surprised if you never hear about it again. Why you ask, because either it's not true or GM will buy it and put it on a shelf with their 100 mpg carburator, the alien space craft taken from area 51, and the video of Cheney parachuting out of an airplane on 9/11.

Fwthom, Cheney would never have been on that plane to begin with, there were "other priorities" to consider.

And, yeah, the "libs." Can we do a Fwthom version of Mad "Libs"? Just list any problem and write the word "lib"? Oh, wait, that's probably what you do here...

This car runs on water:

www.oldrhinebeck.org

Wouldn't the chemical reaction needed to break away the hydrogen negate the energy produced by combining the same hyrdrogen with air?

Okay, without getting too technical, explain it to this science DuMmY (me) --

How does this differ from a steam engine?
Doesn't a steam engine run on water (albeit hot) for power too?

Proceedings of the 2000 U.S. DOE Hydrogen Program Review

Lithium hydride has been prepared as a slurry with light
mineral oil and a dispersant and has been found to be stable for long periods of time at
atmospheric temperatures and pressures. We have demonstrated that the lithium hydride slurry
can be mixed with water to produce hydrogen on demand. Reactions between the lithium hydride
slurry and water take place rapidly and completely. The resulting lithium hydroxide can be
recycled either by electrolytic methods or by a carbo-thermal process. Experiments with the
carbo-thermal process indicate that the regeneration of lithium hydride can be accomplished at
temperatures of 1500K or less enabling the use of economically acceptable furnace materials. A
cost analysis of the regeneration process indicates that the process should be cost competitive
with hydrogen produced from natural gas and stored as a liquid or a highly compressed gas.
www.safehydrogen.com

LIVE_OR_DIE, it's all about thermodynamics:

First law of thermodynamics, about the conservation of energy: The change in the internal energy of a closed thermodynamic system is equal to the sum of the amount of heat energy supplied to the system and the work done on the system.

Second law of thermodynamics, about entropy: The total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system tends to increase over time, approaching a maximum value.

Maybe this is the "magic alternative energy" that libs have their wet dreams about,

Posted by fwthom at 2008-06-16 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag


Unlike you, who longs to be rubbed down with used 50 weight.

"Maybe this is the "magic alternative energy" that libs have their wet dreams about,"

Posted by fwthom

Didn't do well in Jr High chemistry, did you?

But --- if you are comparing one form of energy that is plentiful to one that is not.... you are not gaining anything only shifting the conversion from one form to another.

This is why you have so many people talking about over-unity or free, energy, they forget to factor in the power coming from the permanent magnets.

Stronger Future for Nuclear Power

Nuclear reactor builders are jostling for business as energy utilities take another look at nuclear power.
Physics Today, February 2006, page 19

ptonline.aip.org

" regeneration of lithium hydride can be accomplished at temperatures of 1500K "

Gotta put that energy in there somewhere.

Actualy, in america we don't need to do anything with our cars (except stop using 3000 lb cars to haul one person) since cars only use 20% of the oil we consume. Manufacturing using 80% and most of that is nitrate fertilizers that are poisioning our water supply and plactics that are poisioning our land.

Stop manufacturing products using petroleum should be our #1 concern. Cars second.

BFD. In high school I had a Pontiac Bonneville that ran on gravity

BFD. In high school I had a Pontiac Bonneville that ran on gravity

Posted by vernon at 2008-06-16 06:13 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

Translation: You had to push Your car uphill going to school then when school was out You stuck it in Nuetral and coasted home.

Larry

"In high school I had a Pontiac Bonneville that ran on gravity"

Posted by vernon

Downhill both ways.

Water is the ash from the oxidation of hydrogen, which releases heat, or, in a fuel cell, electricity.

Any process that claims to "run on water" must get the energy to separate the hydrogen and oxygen from somewhere.

"In high school I had a Pontiac Bonneville"

Figures.

I had, among others, a red '28 Ford five-window coupe with a 0.060"-over 283; Wheelies.

Did you see how small these cars were in the photo in the article? If you drove one of those on any of California's freeways you'd end up pancaked the first time you slammed on your brakes to avoid hitting a car ahead of you and had a tailgater on your rear.

If we could harness the bullshit power of washington we could solve the worlds energy crisis.

Posted by 726 at


well actually on rush today he read a news story about some guys who are already producing oil from bug dung.....or whatever he called it.......and he mentioned a picture that he had where the two guys were holding up a jar of crude oil from bug shit............or thereabouts....and of course the quesiton is......how will that SHIT be massproduced.......

Vernon lies through his dentures again. This was his high school hooptie: www.co.rice.mn.us

(That's actually a picture of his younger brother driving it.)

Not a big deal. Tata Motors is bringing out a car fueled by compressed air by the end of 2008. The MiniCat, which holds four passengers, will sell for about $7,000 US and be able to travel up to 125 miles on one fill up of air for a cost of about $3.00. MDI, the company who invented this engine, expects the US version of their cars that are being built by Zero Pollution Motors to be available by late 2009 or early 2010 and be able to travel 1,000 miles on a fill up at a top speed of about 96 MPH at a price of about $18,000 for the six passenger model. They are gearing up to build 10,000 cars a year initially.

So the hydrogen powered car is far from impressive since it will cost more than $18,000 because manufacturing costs are currently $18,500 not counting shipping from Japan and dealer profits and the costs will only increase since manufacturing isn't even on the horizon yet and it is an extremely small vehicle holding only two people.

In addition, compressed air is not a new technology since it was first invented 321 years ago by a Mr Papin of the Royal Society of London.
The first compressed air powered vehicle was built over 130 years ago when a streetcar was built that was powered by compressed air.
The first automobile was built in 1932 in Los Angeles and could travel 300 miles at up to 35 MPH.

Last but far from least, the "water car" would require that an air conditioning unit be added and so the car would have to generate extra wattage to drive the air conditioner. Compressed air vehicles actually create cold air as part of their output and thus have air conditioning as a byproduct of their operation. They would need a method to generate heat, since there is no internal combustion and thus no heat to draw from to warm the vehicle. In fact, an electric heat generator would not only heat the passengers, but if excess heat is applied to the compressed air prior to its being used by the engine, you would get MORE energy since warm air expands more. Thus, you would be able to travel using less compressed air than you would with cold air. This is where hybrid technology can make these cars even more efficient since capture of the heat generated by braking and other friction points could be recycled to pre-heat the air before using it and making the engine even more efficient.

Those fuckers at TaTa Motors bought Jaguar and LandRover. If that ain't sacreligious I don't know what is.

Larry Mohr

Not a big deal. Tata Motors is bringing out a car fueled by compressed air by the end of 2008. The MiniCat, which holds four passengers, will sell for about $7,000 US and be able to travel up to 125 miles on one fill up of air for a cost of about $3.00. MDI, the company who invented this engine, expects the US version of their cars that are being built by Zero Pollution Motors to be available by late 2009 or early 2010 and be able to travel 1,000 miles on a fill up at a top speed of about 96 MPH at a price of about $18,000 for the six passenger model. They are gearing up to build 10,000 cars a year initially.

A car that is able to run on compressed air is carrying around pressurized air tanks at speeds of fifty miles and hour. Can you imagine what an accident will look like when the tanks rupture.

PAX

"Can you imagine what an accident will look like when the tanks rupture."

Beats hydrogen (See: Hindenburg); Or a Pinto.

"Beats hydrogen (See: Hindenburg)"

Oh yes, that shuttle thing on that pitiful, stupid joke Raygunz' tour.

Read Feynman's book.

most of that is nitrate fertilizers that are poisioning our water supply and plactics that are poisioning our land.

Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-06-16 06:11 PM | Reply

Nitrate fertilizer is not made from petrleum, you stupid fuck. It's made from methane (natural gas).

Also, about 50% of petroleum is used for transportation. The rest is used for chemicals, plastic, pharmaceuticals, etc. Your plan to stop using oil-based products is a plan to live in 1809.

Let us know how that works out for you

" petrleum(sic), you stupid fuck "

This is why I come back here.

Pathetic, useless humor ...


Vernon lies through his .....

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-06-16 06:46 PM | Reply

Monty! You cranky old whore! Are you still stalking me?

How are those 14 children? Do any of your old Johns pay child support? Do you have an idea which kid came from which $15 fuck you gave? It probably all blurs together because of the crack and vodka.

I saw an old slut today and thought of you. Her flabby tits layed on her belly like two wind socks on a calm day.


"In high school I had a Pontiac Bonneville"

Figures.

Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-06-16 06:23 PM | Reply

Yes, it does figure. It was old and cheap. Maybe your parents could buy you a snazzy car at 16, but I was on my own

OMG Is MonteCore Female?? Lord I give up. This He She confusion is craziness.

Larry Mohr

This is why I come back here.

Pathetic, useless humor ...

Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-06-16 08:49 PM | Reply


Oooooooo ....... you found a typo. Make your dick feel bigger?


OMG Is MonteCore Female?? Lord I give up. This He She confusion is craziness.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-06-16 08:54 PM


Geeze, I hope I haven't created a state of massive paranoia around here. (grin)

...In high school I had a Pontiac Bonneville

Like this one?

1968 Pontiac Bonneville

"Make your dick feel bigger?"

Posted by vernon

Why?

It already wont fit a MAGNUM.

i179.photobucket.com

My wife took that picture after she bought me that hat.


Eat your tiny little useless, pathetic excuse for a heart out, Vern.

LM -- I used to own 200 shares of Tata Motors ("TTM"). (Btw, The Tata family has a long and proud heritage dating to the 1870s on the modernization, industrialization and independence of India.)

I bought 200 shares in 2006 for $17/share, and sold them in 2008 for $14/share. At that rate TTM's no boogeyman. It is, however, a smart and innovative company that is a bit over-stretched as it digests two relatively high-priced market segments. In about a year and a half, after the market adjusts for share dilution as TTM raises the capital to pay off a substantial portion of the acquisition costs, TTM will be a good value again. For the time being however, it's a risky, highly leveraged bet.

Lithum-hydride is stored at ambient temp and pressure....its possible to make the system work without any compressed hydrogen. Which saves weight and increases mileage.

Finally the company has stated

"But compared with the existing method, the new process is expected to produce hydrogen from water for longer time, the company said."

Which means that some core must be "reformulated/recharged". No where does it mention perpetual motion machine.

It seems perfectly plausible they have created a system that may work. users adding water at certain times, and given some "timeframe" turning in thier "lithium" boxes for recycling, and buying a new one.

The title of this thread is incorret, which isn't new for the DR, but this or something like it has "legs".

TownNCountry Tata motors might be the greatest thing since sliced bread but to Me it is sacreligious for a British car company being owned by foreigners. The same was true when Ford bought them up. The same goes for an American company being owned by foreigners.

Larry Mohr

Give me hydrogen.

Or give me Bourbon.

So far the imbecility reminds me of fertilizer.

All of you, including our host, have no clue.

The Founders did, but they're long dead.

No matter what sorts of promising alternative energy options others come across, the US will downplay them because we're owned by greedy big oil fuckwads. The pursuit of profits does not guarantee our best interests. That shit they teach in Econ 101 is bull.

Big deal. When I was a kid, I had a submarine that ran on baking soda. Also, it was free (with purchase of Cookie Crisp).

Maybe they could build that 1500 degree Kelvin furnace in ZATOICHI's house. Stoke it with some green energy.

Terrific, overlooked TV movie.

www.imdb.com

William Macy at his heart-wrenching best, and food for thought ala Cheney's secret energy soiree.

Seems like Zatoichi will have fit if water cars become the next generation of vehicles:>)

The Slingshot

An estimated 1.1 billion people in the world (20% of every person on the planet) go to sleep every night without clean water to bathe in or drink. The water they do have is tainted. One point one billion, with a "b."

"Eighty percent of all the diseases you could name would be wiped out if you just gave people clean water," says Kamen. "The water purifier makes 1,000 liters of clean water a day, and we don't care what goes into it. And the power generator makes a kilowatt off of anything that burns."


The Slingshot's advanced Stirling Engine can run on any combustible product, propane or ...even cow dung (Wired)


The Stirling Engine, which is still considered a mystery to most engineers, can generate 1 kilowatt, or enough electricity to light 70 efficiency light bulbs according to Wired, and can be used as an electrical generator producing 200 watts of electricity and 800 watts of waste heat (TED)


The Slingshot weighs less than 60 pounds (TED) and is smaller than a portable washing machine (Wired)


The Slingshot uses vapor compression distillation to completely remove pure water from any "wet substance" (Wired) using just 2% of the power of anything that is currently in production


The Slingshot can produce 1,000 liters of fresh water per day


The heat from the purified water is recovered with a "counter-flow heat exchange" process and recycled to the next batch of water (TED)


There are no filters on the Slingshot to replace, no carbon filtration system, no fluoride or chlorine necessary, and no ion extraction process is utilized (Wired)


The Slingshot can use any water source available, safely: the ocean, bio-hazardous water sources, lakes, chemical waste dumps, removing everything from arsenic, hexavalent chrome, poison, heavy metals, etc.


The Slingshot is one of those once-in-a-lifetime inventions that truly can save the world. It takes any contaminated source of water, even pure raw sewage, and blasts the water out of the source by vaporizing it, extracting it, and storing it. The contents that have been extracted from the water is deposited in a separate bin and can even be used as a combustible to power the engine!

My favorite quote of Kamen's is the following, "Not required are engineers, pipelines, epidemiologists, or microbiologists. You don't need any -ologists. You don't need any building permits, bribery, or bur ... ucracies." Sounds like my kinda guy...

Kamen says that the prototype device is hand-machined at a cost of $100,000 - however, his goal is through mass production to lower the cost to $1,000 per unit.

justgetthere.us

Wow, what an amazing machine! Clean water AND power source too.

Hope this guy wins the Nobel

BTW, those "bugs" that Rush was talking about are really a modified form of yeast that excretes petroleum rather than alcohol. Naturally they feed on sugar, but cellulose can also be used since it is two sugar molecules bound together. The problem is the amount of space required for the vats.

There's another guy who uses microwaves to reclaim tires and plastic.

The award was made in recognition of Global Resource Corp.'s patent- pending microwave process that can dispose of old tires and at the same time reclaim oil and other petroleum products, which then can be used to produce energy.

The award was announced at the Tire Technology Expo held for tire industry executives in Cologne, Germany. A panel of 15 experts from international companies, universities and major automotive companies chose the winners.
www.techweb.com

One question is the quality of the oil, whether it can be refined or even used directly. Even if it's low grade it can be used for plastics or even asphalt.

This stuff - real technology - is out there if you want to look for it.

"Hope this guy wins the Nobel"

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

And that will happen right after you and Bluffaloooo BaNi ever pass 3rd grade chemistry.


imbeciles

Go back to bed and try to wake up in a less grouchy mood.

I never took chemistry, but I have one of these. They give them to all kinds of 'imbeciles'.

s305.photobucket.com">I keep this in a drawer

"I never took chemistry"

I would have never guessed.

wow

mensa

I'm so unimpressed.

You never studied chemistry.
Deal with it.

Bet you don't have one of these on your wall, mensa boy.

i179.photobucket.com

You're really being an asshole

Deal with it

You'd better go back to bed and get out on the other side of it.

Shall I call you, 'The Oracle of Knowledge'?

You've personally seen this machine and tested it - proving it's utter bullshit?

Heat + evaporation = steam = clean water

Ever heard of 'boiling water"? Guess I'm a dumbshit, but I think Iheard somewhere that's how you purify water.

I think they taught us that in 2nd grade. Maybe 1st grade.

But, then again, according to you I'm an imbecile.

Goodnight. Thought you were a nicer person than that

Zatoichi, I know you like to pretend you are smart but its pretty obvious that you are not.

Stan Meyer invented and patented a process to split water into HHO and its requires far less energy to split it than the energy available by the gas that is produced.

Get your snobby nose out of your ass and try reading sometime.

Here's a link so you won't get all flustered.


www.youtube.com


Bee Swell

CRACKPIPE

Those videos were very interesting. Thanks for posting them.

They burned and threatened to burn people at the stake in Italy for claiming the Earth revolved around the sun. Scientists for centuries have discounted new inventions and discoveries as 'impossible' - many of them we take for granted today.

The biggest problem we face are those scientists who hold their noses in the air and pretentiously say 'I won't work'. Some call it, "contempt prior to investigation'.

Good thing there are ordinary folks like you and I who are dumb enough to keep open minds.

Have a good one. I enjoyed the videos. Thanks.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but don't nuclear power plant generate lots and lots of excess heat? Beyond what is needed to boils the water and turn the turbine? Could this not be put to other uses like getting that 1500k discussed earlier. Or for compressed air and the like?

"Hope this guy wins the Nobel"

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

And that will happen right after you and Bluffaloooo BaNi ever pass 3rd grade chemistry.


imbeciles

Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-06-17 04:57 AM


Are you saying the slingshot doesn't exist, or doesn't work?

money.cnn.com

The same guy who made the Segway made this water purifier. You really are a grumpy old man! lol

Kamen also invented (the first?) artificial heart, and a wheelchair that climbs stairs and also its user to be at eye level. He's (maybe) almost as smart as Zat!

SalaryMan,

Good observation...
2/3rds of a power plants heat is lost as waste...

"Assessment of Nuclear-Hydrogen
Synergies with Renewable Energy
Systems and Coal Liquefaction
Processes"
www.ornl.gov

Grendel.

Accidents are not a problem for the compressed air powered auto. Unlike the old days, they don't use metal in the storage tanks. As they say in the movie that explains the structure of the vehicle, using metal tanks would create shrapnel everywhere. Instead they use space age fiber tanks. In an accident, the tanks "tear" and the air leaks away. Plus, they are mounted between the frame rails of the body to protect them from tearing. They are mounted below the passenger compartment, giving the passenger compartment further insolation from road noise and cold coming from the floorboards, unlike current cars.
Environmentally, the output is air that is cleaner than the air that goes into the car since it is filtered before injection into the engine. What comes out is air that is cooler and cleaner than what went in.

You can see this car operating and explanation of how it works in this Youtube video:
www.youtube.com

Oops,
I forgot to mention that there is an Australian man who has also invented a different kind of air powered engine. He works in a fresh foods warehouse and they use a lot of natural gas powered lifts and carts in there. The air gets quite polluted by these engines.
He came up with a pistonless engine. It is rotary in style with the crankshaft driven by the rotary engine as compressed air injects into the compartments created by the lobs of the "piston".
The thing is that this engine only weighs about 28 pounds. He has already developed a second generation engine that weights about 13 pounds.

You can see his story here:
www.youtube.com

Another has built a Go-Kart that is compressed air powered.

With these smaller engines you can expect to see outboard motors for boats, lawnmowers, weed-eaters, golf carts, and various other smaller gasoline powered items making the switch once they become established as reliable and people have compressors in their garages so they don't have to run out to get their air tanks recharged at local facilities.

I know that it is now even painful to fetch gasoline for my lawnmower and weed eater when a can of fuel is costing me almost nine bucks.
I can't even imagine what it costs my next door neighbor with his riding mower but I have noticed that he mows his lawn about half as often as he did last year despite the monsoon rains we have been getting the past couple of months!

If the air 'leaks away' and the tank's full mind you, even with a fiber tank it's still essentially a rocket, so it could lift the car off the road, or push debris inside the vehicle and or surrounding vehicles. Could still be bad news.

"Could still be bad news."

Posted by bigjohn_1972

No worse than a Pinto.
www.youtube.com

Or a Crown Vic.

www.youtube.com

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