Not a very pretty story.

"In 1979 while still married to Carol he met Cindy at a cocktail party in Hawaii. Over the next six months he pursued her, flying around the country to see her. Then he began to push to end his marriage.

Carol and her children were devastated. It was a complete surprise,' says Nancy Reynolds, a former Reagan aide.

They never displayed any difficulties between themselves. I know the Reagans were quite shocked because they loved and respected both Carol and John.'

Another friend added: Carol didn't fight him. She felt her infirmity made her an impediment to him. She justified his actions because of all he had gone through. She used to say, "He just wants to make up for lost time.'"

A Republican that ditched his wife to marry a whore. How typical.

This is a story the Rtards want to bury. They probably won't even comment on this thread, hoping it will stay on the back page.

When Carol was discharged from hospital after six months of life-saving surgery, the prognosis was bleak. In order to save her legs, surgeons
had been forced to cut away huge sections of shattered bone, taking with it her tall, willowy figure. She was confined to a wheelchair and was forced to use a catheter....


I guess Johnny forgot:

"I take thee, as my lawfully wedded wife, in sickness and in health...."

And now for some music...

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Posted by nullifidian at 2008-06-08 07:41 PM

Ol' Johnny has taken "Barbara Ann" to a whole new level, hasn't he.

And now for some music...

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No how many times I see it, I can't help but to hang my head in shame at what the Republicans, especially one I used to be a big fan of, have become.

...how McCain divorced her in 1980 and married Cindy, 18 years his junior and the heir to an Arizona brewing fortune, just one month later.

Is it officially time to unwrap them old "John Kerry, Goldigger" jokes yet and reverse the meme?

Too soon?

Okay. Spud can wait.

Here's the deal.

The woman John McCain promised to stick to in sickness and in health did not want to demoralise John while he was a POW and never even told him of her infirmity.

When John got back he took one look and decided he was gonna, as Mrs McCain herself sez...

"make up for lost time."

Kicked her to the curb pretty quick did John but not too quick it seems.

Fer a while, it is alleged, he set up a bachelor pad seperate from his home and basically had freakin' orgies with strippers ('Marie the Florida Flamethrower' -google it) and whores which he became kinda infamous fer. All while still married to Mrs McCain number one. Meanwhile the mother of his kids stood by her man and tried her level best to understand his action hence that awful rationalisation which she still clings to.

He then pursued and married the Beer Heiress/ prescription drug abuser/ thief/ plastic surgery disaster otherwise known as Cindy McCain.

Much like the Bush marriage the marriage of the McCains (v2.0) is a loveless sham.

Since John bailed Cindy out of her prescription drug theft charges they've become increasingly estranged. In one of John's legendary fits of temper he called Cindy a "trollop" and a "cunt" back in '92 according to some journos who were there.

The "Maverick" image is a farce, a facade that hides an angry, rude, petty, badly aging, crazy, flip flopping fool who's a tool of the worst elements in the GOP.

The "Top Gun" image?

He was also a shit pilot who crashed 5 jets before capitulating before his Vietnamese captors (who he still refers to as "Gooks" btw).

He's pro Iraq War, pro making the Bush Tax cuts to the wealthiest permanent, and an asskisser to the wingnuts of the religious right.

He's also older than dirt.

How the fuck can anybody look at that wreck and see Presidential timber?

Spud just sees a weasally, two faced, conniving, "say anything" typa machine pol who's too old, too flawed, and waaaaay too wrong about everything to be given that kinda power.

08ama '08.

Be Well.

Is it officially time to unwrap them old "John Kerry, Goldigger" jokes yet and reverse the meme?

Too soon?

Okay. Spud can wait.

No need to wait, Tater. We'll need all the ammo we can get. CNN just now said Obama and McCain are only a couple percentage points apart. Why that is I don't know since Bush's approval ratings are the lowest right now of any President in history.

You would think McCain -- who will be serving Bush's third term as far as policy goes -- would be much lower. I don't understand why they are now just about even. Maybe after a few debates against McCain Obama will rise higher in the polls.

I can't help but to hang my head in shame at what the Republicans, especially one I used to be a big fan of, have become.

-- Axiom

Don't feel bad. You're not alone. My values run fairly conservative but I had to drop out of the Republican party (did so around 2003 or so) after I'd seen what it had become under the free trading, Neocon-controlled globalists who have taken over my former party and destroyed it. I'm now registered as an independent on the voter rolls.

CNN just now said Obama and McCain are only a couple percentage points apart. Why that is I don't know since Bush's approval ratings are the lowest right now of any President in history.

Why that is?

Is good question with a very long and involved answer.

Short and sweet it has to do with the fact that the American political system has become through a deliberate evolution (or devolution) a non-representative duopoly.

The gerrymandering of districts and the careful doling out of scoops and scandals on the corporate MSM works to maintain wot Spud has taken to calling the "51/49% solution".

It's easier to tip over a boulder balanced on it's end than it is to move one that's lying flat on it's side.

What we call "gridlock" these folks call "leverage".

Which is too say that it behooves the powers-that-be in their attempts to influence the political system to have approximately half the country at the other half's throats and vice versa.

Which is wot they have done in the case of McCain and Obama fer instance.

McCain has been treated with kid gloves since the start of this campaign while Hillary and Obama have gotten the shit end of the stick.

At the end of the day this has resulted results in the "Obama ahead of McCain by a slim margin" polls.

That sed, expect more media suprises and manufactured controversies surrounding Obama in the days, weeks and months ahead while the official story of John McCain goes largely unchallenged in the BigMedia.

Maybe after a few debates against McCain Obama will rise higher in the polls.

This is Spud's expectation too.

Obama v McAncient head to head?

It'll be like the Nixon Kennedy debates with McLame in the role of Nixon.

Spud is already amassing large stores of popcorn and butter fer the debates to come.

Popcorn is good!

Be Well.

Still not a single comment from a rightwing retard.

Guess they don't have anything to say.

Posted by sanantoniorogue at 05:11 PM

While Obama will surely press his credentials as the embodiment of the American dream a handsome, charismatic young black man ...

Posted by dethspud at 2008-06-08 09:59 PM

Popcorn is good!

"Sounds as if you're becoming sexually aroused. Don't let the heat of libidinous passion blind you to the reality of who and what Obama is."

Uhm, yeah. You DO know that is an excerpt from the article, not something I wrote, right brainiac?

Don't let the heat of libidinous passion blind you to the reality of who and what Obama is.

You sound pretty conflicted yerself about that issue, there Johnnyboi.

Is it one you've stated awake nights wrestling with?

Two much of that popcorn results in neurological dysfunction

Aw Tiny, yer three much! ^_^

As tempted as Spud is to regard you as a resident expert on neurological dysfunctions (because of yer obvious delicate condition and all) Spud is still more inclined to believe yer just attempting a piss-take (as the Brits say) here.

Spud's "orthographic deviancy" is quite quite deliberate as you well know.

Spud don't need to speak of hisself in third person.

Spud can quit anytime he likes.

^_^

Be Well.

... and, at 70, her face is worn by wrinkles that speak of decades of silent suffering.

She felt her infirmity made her an impediment to him. She justified his actions because of all he had gone through. She used to say, "He just wants to make up for lost time.'"

fyi

I'm not trying to make any kind of point with the article below. It's just an "fyi" from Wikipedia about the McCain, his first wife, his second wife and their finances. His first wife only got the two houses and then support for her medical expenses (which Johnny could easily do by just having her listed as a dependent on his government paid-for health insurance). Looks like she didn't get any monthly financial support if she only ended up with just the two homes.

At least Cindy McCain was smart enough to make sure she got a pre-nup before marrying him although they do seem to love each other and have been married a long time.

Okay - gossip away!

In 1979, McCain met and began a relationship with Cindy Lou Hensley, a teacher from Phoenix, Arizona, the only child of the founder of Hensley & Co. His wife Carol accepted a divorce in February of 1980, effective in April of 1980. The settlement included two houses, and financial support for her ongoing medical treatments for injuries resulting from the 1969 car accident; they would remain on good terms.

McCain and Hensley were married on May 17, 1980. John and Cindy McCain entered into a prenuptial agreement that keeps most of her family's assets under her name; they would always keep their finances apart and file separate income tax returns.

Well, finally a rightwing assclown--Johnson--steps up to the plate and defends McGolddigger's treatment of his wife (not the trollopy one).

"Gosh, she's okay with it,"

Right. Its interesting how, little by little, the truly repulsive nature of "Johnson" continues to reveal itself.

"Or do you recognize a man who is pragmatic..."

You mean the "that tired, crippled old bitch can't do it with me anymore, and I need a rich young trophy trollop to satisfy my ambitions" kind of pragmatism?

Wow, indeed.

Posted by dethspud at 2008-06-08 09:16 PM

Since John bailed Cindy out of her prescription drug theft charges they've become increasingly estranged.

In one of John's legendary fits of temper he called Cindy a "trollop" and a "cunt" back in '92 according to some journos who were there.

"Concentrate deth, and over the years, you just might gather sufficient anecdotal information regarding relationships in a male-female marriage, to enable you to recognize the error of your hasty conclusion."

So, assuming the story is true, the bottom line is you're saying its not only reasonable, but normal for a man to call his wife a "cunt" and a "trollop" in front of others?

Just when we think you couldn't possibly look more ridiculous... WHAM! There it is.

Johnson

His wife is disabled so you expect McCain to transform himself into some sort of self-sacrificing eremite, who flagellates himself and enjoys his suffering, something of a religious type ecstasy derived through suffering, rather than making a life for himself.

Do you folks belong to some type of masochism cult that thrives on self-deprivation and suffering?

If I may, sir, I'd like to do a 180 degree on your comment and ask you the following:

Let's say the first Mrs. McCain had not had her auto accident and "lost her looks and hot body" which so disappointed Johnny he divorced her. And let's also say that when "Johnny comes marching home again" he now shows up at first wife Carol's door with much more than a broken arm. In my "what if" let's say both McCain's legs had been irrepairably broken and he was confined to a wheelchair for life. Also add to this scenario he goes back to his first wife Carol with horribly disfiguring burns from his time in Viet Nam.

They have 3 kids. I would like an HONEST answer from you, Johnson. Would you expect his first wife to stay with him? OR, if first wife Carol (now still a model and good looking) had met an attractive and very wealthy man (like Johnny had done with Cindy) would you consider it okay if the situation were reversed? I mean, really, in your mind she consider herself as you recommended John McCain do?

Below I used YOUR own words in your previous post above and I put in bold print all instances where I substituted first wife Carol McCain in places where you had put her husband John McCain. btw -- I at least added in Carol at the end taking along with her on her new life their three children -- something Johnny didn't bother doing when he left his first wife.


Her husband is disabled so you expect Cindy McCain to transform herself into some sort of self-sacrificing eremite, who flagellates herself and enjoys her suffering, something of a religious type ecstasy derived through suffering, rather than making a life for herself and her three children?

I'll check back later for your -- better be HONEST -- opinion. (grin)

whoops - forgot two words in my post above:

"I mean, really, in your mind should she consider doing herself as you recommended John McCain do?"

Posted by CalifChris at 2008-06-08 10:52 PM

I'll check back later for your -- better be HONEST -- opinion. (grin)

"Johnson" making excuses for John McCain's behavior. I was always taught You get married and Your spouse gets sick crippled whatever You are to be by their side through the good times and the bad. It's called taking the marriage vows seriously.

Larry Mohr

I'll give you a clue, deth. It's no big deal.

Calling yer wife a cunt is no big deal?

Did you marry a deaf woman or sommat?

If she ever figures out how to read lips yer toast!

McInsane's "Legendary Temper"?

Wot? You've never heard a word about it up till now?

O'rly?!

When McCain was a kid he used to throw fits so intense his parents eventually came up with the solution of dunking him into a bathtub full of cold water in order to chill him out.

In High School his inability to control his temper led to his nickname of "McNasty" and "Punk".

The more folks get to know himn the less they seem to like him. When he ran fer re-election to the Senate he could only get 4 other republican senators to support his bid.

"In 1992, Robin Silver and Bob Witzeman, both medical doctors, met with McCain at his Phoenix office to discuss the endangered Mount Graham red squirrel. At the mention of the issue, McCain erupted.

"He slammed his fists on his desk, scattering papers across the room," Silver said. "He jumped up and down, screaming obscenities at us for at least 10 minutes. He shook his fists as if he was going to slug us.

"After Silver pointed out that his behavior was inappropriate, "He apologized and was contrite," Silver said.

Spud quite honestly sees an angry, possibly PTSD impacted, rage-o-holic who does not possess the emotional control neccessary for the job of POTUS.

If Johnson does then he's just being willfully blind to the man's faults.

Another party blinded loyalist out practicising his politics like he's at a fucking ball game or sommat.

The fact that you can practically watch the mans vitality and mental faculties subside like an outgoing tide is also a factor worth bearing in mind before voting fer...

08ama '08.

Be Well.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-06-08 10:52 PM

So, assuming the story is true, the bottom line is you're saying its not only reasonable, but normal for a man to call his wife a "cunt" and a "trollop" in front of others?

Just when we think you couldn't possibly look more ridiculous... WHAM! There it is.

There's a huge difference between the Warren Buffet 2nd marriage and John McCain's.

Buffet married his wife's best friend after his wife died.

McCain was chasing Cindy while he was still married and living with his 1st wife.

I guess a woman who patiently waited while her husband is a POW should have looked the same and McCain had every right to fool around and then dump her as he saw fit in some GOP's minds.

Morals are necessary if you're a Democrat and not necessary if you're a GOP candidate for President, eh?

"And yet despite his popularity as a politician, there are those who won't forget his treatment of his first wife.

Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans' rights, said: I have been following John McCain's career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is deceit.

When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it."

GOP voters either don't pay attention or don't care about the 'character' and actions of their candidates

Posted by dethspud at 2008-06-08 11:28 PM

I'll give you a clue, deth. It's no big deal.

Calling yer wife a cunt is no big deal?

Did you marry a deaf woman or sommat?

If she ever figures out how to read lips yer toast!

McInsane's "Legendary Temper"?

Hopefully now that the country is mercifully through with the Clinton gang, we can return to the days when this kind of extramarital behavior is looked upon with revulsion by the voters.

I've never liked McCain, and have read for years that he could never survive the 24/7 news cycle that digs, and digs, and digs, looking for a story. And these stories would cite close friends of his, who've known him for years. Only in a post-Clinton era is a McCain candidacy even possible.

The Republicans will be demolished in November, for the finest of reasons: we deserve to be. Time to blow the dust off the Contract With America, and the multitude of promises to the country, and to ourselves.

Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans' rights, said: I have been following John McCain's career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is deceit.

When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it.

Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better.

This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. He has no character. He is a fake. If there was any character in that first marriage, it all belonged to Carol.'

. . .

But Ross Perot, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel even by the standards of modern politics.

McCain is the classic opportunist. He's always reaching for attention and glory,' he said.

After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.'

Hmmm. Good article. Learned a lot more about McCain, who has quite a few skeletons in his closet it seems.

Is this not on the front page because of the McCain For President banner ad?

I respect anyone who was a POW. I have a friend, Navy pilot shot down, who was a POW longer than McCain and who carried another guy out on his back when he escaped. But, that aside, I think McCain has some serious psychological issues. His temper is legendary. Not the kind of temperament we need in a President, or as this article points out saliently, character.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-06-08 11:37 PM

I guess a woman who patiently waited while her husband is a POW should have looked the same and McCain had every right to fool around and then dump her as he saw fit in some GOP's minds.

Morals are necessary if you're a Democrat and not necessary if you're a GOP candidate for President, eh?

"Time to blow the dust off the Contract With America..."

'Cause 0-for-8 is a glory that must be revisited!

When the Rethug surrogates launch their swiftboats the Democrats will be able to torpedo them with this. When that day arrives, as it surely will, this story can be revived. Till then let sleeping dogs lie. The damage is done, anyway.

The Republicans knew about all this because you can bet that Rove had the full story and was quite prepared to use it to get Bush nominated. No wonder the Rethug wing of the Republicans don't want McCain. This hanging over them will cramp their style when they want to use their usual scummy tactics against Obama. Can you imagine what they'd do if Obama had done this to his wife?

'Cause 0-for-8 is a glory that must be revisited!

Posted by Danforth
* * * *

Just 'cause it wasn't done doesn't mean it's not worth doin'. Would the country be worse off, today, had we gotten a balanced budget amendment? Term limits on Congressmen?

besides whether johnson feels this is right or wrong

the right wing republican base
with good wholesome christian values would be disgusted with this story.

JOHNSON

My point was that there is a double standard among the right. Seems if it's a Dem even rumored to have done something inappropriate it's a national tragedy that calls for impeachment. When it's one of their own there seem to be a myriad of arguments as to why it's not as bad .

The best example in recent times was when Newt Gingrich was chastising Clinton for his blow job and ranting on about 'moral character', and all the while he was having an affair with his assistant and eventually told his wife he was leaving her while she was in the hospital with cancer.

Shouldn't the same standard apply to everyone?

"No, Rogue. I think that there are occasional disagreements between parties to a marriage, when one person is annoyed with the other.

Do you go around walking on egg shells? Or do you 'communicate?' Do you communicate just how irritated and annoyed you are? Or do you hold it in?"

Sure there are. But is it appropriate to "communicate" your annoyance by using one of the most vile epithets for your spouse, in public? Can "communication" not be conducted respectfully, and, when necessary, in private?

You seem to be praising McCain for bucking social and cultural norms like respect for another human being, and fidelity to one's marriage vows.

How far is that praiseworthy characteristic supposed to extend?

BREAKING: New McCain campaign slogan:

John McCain: Like W - only older

This story sounds a lot like Edward Kennedy and his first wife. Of course not only did Ted divorce his wife he had the 20+ year marriage annulled and turned his children into bastards. All to marry a much younger and prettier woman.

There are many other examples of high profile democrats who I can bring up but this should suffice to illustrate my point here.

"...
There are many other examples of high profile democrats who I can bring up but this should suffice to illustrate my point here.

Posted by Crackpipejunkie at 2008-06-09 07:19 AM"

Would that point be: Senator Kennedy shouldn't have run for president in 1980 since he was going to get a divorce in 1982 or is it a (pathetic) "but they did it, too" deflection? OK, you got us dead to rights. We won't support Senator Kennedy's run for president in 2008.

Actually, I believe most people are relatively unconcerned about ANY candidate's personal life, except as a way to get insight into the personality of the candidate. Take Senator McCain's situation as an example. How many people REALLY care how his actions might have disrupted his family life? I believe most people are MORE concerned that his actions are indicative of someone who might be untrustworthy and/or unstable and how that might affect his ability to perform his duties in office.

Oh, gawd, another "family values" Rebooblican.

Kind of a dirty road to go down, and just further shows that Dems are terrified they're going to lose to him, but okay... We always hear today of Post Traumatic Stress, and the effect it has on soldiers coming home from war... well McCain just home from getting his ass kicked for some time in a POW camp, returns home to a woman who apparently looks nothing like the wife he left and thought of every day while being tortured. Maybe that fucked with his head a little... I don't know... does it really matter? Since when did Dems care about marital fidelity as a qualification for the White House?

Since when did Dems care about marital fidelity as a qualification for the White House?


Excellent question.

"Since when did Dems care about marital fidelity as a qualification for the White House?"

IIRC, it began the day a Republican congressman left the impeachment hearings after bashing Clinton for his unfaithful behavior and headed to his mistress's place to get laid.

Goose, gander, and all that.

Since when did Dems care about marital fidelity as a qualification for the White House?


Excellent question.

Posted by JeffJ


And before someone says, "Since when did Republicans not care about marital fidelity," I would say a) I thought the GOP was stupid for what it did to Clinton, and rightfully got beat down for it and b) Reagan had an exwife too...

Since when did Dems care about marital fidelity as a qualification for the White House?


Excellent question.

Posted by JeffJ

After decades of the GOP 'moral police' making such a fuss over marital fidelity, even attempting impeachment over it, you'd think they'd be asking the questions about McCain...

Typical. But, what should we expect from the party who's chief 'moral policeman' was boffing his secretary, and told his wife he was leaving her while she was in the hospital with cancer - all while calling for Clinton's head?

On Reagan's behalf, he was divorced when he took up with Nancy.

To me a politician like McCain who plays the field while married is fair game in the morals department.

AU,


After decades of the GOP 'moral police' making such a fuss over marital fidelity, even attempting impeachment over it

NO! The impeachment was over perjury, which just happens to be a fellonious offense.



you'd think they'd be asking the questions about McCain...


Yes, we should be asking questions about McCain. I just find it humorous that so many Democrats ferociously defended Clinton's numerous infidelities, even Clinton perjuring himself over it; now act all indignant that McCain wasn't perfectly faithful.

McCain (R-AZ), Guilty

He voted guilty for Clinton cheating on his wife? Or guilty on the charges brought forward, none of which were "Marital Infidelity."

Like I said the Clinton Impeachment was a stupid move on the part of the GOP, but are you serioulsy going to say what McCain did in his personal life decades ago has any relevance to how he will perform as president?

Oh and Rob and JeffJ since that slimeball Newty Gingrich raised a fucking stink while Speaker of the House on Bill Clinton's Infidelity WHILE AT THE VERY SAME TIME having an extramarital affair Himself. THAT is why it's so important to lambaste You right wingers for when You commit the same Damned acts You condemn the Left over. That is why.

Larry Mohr

NO! The impeachment was over perjury, which just happens to be a fellonious offense.



you'd think they'd be asking the questions about McCain...


Yes, we should be asking questions about McCain. I just find it humorous that so many Democrats ferociously defended Clinton's numerous infidelities, even Clinton perjuring himself over it; now act all indignant that McCain wasn't perfectly faithful.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-06-09 09:11 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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And what was the Lie about JeffJ??

Larry Mohr

"After decades of the GOP 'moral police' making such a fuss over marital fidelity, even attempting impeachment over it,..."

These are difficult concepts for you, but read and study them verrrry carefully and maybe you can grasp them.


1) Impeachment wasn't "attempted," it was accomplished when the House voted to impeach.

2) The impeachment wasn't about marital infidelity, it was about PERJURY, a felony.

I see where you're coming from Larry, but don't you see your own hypocrisy in trashing McCain using his private indiscretions as a reason to say he is unfit for office, when you vehemently defend Clinton by saying his private indiscretions have no bearing on his performance as the Leader of the Free World?

"I thought the GOP was stupid for what it did to Clinton"

Then the Republicans have nothing to bitch about. It's a soup of their own making,

2) The impeachment wasn't about marital infidelity, it was about PERJURY, a felony.

Posted by jestgettinalong

you're right jest, though I think we should consider what the lie was about...

That said, Bush and Cheney definitely learned the Clinton lesson.... never testify under oath to anyone. goes a long way toward keeping impeachment off the table.

I see where you're coming from Larry, but don't you see your own hypocrisy in trashing McCain using his private indiscretions as a reason to say he is unfit for office, when you vehemently defend Clinton by saying his private indiscretions have no bearing on his performance as the Leader of the Free World?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-06-09 09:15 AM | Reply

Where did I defend His Infidelity?? God You right wingers like to lie a lot don't You. I believe that Any infidelity is wrong but when the Right uses it to lambaste the Left You better believe We will be reminding them of THEIR infidelities.

Larry Mohr

And what was the Lie about JeffJ??



So, it's OK to commit perjury as long as one is lying about infidelity?


What other topics can one perjure himself over and have it be not a big deal?


Last time I checked, perjury was a felony.

JEFFJ

I don't know any Dems who defended Clinton's infidelity.

The entire episode was ALL about investigating Clinton for anything the GOP could get on him.

Remember Gennifer Flowers? That was during the primaries. Paula Jone's legal fees were paid for by a right wing hack (owner of the Philadelphia Enquirer if my memory serves me correctly).

The perjury you mention ONLY occurred after years of investigations that yielded a lie about a blow job - one we're still hearing about from the righties years later. It all started with a witch hunt and questions about Clinton's sexual behavior, largely by a man who left his wife while she was in the hospital for the secretary he was boffing when he left the Capitol building.

Then the Republicans have nothing to bitch about. It's a soup of their own making,

Posted by Danforth


this is different on so many levels... First and foremost, McCain didn't lie under oath about his marriage or any affairs. Also none of this took place recently, and I don't think McCain was even a Senator when it went down...

Danforth, judging by your lean here, I'm guessing you were against the Clinton impeachment just like Larry, so you being here now railing against McCain, makes you a hypocrite. I see what you are trying to do, in shoving it back in the face of Republicans... but it doesn't make you less of a hypocrite.

Never said it was OK to commit perjury. God You right wingers are all alike aren't You. Unbelievable. What is unbelievable is You right wingers had the utter gall to Impeach Clinton for doing the same God damned thing The Speaker of the House was doing AT THE VERY SAME TIME.

Larry Mohr

"What other topics can one perjure himself over and have it be not a big deal?"

Obviously, outing a non-official cover CIA operative working on WMDs during wartime.

Where did I defend His Infidelity??

Where did I say you defended his infidelity? I said you defend Clinton... and you do.

You right wingers had the utter gall to Impeach Clinton for doing the same God damned thing The Speaker of the House was doing AT THE VERY SAME TIME.

Larry Mohr


Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-06-09 09:21 AM | Reply | Flag


Newt was committing perjury?

That dog don't hunt LeNnY.

You right wingers had the utter gall to Impeach Clinton for doing the same God damned thing The Speaker of the House was doing AT THE VERY SAME TIME.

Larry Mohr


Posted by LarryMohr


the Speaker of the House was lying under oath about his affairs at the same time Clinton was? Holy shit, that's one mega fucking coincidence...

Danforth, judging by your lean here, I'm guessing you were against the Clinton impeachment just like Larry, so you being here now railing against McCain, makes you a hypocrite. I see what you are trying to do, in shoving it back in the face of Republicans... but it doesn't make you less of a hypocrite.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-06-09 09:20 AM | Reply

Bzzzzzzzzzzz sorry wrong again. We would not be delving into John McCain's personal troubles had the GOP not declared it was OK To involve itself into the extramerital affairs of a one Bill Clinton. It's not Hypocritical to demand that the Republicans live by their own standards. They are after all the declared Moral Majority. The Party of Responsibility. We Democrats have never claimed those things. Suck it up Rob.

Larry Mohr

believe that Any infidelity is wrong but when the Right uses it to lambaste the Left You better believe We will be reminding them of THEIR infidelities.


That's fair.



I don't know any Dems who defended Clinton's infidelity.

Well, I know numerous Dems who defended Clinton's ifidelities.


It all started with a witch hunt

A witch hunt suggests grasping at sraws. Lots of presidents have cheated on their spouses. In Clinton's case, his other infidelities came up during questioning in his sexual harrassment suit. He perjured himself and got caught. He then went to great lengths to obstruct justice during his investigation. Scooter Libbey was convicted for Perjury and Obstruction. I thought he was given a fair trial and I wanted to see him locked up. Why is it OK for Clinton to perjure himself but not Libbey?


The perjury you mention ONLY occurred after years of investigations that yielded a lie about a blow job - one we're still hearing about from the righties years later.

Ah! So, it's OK to commit a felony as long as the subject is oral sex?

It's not Hypocritical to demand that the Republicans live by their own standards.

It is however hypocritical of you Liberals to make a big deal out of McCain's issues, while saying Clinton's had no bearing on his performance and such...

Infidelity and divorce regarding former POW's was not at all rare. I expect it does something to a marriage when a husband is imprisoned for 5, 6, or 7 years. I know of many cases, a couple of them personally. Think about it, a wife at home alone all those years, a returning POW trying to pick up where he left off....I wonder if this young, famous, beautiful, swimsuit model was as faithful as this article would have us believe.
A lot of wives would have filed for divorce while their husbands were imprisoned but were prevented by the Soldiers and Sailors Relief Act. I don't think any of us know all the details in McCain's case. You can be certain, however, that the media will paint it all in a bad light.
I'm not necessarily defending McCain, I'm just saying there are probaly more sides to THIS article.

Actually Danforth, I felt Libbey was given a fair trial and was pleased that he was sentenced. Perjruy is a big deal, regardless of who commits the crime and what the subject matter was about.

It's classified as a felony for a reason.

It is however hypocritical of you Liberals to make a big deal out of McCain's issues, while saying Clinton's had no bearing on his performance and such...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-06-09 09:27 AM | Reply

It goes to the moral character of the Man that is running for President however. It is Your right wingers who declare themselves the Moral Majority The Party of Responsibility is it not?? If His personal character is in question don't You think it has a bearing on if He would have the same type of character flaws running this Country??

Larry Mohr

Why do You think I never condemn a Drunk Driver when they get a DUI?? Because I drove drunk a number of times. Never once did I get a DUI but I SHOULD HAVE.

Larry Mohr

If His personal character is in question don't You think it has a bearing on if He would have the same type of character flaws running this Country??

You held Clinton to this standard of course right?

To answer your question, I don't see his personal character in question because he has an exwife and the two of them went through some shit a long time ago. Read the whole article, she's not pissed at him, she's not stirring up stuff or waging a campaign against him... their marriage failed... they're not the first American's to divorce... they weren't the last.

If His personal character is in question don't You think it has a bearing on if He would have the same type of character flaws running this Country??


Absolutely! Your point is well-taken and is agreed upon.


Speaking for myself only - I agree, McCain's personal life is fair game. If his personal indiscretions hurt him in the polling, so be it.

What I am poking fun at is that many Democrats who felt it was out-of-line to 'go there' with Clinton, now feel it is appropriate to do so with McCain.

"If His personal character is in question don't You think it has a bearing on if He would have the same type of character flaws running this Country??"

I don't know. Why don't you ask FDR, Eisenhower, JFK...and Cinton for starters.

1) Impeachment wasn't "attempted," it was accomplished when the House voted to impeach.

Yes, perhaps you're trying to imply "impeach" has a significant meaning. It means "charged."

2) The impeachment wasn't about marital infidelity, it was about PERJURY, a felony.


And he was found 'not guilty.'

Why you on the right keep bringing this up shows you can't get over your failure.

I don't know. Why don't you ask FDR, Eisenhower, JFK...and Cinton for starters.

Posted by jestgettinalong at 2008-06-09 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Because FDR is dead Ike is buried up the road from Me about an hour and half drive JFK is in arlington National Cemetery and I don't have enough gas to reach the border of My state let alone DC. And Bill Well He has a distraught Wife to attend to at the Moment. BTW Aren't we SUPPOSED to improve when we go forwards??

Larry Mohr

Infidelity and divorce regarding former POW's was not at all rare. I expect it does something to a marriage when a husband is imprisoned for 5, 6, or 7 years

JEST

What I read was that he left her because she'd gained weight.

On his behalf, I know former Navy pilot POW's too, who were imprisoned longer and in much worse conditions - in jungle cages, etc.

I do feel that McCain suffered psychological injuries that he hasn't fully recovered from. If he weren't running for President of the U.S. it wouldn't be an issue, but because he is it should be a reasonable question to raise. His hot short-trigger temper is a real issue as it should be for a Commander in Chief.

One friend of mine, a POW for 6 years, went on to have a normal life, but still checks every exit everywhere he goes and screams in his sleep. I know this because he and his wife (the original one) have stayed with us several times over the last 22 years.

What I am poking fun at is that many Democrats who felt it was out-of-line to 'go there' with Clinton, now feel it is appropriate to do so with McCain.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-06-09 09:35 AM | Reply

The Fucking Right WIngers did it to themselves when they went after Bill Clinton. Had they not done so We would not be having this conversation. Capisce??

Larry Mohr

BTW Aren't we SUPPOSED to improve when we go forwards??

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr


Like he said: FDR, JFK, Eisenhower, Reagan, Clinton, etc... have all fucked around on a wife or two...

Maybe marriage has dick to do with success or failure as a president... hell by all accounts George W. Bush has remained faithful to Laura... what's your opinion of him?

You held Clinton to this standard of course right?
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Give it a rest, rob...
The point is that republican's should be willing to judge THEMSELVES by their own professed standards... but they never do... they only judge others that way.

I don't know. Why don't you ask FDR, Eisenhower, JFK...and Cinton for starters.

Posted by jestgettinalong


None of whom were POW's

" I'm guessing you were against the Clinton impeachment just like Larry, so you being here now railing against McCain, makes you a hypocrite. "

Bwahahaha! Where am I railing against McCain? I'm railing against you, and all the Republicans who were flailing around like headless chickens when fidelity was a Dem issue, but now want to claim it's not important at all. My sole point is you can't have the head prosecutor in a perjury trial revolving around an incident of marital infidelity leave the proceedings to bang his mistress without some of it coming back on you. And if you're really looking for a hypocrite, start with the folks who parade as the party of "family values", buy want to skip the fidelity issue when their guy is a cheater and their opponent's guy is a faithful husband.

And since you "guessed I was against the Clinton impeachment" (correctly), I'll add: that next election was the first time (of two, now) I've ever pulled a one-lever ticket.

George W. Bush has remained faithful to Laura... what's your opinion of him?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-06-09 09:40 AM | Reply

BWHAHAHAHAHA do You REALLY want to ask that?? I think Condi Rice and Him have had a fling or two but that is My opinion nothing substantiatable.

Larry Mohr

This is a viscious circle.


So much hypocrisy abounds on both sides that this conversation could go on indefinitely.

Why don't you ask FDR, Eisenhower, JFK...and Cinton

None of which divorced their spouses.

"Why you on the right keep bringing this up shows you can't get over your failure."

I didn't bring it up...I think AmericanUnity did, I don't think he's a right winger. I was just trying to clear it up for him.

"And he was found 'not guilty.'"

Yeah, so was OJ. However, the state of Arkansas found him guilty and disbarred and fined him.

"Actually Danforth, I felt Libbey was given a fair trial and was pleased that he was sentenced. "

Were you pleased his sentence was commuted? Or the fact it seems, to an outside observer, the commutation came from the very people for whom Libby was obstructing justice?

So much hypocrisy abounds on both sides that this conversation could go on indefinitely.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-06-09 09:44 AM | Reply

Translation: I got My tits in the wronger now I am trying to back out of the wringer washer.

Larry Mohr

I'm railing against you, and all the Republicans who were flailing around like headless chickens when fidelity was a Dem issue, but now want to claim it's not important at all.

I think I've said 3 times in this thread so far that what Clinton did should not have risen to impeachment and did not effect how he performed as president and also the Republicans got what they deserved for pressing impeachment, so I'm not sure why you're railing against me...

even if you find someone saying that it was an issue for Clinton but not McCain, you'd have a hard time honestly comparing the two situations... but I doubt you'll have a problem with that...

His wife is disabled so you expect McCain to transform himself into some sort of self-sacrificing eremite, who flagellates himself and enjoys his suffering, something of a religious type ecstasy derived through suffering, rather than making a life for himself.

He didn't need to make a life for himself; he already had one with the mother of his children, a woman he pledged to honor through sickness and in health for the rest of their lives.

Obviously, people divorce, and that's not always a knock against the people involved. But the circumstances of McCain's divorce seem particularly cruel, particularly in the timing of when he began pursing Wife No. 2. He wasn't divorced yet and had three minor children with Carol who had to be devastated by the split and quick remarraige.

McCain isn't a big-time social conservative, so he doesn't rank high on the hypocrisy scale for this. But the situation does make you wonder how the theocons in his party can reconcile their obsession with the "sanctity of marraige" with McCain's conduct towards his first wife and family.

Does this count as a W infidelity?

SHOCKING!

(hey come on. It's pretty funny!)


Posted by AMERICANUNITY


That is pretty funny... Office email coming up...

Were you pleased his sentence was commuted? Or the fact it seems, to an outside observer, the commutation came from the very people for whom Libby was obstructing justice?

Posted by Danforth at 2008-06-09 09:48 AM | Reply

Yep. Libby Was Obstructing Justice for the executive branch against the executive branch. Not so Funny Dat Be.

Larry Mohr

"None of whom were POW's"

That's kind of irrelevant, isn't it? The subject was/is infidelity and the presidency. I think FDR, Ike, JFK and Clinton were all presidents who had been unfaithful at some point...no?

But the situation does make you wonder how the theocons in his party can reconcile their obsession with the "sanctity of marraige" with McCain's conduct towards his first wife and family.

Posted by rcade


I'd rather lose the election then have to pan