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"Oil Shortage Fears Grow"


YEAH!

Except Bush has already claimed this is the issue -- even though not a single person out there in America has trouble getting any gas (AKA gas lines or stations without fuel)! Like all the Bush Cult hysteria, it can't be seen by simple mortal men!

This is just another orchestrated game to differ the soaking of Americans pocket via the purposely crafted Bush "Energy Policy"!

It is not coincidence that almost immediately after they implemented the Super Secret Energy Policy that Fuel prices shot up in excess of 267%!

"Veteran traders said that oil production would soon peak because of geopolitical and geological constraints. "

Well, duh. Some of us have been saying this for years, only to be called "doomsayers" by oil industry shills and head-in-the-sand pollyannas.

I still remember the pinheads on the right as recent as a year ago claiming "We will never run out of oil."

How's that $30 per bbl coming?

Megadittoes.

We will never run out of oil. And at $120 a barrel, tens of millions of people will be using much, much less.

RIR is right. we won't run out, we just won't be able to use much.

And 726-130 is the new 30.

"We will never run out of oil."

True, but irrelevant. Every last barrel cannot be extracted due to prohibitive costs or technical infeasibility.

"And at $120 a barrel, tens of millions of people will be using much, much less."

Probably will take higher prices than that. Oil demand is somewhat inelastic. People are going to fill their gas tanks to get to work regardless if it costs them twice as much.

People are going to fill their gas tanks to get to work regardless if it costs them twice as much.

Therein, as the saying goes, lies the crux of the issue. We will never be willing to give up any significant portion of our lifestyle in order to help the issue. But we will bitch about it until red in the face. It would be like me screaming to the world about the bathwater being too hot when in fact I was the one who ran it.

Humans are funny creatures.

"We will never be willing to give up any significant portion of our lifestyle in order to help the issue."

YEAH!

Says you!

History shows that given a mission from a Real Leader, Americans are capable of Incredible things!
Don't blame Bush's lack of Leadership on the American People!

He was given an opportunity to change America and the World for the better after 9-11, but he chose to dust off some long shelved, halfassed, half-baked ideological agenda instead!

History shows that given a mission from a Real Leader, Americans are capable of Incredible things!
Don't blame Bush's lack of Leadership on the American People!
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Um, did you actually need Bush to tell you that a Ford Expedition burns more gas than a Honda Civic?

Neither did the rest of Americans. Twenty years ago SUV's didn't exist. Now there are 180 million of them.

"We will never be willing to give up any significant portion of our lifestyle in order to help the issue."

This is real cute and dandy (and not very bright) as a talking point but it leaves out one very real issue...many folks can't afford to live 2 miles from their job. The Chicago area is a classic case in point. Your work where you can get the best job and you live where you can afford to.
Transportation to your place of employment does not come under the umbrella of lifestyle.

"Twenty years ago SUV's didn't exist"

YEAH!

And twenty Years ago we had a president who had the insight (or a dislike of working for terrorist) to have solar panels installed on the WH!

What's your point?

Twenty years ago Chevy Suburbans existed, the solar panels had already been removed from the White House for two years, the earth was ~0.5C cooler http://data.giss.nasa.gov/ gistemp/2007/ Fig1_2007annual_s.gif and the swim season was two months shorter.
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History shows that given a mission from a Real Leader...

How naive. No leader, no matter how charismatic can convince 300,000,000 people to give up their current lifesytles and go back to a 19th century way of life. Take off the rose colored glasses and look at what people really are. Incredible that you can be so naive.

data.giss.nasa.gov

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Neither did the rest of Americans. Twenty years ago SUV's didn't exist. Now there are 180 million of them.

But a good president could have prevented that, right? LOL.

"No leader, no matter how charismatic can convince 300,000,000 people to give up their current lifesytles and go back to a 19th century way of life. "

Actually it was about 200,000,000 back then.

Someone's been busy.

People keep bringing up solar panels removed from the white house. Would that really have saved us a significant amount of energy if they had been saved? What idiots! y'all act like the WH uses the amount of energy as a city of 3 million.

Actually it was about 200,000,000 back then.

Sorry. I thought we were talking about the problem as it existed today. We aren't?

Exactly how would one go back to a 19th century lifestyle and still pay the bills in the 21st century?

Exactly how would one go back to a 19th century lifestyle and still pay the bills in the 21st century?

My point exactly

But a good president could have prevented that, right? LOL.

Posted by goatman
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Yeah. And I'm sure the Redneckville's of the world would've sat idly by while a Republican president ordered Americans to drive smaller cars for the sake of national security, or to turn off their air conditioners so that we can fill up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. It's preposterous. The answers to our energy problems were there for the whole world to see, year after year after year: no new nuclear power plants, no new refineries, no drilling on the continental shelf or in the ANWR, no drilling off the California or the Florida coasts, no development of shale or tar sands, no new power plants in our largest state, no windmills allowed off Cape Cod, no new hydroelectric power permitted on the Hudson, and on and on and on. But I'm supposed to believe that if only Reagan hadn't torn down Carter's solar panels, we wouldn't be here now.

But you did make the remark about lifestyle...what does getting to work have to do with lifestyle?

RiR,
Was it wrong for the government to lower the highway speed limit to conserve gas? It happened.
Would it be wrong for the government to mandate that sort of thing if there was truly a shortage?

But you did make the remark about lifestyle...what does getting to work have to do with lifestyle?

If we lived the life of our ancestors we would not be putting out so many greenhouse gasses. People managed to get to work back then without cars.

The point is if we the American people want to lower greenhouse gas emissions significantly (and it doesn't seem like we want to) we will have to revert to a 19th century lifestyle. Though I loved my great grandparents and enjoyed visiting them in the same house they lived in for 60 years, I don't want to live like they did when they bought it.

RIR - I'd prefer nobody orders me to do something as that is a dictatorship.

We have stood idly by due to a long period of low gas prices and big SUV's and such and now pay the price. Yes, I am paying that price too by not buying a smaller, more fuel efficient car. On the "bright" side I see a lot of people trying to start up businesses and create better alternatives.

Everything seems to be quite cyclical in life. Personally, I think the price will go back down as people change their lifestyles and new products emerge. I'd say the prices go down after the summer (some) due to the dricing season ending. There's also that pesky thing called an election coming up too.

The reality is there are no good answers at $4 and soon to be $5/gallon. Thank God it won't affect me for awhile, assuming I can stay employed. I've been blessed in my career choices.
But there are many folks who live by a strict budget, have no option but to drive to work, and $4/gallon gas will do some serious damage to them.

Yeah. And I'm sure the Redneckville's of the world would've sat idly by while a Republican president ordered Americans to drive smaller cars...

LOL. I can see his retort now:



YEAH!

Neocon republicunts trying to tell me what I can and can't drive! They care clueless about everything. How could they possibly know about my life and what kind of vehicle I need to drive! Someone needs to tell these assholes to stay out of my bedroom AND my garage!

signed:
redneckville

"Yeah. And I'm sure the Redneckville's of the world would've sat idly by while a Republican president ordered Americans to drive smaller cars for the sake of national security, or to turn off their air conditioners so that we can fill up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. It's preposterous."

YEAH!

Its Preposterous during a Time of War, what Bush and gang themselves have and are billing as a "Fight for Our Civilization", a "Fight for Our Way of Life", one where they "Want to Take Away your "Freedum" and "Make you Convert to Islam" and "Make Your Daughters Wear Burkas" and "The Greatest Challenge of This Generation" with the Threat of an any minute "Mushroom Cloud" that our "Leader" would ask and expect Americans to Sacrifice when all this (according to YOU) is on the line!

Preposterous Indeed!

But I see why with all this at stake that we would be encouraged by our "leader" to "Go About Life, Travel and Shop as if Nothing is Wrong"!

Preposterous Indeed!

MDL,
If prices do go down, it will be only for the election and they will be back up by spring. There's no way the industry will let gas fall back to even $3/gallon for very long.

Its Preposterous during a Time of War...

I'll tell you what's preposterous during war and peace: That's your stupid, predictible kneejerk responses, redneckshill

But I see why with all this at stake that we would be encouraged by our "leader" to "Go About Life, Travel and Shop as if Nothing is Wrong"!

Once again, here is what redneckshill's retort would be if our "leader" told us to stop traveling, shopping and act like everything is wrong:

YEAH!

Asswipes in the White House living like kings and traveling because they can have the nerve to tell me to cut down my traveling and shopping! When will these neocons get the fuck out of my life and let me live it like I want, not like they want me to because they think it will make this country better? If these rethuglicuntiniantards really want to make the country better they will stop scaring the people and travel themselves: A long walk off a short pier!

signed
redneckshill


Today oil hit $136 a barrel.

Americans are being BUSHwacked.

$5/gallon by Christmas...watch.

LOL. True enough, Goat.

Funnier still when you consider whom the Dems consider the leaders on the energy and climate issues, and how THEY live. If President Gore were to show up, start re-installing solar panels on the White House roof, and telling everyone else to drive a bike, they would fall in line and tell the rest of us we're unpatriotic, destroying the environment for future generations, blah blah blah for not doing the same. But when Al Gore, non-president, has a carbon footprint as big as Godzilla's and spends more time in private jets and limousines than most Americans would in 10 lifetimes, hey . . . no problem.

I wonder what oil and gas prices would be today, if all the hug-the-earth liberals in North America and Europe actually LIVED as if there were a real climate-change problem? You know, were they to switch off the air conditioning, and buy a Hyundai instead of a Navigator.

I spend a lot of time in the Northeast and California, places where Bush supporters lie pretty thin on the ground. Sure were a lot of SUV's, though, many emblazoned with the "No War For Oil" and "Save the Earth, Plant a Tree" bumper stickers. And they were all driving with the windows up, and the air on. Pretty big houses, too.

I wonder what oil and gas prices would be today, if all the hug-the-earth liberals in North America and Europe actually LIVED as if there were a real climate-change problem?

They all purchased carbon credits, which are not unlike the indulgences that the Catholic church sold back in the day.

Isn't that good enough?

RightisRight

This guy was on George Noury's show ("Coast to Coast") last night talking about his plan for cutting back on oil. Part of it is having Congress mandate that all new cars be "flex-fueled." It's a short synopsis about how he would go about attacking both OPEC and the war on terror. Do you think there's any validity to any of his suggestions?

HOW TO DESTROY OPEC

It's not all that hard.
I went from a 12 mpg Chevy Blazer to a 30 mpg Nissan Altima 3 years ago and as much fun as the Blazer was to drive, I don't miss the twice a week fill-ups.

Polock,

My wife and I dumped the V-8 Explorer as soon as a sufficient cross-over became available - then a Freestyle, which was replaced with a Taurus X.

Unfortunately, our lifestyle dictates the ownership of 1 large vehicle. I like the fact that our family hauler has AWD given we live in snow-infested Michigan. Also, when travelling we need 3rd row seating (for the dog) plus a reasonable amount of space behind the 3rd row. Our Taurus X has 22 cubic feet of space behind the 3rd row!

That our vehicle not only drives better than our Explorer, but also gets about 4 mpg better in terms of fuel efficiency is a huge bonus.

This guy was on George Noury's show ("Coast to Coast") last night talking about his plan for cutting back on oil. Part of it is having Congress mandate that all new cars be "flex-fueled." It's a short synopsis about how he would go about attacking both OPEC and the war on terror. Do you think there's any validity to any of his suggestions?
* * * *

No. Flex-fuel vehicles are merely a way to trade high oil prices for high food prices. We need to get away from ethanol completely, and anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand the problem.

The real answer is to move transportation fleets (large trucks, passenger buses) to natural gas, and keep natural gas out of power refineries. And it's to move passenger transportation to the electric grid, burning nuclear and coal.

Personally I believe that in about 25 years, we'll look at the internal-combustion engine-driven automobile the way we look at steam locomotives today. But you don't get to electric cars without more electricity, widely dispersed. And we're no further along in developing THOSE sources of power than we are of finding readily accessible crude. These problems will take years to unwind and finally fix, and every day the Dems waste time on hearings with oil company executives pushes the solutions back even further.

Go nuclear. Good luck with this Congress though.

Jeff

They all purchased carbon credits, which are not unlike the indulgences that the Catholic church sold back in the day.

You made me laugh remembering when you would go to Confession on Saturday and told the priest your "sins." Then each "sin" whether venial or, if God forbig you committed the real biggie -- a mortal sin -- each one would have a particular number of "Hail Mary's" or "Our Father's" attached to it order to gain forgiveness and "save your soul." hahaha. Not quite the same "buying of indulgences" you referred to but it did made me think of the other.

P.S. - Thanks for the chili compliment the other day. Yes, it was good. If you didn't live all the way across the country I'd have invited you, your wife, and your boys over for chili!

forbig = forbid

CChris,

I always wondered what kind of formula priests used when prescribing penance for confessed sins.

Your commentary is funny.



I'll propose a deal:

If I am ever going to be in Cali, I will give you a head's up and me and my family will converge to consume your chili - we'll bring the beer.

Conversely, if you are ever going to be in Michigan, assume the converse - look me up, I'll make my chili and you can bring some beer.

Deal?

Can I get in on that deal, Jeff, only it's San Antonio, not California?

Besides, I make better chili. *grinning and ducking*

Brazil biofuel strategy pays off as gas prices soar
Oil substitutes include sugar cane, corn, soybeans, beets, cornstalks

As international oil prices soar, that bet has put Brazil at the forefront of a "biofuels" movement in which many countries view sugar cane, corn, soybeans, beets, cornstalks and native grasses as cleaner, money-saving substitutes for oil produced in politically unstable countries. Ethanol is higher in power-producing octane than most gasoline and can reduce tailpipe emissions of carbon monoxide and harmful particulates.

www.msnbc.msn.com

America Only Uses 36% Of Available Farming Land.

-Sarge

Goat,


I already have a similar arrangement with Mao.

I'd be very happy to throw you into the mix, especially considering I suspect that you concoct better chili than Mao.

Mao doesn't live far from me. We can have a cookoff. If you want to know, I'll tell you how to make a good chili. Just takes some time.

Day 1

halve tomatoes, onions, poblano peppers, and jalapenos. Place cut side up in a smoker. Smoke for about 2 hours with mesquite. Carefully remove (you don't want to lose the juices in the tomatoes) and place in blender or food processor with 2 heads (not cloves) of garlic.

Process until pureed. Cut several dried ancho chilis. Remove seeds. Crush some cumin in a mortar and pestle. Add outer chili and crushed cumin to puree and process until until anchos are size of small confetti. Add reserved ancho seeds to puree.

Day 2

(I do this over an open fire with the pot on a tripod) Brown cubed pork and beef with a little oil in a cast iron pot or dutch oven. Do not drain grease off yet. Add puree and 1 bottle of beer. Cook for at least 5 hours. Add a bottle of beer as needed, but do not exceed 3 bottles. Use water after that if necessary.

If you use beans, make some from dried pintos the day before. (soak overnight, cook) Add the last couple of hours of cooking.

Remove grease from top of chili before serving. keeping the grease in until last keeps the chili from spattering and also adds flavor.

Goat,


In all seriousness, you pretty much desrcibed the processes behind my chili to a 'T'.


Mao doesn't live far from me.

I am aware, which is why I wanted to draw you in if I am in a position to make good on my promise to Mao.


Based upon your obvious accumen regarding chili, I would happily eat it by the trough if given the opporunity.

Goat,

I am meticulous when it comes to skimming the fat out of my chili.


Also, I take serious pride in making my own chili powder - several different dried chile's - toasted, then seeded and then ground.


As for meat, I prefer a combination of ground round, beef tip shoulder (in 1/2 inch chunks), cube steak cut into small bites and ground pork.

I also like to employ a fair amount of homemade beef stock. To that a combination of a dark roux, plus masa harina (corn flour) added at the end of the simmering to create the desired thickness.

I also use the masa if necessary to thicken, but usually it isn't necessary.

Here's a picture of a batch I did recently:

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Oil shortage......LOL!!!

Fucking morons who believe this.

There is more oil now than 20 years ago and there will be more oil 20 years from now than now.

The media is really doing their job, lying to the masses for corporate profit and gain. Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who owns the media.

There is more oil now than 20 years ago and there will be more oil 20 years from now than now.

Assuming technologies to extract it keep the same pace as they have the last couple of decades. There is no evidence that that is the case. Do you have evidence to the contrary, m'war? If so, I'd like to see a link to it.

Thanks

"There is more oil now than 20 years ago and there will be more oil 20 years from now than now."

That's completely stupid. We can harvest fossil fuel out of fucking beer cans if the price is right, but otherwise your statement is absolute nonsense.

"There is more oil now than 20 years ago and there will be more oil 20 years from now than now."

utterly insane flag

""There is more oil now than 20 years ago and there will be more oil 20 years from now than now."

For that to occur, the bell curve of discovery of new reserves would have to reverse direction.

www.peakoil.net

oil reserve 1995 - 2025

My word, look at the growth, almost 3 times from what it is now.

For that to occur, the bell curve of discovery of new reserves would have to reverse direction.

And for the bell curve to change direction they need to include all capped wells.

Tired of the convoluting the issue through manipulation of actual stats.

The greenies cry oil depleation and the oil companies love that by raising the price helping both out in their agendas and the people get hosed.

I am surprised this is coming from you nulli, it is not your usual good research and information.

We are at war.

The OPEC cartel, some 17 is it, countries including Venezuela and our buddy Chavez there, who is cooperating with the Islamics in setting Hizbullah up in Latin America, are engaged in a process that is intended to bleed the U.S.,and the West dry. They are sitting on the spigot. Despite increased demand, oil production is close to that in the 70s. Saudi Arabia has some 2.5 million barrels per day of unused capacity, and has deliberately not increased capacity for years. It has some 11 million barrels per day (bpd) capacity, which could have been 20 million bpd.

This cartel is bankrupting us and using oil money to spread Islam, and also purchasing businesses at fire sale prices as we enter the throes of a turndown due to their calculated deliberate actions.

The West cannot survive without oil. to avoid a violent clash, their rate of increase has been incremental. We shall be impoverished.

In the meantime the Islamics are buying media and politicians worldwide. The editor of the paper that published the Muhammed cartoons was fired as the Saudis bought the newspaper.

We are being destroyed. We are at war. We need to use our coal reserves, begin an instant project to convert coal of which we have abundant quantities, to methane or whatever, and mandate the manufacture of cars that can use the alternative fuels as Brazil now does. If the U.S. does it, flexuse of flexfuel will become the worldwide standard.

The OPEC countries have declared war on us. We are at war. That we are so willing to surrender without using our power to protect ourselves is a testament ot our degeneracy. We are docile, a feminized country not aroused by threats, but devoted to talk, negotiations, while we are dying, being destroyed.

It's time to begin an alternate fuel project on a crash basis. Since much of the technology now exists for the manufacture and use of methane and other alternative biofuels, begin building plants, mandate cars that can use such fuel, and erect fueling stations. Save this country.

As a second strategy and in the interim, we can coerce the producers of oil, or in the alternative if they will not listen to our reasonable pleas, go in there and seize the oil. There are other big players, who may need to be appeased, but if China is given the right to a certain amount of Iran's production in perpetuity, for example, then they and others will probably go along with our plan. Our very existence is at stake. Recognize we are at war. Go to war now if necessary, and also compel the bastard oil producers to disgorge their excess profits.

At the present rate of their sovereign wealth growth, and it is an accelerating process, the Saudis will be able to acquire control of the U.S. economy in some eight years. Act now. What kind of self-effacing jerks would permit this to happen? Why Americans, of course.

The Saudis have large investments in our news media now, or perhaps the chains would be rattling now for release of the dogs of war.

We are at war. We need to fight.

My word, look at the growth, almost 3 times from what it is now.

Gotta love that column "undiscovered". If it's known, it's not undiscovered, is it? If they know how much it is, then it's "discovered", right?

Funny stuff.

www.eia.doe.gov

I would rather have people actually understand the issue of oil instead of the media pandering oil and enviro organizations bull shit.

Doing a small amount of research and it is clear oil is not any where near short in supply and will not be in the future.

Goat,

I like it too.

I bet you just don't go out in the ocean and randomly drill, you know there is oil there but it is undiscovered until you actually tap it.

Funny how that is isn't it.

I would rather have people actually understand the issue of oil...

Good idea, Mr. Day Rate.

It isn't "the oil companies." An oil company disgorging one billion dollars is some $3.33 per person, not even enough to buy a gallon of gas nowadays.

It's OPEC. It's the cartel. It's the world's oil. It's our oil. Take it and avoid economic and political disaster.

What we need is a political candidate, who will advocate and promise use of force to enable us to maintain our standard of living, and also have the salutary effect of preventing widespread starvation now beginning to affect populations of poorer countries.

Act now.

Which candidate has the balls to undertake to end the oil crisis by a two-pronged attack.

1) Develop methane and biofuels. Require all new cars sold to be adapted to use these fuels, an added cost of some $100 per car, two tanks of gas.

2) Coerce or seize the oil fields and refineries from our foes, who are waging war against us. We have the might to survive. Use it.

I bet you just don't go out in the ocean and randomly drill, you know there is oil there but it is undiscovered until you actually tap it.

Once again you prove how uninformed you are about the oil industry.

We drill where our client tells us to drill. We have no idea if there is oil there or not. We do not care. Our client says go to xx Lat xx Lon and drill a 18,500 ft hole. We do it.

1 in three holes we drill are dry. Doesn't sound like they really know where the stuff is if you think about it.

Goat,

You are trying to make an issue that is idiotic on your part.

I know what day rate is as I know you know what day rate is, and the fact that you continue to think I don't is humorous.

Ever work in production? Oops, you do in oil. Well I do in planes and day rate is figured in both but you go ahead and think oil is the only one that deals in day rate.

I know what day rate is ...

After you pretended to know and I corrected you a few months ago. Don't act stupid.

Goat,

you are delusion, I deal with day rate everyday and have for years, you just didn't like that the aircraft production day rate made your oil day rate look silly.

Grow up, stop being stupid, and we can do this all damn day and night.

You guys posted at the exact minute...

We need to drill and refine our own--Anwar and off the coast and build some GD refineries.


Make the cars use fuel better--electric hybrid--they need a juice pump on the roadways.

Don't go the food route--not going to work--disaster--but getting off the foreign oil is great--do our own.. and work towards getting off it altogether.

Murphy

OK--what is a day rate referencing to ?


Murphy

I remember that thread well, m'war. You don't or are afraid to admit. I said that we get a day rate of $500,000. You said that most corporations clear far more than that in a day. I corrected you and told you that was what a single rig gets, not a company net.

You can play your silly "I-knew-what-your-meant" games, but it sure didn't seem like it that day.

betel and zat,

Come on smart guys lets here it, otherwise the insane flags are on your ignorance.

There is more oil now than 20 years ago and there will be more oil 20 years from now than right now.

For Zat to be the scientist and research man, he certainly has a problem getting down to the true facts of the matter.

bravenewfilms.org

Day rate is what an oil rig gets per day from the oil company leasing them to drill.

Moored semi-submersibles (the kind I'm on) used to get about $60-$80/day 5 years ago. The rig I'm on now is on a 5 year contract (that's a long one!) for $480/day.

DP drill ships are now getting as much as $680k/day for 3 year contracts.

Goat,

I remember it too and you are wrong in your memory and like I said we can play this all day and all night. You are just full of sour grapes and trying to claim you oil rig is the most costly day rate of anything.

The bottom line here goat, is my data incorrect about oil?

There is more oil now than 20 years ago

Let's think about this. You have a bucket full of whatever. You use the stuff in the bucket for 20 years. But not only does the level of the bucket not fall, it rises!

Funny stuff, Moneywar, funny stuff.

For Zat to be the scientist and research man, he certainly has a problem getting down to the true facts of the matter.

Says the guy who thinks that you can tap into a finite source of a product and end up with more than you started with. LOL

This is definitely the realm of the bOoB.

The bottom line here goat, is my data incorrect about oil?

Of course it is! Only an idiot thinks that you can have more of a substance after using it! There is no math in the world that supports that. Not even buffalo bob math

You are just full of sour grapes and trying to claim you oil rig is the most costly day rate of anything.

Yeah, it's so important to me to know that my rig has a high day rate. LOL

It's starting to rain here in San Antonio. That is my favorite time to sit in the hot tub. I'll be back to amuse myself with your ignorance, MW, after the rain passes.

If a woman breast feeds her child doesn't the theory hold that as long as She does this more milk is produced so by more consumption more is available. BUT if a Woman stops breast feeding Her child Her breasts dry up. Same holds true with oil to more you use the more you will have. It's not rocket science.

Larry Mohr

It's starting to rain here in San Antonio. That is my favorite time to sit in the hot tub.,,,

That sounds so nice and refreshing. I love rain.
Here's a dumb question from someone who doesn't know much astronomy -- can you still see the stars outside even when it's raining?

Oh the stars at night
Are big and bright
**clap clap clap clap***
Even when it's
Raining in Texas!

If a woman breast feeds her child doesn't the theory hold that as long as She does this more milk is produced so by more consumption more is available.

Joke, right?

I'm gonna try that with my bank account. I'll see if the more money I spend, the more I have available.

You would have a point if money could reproduce itself. Not like mothers milk not like oil. But You wouldn't know that now would You.

Larry Mohr

Not like mothers milk not like oil.

Yes, Lenny, oil can "reproduce" itself. But it takes hundreds of millions of years. We will have it all pumped out of the ground in 100 or so years. IOW, for every year we pump oil out of the ground, we have to wait one million years for it to be replaced.

Capsize?

In twenty five million years, Goatmans body will have biodegraded into crude oil. At four dollars a gallon I could drive him to the kwik-e-mart. What a deal!

Hey Your brain capsized off of some cliff long ago Goatman. The notion that we will have pumped out all of the oil in the planet earth in 100 Years is craziness.

Larry Mohr

BTW Fuckhead My name is not Lenny GOT IT.

The notion that we will have pumped out all of the oil in the planet earth in 100 Years is craziness.

OK, 200 years tops. The fact is, mankind has been around for about 10,000 years. In 200 more years, (1/50 of that time) we will be out of oil. It does not come back like mother's milk, mohron.

Larry,

If a woman breast feeds her child doesn't the theory hold that as long as She does this more milk is produced so by more consumption more is available.

Using you analogy, Larry --

The gasoline nozzle is America's tit.
We keep sucking it and so far consumer demand produces more oil to suck up.
But one day America's tit will dry up.
Supply will dry up.
But the demand for fuel consumption will always be there.
No one is going back to the days of the horse and carriage.
So then what, Larry?

Alternative fuel.

We need to produce alternative fuel but for some reason this country that had the ability to send men to the Moon in 1969 just can't seem to find a method of alternative fuel?

Don't tell me this country doesn't have the ingenuity and expertise to invent alternative fuel. Could it be that certain forces, groups, countries (you fill in the blank) don't want alternative fuel for their own various reasons and agendas? I don't know but it sure looks that way.

Why is Goatman alway so angry and verbally abusive to LarryMohr? Does ya thinks maybe the Goat's got a secret crush on him?

CalifChris You have bought into this Peak Oil nonsense. If we were really running out of oil we would not be discovering more oil resourses. THEY WOULD BE DRY AS WELL. Lord it's not rocket science.

Larry Mohr

Why is Goatman alway so angry and verbally abusive to LarryMohr? Does ya thinks maybe the Goat's got a secret crush on him?

???

WTF kind of relationships do you keep, M8? I treat those I love and have a crush on with respect and dignity.

I'm sorry for your loved ones, M8, if you treat them like I treat Larry.

How bizarre.

Actually Goatman, given the juvenile nature of your posts, I was remembering how kids in grade school acted when they had a crush on a girl and didn't know how to express it.

If we were really running out of oil we would not be discovering more oil resourses. THEY WOULD BE DRY AS WELL. Lord it's not rocket science.


DRY AS WELL

1 in three holes drilled are productive, Larry. Trust me on this -- I'm on the front lines and see it firsthand. Used to be 1 in two were. Soon it will be one in four, then one in 10. NOt to mention we used to be able to get the stuff by drilling 500-1,000 feet. We are now drilling up to 45,000 feet! If you are smart enough to see the pattern, you would be able to figure out, yes, we are running out. As you say, it's not rocket science.

Oh now that is just disgusting moder8. I think I will be ill now. Might as well go mow the lawn. It's nice and cool out. Better than putting up with this shit. CYA.

Larry Mohr

M8,

Goat is just a lonely prick of an old man with nothing but ire towards others who don't seem to think like he does.

Just go review all his posts and one can easily see the lack of normal character the man holds.

His wife departed him a few years back, why is questionable and became an issue here for about 2 weeks from all his angry moaning and now shows no respect to anyone here.

Lonely people do desperate things.

Actually Goatman, given the juvenile nature of your posts, I was remembering how kids in grade school acted when they had a crush on a girl and didn't know how to express it.

Thank you, Mr. Maturity. I had forgotten that juvenile phase in my life, but apparently it is still a part of yours.

Actually, when it comes to tragedies he may have experienced in his personal life, I genuinely have nothing but honest sympathy. Life can be painful. And few us deserve the pain which life unexpectedly visits upon us.
BUt I just like giving Goatman a hard time because I disagree with him on pretty much every political issue there is.

If and when oil goes back down to 40 dollars a barrel you wll be drilling at 500 ft again, but keep convoluting the issue.

Or is it, you are just a grunt employee and really don't know shit about the industry, that's more like it.

Goatman I wouldn't trust You to give me a weather report with You dripping at My front door. Now off to mow the lawn. God I love it.

Larry Mohr

I know you are but what am I?



goatman

Goat is just a lonely prick of an old man with nothing but ire towards others who don't seem to think like he does.

I always love it when the debate devolves to "Goat is" (fill in the blank with your favorite pejorative).

The admission of a man-child that he has no valid arguments left to present. At least buffalo bob has the sense to fade silently away into the woodwork.

Lonely people do desperate things.

Like say:

Lonely people do desperate things. rather than continue an intelligent debate?

LOL!

BUt I just like giving Goatman a hard time because I disagree with him on pretty much every political issue there is.

If one pays attention to goats post one can see he really doesn't take a stand on political issues.

goat just like to throw arguing ire angry comments out at people he thinks will jump in with his stupid button pushing comments.

A WOB at its best.

Yeah maybe you are right goatman, but you still gotta admit you make a wonderful target. At least we all seem to think so. Some people would rather be right than popular. Frankly, I would rather make fun of you than be right.

BUt I just like giving Goatman a hard time because I disagree with him on pretty much every political issue there is.

Cool. I can deal with that, unlike the immature "lonely people do desperate things" bullshit that moneyway comes up with.

If and when oil goes back down to 40 dollars a barrel you wll be drilling at 500 ft again,

The days of scratching the ground and getting Spindletop are gone. Sorry to be the one to tell you the bad news.

Or is it, you are just a grunt employee and really don't know shit about the industry, that's more like it.

I know basics like day rate. You didn't until I explained it to you a few weeks ago. LOL!

Goatman I wouldn't trust You to give me a weather report with You dripping at My front door.

Oh god, Lenny. I'm heartbroken. How can I carry on?

Goodbye, cruel world!


I know you are but what am I?

Posted by moneywar


An idiot?

If one pays attention to goats post one can see he really doesn't take a stand on political issues

duh. It took you that long to figure that out? What was your first clue? The fact that I always say that politics are bullshit and that people are too obsessed with it?

You're a genius, moneywar. The DR thanks you for pointing out the obvious

Goatman, Lenny Mohr sure is upset tonight but what's new.

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Oops, sorry, just thought I was in goatmans mind.

Yeah maybe you are right goatman, but you still gotta admit you make a wonderful target. At least we all seem to think so. Some people would rather be right than popular. Frankly, I would rather make fun of you than be right.

On that, you have the drop on runnysore. I don't give a fuck if people make fun of me. I am an ignorant SOB. I'm bullheaded. But I don't do too badly for being as stupid as I am. I love where I am in life. There is nothing anyone in cyberspace can do to bring me down.

The irony here is that to hear people like runnysore tell me how awful I am. I find it quite amusing.

Uh oh. Though I've always suspected it, runnysore has now officially descended into the realm of buffalo bob with his stupid spamming.

I never really thought much of you, runnysore, but to be honest, I never thought you'd sink to da bOoB's level.

Runnysore and his identical separated-at-birth twin bOoB must be conspiring.

His wife departed him a few years back, why is questionable and became an issue here for about 2 weeks from all his angry moaning and now shows no respect to anyone here.

Lonely people do desperate things.

Posted by moneywar at 2008-05-22 01:52 A


The reason his wife "departed" is not "questionable" to anyone who posts on here. We all know she suffered an illness and passed away because Goat decided to share that experience in his life on a thread here awhile back. If you had a shred of class, Moneywar, you would drop any and all reference to it from your posts from now on yet you still seem to find a perverse, sick thrill in bringing it up and making some sly reference about it in any thread where you and Goatman are going at it.

Do you think if one of your kids died from an incurable illness that Goatman, no matter how pissed off at you he might be, would ever bring your family tragedy up to personally use a reference to it against you in one of his posts? I doubt it. Do you think, as you did to him, Goatman would ever say Moneywar acts like an asshole on DR because his kid died (err, as you put it "departed") so that experience is what affects what Moneywar has to say on DR? No matter how mad he got I don't think Goat (or most of the people on this blog) ever stoop that low but you sure have no hesitation in doing it.

I've had plenty of battles on here myself with Moder8 but in this case I have way more respect for him because at least when he wants to take on Goatman he's honest about saying he does it because he just likes to do battle with Goat for the fun of it. Moder8 doesn't scrape the bottom of the barrel with tasteless remarks about Goat's family.

Yeah maybe you are right goatman, but you still gotta admit you make a wonderful target. At least we all seem to think so. Some people would rather be right than popular. Frankly, I would rather make fun of you than be right.

Posted by moder8 at 2008-05-22 02:03 AM

I usually always let people handle their own battles on here with others. But when you keep doing this crap of bringing up Goatman's deceased family member (no matter how subtle and clever you think you may be when you make a reference to her) and it's only to get back at him in a way meant to be personally hurtful then I'm more than happy to throw in my two cents that I think you've reached the level of pond scum.
imho.

Sorry cali,

I don't feel for him, he purposefully goes out to provoke ire in people so I returned it in kind.

If he wants civil cross talk then he can show an equal respect.

Well said Califchris. Personal attacks of such nature are out of bounds.

I don't mind the weak attempts most of you here try on me because I can give as good as I get but I never would use personal knowledge of a real tragic event to hurt any of you.

Its like senator Ted Kennedy illness. I wish him a speedy recovery. Those who wish his death have let their disagreements with him get too personal.

Bee Swell

No leader, no matter how charismatic can convince 300,000,000 people to give up their current lifesytles and go back to a 19th century way of life. Take off the rose colored glasses and look at what people really are. Incredible that you can be so naive.

Posted by goatman

I don't anyone was ever advocating going back to 19th century ways, but rather looking forward to 21st century ways.

But what the hell, when you get a POTUS that cuts funding for alternative energy programs, then schedules a press conference photo op at the research facility only to learn all the employees were let go due to no funding this is what happens.

Or are we gonna gloss over those little incovenient facts?

"21st century ...

But what the hell, when you get a POTUS that cuts funding for alternative energy programs, then schedules a press conference photo op at the research facility only to learn all the employees were let go due to no funding this is what happens.

Or are we gonna gloss over those little incovenient(sic) facts?"

Posted by 726 at 2008-05-22 08:27 AM


And everyone paid attention to Amory Lovins and we all lived happily ever after.


Not.

They elected someone who told them what they wanted to hear.

Demand will exceed supply in about four years.
At some point it will take a barrel of oil's energy to extract a barrel of oil.

Zat,

where are you getting your information?

I will give it a good read and it is difficult in oil to find actual credible sources that are not convoluted towards a particular paying direction.

The "4 years" was a quote from last night's news.

The energy point is a simple fact.

...but rather looking forward to 21st century ways.

I'm all ears