I am wondering if she angling to be Obama's VP? At least there was speculation that she could be a good choice rather than Hillary to get the women's vote.

In any case, this veto is wrong.

During debate, the bill's advocates said the measure would help prevent voter fraud. The governor said Kansas already has secure, fair elections.

"HB 2019 seeks to solve a problem of voter fraud which does not exist in our state due to the tireless efforts of our local election officials," the governor added.



Oh yes, the nonexistent election fraud boogeyman.

Hey all you rightards....



BOOOOO!

"HB 2019 seeks to solve a problem of voter fraud which does not exist in our state due to the tireless efforts of our local election officials," the governor added.
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Um, how does she really know?

I wonder if the good governor will be asking for legislation repealing the requirement to show an ID when getting a library card. Hard to imagine there's much fraud when it comes to checking out popular non-fiction books, but there's a rule nonetheless. How about when turning your utilities on or off? I've been doing it "legally for years"--why discourage me from doing so in the future?

I guess a lot of leading Dems consider the process by which we elect our political leadership to be less serious than that of checking out the newest offering from John Grisham at Topeka Public Library.

Democrats bus people to vote on election day. Why can't they stop whinning and bus those don't have IDs to the DMV to get them?

Why can't they stop whinning and bus those don't have IDs to the DMV to get them?

Posted by member2586

This has been argued over here for weeks.

It's not just get to the DMV, its be sure that you have all the other i.d. necessary to get the DMV id.

Many american's do not have the supporting documentation to be eligible for a DMV i.d.

I wonder if the good governor will be asking for legislation repealing the requirement to show an ID when getting a library card.

Is a library card a constitutionally guaranteed right?

Funny how the expansion of scope and power of the government by requiring an extra piece of identification is okay with the right in this instance.

Could it be that their faux outrage over the size of government is bullshit or is it just applicable when it fits their agenda?

Is a library card a constitutionally guaranteed right?

Posted by 726
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Oh, I see.

Maybe I should have said, "I wonder if the good governor will be asking for legislation repealing the requiring to show an ID when buying a firearm."

Is a library card a constitutionally guaranteed right?

Posted by 726
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Oh, I see.

Maybe I should have said, "I wonder if the good governor will be asking for legislation repealing the requiring to show an ID when buying a firearm."

Funny how the expansion of scope and power of the government by requiring an extra piece of identification is okay with the right in this instance.

Could it be that their faux outrage over the size of government is bullshit or is it just applicable when it fits their agenda?

Posted by 726
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I didn't know this requirement would add to the size of the government.

But my agenda is that people who can't prove they are who they say they are shouldn't be allowed to vote. Dead people shouldn't vote. Illegal aliens shouldn't vote. People shouldn't be able to vote multiple times. That's kinda my agenda. What's yours?

Speaking of rights that are guaranteed by the constitution, I wonder if Governor Sibelius will be moving to overturn laws requiring permits to have a parade or concert or other peacable assemblies. Or the laws that say a newspaper has to have a business license. Or, for that matter, that one has to register to vote at all.

In registering to vote, we go through the trouble of documenting that we're US citizens, and that we live in a certain area. Why is that not also an onerous requirement?

And why do you suppose the only ones opposed to having to show a photo ID are Dems?

Hmmmmmm.

That's kinda my agenda. What's yours?

Posted by rightisright at 2008-05-21 01:35 PM


In a country that barely gets half of it's registered voters to the poll, it's to make it as unobstructed a process as possible.

Please note that Kansas is not a state that allows you to register and vote the same day. Incidences of voter irregularities are virtually non-existant there. You would still have to show ID when you register to vote. This is yet another attempt by "conservative" activists to keep people from the polls.

In a country that barely gets half of it's registered voters to the poll, it's to make it as unobstructed a process as possible.

Please note that Kansas is not a state that allows you to register and vote the same day. Incidences of voter irregularities are virtually non-existant there. You would still have to show ID when you register to vote. This is yet another attempt by "conservative" activists to keep people from the polls.

Posted by morris
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Oh. Well, maybe it's not convenient enough. Maybe we should have poll workers go door-to-door. Better yet, we can vote with a cell phone, by text message, like they do on American Idol.

"Boo hoo hoo. I would go vote, but I don't have a valid photo ID. Those conservative activists again!!!!!"

LOL.

Good for Sebelius!

A non-existent problem, indeed. Andrea posted a link within the month that showed all the investigations, charges and convictions on ballot fraud and it was negligible. The biggest offenders in election fraud turned out to be Republicans and some retired Sheriff.

Oh yeah, and 3 were convicted in that NH telephone jamming GOP scheme.

How dare ANYONE ask ANYBODY for identification at
the polling place. That is just as silly as ID'ing
someone who wants to purchase alcohol of fill a
doctor's prescription.

Why do we even need identification?
Leave us alone you fascist bastards

I didn't know this requirement would add to the size of the government.

But my agenda is that people who can't prove they are who they say they are shouldn't be allowed to vote. Dead people shouldn't vote. Illegal aliens shouldn't vote. People shouldn't be able to vote multiple times. That's kinda my agenda. What's yours?

Posted by rightisright

Somehow I didn't think you would. Color me shocked.

So you don't see how requiring another government department to issue an ID is adding to the size of government? You don't see how having to go down to the DMV, stand in line, pay a fee, and register in THEIR database is adding to the size of government?

Funny that.

So how many cases of voter fraud has this state been involved in?

That is just as silly as ID'ing
someone who wants to purchase alcohol of fill a
doctor's prescription.

Of course buying alcohol and prescription drugs are guaranteed rights in the Constitution right?

Ass.

Between now and November you will see every kind of thing tried by Republicans to suppress the vote.
Most Americans are aware of the hackable computer voting machines used all over the country but why is there no Republican outrage about that???
Because it isn't about fairness with them, it never is. Republicans care about winning and they don't care how they do it. If it requires disenfranchising Grandma who doesn't drive then so be it.

Danni - if McAncient chose Crist, and Obama chose Graham, who do you think wins Florida?

She fits right in with Obama--he wants to give illegals driver's licenses and she doesn't want them to show ID at the polls.

Perrrfect..

There are still laws protecting the right to vote--you have to be 18, an American citizen, some states do lot allow felons to vote.

What is the problem with an ID at the polls?

This is not a heavy burden and the SCOTUS just rulled that the law was Constitutional--what state again?

She is wrong--but she is a Dem==explains a lot..


Murphy

If a bill like this ever passes the dem voter roles will drop by 50%. They'll lose illegal aliens, felons, people too stupid to get a photo ID, people too lazy to get a phto ID, people who vote more than once, and dead people.

"Danni - if McAncient chose Crist, and Obama chose Graham, who do you think wins Florida?"

You know, I was thinking about that exact situation.
Bob Graham has a much longer relationship with Floridians and really, though I hear pundits say differently, I don't think most Floridians are exactly "in love" with Charlie CRist. So far he hasn't been a very good governor, we just had a tax cut on property taxes done so clumsily that it is basicly bankrupting the state. Teachers are being laid off. I really thin Crist has enjoyed an extended "honeymoon" which is going to end soon because of the draconian cuts to schools. Charlie CRist, from what I have seen so far, is the most empty suit I have ever seen.
As far as winning Florida, I think Bob Graham would crush any Charlie CRist support. Graham was a much loved man and deservedly so, Crist is, like I said, a very empty suit and Florida is waking up to that fact rapidly.

"She fits right in with Obama--he wants to give illegals driver's licenses and she doesn't want them to show ID at the polls."

When you make an accusation like that you should support it with appropriate links to legitimate sites or STFU. It has never been demonstrated that illegal aliens have infiltrated our election process, this voter ID thing is nothing more than another in a long line of Republican schemes to suppress the vote.

If you can't ask for I.D. how do you know who is voting. We all know democrats are known for voting multiple times and registering the dead.

This is just another shill attempt at voter fraud.


Bee Swell

It has never been demonstrated that illegal aliens have infiltrated our election process, this voter ID thing is nothing more than another in a long line of Republican schemes to suppress the vote.

So let's wait until it becomes a problem, right, Danni? The illegal aliens have seen how easy it is to break laws in this country, it is only a matter of time until they are emboldened enough to commit massive voter fraud.

But the Dems don't care about that since it is highly likely these illegals will vote Democrat since it is the liberals who want to give the free meds, free education, free health care, etc. They need the votes, right?

I still can't figure out what is wrong with proving you can legally vote as long as it doesn't cost the legal voters a penny.

Good for her. This is America. Not some banana Republic where you need official picture ID to exercise the right to vote.

So let's wait until it becomes a problem, right, Danni?

Definitely. The govt shouldn't create barriers to voting and more bureaucracy unless they are addressing a legitimate, documented problem.

We all know democrats are known for voting multiple times and registering the dead.

This is just another shill attempt at voter fraud.


Bee Swell

Posted by Crackpipejunkie


So Crackpot, how many allegations of voter fraud have been raised in Kansas to warrant legislation to fix the problem?

this voter ID thing is nothing more than another in a long line of Republican schemes to suppress the vote.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-21 11:16 PM |

Oct 28, 2004 ... People Who Vote TwiceA sudden crackdown on an old trick. ... 46000 other New Yorkers were registered to vote in both Florida and New York. ...


Any guesses where this poster is from?

California Secretary of State Debra Bowen has led a crusade against hypothetical electronic vote fraud. Now, the state's chief elections officer should advocate a legal change to stem real voter fraud, which actually occurs in California.

The Supreme Court cleared the way for that change Monday, declaring constitutional Indiana's law that requires voters to show a photo ID. Requesting a photo ID is the best way to ensure that votes are cast by living U.S. citizens, that they are cast in the proper jurisdiction, and that they are cast just once.

Voter fraud rarely makes news because a winning candidate's margin of victory usually makes fraud irrelevant. But, as Justice John Paul Stevens said for the 6-3 court majority, "flagrant examples of such fraud ... have been documented throughout this Nation's history" and "could affect the outcome of a close election."

Case in point: U.S. Rep. Loretta Sanchez's upset of then-Rep. Robert Dornan in 1996 by 984 votes. Orange County prosecutors said a local activist group had registered 227 noncitizens to vote. A Los Angeles Times survey found 172 of them had voted.

A state-issued photo ID -- certification of citizenship -- would go a long way toward ending that type of fraud.

And state voter rolls are populated by residents both alive and dead. A photo ID would ensure that only the living cast ballots.

Opponents of requiring a photo ID say that such laws are nothing but partisan Republican efforts to suppress votes of Democrats, who (the Democrats claim) are less likely to have an ID. If that is indeed the case, there is a simple solution: Voters without an ID should get one. It is no more laborious a process than it is to vote. And Stevens found that the inconvenience "does not qualify as a substantial burden."

The surest way to depress voter turnout is to erode the public's belief that its elections are fair. A photo ID law would bolster trust.

All the dems against this law must also be against having to show ID to purchase firearms.

"Additionally, no elected official should support enacting new laws discouraging or disenfranchising any American who has been legally voting for years," she wrote.

The Democrats also favor procedures that enable gangs of partisans to go out into poor neighborhoods, nursing homes, and the like, and have these "volunteers" assist people who have no volition of their own, by filling out these other peoples' ballots. In effect, these volunteers are usurping the votes of the persons they are purportedly assisting. These "volunteers" are partisans who should be in prison for corrupting our electoral system.

But they were only "helping" the poor, the destitute, the handicapped, those unable to think for themselves, by insuring that they cast their vote for someone who will (in their partisan opinion of course) help the people whose ballots they are using to vote their own interests. Those good candidates just coincidentally happen to be the candidates the "vounteers" support. They just fill out the ballots of others for the others, but voting for the "volunteers" choice of candidates.

These are not "helpers," these are people commandeering the votes of others for their own purposes.

It's a power struggle. All's fair in love, war, and politics. No. Wait. All's not fair in war anymore. America needs to abide by rules that assist its enemies. I know because enemy sympathizers among us, told me so.

But they were only "helping" the poor, the destitute, the handicapped, those unable to think for themselves, by insuring that they cast their vote for someone who will (in their partisan opinion of course) help the people whose ballots they are using to vote their own interests. Those good candidates just coincidentally happen to be the candidates the "vounteers" support. They just fill out the ballots of others for the others, but voting for the "volunteers" choice of candidates.

These are not "helpers," these are people commandeering the votes of others for their own purposes.

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Exactamundo.

I remember a discussion I was having a couple of years ago, about whether or not you should have to provide ID when purchasing a firearm. I said sure, why not?--just to ensure that you weren't a felon, and that you were over 18 years old. The redneck who was arguing with me was one of those 2nd Amendment absolutists, who thought that the government should have no say whatsoever were he to purchase a howitzer, or a bunch of Claymores. And I told him, the only reason you would be opposed to showing ID to purchase weapons, is if you want people to illegally purchase them. No other reason.

Same goes here. For all the talk about disenfranchisement, it's not about that at all. The only ones who are opposed to having to show an ID or a proof of residence, are those who want to see the system abused and cheated by people in their own party. That's all.

Fellow DR Posters,

I guess we all know there is no such thing as a fake ID.

That being said there are some valid arguments for both sides, but I haven't seen much proof this is a rampant issue.

Now, nobody should be allowed to use FL as a primary residence and vote in Indiana. They are simply trying to take advantage of the tax breaks in FL and then vote in the state they lived/worked in for most of their lives. Get off the fence and pick a state. I'd say this may be the best argument for the law, but overall it's a futile effort without a national ID card. (Note: not trying to start a debate on national id cards, so carry on).

Yes, no IDs please. I know a guy I work with who lived in Ohio in 2004 and brags that he voted for a single candidate four times in one day. He simply voted legitimately once, then drove to 3 adjoining polling spots / towns, walked in to the polling place, up to the table staffed by the old bag from the League of Women Vultures, and gave her a valid street name. As she opened up to the page in the printouts, he easily read a house number & name from an unchecked house. Imagine how much easier this gets in the ghetto where the old bag at the desk is in on the scam.

I guess we all know there is no such thing as a fake ID.

Sarcasm understood, MDL. But requiring the scammers to create a fake ID would at least ensure that only the most motivated and deserving fraudsters are allowed to get away with it.

And since the GOP owns more fake ID machines than the Dems.... Oh wait, n/m, they own Deibold.

/And had Kennedy killed.
// Not Ted. The first one.