They're so cute when they get mad.

This is the part that really hit home for me:

"There is a real difference in this country. It is not okay to be racist. It is just not. It is almost acceptable to be sexist,"

It will be interesting to see what happens if Obama reaches the 2025 magic number. Will he declare victory or will he demonstrate weakness? If he does demonstrate weakness it will only confirm what Marc Rudov says in his radio show, that men are terrified of women, that men will do antything to avoid tears and tamtrums.

Stay tuned folks, the actions that Obama takes today and tomorrow will be very reavealing, at least to me, of what kind of president Obama would be. If he demonstrates weakness against Hillary Clinton and her militan supporters, how is he expected to protect us against Al Qaeda and Iran?

They're so cute when they get mad.

Posted by cookfish


Yes, they are just so sweet(ie)! LOL!

Comparing what Obama will do with about half of his own political party and what he would do as commander-in-chief against an external threat is pretty much of a stretch, ain't it member?

how is he expected to protect us against Al Qaeda and Iran?

Posted by member2586 at 2008-05-20 02:14 PM

How is Iran threatening us again?

Yes, most men are terrified of women. That's why recent movies feature vaginas armed with teeth.

You yourself re afraid of feminine mojo, fretting Obama might give into a "tantrum".

Oh so scary. By the way, just so you know, Stevie Nicks was never a witch. It's OK to look at her photographs after dark.

"That's why recent movies feature vaginas(sic) armed with teeth."


Posted by Zed



It's capitalized, insect! Vagina!
-Martha Hoople

Women are the problem and exacting blame is their stupidity.

Women hold the majority in voting public but they are decrying sexism.....LOL!!!

Get the damn women out to vote and there wouldn't be a problem.

Does sexism exist? Sure. Does racism exits? Sure. How many women senators and governors are there in this country? How many black senators and governors are there? Is sexism the reason Hillary is behind? The answers to the above questions would indicate the answer is no. Since Hillary is polling so well among certain demographics of women primary voters, I think the case can be made that Hillary is where she is because she is a woman and that being a woman has actually helped her, not hurt her, in this race.

I heard Jeff Tobin on CNN say tonight that sexism has been a factor, and he cited a sign at a Hillary rally that said Hillary is a Bitch as evidence. I guess Jeff missed the Saturday Night Live skit. She thought being called a bitch was a good thing back then; it proved how tough she was. Now suddenly it's evidence of sexism?

I'm not sure exactly where the "sexist" allegation came from against Obama. I can only assume it is because he had to defeat a popular female rival to get the nomination. Which is a shame actually. Because Hillary Clinton does speak for many people, especially women, within the Democratic Party. Hopefully in the coming months, as the antagonism of this nominating process wears off, so will the claims of sexism.

The sexism is from the good ol' boys telling her to get out and Obama doesn't have the number yet.

If she were a man--they wouldn't be saying "Sweetie--it's time to leave the race".

I have to say--I have come to admire her tanacity in this process. She is a fighter.

Now I don't want her anywhere near the WH..

But she has given one hellava fight here for the nomination. She can leave when she wants to.

Go all the way to Denver!

As McCain says--"It would be crazy exciting if the Dems don't have a pick even after November!!"

Murphy

She is a fighter.

The real question is: will she be a sore loser?

"The real question is: will she be a sore loser?"

Posted by Gal_Tuesday


duh

Hell hath no fury like a woman with a sense of entitlement and the money to hire a lawyer.

The sexism is from the good ol' boys telling her to get out and Obama doesn't have the number yet.

If she were a man--they wouldn't be saying "Sweetie--it's time to leave the race".

I have to say--I have come to admire her tanacity in this process. She is a fighter.

Now I don't want her anywhere near the WH..

Some see it as racism from the good ol' Clintons when they go around saying Obama can't win in November.

If he were a white man, they wouldn't be saying, "We'll take this all the way to the convention if we have to."

I have to say I admire his tenacity in this process. He is a fighter.

I want to see him in the WH.

I will not miss the deafening, depressing silence of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean or other leading Democrats, who to my knowledge (with the exception of Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland) haven't publicly uttered a word of outrage at the unrelenting, sex-based hate that has been hurled at a former first lady and two-term senator from New York. Among those holding their tongues are hundreds of Democrats for whom Clinton has campaigned and raised millions of dollars. Don Imus endured more public ire from the political class when he insulted the Rutgers University women's basketball team.

Would the silence prevail if Obama's likeness were put on a tap-dancing doll that was sold at airports? Would the media figures who dole out precious face time to these politicians be such pals if they'd compared Obama with a character in a blaxploitation film? And how would crude references to Obama's sex organs play?

There are many reasons Clinton is losing the nomination contest, some having to do with her strategic mistakes, others with the groundswell for "change." But for all Clinton's political blemishes, the darker stain that has been exposed is the hatred of women that is accepted as a part of our culture.

Sore losers is what Im calling you Fem's. As Hillary says if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. You girls have no place complaining if your willing to play dirty politics, use the Carl Rove playbook against Obama.

When Barack Obama hits the 2026 he will be the presumtive nominee of the Democratic party for Presidebt of the United States and he will declare victory. This final numbers will be affirmed when the DNC Rules Committee meets may 31. They will not change the rules for the Clintons to take the nomination from Obama, there would be a revolt country wide burning cities and open looting.

I'm tired already of Clinton and her supporters blaming misogyny and sexism for her being denied the nomination. They had nothing to do with Clinton finishing third in Iowa or planning so poorly for post-Super Tuesday states, which were the two biggest factors in this campaign.

I find it particularly significant that she couldn't win Iowa, or at least deny a victory to Obama there, with all of her advantages and money.

If Clinton loses, as it appears all-but-certain these days, it has nothing to do with plumbing. She got beat.

I'm tired already of Clinton and her supporters blaming misogyny and sexism for her being denied the nomination.


Are you equally tired of Obama supporters crying racism at each and every criticism of him, no matter how trivial?

Are you equally tired of Obama supporters crying racism at each and every criticism of him, no matter how trivial?

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-05-21 07:39 AM | Reply

Trying to link Him with big bad muslims and trying desperately to link His middle name to that of Saddam Hussein is hardly trivial. Please do so ever try yet again.

Larry Mohr

LAR-
I don't think that was what JEFFJ was referring to. What of JEFFJ's racism point from his 7:39am post?

I find it humorous the like of JJ trying to say Obama always links toward racism. In fact it is he and people like him who try an link Obama to such terms by taking other peoples words and trying to attach him to those words.

The actual character of these people show the sad state of affairs our country is in really.

I agree with RCADE, women have the majority in the population for voting, and yet the cry is sexism, well, maybe the women need to get out and vote.

The problem is, hillary really doesn't have the women vote.

Jesus H. Christ, Larry.


I don't give a rat's ass about his middle name, nor do I give a rat's ass about any ties he might have had with Islam when he was very young.

Besides, I wasn't talking about reactions to his middle name or reactions to assertions regarding his youth.


I was talking about actual criticisms of his policy prescriptions, his rhetoric, etc as being cast off as 'racist'.

Are you equally tired of Obama supporters crying racism at each and every criticism of him, no matter how trivial?

Show me where the Obama campaign, leading Obama supporters or pro-Obama PACS are making racism an issue. Maybe they would be if he was trailing, but I'm not seeing the race card played like Clinton's side is playing the gender card now. Especially the unctious and divisive Geraldine Ferraro.

How about his rabid supporters on this blog, Rcade?


I see it every day.

If You didn't give a rats ass then You would not have posted about it. Hell You have made at least one user blog on the very subject. If You didn't give a rats ass about it then why did Ya do it??

Larry Mohr

MW,


I wasn't talking about Obama himself.


I was talking about his supporters, more specifically, his supporters on the DR.


To his credit, Obama has pretty much stayed above playing the race card.

Oorah,


Larry regards it as racist to even talk about the facts regarding Obama's childhood and it's always LARRY who broaches the subject.

I posted it as a user blog because I thought it was a well-written article that touched on many issues, including whatever ties Obama might have had with Islam as a very young child.

I am not an expert on Obama's past and I was hoping to get some honest feedback from some of this site's Obama supporters. Instead, I got the usual label of "racist" for having the temerity of linking an article, that among other things, talked about Obama's early ties to Islam, however tenuous said ties may have been.

Your reaction then, and now, was predictably knee-jerk and took on the usual assumptions and false assignment of positions never taken.

Larry,


I don't deny that some on the right intentionally single out Obama's middle name in an attempt to invoke hostilities toward Islam.

That being said, legitimate questions regarding his past CAN be raised, and in doing so, aren't anything more than intellectual curiosity.

I think it must be sexism to some folks to believe that if you supported NAFTA then you share responsibility for it, if you voted for the war then you share the responsibility for it.
I believe that millions of Americans looked at Hillary Clinton's record and decided they didn't want her to be president regardless of her gender or her race. Politicians must have their feel held to the fire, their record is our best method of predicting their future behavior. Hillary's record cost her the presidency.

I am not an expert on Obama's past and I was hoping to get some honest feedback from some of this site's Obama supporters. Instead, I got the usual label of "racist" for having the temerity of linking an article, that among other things, talked about Obama's early ties to Islam, however tenuous said ties may have been.

Your reaction then, and now, was predictably knee-jerk and took on the usual assumptions and false assignment of positions never taken.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-05-21 07:59 AM | Reply


You would have a point had this subject matter not have been addressed before. It has with YOU especially yet You keep it up. Now You are trying to wiggle Your ass out of being called out on it. My God dude. Where is that JeffJ of old who had bunches and bunches of credibility??

Larry Mohr

I am not an expert on Obama's past and I was hoping to get some honest feedback from some of this site's Obama supporters. Instead, I got the usual label of "racist" for having the temerity of linking an article, that among other things, talked about Obama's early ties to Islam, however tenuous said ties may have been.

JJ,

I don't think this is a genuine statement, although you continue to phrase such as to leave yourself an out for """"truth""""" sake, it doesn't ring true.

On you sight there was plenty of informational sites given to allow you to gather information that showed you the assumptions and assertions were incorrect but yet you continue to banter the rhetoric.

Please tell me what individual you call by their middle name? Is it preferred or do you just do it out of spite. I have yet heard Obama's wife or anyone close to him refer to him by his middle name. At least you can be a little sincere in making such pejorical assertions.

Larry,


The first post you reproduced was a user-blog entry and my primary reason for linking the article was to touch on the fact that ANY mention of Obama's early ties with Islam is an utterly taboo subject. I was trying to figure out why.


My 2 posts, dating all of the way back to February, had nothing to do with Obama and Islam.



Every criticism I levy toward Obama, not matter WHAT the content, you cast off as 'spewing' and that I've somehow sunk low for having the fucking temerity to be critical of your Messiah.

I may be one sick son of a bitch but by God I don't make outlandish excuses when I am called on the carpet about them. Boy I miss the old JeffJ I really do. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Larry Mohr

Laterz

shakes his head as he leaves.

Damn You.
My God dude
God damn You JeffJ

You are a 2nd rate SNL skit Larry.

Every criticism I levy toward Obama, not matter WHAT the content, you cast off as 'spewing' and that I've somehow sunk low for having the fucking temerity to be critical of your Messiah.

You say your intent was one way while your words don't support such an intent.

We all see you don't like Obama, why you don't like him is very unclear. We see alot of political pejorical insinuation from your posts meant to conjure up incorrect ideals about Obama with no real context as to how you back it up.

The problem here is we all know you are smart enough to understand what you are doing and in fact think you are doing it purposely for no other reason other than you don't like Obama and don't know why.......racism?.......why don't you tell us!

Please tell me what individual you call by their middle name?

How about "dubya". Also, I have friends who go by their middle name in lieu of their first name.


Is it preferred or do you just do it out of spite.

It was done out of spite. That said, it was also done in jest. I knew that Obama supporters were sensitive about his middle name, so when I initially referred to him by his middle name I was needling those sensitivities. I was truly shocked as to just HOW sensitive many of his supporters were regarding his name. As such, I quickly put the kabosh on referring to him by his middle name and instead elected to refer to him by his middle initial. In doing so I thought I could needle the hypersensitivities of Obama supporters without being offensive about it. I mean, how offensive can a single letter be? Well, even THAT was deemed 'racist' by our resident Obama-fluffers. So, I put the kabosh on referring to him by his middle initial.

MW,


First off, I don't 'dislike' Obama.

I find him to be quite likeable and even honorable.


My 'dislike' for him starts with his policy.

In 2007 he had the most liberal voting record of any of his peers in the senate. He favors national health care and he exudes a degree of naivette and a lack of experience that is ill-suited to the office of President IMO. I really don't give a rat's ass about any early ties to Islam he may have had. In fact, I think any insinuations that he's a closet terrorist seeking the presidency as a means of instilling Sharia law in the US to be truly repugnant.

I AM concerned with his relationship with Reverend Wright. Said relationship suggests the possibility (I don't personally believe that he's a racist, but his relationship with Wright has given me pause) of a racist in sheep's clothing - at least Rev. Sharpton wears his prejudices on his sleeve.

JJ,

Bush(I rare ever show the respect of capitalizing his name) receives his nick names by his own failings, not by birth.

you call people by their middle name because they asked to be called it, and I don't feel I should have to explain the reason for it.

I am not sure I believe all of your intent but some of it rings true to your personality. I just don't think the defending of your words are honest, slightly misaligned maybe purposeful, but truely honest......I can't say that.

I do find it strange your dislike for the man, knowing you political standing and the other candidates it seems quite an enigma.

you call people by their middle name because they asked to be called it, and I don't feel I should have to explain the reason for it.

Fair point.


I just don't think the defending of your words are honest, slightly misaligned maybe purposeful, but truely honest......I can't say that.

I am being brutally honest. I first invoked his middle name to poke at the sensitivities of his supporters. However, when I witnessed the maelstorm that ensued I decided it was a counter-productive tactic. Then and now I felt the wicked reaction was WAY overblown and downright irrational. Nevertheless, his most sensitive supporters felt very strongly about their reactions so I decided to put the kabosh on his middle name.



I do find it strange your dislike for the man, knowing you political standing and the other candidates it seems quite an enigma.

Of the 3 candidates, I think he's the least qualified.


Again, I don't dislike Obama. Not at all. What I dislike is the unearned Messiah status he's been given by his supporters. What I dislike is the absurd hyper-sensitivies of his supporters. What I dislike is his being called a 'uniter' when he's the most liberal of his peers in the Senate. What I dislike is that he's about 'hope' and 'change' without ever having to define what those words mean in a political context.

Have you ever liked and respected a sports team but couldn't stand many of said teams obnoxious and ridiculous fans?

My dislike of Obama isn't a dislike of Obama, but a dislike of the ferociously rabid fawning of many of his supporters.

Hmmm!


JJ,

Was Obama naive about the war?

Was Obama naive about people and campaign support?

I find him refreshing in the aspect that he is going to create people of knowledge to advise him and make decisions based on well founded data, not that the data will be correct but he will seek to find the actual truth behind the data.

Making the leap of wright to Obama would be like me making the leap of you(catholic) to pedephile priests. It would be stupid in certain avenues.

Making the leap of wright to Obama would be like me making the leap of you(catholic) to pedephile priests.


Apples to oranges.


Making that leap would require the following:


1. That I chose the church of a pedophile priest
2. That I had a 20-year relationship with said priest AND I was aware of his actions during that time
3. I had that priest baptize me, my children and wed me to my wife
4. That I used part of said priest's sermons as the title of a book I wrote
5. That I chose said priest as a spiritual adviser

JEFFJ-
I'm not going to try to put words in your mouth - still, I think you and I are thinking along the same lines.

Here's how I see the Obama 'racist' charge.

Think back to past policy debates: a great example was when Dems trot out someone like Michael J Fox to champion a position. Or when Cindy Sheehan or others act as figureheads for policy positions.

Whether we're looking at Obama or Clinton, the left has attempted to insulate itself by bringing charges of "racism" or "sexism" when we tear into their policies or their potentially shady personal ties.

Sure, there are people who flat out won't vote for a black, a woman, or someone who has long hair or whatever. But to extrapolate to anyone who bashes Obama is wrong, IMO.

Attempting to deflect or silence debate by charging one with racism/sexism/prejudice can be an effective ploy. It's a charge conservatives have fought for decades.

Obama (assuming he's the nominee) will be in for a battle. For his supporters to cry foul and deflect to racism charges lowers the debate. I dare say most Reps could get behind someone like C Rice, M Steele, etc.

JJ,

Yes, I do understand your dislike of his supporters, but of the 9 C's that is charisma. One that is needed to be a great leader.

I for one like the idea that Obama has not gone into detail about change, it serves and served him well. Hopefully we will see more detail as to the change when debating with baghdadbob mccain.

As a manager (I know that you are) know that many leader arise below you that are inexperienced in the beginning but shine because of the greater ability to the flow of knowledge available.

You seemed to prefer the old fox in the hen house who has survived by tricky cunning rather than having a new young fox not yet having that ability. I would say that is not rational.

I have no ill will towards bashing Obama, but at least make it rationally factual and credible that it is Obama.

Stop trying to attribute other peoples misaligned character ills to Obama, it is out rightly unresponsible.

Obama is the nominee, and correctly so.

It is nothing but political hackery to suggest that this is not the case.

I for one am astounded at the right for not trouncing on the democratic party for their out right dismissal of actual election democracy, but the republican party is stupid that way, never able to actually face issues of importance to the actual people.

It's about time! Whatever.

Making the leap of wright to Obama would be like me making the leap of you(catholic) to pedephile priests. It would be stupid in certain avenues.

Posted by moneywar

come on, man. That was a weak analogy. I think the more proper analogy would be linking someone to a pedophile priest who happened to be that person's priest, and who simultaneously talked about the virtues of pedophilia.

You can only change the subject matter if you want to retain the validity of the analogy. Remember, Wright wasn't just a pastor of Obama's denomination, but Obama's pastor. Anything more is just hyperbole.

That said, I hope JeffJ is completely wrong about Obama because he's likely to be president... I'm afraid JeffJ may not be wrong though.

I think alot of Obama support comes from... actually, I don't know where it comes from... it's not like he has a record on the national stage.

Oh yeah, he's not McCain and HRC is a monster.

"You seemed to prefer the old fox in the hen house who has survived by tricky cunning rather than having a new young fox not yet having that ability. I would say that is not rational."

Posted by moneywar

I would say that somebody who expects to be president should have a little more than just three years of experience as a senator, especially when most of that time has been running for dem nominee for president.

I thought he would be the dream candidate of 2012 after demonstrating for at least a single full senate term that he was truly the man his rhetoric charges him with being.

Now, all we have to base our positive judgments on is hope, as in Moneywar's admission below. Now that's audacity.

"I for one like the idea that Obama has not gone into detail about change, it serves and served him well. Hopefully we will see more detail as to the change when debating with baghdadbob mccain."

Posted by moneywar

Hopefully indeed. I don't know if he should get any credit for being purposely vague about what his idea of change is... especially if its not something the majority of the country can support. we deserve to know what that idea is before we commit the next four years to this man.

I hate Hillary because she's a pathlogical lying liberal. Half the country agrees with me since before the campaign began. But we hope she stays in until the bitter end and trashes the dem party with her crazy feminist friends.

Fwthom - You're opposed to feminism?

As a manager (I know that you are) know that many leader arise below you that are inexperienced in the beginning but shine because of the greater ability to the flow of knowledge available.


Very true.



You seemed to prefer the old fox in the hen house who has survived by tricky cunning rather than having a new young fox not yet having that ability. I would say that is not rational.

POTUS is the highest office of the land. We are not talking about a middle management position at a 500 company. This is POTUS, for Pete's sake!

Moneywar,

I followed your link.

sounds like a chicken in every pot..

I wonder if he'll fund those ideas before or after he's dug us out of the hole Bush has put us into?

If the only place we hear about this stuff is on his website then he's not coming even close to getting the message out.... unless you're willing to forget about the 100million americans without internet access. Talk about elitism. But you're one of the ones supporting disenfranchisement of FL and MI, right? so I guess it should come as no surprise.

It just seems like phony excuses when I hear those who have previously voted for Bush try to pretend that "experience" is the reason they won't vote for Obama. There are obvious policy changes necessary and most have been discussed by Sen. Obama and John McCain. McCain simply takes an irresponsible position yet many of you cite his "experience" as a reason to vote for him. Probably many voters are not understanding the harm that is coming into their own personal lives due to the Bush tax cut for the rich that, though he originally was against it, McCain now supports making permanent. No one can even pretend that the budget can come anywhere near to balance with those tax cuts in place and we know we are facing inflation yet he is still willing to pander to the right by supporting making that tax cut permanent. If that is what "experience" brings I will choose "character" any day. No more politicians using irresponsible tax cuts or wedge issues to get elected without any thought to what is truely better for the country.
I used to respect John McCain but that was before he completely sacrificed his character in hopes of fulfilling his ambition. I don't see that character flaw in Obama. I'll take a person with character over a person with experience but not integrity any day.

unless you're willing to forget about the 100million americans without internet access.

Uh, what? Last time I checked pretty much every public library in the country has net terminals.

DOC SAVAGE,

I'm not against womeb's rights or the equality of women before the law. It should be in the constitution. I am against this crazy liberal radical feminism that hates men and sees a sexist behind every tree. These same radical feminists control our modern universities along with radical gay groups, radical blacks and comunists like William Ayers and Bernadette Dorn who happen to be Obama's buddies.

Uh, what? Last time I checked pretty much every public library in the country has net terminals.

Posted by ness_gadol

aren't you the same person arguing against the national voter id card due to the difficulties of getting people to registration centers?

How is getting to a library any easier? And how many of those 100 million without internet access would know what to do once there, and could make the 1/2 hour allotment at libraries worth anything?

Hagbard -

Come on - every candidate is about change. There was a candidate for Congress running here in Kentucky this week promising "a change in Washington" - and the guy's a Republican.

What would you have Obama do to boil down his platform? Would a few meaningless 10-second talking points make you feel better?

Real quick now, what does Hillary want to do to improve America?

I mean no disrespect to you (or Hillary). But it's not easy to talk about the complex issues that face this country in our soundbite-obsessed culture. The man has written two books talking about what he believes in. He's not keeping his thoughts secret.

she lost. shes a loser. get over it nags.

As crazy/destructive as bitches are especially when they don't get their way. I can see John McCain as the next president.

But, according to a Gallup daily tracking poll released Tuesday, her foundation of support is cracking: "Having previously captured nearly the maximum level of support from black voters, Obama's latest gains have come from a broad spectrum of rank-and-file Democrats. At least for now, he has expanded his position as the preferred candidate of men, young adults and highly educated Democrats, and has erased Clinton's advantages with most of her prior core constituency groups, including women, the less-well-educated and whites."

I think the maternal instinct will kick in for most women. They will consider the welfare of their kids when they vote and they will vote for Obama. I think lots of Clinton supporters are real disappointed right now and I understand that, I honestly do because I used to be one. It would be a wonderful thing to have a woman president finally after all these men but it's not to be, perhaps she will be the first female VP, we'll have to wait and see. But relly in the end women are more concerned about the future than men are I think, we think more about our kids than ourselves and another disappointment will just be filed with all the others.

Danni,


But relly in the end women are more concerned about the future than men are I think, we think more about our kids than ourselves


With all due respect, I think you are full of shit with this comment.

This nomination process had nothing to due with sexism and G. Ferroro is a loon. She thinks everything is sexist. HRC had no problem counting Mich and Florida out when she was leading and said that thier votes would not count but now that she is losing, she is a champion for any road that will lead her to some sort of victory.

That is why women don't run much now. They go against reasoning. Adam was just fine before that trick listened to a snake and she was convinced that the grass was greener on the otherside of the street. since that day, females have been making dumbass choices.

Hillary can't even run her own campaign. She is in debt in a campaign, how is she going to run a country? From all her different positions, you'd think she had 9 different personalities.

The only way she would leave is on June 5th when all the supers jump ship. She will be crying and whimpering at a podium somewhere saying to Bill, "Why me? Why me, Bill?" Then the secrect service comes in and try to drag her off the stage. They have her legs and she is clinging to the podium with all her might while yelling, "We can still win."

HRC is Pathetic

To his credit, Obama has pretty much stayed above playing the race card. -- JeffJ

Easy enough when the press and pols are willing to do it for him.

Clinton has had to fight her own battles.

Ferroro is angry because she got slapped down for a seemingly innocent statement. Now she is so bitter she rivals Gloria Alred.