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God's blessing? She got pregnant at 44! She pretty much chose to have a DS baby.

"In an age when many parents receive the news that they're carrying a baby with Down syndrome and then "terminate" the pregnancy"

YEAH!

OK, I will bite!

Show us the statistical data that indicates the number of occurrences that "many parents" terminate pregnancy because of a birth defect!

Regional specific or normative results will be fine.

Because without such data ----- a determination of "many parents" can't be arrived at and is worthless asinine speculation!

What Garbage this "article is! Wasn't reported? Try googling it!


But good for her! I frankly don't personally know a single person who would consider anything otherwise!

"Show us the statistical data that indicates the number of occurrences that "many parents" terminate pregnancy because of a birth defect!"

Even if a whole lot of people did it, so what? It's their business. The rest of society who may look down on people for deciding to terminate those pregnancies don't have to make the hard choice and may be rasiing perfectly healthy children.

It would be a bad thing if as a matter of public police the State force people to terminate such pregnancies, but as long as individuals make thoses decisions, who cares about the statistics.

"Even if a whole lot of people did it, so what?"

YEAH!

Im not arguing a single point you touch on, all im doing is pointing out the fallacy of this "articles" contention(s)!

God's blessing? She got pregnant at 44! She pretty much chose to have a DS baby.

Posted by ness_gadol

Yeah, at that age, the body loses its ability to naturally abort, something that happens far more often than conceptions that lead to birth.

And at 44, was the baby conceived naturally?

So RED... so many people don't consider an embryo as a true life. Do you really think that they would hesitate to abort a defective "fetus"...to take a chance on anything other than a perfect baby? I think for some couples, it would be a heartbreaking question of economics. Having the means to deal with a downs child makes the decision easier.
Are there any statistics kept for "reason"s for abortions...would people answer honestly?
Reminds me of exit polls about refusing to vote for a black POTUS...how many answer the question honestly?

Question:

What is more selfish:

1. Aborting a baby because it is not "perfect"

Or

2. Having the baby and subjecting the kid to a more difficult life just so the parents can prove to "society" how "good" they are?

"the author warns" ?!

WTF?!

"2. Having the baby and subjecting the kid to a more difficult life just so the parents can prove to "society" how "good" they are?"

Posted by member2586

I can appreciate where you're coming from , but I think that is a tricky distinction you draw there.

People almost always have children for selfish reasons. Actually, I can't think of a single unselfish reason.

If I were to side with you, I'd go further and argue that parents who through their own fault or their DNA's fault or whatever, who do not truly have the resources to raise their children, should not have those children.

Its that conclusion that keeps me from agreeing with you.

What is more selfish:

tough question, especially when you assume that having the baby is solely because the parents want to "prove to society how good they are"

If it isn't because they have love in their hearts for the unborn child then I would agree that it is very selfish.

parents want to "prove to society how good they are"



considering that this story was not made national news by the gov...I think she could get the benefit of the doubt here. But like I said...she apparently has the resources to deal with the challenge.
It has to be a very hard decision for people not as well off. The test simply tells you the baby may have downs...it doesn't say how severely handicapped the baby could be. Tough call.

so many people don't consider an embryo as a true life

YEAH!

Again ----- Numbers!

I don't dare make such an assumption based on Sean Hannitiitie "facts". How many people exactly (i.e. percentage)?

"Are there any statistics kept for "reasons for abortions...would people answer honestly?"

There you Go! It's perfect! You can say what ever you like, and then claim other people are dishonest! But your little exercise in tortured logic didn't stop the author of this garbage to claim "Many parents terminate" and you to subsequently go ditto to his assertion (even though you claim people aren't telling the truth before hand)!

It's a Tailored Made Issue for what's left of the "base" to get all riled up over!

Unfortunately its shit like this constantly coming from the "right" that's just so obviously disingenuous from the get-go that people are now immediately tuning you out!

This is a nice story.

It is interesting how conservatives and liberals are so alike. In other words, aboring babies that are "not perfect" is an "alarming" trend because the decision is an "economic" one?

Is this excuse gonna be used to legislate against this practice? Is the government gonna tell people now what babies they can and can't abort if the decision is "economic" ?

When we talk about regular abortion no one brings up this issue and yet I would imagine that many mothers-to-be condider the economic implications of what they are doing. It is interesting that only when it concerns "defective" babies that the "economic" argument comes out.

Whether or not people have the reasources, both financial and spiritual, to raise a "defective" child is an individual decision made by every couple. There is nothing "alarming" about that.

Member...I don't make a claim either way. I do not think it is my place to choose or judge people who do or do not abort for any reason.
I just think this story leads to some interesting discussion...if you disregard REDS crazy assed rantings.


And... the only push to legislate against abortion will come if they find a gay gene.

"there seems to be a consistent constituency of around forty percent for the current abortion regime, around twenty percent for the strict pro-life positions, and around forty percent for further restrictions of varying degrees."

YEAH!

But you have already stated that people lie when it comes to this (they don't answer honestly you said)!

Make up your fucking mind!

And im sorry --- I didn't know you were a brit (bad enough all on its own)!

"The UK's Daily Mail has revealed that British women are increasingly eliminating their unborn children because of non life-threatening deformities"

YEAH!

Oh, so this is a problem in Brittan then! The Author of article at the heart of this thread didn't say that it was a Eurowennie problem!?
Are you too talking about the same thing?

Just more proof to the insincerity of it all!

But you have already stated that people lie when it comes to this (they don't answer honestly you said)!

Make up your fucking mind


????

Again..."I asked "would people answer honestly?""

Keep trying, RED...

"Again..."I asked "would people answer honestly?""

Keep trying, RED...
Posted by kerrin57 at 2008-05-20 12:40 PM


YEAH!

Except for the fact you Implied (you say "asked") People Lied because you were unable to produce the statistics used to determine a conclusion of "In an age when many parents receive the news that they're carrying a baby with Down syndrome and then "terminate" the pregnancy" thus proving the entire premise of the article (i.e. garbage) is based entirely on an Assumption!

See, if you were smart you'd see what you and this "author" are doing is EXACTLY why the "republican" brand is in the shitter! But soldier on you do!

RED ...You are just too freakin nuts to reason with...so I won't !

"In an age when many parents receive the news that they're carrying a baby with Down syndrome and then "terminate" the pregnancy"

I'd really like to see stats on this. In all honesty, I have no sense of how many parents do what you state, let alone if "many" do.

It would make a very interesting study to compare what you discuss to the historic occurrence of infanticide. From what I understand (or at least what I remember from a physical anth class way back), infanticide of Down's babies (or babies with birth defects in general) was very common until somewhat recently.

........all of us PRO-CHOICERS support her right to choose........

........some of us may question the wisdom of giving birth at such an old age, and condemning the child to a life of retardation.........

........but hey........ its her womb, her choice.........

Yeah, Skiz, it's her choice. The Kerrins and other fetal rightists would, however, give the embryo a choice too. I wonder much much that embryo really wanted to come into a world where it will be held up as a shining example of "look how Christian we are." MOST Downs kids, I daresay, are thrown against walls by exasperated parents well before they graduate from kindergarten at age 12. herm

She walks the walk.

Why are some of you indicating that the life of a Downs Syndrome person is necessarily a bad life? Why? How? Some of those so impaired are among the most loving, happiest people about.

You're entering into philospohical territory and expressing prejudices without defining your terms or doing other than expressing a bias without providing any rationale for it.

The thing some of you appear to ignore is the truely personal nature of a choice like the one the good Governor had to make. I suspect there was more than one conversation with her doctors and perhaps even a few with her husband. In the end, she is lucky she lives in a country where she has that choice.

Imagine life in a theocracy where here would be no right to such a desicion.

**** Imagine life in a theocracy where here would be no right to such a desicion.
Posted by axe ****

.......do you mean Kansas ?.......

The Kerrins and other fetal rightists would, however, give the embryo a choice too

Herm...Senility? Need to vent?

When and where the hell have I ever said anything about forcing my beliefs on anyone? I am more libertarian than conservative on personal freedoms.
Have all your grandkids aborted if it suits you....I don't care.
I do not condemn or praise the madam gov...just thought the article it interesting.

Who's venting, K? Who said anything about your forcing your beliefs on rational folk? It's a bit late to abort 15-26-year-old grandkids. You're not responding to a thing I said. herm

down syndrome??

corky jr??