They should look for work in NYC since they are more tolerant of police misbehavior over there.

Thanks Liberals! Philly is basically a fucking war zone, but because some cops beat up three people who were fleeing from the scene of a shooting and one of them was the shooter, now we have 4 less cops keeping the good people of philadelphia safe.

The police commissioner and the mayor should be removed from office over this... 3 thugs who just tried to kill people get beat up so that they can't hurt any cops and the cops get fired... oh the shooters were black and so is mayor and police commissioner? Well I'm sure that's irrelevant...

The rep for the cops thinks this punishment will be reduced, so hopefully some good news will eventually come from this and these good cops who protect you fucking fruits can get back to work.

Mike Huckabee should have made a joke out of it.

And Rob, Liberals didn't make those idiots go ape-shit crazy.

Funny how you Rightys get woodies whenever you see somebody in uniform. I'm betting your hand was doing a Dr. Strangelove lift when you watched the video....

Rob-look at the bright side-these guys will be getting drunk and shooting Iraqi women and children with impunity (and Immunity) for Blackwater in a week....

And Rob, Liberals didn't make those idiots go ape-shit crazy.


They didn't go crazy at all... the weekend prior to this shooting three suspects shot and killed a philly cop who was approaching their vehicle. Now you have 3 thugs again fleeing the scene, at least one of them has a gun, so they took the necessary steps to subdue them and make sure no cops were hurt.

Side with the criminals NG... good little liberal.

Run from a cop, you deserve whatever you get.

Rule of Law and all that.

The inner city is the place that Krugman and liberals love. Why don't they move there and send their kids to school there? If those ghetto dwelling scum fucks come out here we'll be waiting for them and we won't be as nice as those Philly cops.

I didn't see anyone fleeing. They looked like they were dragged from the car. Also, I was under the impression that the guys were unarmed.

Drug dealers being beaten, what is the fucking problem here?

Nabe some of these bleeding heart liberals should invite these poor souls to come live with them. Maybe they coud change the lives of these poor drug dalers.

Do any of you liberals see the problems these drug dalers are causing or are a part of? Just look at Mexican border towns for one example.

I didn't see anyone fleeing. They looked like they were dragged from the car. Also, I was under the impression that the guys were unarmed.

Posted by bperk


Right... 18 cops typically show up for a random traffic stop... they were fleeing in their car and eventually had to stop, that's when the cops got to them.

As for being unarmed, maybe they threw the gun out the window, but how are the cops to know that? All they know is that they were fleeing the scene of a shooting and the shooter was in the car.

"ROB THE A HOLE"...I know its hard for you RACIST pricks to understand, but the reason these 4 PIGS were fired is because, now listen I know the concept is difficult for you, but we in this Country have such a thing called the CONSTITUTION, which offer to it citizens certain rights.

Now try an follow this, the Police arrest, the DA takes the criminal to trial, than the Judge or Jury decides the punishmnent. Police don't get to do all three by themselves. Clearly you an your kind feel that if the person is arrested they must have done something wrong, so therefore the Police have the rights to do anything that they want to them, including beating the hell out of them.

I pray for the day you are stopped for a trafic ticket or for any reason an the Cops beat the hell out of you, maybe then just for an instant you understand what Black American go through every day. You are a RACIST ASSHOLE, when the Blacks have had enough an the riots start I hope the get you first!!!

Democrats want to give the government more power, but then complain about it. You can't have it both ways and be held seriously.

Celisary, everytime I have been pulled over its the same routine... pull far enough over that the officer is as far from traffic as possible, dome light on, engine off, hands clearly visible on the wheel, respond to every question or comment with a "yes, sir" or "no, sir." Shockingly I've never been beaten by cops...

Oh yeah, I also never run from them after shooting up a club as these three thugs did...

I thought you were coming for me when the riots/revolution starts? Did you pussy out? I knew you would!

A_HOLE,

These particular thugs did not shoot at any cops, but fellow-scumbag drug dealers. Still pieces of shit nonetheless. Of course they were clearly armed and dangerous at the time of arrest, and the cops had every right to use very serious force to get these scumbags subdued, and make sure no cops get hurt. If they resisted arrest with the cops knowing they were armed and just involved in a shootout, then they could have head their heads slammed to the pavement for all I care.

But you see, once a criminal is subdued, aka prostrate, cuffed, etc., that individual is no longer a threat to the cops and the arrest is complete. They book the criminals, they go to trial, and they go to jail. That's how it works. So why the kicks in the head after the suspects were subdued? More than likely vengeance for the cop that was killed days earlier. Do you want cops abusing you for something that was done to that cop by somebody else? There is a lot of police brutality where I come from, and cops often treat everybody, if not as a criminal, as a "potential" criminal. When cops get that bitter or vengeful, "protect and serve" is out the fucking window, and these bitter cops need to go become a shriff in Mayberry or find a new line of work. I don't want my head bashed in because cops are "blowing off steam" about something that had nothing to do with me.

You see. These are nuances you probably intentionally overlook in your typical world of black or white, all or nothing solutions. Everything you don't approve of can be attributed to liberals and everything you support is a result of right-winge brilliance. You have no capacity for analysis beyond petty, partisan name-calling, which makes your posts more often than not, quite childlike.

celisary is a pussy, I can just see him in the Jim Baker pose as he is confronted by anyone.

I don't want my head bashed in because cops are "blowing off steam" about something that had nothing to do with me.

And I don't want members of my family robbed, raped, shot, killed because you liberal fags want to cuddle with these fucking gang members. Philadelphia is less safe now then it was before these officers were fired... which is fucked up because Philly was in a world of shit when they had all these cops.

Everything you don't approve of can be attributed to liberals and everything you support is a result of right-winge brilliance.

Really like how I'm staunchly opposed to the death penalty? OH you're full of shit? that's right I forgot.

If you break the law, you get punished. Works for everyone, citizens and cops alike.

Now the right is moaning and pissing its pants because it thinks that a badge or uniform is a sign of virtue, of what is right, of what must be listened to and obeyed, regardless of the circumstances...that's in fairy tales kids, the world is not so nice, nor are the powers that govern it.

"08R4EVER"....The only pussy I like is your MaMas your girls are not bad either, being a Racist Prick does not make you a tough guy, you know nothing about me, I know everything I need to know about your, Racist Fuck!!!

"ROB THE A HOLE"....Name fits by the way, listen Asshole when the Revolution starts, the Blacks will have a better go at you, unless you are one of those Racist Pricks that are really nice to minorities when you are alone with them but at those Klan meetings you can let your hair down, either way you an your will get whats coming....

Now the right is moaning and pissing its pants because it thinks that a badge or uniform is a sign of virtue, of what is right, of what must be listened to and obeyed, regardless of the circumstances...

Posted by panchovilla

Actually, most people do think that. Its why cop killers automatically are charged with a capital crime in many states, because their lives are worth more than the rest of ours.

And panco thinks we should all sit around and sing cumbyah with these fucking drug dealers. I suggest you basement dwellers leave your parents houses and get out in the real world.

Drug dealers deserve to be beaten.

Damn Celery(sp?).

Lighten up.

Chill out, we only go round once and never know when we are gonna be finished.

Thanks Liberals! Philly is basically a fucking war zone, but because some cops beat up three people who were fleeing from the scene of a shooting and one of them was the shooter, now we have 4 less cops keeping the good people of philadelphia safe.

The police commissioner and the mayor should be removed from office over this... 3 thugs who just tried to kill people get beat up so that they can't hurt any cops and the cops get fired... oh the shooters were black and so is mayor and police commissioner? Well I'm sure that's irrelevant...


The rep for the cops thinks this punishment will be reduced, so hopefully some good news will eventually come from this and these good cops who protect you fucking fruits can get back to work.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at


I always knew that you were a fucking idiotic moron Rob, but this takes the cake.

To think that some hasn't put you out of your misery by now is a true shame.

When you learn the role that Police are supposed to play in our society, you'll fuck yourself in your own ass for this comment. Until then chew on a bullet or two for us all please.

Actually, most people do think that. Its why cop killers automatically are charged with a capital crime in many states, because their lives are worth more than the rest of ours.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-05-20 11:16 AM | Reply |

A straight cop deserves that, sure, but as we all know, they are not infallible...nothing is. The perception that they are above it all, that they are absolute bearers of justice, in part, is the reason your country is in the shitter right now. You've been duped.

And panco thinks we should all sit around and sing cumbyah with these fucking drug dealers. I suggest you basement dwellers leave your parents houses and get out in the real world.

Drug dealers deserve to be beaten.

Posted by 08r4ever at 2008-05-20 11:18 AM | Reply |

Not even close, I try to approach things with whatever objectivity I can muster under the circumstances. Must be nice living in your black and white world. Maybe not nice, but at least very simple.

Celisary, you're a crazy fuck who isn't coming to get anyone... seek help fruity... you're nothing, and you will always be nothing.

PS you're Caps Lock key called, it says to calm the fuck down...

Drug dealers deserve to be beaten.

Posted by 08r4ever

Amen to that!!

Pancho,

Having been in the publc safety arena for 34 years I think I have a beetter picture of what is actually going on than you do.

PS you're Caps Lock key called, it says to calm the fuck down...
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Funny Flag... even though I don't agree with you.

"The perception that they are above it all, that they are absolute bearers of justice, in part, is the reason your country is in the shitter right now. You've been duped."
Posted by panchovilla

Not exactly duped, but intimidated into going along with the idea. I think there is this unspoken fear that the police will abandon their duties unless we go along with how they see fit to do their jobs.

The blue wall is a more important term to alot of people than the term "to protect and serve." Hence the opposition to civilian complaint review boards.

Its more important to look respectable than actually to be respectable.... to paraphrase vidal sassoon... or was it fernando lamas?

publc safety arena...

what does that mean, precisely?

if you're going to use it as proof that you are very smart and we're all very stupid.... I think we have a right to know.

Firefighter

"08R4EVER"....The only pussy I like is your MaMas your girls are not bad either...

Posted by celisary

True to form for a lib.

Firefighter

Posted by 08r4ever

You do know that the only people you'll convince that your experience means you have some relevent opinions are definitely not police officers, right?

The police are laughing in your face right now with that statement.

And I can tell you aren't FDNY... there are few righties left there after all the b.s. post 9/11.

Ridicule aside, thank you for being a firefighter. Sincerely.

When there's a post about how dem's are setting fire to their own party, you are definitely one I want to hear from.

celisary,

True to lib form. Since my mother has been dead longer than you have been alive and the fact I do not have daughters means you must like cock.

If they are drug dealers, then throw them in jail. How are we safer if cops beat suspects? Subdue suspects, then throw them in jail. People are safer if they have a good relationship with law enforcement. But, allowing the police to kick unarmed suspects in the head would do nothing but make us less safe. We have to be able to trust police officers.

Wobbie,

Please express my condolences to your mother. I'm sure having the fruit of her loins turn out to be such a nasty little peckerwood is an endless disappointment.

Now go hide under your bed.

Please express my condolences to your mother.

Will do...

She says go fuck yourself.

Well these 4 cops will get payback when the Department of corrections get there hands on these killers. The four cops should be given a parade and keys to the city but I am sure that gang member from the ghetto will steal those keys at gun point

I thought the FDNY will support what ever party keeps uneducated minorities off the job

Hag,

are you a cop or ust talking out your ass? You obviously know nothing of the relationship between polce and fire.

Who do you think responds to the shootings, stabbings, beatings, O.D.'s, etc? Fire, Polce, EMS.
We see it ALL. And it ain't pretty.

Damn. Cops being held accountable. What a novel idea.

BTW that was how Giuliani cut crime in NY, by allowing Clinton to supply the extra police to do it.

Danni, it ain't Republicans or conservatives that are responsible for these 4 brave cops being off the streets today... its liberal bags of shit who would rather hug a gang member then throw him in jail...

are you a cop or ust talking out your ass?
Posted by 08r4ever

you think a statement like that could come from either a cop or a person talking out his ass?

That says alot about how you feel about the police... Jealous much?

We see it ALL.
Posted by 08r4ever

I've seen whole games of baseball. does it mean that I know what it's like to be a professional baseball player?

BTW that was how Giuliani cut crime in NY, by allowing Clinton to supply the extra police to do it.

Posted by danni

It was alot more complicated than that, danni....
I think the robust economy of the 90's had its role too.

and nyc isn't as free as it used to be.

Pancho,

Having been in the publc safety arena for 34 years I think I have a beetter picture of what is actually going on than you do.

Posted by 08r4ever at 2008-05-20 11:39 AM | Reply |

Firefighter

Posted by 08r4ever at 2008-05-20 11:46 AM | Reply |

No offense, but you must be kidding, right? In any case, in your great, intimate knowledge of the "public safety arena", you must already know that at times, bad apples and corruption sneak into the "arena" and need to be weeded out. That these bad apples, if left unchecked, can taint an entire organization and blow its credibility to shitsville.

I may not be as familiar with law enforcement as you, but I have a few friends that are: a buddy that works undercover for the RCMP and a friend who is commander of a station here in Montreal. We've had a few open discussions on the matter of the thin blue line, corruption, gangs, etc. Hell, if they can admit that things people are not always perfect (yes, even cops), why can't you?

" its liberal bags of shit who would rather hug a gang member then throw him in jail..."

They would still have their jobs and liberals as well as conservatives would be applauding them had they thrown these guys in jail instead of beating them. Since when do we want the police to be judge and jury? Today it's a gang member but it is a very slippery slope with police power, ask most black men who grew up in America before 1965.

" its liberal bags of shit who would rather hug a gang member then throw him in jail..."

They would still have their jobs and liberals as well as conservatives would be applauding them had they thrown these guys in jail instead of beating them. Since when do we want the police to be judge and jury? Today it's a gang member but it is a very slippery slope with police power, ask most black men who grew up in America before 1965.
I remember the Miami riots of 1979 (I think) which were provoked by the acquittal of police officers who had beaten an insurance salesman to death, he was unarmed and had done nothing wrong. When the government demonstrates that there is no semblance of justice (as it did in the Miami McDuffy case) then often the community takes justice into its own hands. Not a pretty sight, trust me on that.

"Philadelphia is less safe now then it was before these officers were fired... which is fucked up because Philly was in a world of shit when they had all these cops."

You're so full of shit. Using hyperbole as usual instead of making even a semblance of a real point. Taking four cops off the streets changes jack shit. If the city was a shit hole with them and it will continue to be a shit hole without them.

By the way, cops don't really protect anyone, they clean up the aftermath.

Danni, I applaud them for beating them... they just shot at people and then fled in their cars.

I, unlike you apparently, would rather not see more dead police officers.

Drug dealers deserve to be beaten.

Posted by 08r4ever

Amen to that!!

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-20 11:34 AM

Including the one you bought your weed from in college?

The police commissioner and the mayor should be removed from office over this... 3 thugs who just tried to kill people get beat up so that they can't hurt any cops and the cops get fired... oh the shooters were black and so is mayor and police commissioner? Well I'm sure that's irrelevant...

the weekend prior to this shooting three suspects shot and killed a philly cop who was approaching their vehicle.

Now you have 3 thugs again fleeing the scene, at least one of them has a gun, so they took the necessary steps to subdue them and make sure no cops were hurt.

Philadelphia is less safe now then it was before these officers were fired... which is fucked up because Philly was in a world of shit when they had all these cops.

Celisary, everytime I have been pulled over its the same routine...

In all seriousness I hope they are exonerated and put back on the streets protecting the GOOD people of Philly and smashing the skulls of the gang members and drug dealers like the three in the video.

"I, unlike you apparently, would rather not see more dead police officers."

Gee Rob, that is a pathetic response, even for you.
Laughable.
You know you've lost an argument when you resort to making idiotic statements like that.

Danni, those cops were taking the necessary steps to make sure they all went home safe that night... the three people in the car just tried to commit murder, and then took off in their car. You think the cops should be fired for their actions... If they went up to the car the way you wanted its more likely one of them could have been shot.

pancho,

Canadian Police, might as well send in the boy scouts.

Hag,

Thanks for the laugh. Poor little fool.

Actually none of them had a gun, get your facts straight

Actually one of them is charged in the shooting that they were fleeing from... How were the cops to know that he chucked it from the car before stopping... as far as the situation is concerned, he had a gun.

The "GOOD" people of Philly? Who the hell is that?

Taxpaying, law abiding citizens who just want to get up, go to work and take care of their families... that is who these cops are protecting, and if they have to crack a few drug dealing murderer skulls to do it I say bravo...

Really hope arbitration sides with the cops and they're back on the streets... gonna be hilarious...

If I was in charge of hiring I would be more than happy to hire any or all of these policemen to work out here in exurbia. These policemen have so much experience dealing with the scum of the earth that this job would be a cakewalk for them. Not only could they gain a perspective on how normal people live but these police could get the respect that they so well deserve.

"the three people in the car just tried to commit murder"

They were SUSPECTED of trying to commit murder.

"If they went up to the car the way you wanted its more likely one of them could have been shot."

Except there was no gun found in the vehicle.

Even if there was, isn't the point of police training to teach them how to handle these types of situations appropriately? For some reason I doubt they learned what we saw in the academy.

Including the one you bought your weed from in college?

Posted by itsme at

Never liked weed... beer and whiskey were pretty much all I touched... now my room mates and fraternity brothers couldn't get enough of the stuff...

Well, I would love to sit here and chat with you trolls, but I am off to play 18.

I hate retirement.

I suggest you basement dwellers get out and get some sun and fresh air.


Adios

So...you didn't smoke weed in college Wobbie?

Except there was no gun found in the vehicle.

No way for the cops to know that... that they were suspected of the shooting and were trying to escape in their car is reason enough...

BTW as to your cops just clean up the aftermath nonsense, that is some of the worst bullshit I've ever heard... a cop by his very presence is a crime deterent... so by removing 4 cops from the streets of philly you have created a situation where we are less safe then we were before.

So...you didn't smoke weed in college Wobbie?

Posted by itsme


I wouldn't say that... Beer and liquors were just the majority

Posted by 08r4ever at 2008-05-20 12:26 PM

I think you've inhaled a little too much smoke in your 34 years in the public safety arena. Be sure to take your cart for the back 9 at least.

Danni, those cops were taking the necessary steps to make sure they all went home safe that night... the three people in the car just tried to commit murder, and then took off in their car.

The kicks in the head and everything? I always find it shocking that people can justify that sort of excess because the guys have a badge. Most of it is cultural. If you grew up in a community where the cops were good and always helped you, then you believe that they are basically good and just trying to get home. If you grew up in a community where the cops harrassed you when you weren't doing anything wrong, then you view many cops as just bullies with authority. People with these opposing views are hostile to evidence contrary to their beliefs.

I always find it shocking that people can justify that sort of excess because the guys have a badge.

No, not because they had a badge, but because of what the three in the car had done and were fleeing from...

Their actions lead to what happened.

"If you grew up in a community where the cops harrassed you when you weren't doing anything wrong, then you view many cops as just bullies with authority."

Usually it is just a matter of which side of the tracks, so to speak, you are from.

Kerrin says:
"Abusive officers are rare..."

hahahaha, then why do we get actual footage of them beating people so often and you have to admit that what is actually filmed can't be a very large percentage of the numbers of times it happens.
I've know some very good cops, I have also known a lot of fucking assholes with badges.

"BTW as to your cops just clean up the aftermath nonsense, that is some of the worst bullshit I've ever heard... a cop by his very presence is a crime deterent... so by removing 4 cops from the streets of philly you have created a situation where we are less safe then we were before."

Sure, a cop's PRESENCE is a deterrent, but how often are people actually in the presence of a cop? As we all know, crime is still rampant despite the thousands of police employed across the country.

So yes, they clean up the aftermath of a previously perpetrated crime as that is the prerequisite of being a criminal. Arresting someone after the face does DICK to protect the person already victimized.

And the removal of four officers won't make a difference whether you admit it or not.

Their actions lead to what happened.

Do you think that this was more than necessary in order to subdue the suspects and ensure the safety of the officers?

Sure, a cop's PRESENCE is a deterrent, but how often are people actually in the presence of a cop?

Yeah, I wish cops had more of a community policing presence. They were assigned to a small area, and could get to know the people in the neighborhood. Hang out on the blocks. Be a presence at the local little league game. Pipe dream. But, it seems to me it would be a more effective deterrent than building more and more prisons.

And we all know these four cops won't be replace...right????

Rob I agree with you when you say their actions led to the circumstance of getting pulled over and yes I think officers need to use force to make sure they are safe in an instance like this.

The issue is when excessive force is used and when officers can't control their adrenaline or anger. At some point the suspects are subdued and there is no reason to hit them, beat them, or kick them in the head.

Do they need to be fired for what they did is the question. I say maybe or maybe not because what is the track record for each of them. For an officer with a track record of not being in control you can argue yes for someone where this is a first offense then I'd say send them to some classes, demote, re-train, etc.

You say a cop or some cops have recently been killed while on duty then I can understand a heightened sense and a desire to kick the shit out of these guys. It really comes down to control and knowing when to say when and that time is once they are subdued and the cops are not in harms way.

I have to agree with Danni on one point. I think the majority of cops are great citizens that protect us from the bad guys. The small minority are revenge/thrill seekers or big hipocrits.

The larger picture is this: Problems in the inner city are completely intractable. The people who live there are wrong about everything. Here are some examples:
1. Cops are the root of all crimes, especially if they are White cops.
2. Not marrying the mother of your children is a good idea (75%).
3. The reason the kids can't or won't learn is the fault of the teachers.
4. Actually studying hard in school is "acting white."
5. Not working and collecting welfare is cool.
6. Using and selling drugs is a great idea.
7. The government should rebuild the inner cities.

Seems that we should go back to Clinton's plan of using federal dollars to put thousands more police officers on the streets, especially in inner cities. Crime went down when that plan was instituted. Crime went back up when the money for such additional police was taken away. It's a matter of priorities.

FWTHOM -- You make some good points; however, some of these points also extrapolate to some of the most rural (read - predominantly) white areas too. The wording is changed a little to fit the opposite stereotypes. You have be responsible for your actions first; however, you also need to know self control too. Read what I wrote and I don't place blame and immediately call for knee jerk reactions, but rational thoughts on this one.

Now you have 3 thugs again fleeing the scene, at least one of them has a gun.

As for being unarmed, maybe they threw the gun out the window,

So what is it Rob? Did they have guns or did they throw them out the window?

Sounds like apologisitic bullshit if you ask me.

Once the suspects are subdued and in custody, any additional physical force is unwarranted and grounds for dismissal.

To Protect and Serve. Not Beat the Crap out of a helpless suspect. A totlitarian repressive police state may very well be your wet dream, but not in the United States.

MIDDLE OF THE ROAD,

Normally I would say that if you have namby pamby equivocations, you shouldn't be on DR. This place is for people who put hot sauce and jalapena peppers on their opinions. But, you have a point about certain rural White folks who are wrong about life too.

so by removing 4 cops from the streets of philly you have created a situation where we are less safe then we were before.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Yeah, no one else will ever apply for another police job ever in Philly. No police officers will ever retire, or be injured or killed so the police had NO plans for replacements. None whatsoever. Why I am sure that there are no police training academies anywhere in the United States right now just ready to train new police officers. We as a society are doomed and have to live in fear that our current police officers will never ever be replaced.

Get real.

If I was in charge of hiring

Posted by fwthom


But you're not cupcake. And the rest of your paragraph explains why.

Looks like Rob and 08R4Ever wish they were those two girls pulled over by the Bad Lieutenant. "Please Mr. Bad Lieutenant, give me another pearl necklace. Oh, thank you, thank you for keeping us so safe!"

For guys who try to act so tough all the time, you sure are awfully scared of the bogey man.

"Please Mr. Bad Lieutenant, give me another pearl necklace. Oh, thank you, thank you for keeping us so safe!"

Been peaking at your whore of a sister's diary again monte? Turn to page 45, where she takes on 8 black guys at once... what a who-wa...

Come on, Rob. That was weak. You usually are much more creative than that.

Rob -- do you feel this way because the Eagles just can't win the big one? Just trying to bring some levity to a conversation that has digressed into a debate to whose sister is the biggest whore.

Yeah Monte, your "Hiding under your bed from the boogie man" has NEVER been used before...

Rob -- do you feel this way because the Eagles just can't win the big one?

Yeah that's part of it, thanks for the reminder dick! LOL...

If they don't win it this year, they're heading into a long period of last or second to last in the NFC East I think. Looks like its Donovan's last year, which sucks, but also may be Reid's last year, which would rock.

God I miss football... hockey is for queers.

Rob - So what you're saying is the Eagles are headed back to the 1990's again. I concur on McNabb and stinks he hasn't won the big one.

On topic...my question to you is why according to your above posts you give police officers a blank check to do whatever they want without some necessary oversight and possibly a suspension, demotion, or firing just like any other job. These guys have a tough job and according to you have/had lost a few comrades recently. Do you agree (or disagree) that ONCE the subjects are no longer a threat then there is no reason for kicking, punching, beating, etc. other than for revenge. Do you agree (or disagree) at that time a police officer should show calm restraint and put the perp in the car and let the justice system take over.

What are your thoughts. BTW - if you think hockey is for queers you watch way too many Flyers games, LOL.

if you think hockey is for queers you watch way too many Flyers games, LOL.


Go Wings!

pancho,

Canadian Police, might as well send in the boy scouts.

Posted by 08r4ever at 2008-05-20 12:23 PM | Reply |

Might as well cut and paste blank space instead of replying with something so trite and boring. Makes you POV much easier to understand though...non-existant and non-defendable...run away little man.

Rob - So what you're saying is the Eagles are headed back to the 1990's again. I concur on McNabb and stinks he hasn't won the big one.

Yeah, I see them heading into a rebuilding era for a few seasons at least... could be wrong though, its happened once or twice before. A lot of their leaders and playmakers are getting on in years though... and Andy Reid and Eagles management have this arrogance about them that they don't need big time players in their system. that's why they only gave McNabb a true #1 reciever for a season and a half (T.O.).

McNabb is a bit of a prima donna but he's better then most QBs in the league and we should hold onto him. If I were their GM I'd be on the horn every day with the Lions or Cinci asking what they want for Roy Williams or Chad Johnson...

Go Wings!

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-05-20 02:55 PM | Reply |

Just for that, I'll have to side with sid.

Now as to your questions about cops and why I'm willing to give them a pass in this situation, I simply look at the situation. Just recently they had a fellow officer gunned down because he approached a vehicle with 3 thugs in it just like this situation. Naturally that is on the mind of every philly cop. So now they're told of a shooting, and they get into a chase with the suspects. When they finally get them to stop, all 18 rush at the vehicle at once... do they have a gun? Who knows, I'm not going to ask them to take the risk. Should they be kicking or punching people once they are subdued or cuffed? No, of course not... however given the circumstances of this crime and chase along with the murder of one of their fellow officers, yeah I'm gonna give them a little lattitude.

If they were just suspended I'd have less of a problem with this... It sends a message to the cops but also 4 good brave men keep their jobs...

Furthermore that job is protecting me, my family, you, your family, everyone and everyone's families here... I think a lot of people on the left forget that way too often.

I'll have to side with sid.


For as much hockey as I watch, I've never seen him play - the Wings haven't played the Pens in over a year.

I understand he's an amazing hockey player.

Go Wings!

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-05-20 02:55 PM | Reply |

Followed him a bit, seems every time he needs to, he brings his game up a notch.

I would like Ray Kelly to hire these foure cops and put them in NYC's Emergencies Services Unit. We need to atttack the inner city more aggressively. Every project in the outter boros should have 24/7 police presence

I would like Ray Kelly to hire these foure cops and put them in NYC's Emergencies Services Unit. We need to atttack the inner city more aggressively. Every project in the outter boros should have 24/7 police presence

Posted by timbci at 2008-05-20 03:36 PM | Reply |

How bout we just put 'em on your case: every time you say something as blithely stupid as you usually do, they can beat the shit out of you. Hell, I'll even throw in 6 months pay for one of them just to put your purple-bleeddy ass on youtube, attesting to the great work they are doing, and low and behold: I'll agree with you.

Rob - Thanks for the response. I read a lot but haven't posted much (read often though) and this is exactly what I thought you would say. Very rational and thought out. Why not say this up front or do you just like to ruffle feathers for fun?

Debate with Rob = Pointless

Why not say this up front or do you just like to ruffle feathers for fun?


Rob ruffle feathers for fun?

Never!

Only four fired, huh? I guess the others were just caught up in the moment!

Bring back Frank Rizzo, and kill 'em all.

Debate with Rob = Pointless

Posted by KnightHawk


And yet everyone does it...

why don't you whine some more about it, you lil' bitch...

Rob ruffle feathers for fun?

Never!

Posted by JeffJ


lol... I'd never!

This is our fault. We have let them get away with so much, its virtualy expected.

Then we wonder why certain people hate cops.

why don't you whine some more about it, you lil' bitch...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-20 04:09 PM

An actual quote from Mrs. Asshole to Wobbie on a Saturday night.

"Charlotte is a war zone also.
thetrenchcoat.com

Posted by kerrin57 at 2008-05-20 12:27 PM"

You pants-pissers crack me up!

"Should they be kicking or punching people once they are subdued or cuffed? No, of course not...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-05-20 03:11 PM"

Well, since that's what this is about, I guess you could have saved yourself some time here today. All of your deflections about worrying about a gun, officer safety, etc. were taken care of once the suspects were cuffed and subdued. But thanks for your thoughts about other possible incidents that have nothing to with what happened in this case.

Well, since that's what this is about

Amazing you can tell from a grainy helicopter video that 3 suspects who each have like 4 cops on them are cuffed and of no threat... I saw officers punching and kicking, but I didn't see them in cuffs... that's some eyesight you have there...

So the cops were a little revved up by the chase, excitement and all. Maybe a one day suspension would have been in order for getting caught on tape.

As someone noted, these are the cops who were caught on tape. This type of policing is not rare. It's a war zone out there. Not for this realistic response, these criminals would be running even more rampant. The criminals themselves know they deserve the beatings they get, and generally don't complain. They are not the pussified liberal creeps, who live on latte, wine and cheese, and pontificate regarding right and wrong.

It's an assumption of risk situation. Run. Have it likely you have a gun. Be certain that the people following you are aroused. Get your ass kicked, and be thankful that you were lucky enough not to be shot.

Let's take our streets back! More ass-whippings are overdue.

Per BusyB: "Let's take our streets back! More ass-whippings are overdue."

Spoken like a true pansy keyboard warrior. What a joke.

Leave me alone Mod8....you know not what you talk about. Whose side are you on....the cops or the criminals? Normally pussies like you succumb to the bullies, 'cause you're too wee in nerve to stand your ground and fight for the right. And, since you're a pussy, you demand that everyone else be too.

The Enigma of American Justice!

The victims in this Philly cop,highway beating are still living yet so far 4 of Philly's Finest have been fired.
Meanwhile Bush and Cheney instigated an illegal "Oil" war on Iraq and perpetrated the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people - but they still have their jobs don't they!
The lawyers for these Philly cops should raise this very important point in their defense!

"The Enigma of American Justice!"

Not to mention the smegma.

The problem here is drug money. Get the money out of drugs and the problem is solved in one generation. Don't get the money out of drugs and the problem goes on for thousands of years--until people get smart enough to get the money out of drugs.

Punishment and jail time hasn't stopped the drug problem in the last hundred years. It should be evident that it won't stop the problem in the next hundred years, or the next thousand years, or the next ten thousand years. Get the money out of drugs, and it stops with this generation.

Now let's see who's bright enough to figure out how to do this. Anyone?

Four Philly Cops Fired over Filmed Beating

Why? Because they didn't use a union camera crew?

Now let's see who's bright enough to figure out how to do this. Anyone?

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-20 11:48

You're right, BuffaloBob. The billions spent trying to stop the drug cartels could instead be spent on helping people with drug addiction and put them in rehabs if they wanted to kick their habit, or if they don't want to stop using their drug of choice, at least the drug war billions could instead all be spent in monitoring their drug habit and making sure they don't end up dead by using the poisoned crap sold on the street corners by the dealers.

Drug addiction and people's desire for different types of drugs will never be stopped. But we can stop the drug cartels in their tracks by making their ton of coke worth no more than $50 because the government could be the one who supplies to the coke/heroin/pot/whatever at cost to the one who wants to use it. The drug dealers would be out of business in one week.

As for the people with the addiction, that's another whole area to deal with but at least the billions the government now spends for this neverending phony 'war on drugs' could be used instead to help the drug user rather than allowing all the profits to go to the drug dealer.

from the article:

...Some of the officers were seen in a 67-second video dragging the suspects out of the car and kicking and punching them while they lay on the ground....

Hey, at least the cops didn't shoot them. Maybe the guys in the car were yelling all kinds of abuses at the cops or threatening them. All we saw was the video. No one was on the ground hearing the words exchanged except the cops and the suspects in the drug-related shooting. I hope some of you anti-cop types realize that the cops are not dealing with local boys scouts here.

Will the money saved abandoning the war on drugs pay for the cost to society?

Yes, but it won't make up for the deficit in that war. In the words of tank-less water-heater salesmen everywhere, "it'll pay for itself".

My next plumbing project will be to install a water softener. The water in SA is so hard, I can't even get the soap to lather in the shower. It's awful.

How can tankless water heaters save one from foreclosure?

Goat

...Will the money saved abandoning the war on drugs pay for the cost to society?....

I doubt it. You will never wipe out drug addiction or people wanting drugs for occasional use.

I touched on that part when I wrote:

...Drug addiction and people's desire for different types of drugs will never be stopped.... As for the people with the addiction, that's another whole area to deal with but at least the billions the government now spends for this neverending phony 'war on drugs' could be used instead to help the drug user...

But, rather than spend billions having to hire more cops to fight the drug cartels/gangs wouldn't you rather see our cops instead be free to fight all the other crimes -- murder, robbery, rape, etc. on the streets of our cities. Right now so many of our cops are used to fight drug gangs and the crimes associated with them that there aren't enough cops left to fight all the other crimes committed.

Also, by not using those billions to fight the drug cartels (since they'd be out of business) the billions formerly used to for the war on drugs could instead be spent instead on making programs available to helping cure some of those ills in society that drug addiction brings -- domestic violence, battered wives, kids with drug addicted parents, lives wasted.

I'd rather see more money be made available for drug counselers and social workers to help counsel and work with the families who must live with the drug addicts and have our cops on the street fighting other crimes that also are "a cost to society." Do you see what I'm trying to say?