"Most Muslims around the world agree: A child of a Muslim father is a Muslim. Period. "

says the christian science monitor

and me as a muslim says. wrong again buddy

no muslim considers him a muslim

we consider him as someone who has knowledge of muslims which will help him better lead a country that has to walk a thin line when battling militant extremist muslims while not battling main stream followers of the faith.

christian science monitor!! hahahahahahahaha!

Corky You and JeffJ are two peas in a fucking pod. It is disgusting and vile to the nth degree. What a shame really.

Larry Mohr

WHAT?!? You mean that if Obama were the President of the US that terrorists might want to assassinate him?


Oh no, we can't have that. I guess we will have to vote for McCain then since no terrorist would possibly be interested in offing him since his father wasn't muslim. Otherwise I guess we'd have to create some sort of secretive security force dedicated to protecting the life of the President if Obama were to be elected.

Corky's straws keep getting shorter and shorter.

"Most Muslims around the world agree: A child of a Muslim father is a Muslim. Period. "

As I've mentioned before, my partner is from Indonesia, with the world's largest Muslim population. He is a Catholic, and the son of a Muslim father.

While radical Islamists may consider he and Obama apostates, mainstream Muslims do not.

But good on ya Cork, reusing old, used propaganda again. Save the Earth - recycle!

But good on ya Cork, reusing old, used propaganda again. Save the Earth - recycle!

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-05-19 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Just think. Corky and JeffJ are recycling their thought processes than creating new ones. Since they are doing this they are not creating more pollutants in the cranial cavities. Just a FYI.

Larry Mohr

my partner is from Indonesia

Rendang + Javanese gamelan = Heaven

"Rendang + Javanese gamelan = Heaven"

Oh yeah! Love rendang!

Okay let me get this straight, cause I am really trying to understand the anti Obama stance here, I really am, you know I just want to get it straight. Okay so here we go, he is a muslim cause he was born of a muslim father, despite the fact that his mother was a white christian woman so we should fear him cause god (allah) forbid he will strap on a bomb and blow up the most important person in the US (wait that is the president, never mind forget I said that). So he is a RADICAL BLACK CHRISTIAN who sat in Reverend Wright's church for 20 years and listened to his anti-american venom because after all he was able to do that because all along he WASN'T A CHRISTIAN he was a closet-muslim whose only mission is to become the president and in the ultimate act of sacrifice to Allah he is going to detonate himself as President of the United States! So EITHER he is a screaming black activist christian or he is a closet muslim who is going to assasinate himself!. Will some anti-Obama son of a bitch please get back to me on that one cause I am confused at all get out at this point.

Ness, San - the best vacation I ever had was a week in Bali. I stayed at the Nusa Dua resort. I was there from Hong Kong (can we say daylight and noise 24 hours a day) a DAY spent in Bali is like a week spent anywhere else. The place is so laid back, so relaxed and the people are so wonderful it is quite stunning. I will never forget that week, and I have promised my husband that when we have the money I will take him there. It is truly a stunning part of the world and I will cherish every moment I spent there.

Brit, he's a radical black Christian when you're trying to scare white people, and he's a radical Muslim when you're trying to scare everyone else.

Brit - Nusa Dua is great - so is Kuta Beach. Loved Bali, hated HK too.

San - Kuta was too full of Australians for my liking (all joking aside, I have first cousins who are Aussies and we are close as peas in a pod), they look at Kuta the way Brits look at Blackpool :) Nusa Dua was so much more relaxed than Kuta, while Kuta was full of bars and restaurants and fake perfume shops Nusa Dua was a beach, with a million hermit crabs which will surround you if you stand still long enough on the beach. :) I had the greatest fun in Kuta but Nusa Dua healed my Hong Kong addled soul, I still say that you can spend two years in the maniac Hong Kong and one week of Nusa Dua will heal you of all ills. First night in the hotel, my pal and I opened the windows to hear the sounds of the night, in flew a huge fruit bat, pal retreats to the bathroom leaving me to deal with the fruit bat... best time, best time I ever had. :)

Brit - next time you go down there, be sure to get to the Ketcak (Ketchak) performance at the Uluwatu Luhur Temple, if you can. Its a reenactment of the Ramayana epic from Hindu mythology. The temple is on a cliff overlooking the ocean and they do a performance at sunset. Spectacular! Its about 45 minutes from Nusa Dua.

How can a person be of a faith that he did not choose of his own free will?

Corky: Complete Whore for the Clintons?

Film at 11:00.

According to Islamic jurisprudence, children of a Muslim father even an apparently nonpracticing one, such as Obama's father, and irrespective of the mother's faith are automatically Muslims.



What nonsense. LOL

I am a muslim and I can assure you this is utter crap.

When a kid is born, an elder of the family recites the "azan" (call to prayer) in his/her ear. That is how we consider the kid is now a muslim.

Ask Obambi if his dad recited the Azan in his ear. LOL

Being a n--gg-r I bet he had hip-hop recited in his ear.

Osama bin Laden must be chuckling in his safe house. After all, the 2008 campaign could very well give Al Qaeda the ultimate propaganda tool: President Barack Hussein Obama, Muslim apostate.

But he'd make a great VP! Just tryin to vett the guy!

-Corky the dishonest jerkoff.

BTW- You don't have to spam your wetdream in every obama thread, kuma.

One post of yours goes a looong way.

Its over man, what part of over don't you understand?

Obama's wife is racist to the core.

No chance, its over. ON TAPE.

Its over. Don't cry bitch, you lost.

Kuma

I'll believe it when I see the tape. And your predictions have been less than awesome, kuma.

It's a shame there are still bigotry still around. They can't stand the thought of having a Black Leader. It is disgusting.

Larry Mohr

ALEX . . . ditto what you said.

Talk is cheap and rumors are cheaper.

Save the Congo Line for later, Kuma

Kuma,

Thanks For The Corky Video, I Was Wondering What He Looked Like.

Thanks Again

-Sarge

Poor, poor Kuma. So excited... so destined for disappointment.

Remember the last big YouTube "time bomb"? You know, the guy who just swore he had sex and did drugs with Obama? The one that crashed and burned as the scam it was when the guy failed 2 polygraph tests...

Yeah.

How can a person be of a faith that he did not choose of his own free will?

Posted by townncountry


Irrelevant.

The right worships the religion of fear. I doubt they chose that for themselves.

Megadittoes.

Its over. Don't cry bitch, you lost.

Kuma


Awww poor Kuma. So young, so stupid. Life really has dealt you a bad hand now hasn't it?

Kuma had to go away for a little vacation at the spam rehab facility.

The desire to punish Republicans is so intense this year, a video of Obama mainlining meth might not be enough to deep six him.

After all, a person can be sent to rehab, but neoconservatism seems to be a permanent disability.

I'm going to keep posting this shit because . . .
I don't know any better, anymore.
I used to do other stuff.
But when that nice Mr. Wolfson let me puff, ever so hard, on his ceegar. . .
Well, you don't know what pleasure is until you've worked with Mr. Wolfson's ceegar.
Thank you Mr. Wolfson.
Thank you.
Remember, I didn't fade away; it was the pictures that got small.
SWAK
~Corky "Just Call Me Norma" McBeggnstrip

PS: Stop obsessing about my ass.

"Shireen K. Burki is an adjunct professor of political science at the University of Mary Washington, in Fredericksburg, Va. The daughter of a Muslim father and a Christian mother, she spent her childhood in Islamabad, Pakistan, where she studied Islam at school."

Yeppers. This unknowledgable writer for that dastardly evil rag the Christian Science Monitor is a secret Clinton supporter, roflmao!!

Now I know why 101 always called you, "pants-pissers". Facts you don't like make you wet your britches.

Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-05-20 05:53 AM

It's a shame there are still bigotry still around. They can't stand the thought of having a Black Leader. It is disgusting.

Obama represents the Republican's only chance to retain the White House.

Corky's paid by the lick and Johnson gets his by the word.

Keep lickin' away, Corky. Maybe Mr. Wolfson will give you a bone.

You'll have to spit it out, first.

Being a n--gg-r I bet he had hip-hop recited in his ear.
Posted by Tosser at 2008-05-20 02:04 AM

Bold, coming from such a big girl's blouse of a w-g, Tosser.

"Shireen K. Burki is an adjunct professor of political science at the University of Mary Washington, in Fredericksburg, Va. The daughter of a Muslim father and a Christian mother, she spent her childhood in Islamabad, Pakistan, where she studied Islam at school."

corky
i'm an active muslim

not a "former" muslim
one who has some hate against her father for being and is using that as an excuse to bad mouth politicians

and i say this entire article is full of crappola

and also based on pakistani experience
everyone in pakistan "studies" islam at school
that doesn't mean they are experts
faaar from it. it means they learned how to READ arabic (not understand it) and learned the urdu translation of the koran and learned a very higher level basic interpretation of the koran and hadith.

how bout we get the answer from experts in islam, not those that went to "muslim grade school"

man i wonder if every body in pakistan that has a elementary school education in islam is an expert.

wow

u think the kids that went to ccd are experts on the bible and christian law??

........Obama will be the next POTUS..........

........all this goofy cackling is just the background noise of the hen house.......

.........a tale told by an idiot.....full of sound and fury.....signifying nothing.......

"Shireen K. Burki is an adjunct professor of political science at the University of Mary Washington, in Fredericksburg, Va. The daughter of a Muslim father and a Christian mother, she spent her childhood in Islamabad, Pakistan, where she studied Islam at school."



And I am a son of a muslim father and muslim mother (so I ought to know better) and I repeat, the lady is full of shit.

Like Klifferd explained, Islamic Studies is part of the grade school curriculum. It's not some big deal that one can say they "studied Islam at school". Everyone does THAT. LOL

You've been had, and Corky is.. Corky.

........Obama will be the next POTUS..........



No he won't.

And what's with the "...............".

Are you nuts?

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb the wogs...

The deaf do not hear... the blind do not see.

Sorry to blow your crappy "research" but since you linked to a known islamophobic website, I can see where you are coming from.

Everyone here does agree with me that you are a bit simple.

Anyone disagree? No?

I am right, Klifferd is right. And you are left with your cock in your hand and not much more.

I am right, Klifferd is right. And you are left with your cock in your hand and not much more.

Posted by Tosser


LOL!!!

shia??

neither me, nor tosser

nor indonesia where obama spent his early childhood
is shia

you sure you don't need lieberman to tell you the differences?


besides converts exist all over the place in pakistan, indonesia, and all over

and even if by some chance the first exists
which it doesn't because you choose your faith when you are of age

obama was clearly faithless when he came of age
and when he finally did choose, it was christianity.

but if the first exists
then he is treason against God... and God will hand out the punishment when he's dead and gone.

but to everyone else he's a christian.

Incidentally, Indonesia represents about 1/4 of the Muslim world.

So I will again tell you that my partner's father was a very devout Muslim, from a very devout and aristocratic Indonesian Muslim family. He married a Catholic woman from the Philippines and their 4 children were baptised and raised Catholic.

While the family was initially disappointed (as many are in mixed-religion marriages), nobody considered them apostate.

So cling to your links and ignore the real-life experiences of actual Muslims.

This is Clinton's latest "argument" for her candidacy?

Must be a Corky thread. Haha

And his source is CRM - the nutcases who would rather die than see a doctor. Yeah, that's where I go for advice.

I guess the Muslims in the ME are supposed to be more receptive to a woman in a pants suit who threatens to nuke them.

That shameless shrew should STFU or join the Republican Party.

if corky was a public member of the hillary campaign and talked the way he talked
he would be fired from the campaign and hill would stop talking to him.

So, cling to your anecdotes and ignore the common definition of, "Murtad Fitri", which means a person who is born of a Muslim parent and then rejects Islam.

klifferd the obtuse puppy unsurprisingly misses the point of the article, which is that as a murtad fitri, Obama could make a great recruiting tool.

"Osama bin Laden must be chuckling in his safe house. After all, the 2008 campaign could very well give Al Qaeda the ultimate propaganda tool: President Barack Hussein Obama, Muslim apostate."

Thin-skinned Obamites need to stop shutting their eyes to potential problems, pretending that they don't exist, and face them head on.

One-eyed inbreds, often mistaken for angry penises, should stick to denigrating women in general, something they are good at.

Rogue,


The Obama=apostate allegation fails on many fronts.


First and foremost, was Obama ever really a Muslim? I think serious Islamic scholars could debate that question and not come to a consensus.

For the sake of arguement, let's say they were to reach a consensus. So what? What's wrong with being a Muslim? If all Muslims were like Klifferd, do you think anybody would give a rat's ass as to their religion?

Secondly, obama has been a practicing Christian for over 20 years. Even if he could at one point, early in his life, have been considered a Muslim, he isn't now.

Last point: For the sake of argument let's assume that the general Islamic view is that he was a Muslim and is thus an apostate. So the fuck what? As a US citizen, the LAST thing I am going to to is consider the opinions of a bunch of crazy, intollerant and flat-out homicidal radicals when voting for our next POTUS.

Corky - you are mistaking what radical Islamists might believe vs. what moderate, every-day Muslims believe.

No doubt Bin Laden et al could make that an issue. But if it isn't that, it will be something else. Big whoop.

-No doubt Bin Laden et al could make that an issue.

That was all that was being said. Congrats! Maybe the moonbeam juice is wearing off a little.

hahah

more lack of understanding of the enemy

no one will call him an apostate

not only that but muslim scholars and leaders are already writing columns and articles on why a christian obama as potus is good for the muslim people struggling against extremism.

the truth from the muslim perspective is that obl won't be able to play the crusader card anymore

gw actually used the word crusader
and mccain actually is mcbush

and hillary would be welcomed by many progressive muslims as well

the difference between me and you

you simple mind corkskrew is
that i would welcome hillary whole heartedly if she was the nominee because esentially both her and barack have very similar answers

though hillary's "anhilation" comment already has been used for recruitment by obl.

like sanant says if its not this its something else

any excuse obl can find he will use

whether its appostate
crusader
annihilator
cluster bomber
friend of the jews
etc etc

any slight misspeaking will be used by obl
much much worse then any wright controversy or gook comment or race card can be used against the nominees.

"Last point: For the sake of argument let's assume that the general Islamic view is that he was a Muslim and is thus an apostate. So the fuck what? As a US citizen, the LAST thing I am going to to is consider the opinions of a bunch of crazy, intollerant and flat-out homicidal radicals when voting for our next POTUS."

That is exactly right Jeff.

But Corky has been trying to make some cockamamie case that somehow this is an issue that makes Obama unqualified, or less qualified for office, and may indeed be dangerous for the country.

This isn't the first time he's raised the apostasy straw man.

My point is that radical Islamists will find SOMETHING about any candidate to fuel their anger. The vast majority of the Muslim world could give a flip whether or not Obama's father was Muslim and he isn't.

To the contrary, the Muslims I know think it would be cool to have someone that has at least a little insight into their world. But they don't think he is an evil apostate, by any stretch.

Obama could make a great recruiting tool

Get a clue. The jihadis don't have to recruit. Al Qaeda doesn't have to recruit. The Muslim Brotherhood doesn't have to recruit.

There are plenty of volunteers, and many of them are from middle class families, with college educations. If anything motivates them it would be the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

That was, simply, "obliteration", lol.

I loved seeing Joe Biden all riled up the other day about Bush's vile comments at the Knesset, and Chris Matthews making the mistake of mentioning Hil's use of the word "obliteration", to which Biden snapped at him, "Guess what, Chris? If you use nuclear weapons against a country, it IS obliteration!"

- If anything motivates them it would be the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Which you and I both saw as a recruiting tool. Which will now be led by an apostate, according to radicals.

But hey, far be it from me to try to mix any little bit of reality into the Obamaide.

radical Islamists will find SOMETHING about any candidate to fuel their anger. The vast majority of the Muslim world could give a flip whether or not Obama's father was Muslim and he isn't.


Agreed.


This is precisely why I don't place any weight into the collective opinion of a bloc of people who would adminster 'justice' against a young man via state-sanctioned gang-rape of said man's sister.


PS - I hope that Larry doesn't condemn me as racist for my comments on this subject.

Rogue,


Taking this a step further....


As you are aware, I am not an Obama fan.

That said, if he raises the ire of radical-Islamic crazies then he's scored some serious points in my book.

PS

He really went off on you didn't he?

He did that to me the first day I mentioned to TR that I liked Hil better at the first debate, what ten years ago??

Then he joined a couple of Tighty trolls, Ride and Wis, in stalking me everywhere I went. They were later replaced by Doc and SA, lmao!

So Larry will likely be following you around like a pupp.... er, never mind.

About Obama being considered an apostate:

1. He isn't one. If that were even remotely possible, it would've been splashed all over the internet and all over Pakistan's media instead of coming out of Corkscrew's ass.

One can check Pakistani newspapers and forums... we don't give a fuck what he is.


2. If one follows a strict form of wahabist sharia law (there are over 83 different kinds of "sharia")... even then Obama would not be considered a muslim simply by being born to a muslim father. Instead his daddy would be the guilty party who didn't recite the "azan" in his ear to make him a muslim.

If the parents decide the kid isn't going to be a muslim, one CAN NOT blame the kid and call him an apostate.

Use your damn common sense.

I am sure Obama's mother would be able to answer if his father intended him to be a muslim.

Corkscrew can pull out all the links on out of date islamic jurisprudence out of his ass. Obama is NOT an apostate.

Though I don't know what the fuss is all about. It's not like he is going to be POTUS.

There are like a million people in Pakistan who can be considered experts on things Islamic.

And not one of them has claimed that Obama is an apostate, even technically.

Corky armed with a few webpages... none of which he can understand correctly... is better than all the islamic experts in Pakistan???

hahahahahahahahahahahaa

Asshole.

And don't call me a fucking Shia, jerk. I'm not from Iran.

1. The MSM wouldn't lie to me. If it's not in the MSM, it's not true.

2. Along with ignoring everything written on the subject, I was also peresent when his father did not whisper in baby 'Bama's ear.

3. I can't count that high.

Please tell me more about Corky's ass.

signed

Tossed Salad

The MSM wouldn't lie to me. If it's not in the MSM, it's not true.



Don't compare Pakistani MSM to American MSM, Corkscrew. We have far higher standards of what is the truth and what isn't.

American MSM... "WMD WMD WMD".

Pakistani MSM... "Fucking Chimp..."

See? Who is right?

I was also peresent when his father did not whisper in baby 'Bama's ear.


No asshole. The whole point is I wasn't there and neither were you.

Which is exactly why you can't call him an apostate by assuming he was once a muslim.

One can look up the word "baaligh" (phonetic spelling, sorry). A kid only really turns muslim.. it only counts.. after he/she turns "baaligh" (comes of age). Around 12, 13 years old? Not sure. In Pak it is legally 15 for boys, I think.

The Jewish people mark the occasion with a "Bar Mizvah" (sorry for misspelling). So it is the same with all Ambrahamic religions.

Point is... if Obama wasn't a muslim when he was 15, he never was one. Nothing he did before, counts.

-Ambrahamic religions


going for the FF there, Tossy?

"The second, and most egregious, type is murtad fitri. It refers to a person born of a Muslim father who renounces his birthright."

I guess we could have that term removed from the lexicon, eh?

tosser :-P

obama is going to be president

and i'm voting for him
along with most pakistani-americans

haha sorry you don't like him

going for the FF there, Tossy?



And what was so funny about that?



"The second, and most egregious, type is murtad fitri. It refers to a person born of a Muslim father who renounces his birthright."



Right... and NOBODY in Pakistan (for example) picked up this point???

Corky is bigger Islamic Scholar than everyone else. LOL

Go read some more webpages and get a clue. Copy/pasting isn't getting you anywhere.

Much of Islamic Jurisprudence (sharia) contains the opinions of scholars and precedents of judges. Many disagree with these.... it isn't anything "holy".

THIS is exactly why there are over 80 different versions of Sharia.

Don't quote Shia-law or Wahabi-law at me, if you please.

haha sorry you don't like him



I can't stand him.

There is something wrong with the guy... I can't put my finger on it.

But then it isn't my problem as I'm not American.

Believe me, if there had been a choice, 4 more years of The Chimp or Obamba, I would say bring back The Chimp.

Anyone is better than this Obamba fraud.

Oh, and Obamba also claimed he spent 2, 3 weeks in Pakistan in the 80s, so that makes him our buddy. What cheek!

The best thing for Pakistan is if America continues to be run by an idiot.

When the cat is asleep, the mice shall play.