Sorry about messing up subject line. Should be Obama draws 75k at stop in Oregon

Wonder if TADOWE was there?

Hahahaha

Nah, he was too busy with the voter registration drive.


On topic, that's is a huge number of people, and the count was confirmed by the Portland Fire Chief. 60k inside the gates, and 15k outside. Meanwhile, in other news, Clinton drew 1000 in Kentucky.

go Hillary, go to the bloodly end...

How did Ron Brown lites go out again?

no protective glass, either...

Bah! Smoke and mirrors. Clinton drew far more because she's ahead.

- Corky

Scarily impressive...

Don't get me wrong, of the choices presented I think Obama is the better, and I'll likely end up voting for him, but pictures like that speak more to the cult of personality surrounding his run.

At least thats my take on it.

Simpely amazing, he can mystify a crowd. His oratory style and presidentical aura can orverwelm
any crowd and will present an image that other countries will be impressed with and be willing to finally be interested be a partner in world afairs instead of thinking we are dominating world affairs.

I heard the new Osama video got 75,000,000 hits.

Hitler mystified his crowd too. Coincidentally, both men Hitler and Obama used racism to incite emotions in crowds

timbci

the difference is
hitler used it as a scape goat
"the jews are germany's problem"

obama says nothing the sort
except that racism is divisive to the unity of america amongst all its races


quite a contrasting message if you ask me.

on the other hand
bush and mccain want to bomb bomb bomb iran
and mccain hates gooks

are gooks the new jews?

and mccain hates gooks


Why do you keep throwing this into unrelated threads, kilfferd?

"Obama Draws 75,000 at Oregon Event"

YEAH!

Pretty impressive considering our current president has to leave to a foreign country (i.e. they don't know him) to get a third of that number to show up!

No wonder he cried in Israel!

The bleating could be heard in neighboring state, Washington.

Obama said he's going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are 57 Islamic states. There are 57 Islamic states. "Every year from 1999 to 2005, the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states," this is from the International Humanist and Ethical Union.

On a more serious note, this has the makings of a serious political movement. How can something this big not change the face of American politics?

I'm not particularly excited about it, as in November we'll likely see what real 1 party rule looks like. I forsee my middle class pay check shrinking to cover every imaginable filibuster proof whim of the Democrat party, but it's not like the GOP did anything for me. May they suffer now, and come back strong in a couple of decades.

75K latte sipping, hippies that don't matter to anyone.

**Corky

On a more serious note, this has the makings of a serious political movement. How can something this big not change the face of American politics?

If would be more meaningful if it had happened somewhere other than Portland. Finding 75k ultra-libs together there is as difficult as finding 75k pot smokers at a Jimmy Buffet concert.

"Obama said he's going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are 57 Islamic states. There are 57 Islamic states. "Every year from 1999 to 2005, the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states," this is from the International Humanist and Ethical Union."

again

there are only 38 islamic states
not 57

but in the usa you have 55 voting districts for the democratic primary
56 if you include both the texas primary and the texas caucus

Don't get me wrong, of the choices presented I think Obama is the better, and I'll likely end up voting for him, but pictures like that speak more to the cult of personality surrounding his run.

How is it a bad thing that Obama engages so much interest in the public that 75,000 people -- a total equal to 5% of the state's registered voters -- showed up to hear him speak?

We need an actively engaged public behind the next president. Obama offers a much greater possibility to make that happen than either Clinton or McCain.

I'm amazed the Dem race isn't a total landslide, given crowds like that one in Oregon.

"Coincidentally, both men Hitler and Obama used racism to incite emotions in crowds"

Because we all know that there were no white folks at that rally.

"75k pot smokers at a Jimmy Buffet concert"

Beer drinkers yes but I doubt if many of those folks still smoke much pot. Mostly middle aged, middle class nice folks. I still loves me some Jimmy Buffet once in a while too.

oh and goatman

i bring up the gook statement here is because someone is comparing obama to hitler

(first of all the hitler comparison has been regarded by the right as a stupid thing to compare us politics to but we find our selves hearing it from the right more and more lately)

obama has never said that any one group is lower then the other.

mccain has

that is why i bring it up
that is why it has to be constantly reminded to you all

danni

;) jimmy buffet doesn't draw 75,000 people anymore

he's drawing the numbers that only bands like U2 and The rolling stones do now a days.

The kindergarten idiocy generated by the rights fear of Obama is so funny, yet also somewhat frightening. How anyone could look at the
results of republican rule, listen to the alternative, then say "thank you sir, may have another?" to the immoral, treasonous touch-holes
who call themselves the republican party, leads me to believe that those voting for those fools are casting a vote based on fear and hatred... And we know how that turns out. Good night, red america,
it wasn't nice knowing ya.

"Good night, red america,
it wasn't nice knowing ya."

Only problem is you can't kill this monster, every time you think it's dead a new head pops up with bigger teeth.

Yes, but every time the red monster pops it's head up, it cuts taxes and increases spending, fucking us over for another 10 + years.

One day the Republicans will either learn from their history and stop voting in these corporate shills, or they will start a grass roots effort of 'real' conservatism, where there are no moral police, the government wastes less money and lets me keep more of mine.

But considering the current crop are beholden to the 'religious' right, I don't see that happening.

The rise of 24/7/365 right wing propaganda talk on TV and radio is the ruination of America and the reason that the right isn't marginalized as they have been for most of modern American history.
They exert much influence due largely to the naivite and utter stupidity of their listeners.
Don't tell them that though even as they pay $4.00 for a gallon of gas which was refined from oil the oil company pumped out of the ground on federal lands and compensated the US about $10.00 per barrel for. These dummies think the oil companies are their friends.

(first of all the hitler comparison has been regarded by the right as a stupid thing to compare us politics to but we find our selves hearing it from the right more and more lately)

Posted by klifferd at 2008-05-19 11:18 AM | Reply

The Hitler comparison has been a standard piece of garbage from the Left for years. Bush is Hitler. Cheney is Hitler. Republicans are the Fourth Reich ... blah, blah, blah

"that is why it has to be constantly reminded to you all"

I'm no McCain fan, but it's weak (and tiresome) to constantly bring up the 'gook' comment -- unless every stupid mistatment EVER made by Osama is brought up in every single thread.

People say stupid things sometimes. Politicians talk for 20 hours a day so their odds of saying something stupid increases dramatically.

Shall every single thread about Osama mention the following? Are you going to argue that bringing this up adds nothing to the discussion?:

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

There are no "conservatives" in the republican party in my opinion, at least none with a soap box, save for Paul. And we know what the party apparatus did to him. No. All they have is empirical snakes who
can only consolidate power by bullshitting others into believing that they have "values". Bill Kristol has no values -- other than power. Karl Rove could give a rats ass about Jesus Christ. Dick Cheney privately despises his base for hating his daughter due to her sexual orientation. These people use those of an evangelical bent to suit their own purposes while privately mocking them through their actions. Serpents in the garden, all of them. I mean, correct me as I may be wrong, but didn't the bible say something about the devil coming in the form of someone the people think they can trust and follow, and haven't the religious right been following the repubs for decades, and haven't things, for the country as a whole, pretty much gotten worse under repubs -- y'know, wars and further economic disparity, not to mention all these "god-like" natural disasters... under repubs... Hmmmm, if I were prone to such superstition I'd be thinking, hey, maybe the devil is... nah. Can't do it. I won't dignify the repubs with that comparison.

Not to agree with Vernon because that just doesn't feel right but if I were just let out of a POW camp where they had tortured me for six years I think I might say some derogatory things about the nationality of my torturers too. We can beat McCain without resorting to bringing up the good comments, I think he deserves a pass on that. The appeaser comments though are entirely another matter.

If you want to be loved as you used to be, vote Obama

And yes, the Hitler comparison, whether from the left or right, is
childish and demeaning to those who suffered under Hitler. But super-especially when it comes from ass clown O'Reilly in his attacks on liberal blogs. Man, that schmuck-o is a pathetic laugh riot.

Obama Tells 75,000 Oregonians Iran is "not a threat" to US
Rick Moran

Barack Obama has tried his best to conceal the fact that underneath all the soothing rhetoric about "change" and being a new kind of politican, he is nothing but a 1960's style liberal with some incredibly naive views about American foreign policy.

Yesterday in front of 75,000 adoring fans, Obama really let his inner liberal take over and made one of the most outrageously stupid comment of the campaign to date. If the GOP were smart, they would take this comment and run it from now until November.

Jennifer Rubin at Commentary:

This remarkable bit of footage from Barack Obama's appearance in Oregon last night is now floating around on YouTube. It might be useful as an undergraduate course exam: how many errors can you spot? Obama apparently believes that Iran and other rogues states (he lists Iran, Cuba and Venezuela) "don't pose a serious threat to the U.S." Iran, specifically, he tells us spends so little on defense relative to us that if Iran "tried to pose a serious threat to us they wouldn't . . . they wouldn't stand a chance."

So, taken literally, he seems not much concerned about Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons, its sponsorship of terrorist organizations, its commitment to eradicate Israel, its current actions in supplying weapons that have killed hundreds of Americans in Iraq, and its role in eroding Lebanon's sovereignty through its client Hezbollah.

Obama is doing nothing new. He is only being as honest as possible and taking the high road as much as possible. His popularity just shows how the discourse in American politics has fallen. If they are not talking about who you slept with, they talk about a flag pin, if they are not trying to talk about inhaling a MJ joint 20+ years ago, they talking about how you look in a tank.

Stop the bullshit and you can compete with Obama. He is not anything new, he's just not talking about what has become the norm in American politics. He's like a breath of fresh air.

From the article: "His call for more congressional accountability and transparency won loud approval."


Let's hope Pelosi and Reid are listening.

He's like a breath of fresh air.

Posted by fresno500


that's a good one!!!

"I think he deserves a pass on that."

I don't think he deserves a total pass. He didn't make a "misstatement" when he said it. In fact, he refused to apologize and said he would keep on using it.

I wouldn't blame him for calling his captors bastards, s.o.b.'s or whatever, but to continue to use a derogatory term for an entire race of people is pretty low class.

I heard the new Osama video got 75,000,000 hits.

No, you heard wrong. It was that the crowd there took 75,000 hits during the course of the concert. I mean revival.. err.. umm.. speech.

Obama speaking at SanAntonioRogue's high school alma mater in a few minutes. I'm guessing there will be a few less than 75,000 at this one.

"Obama apparently believes that Iran and other rogues states (he lists Iran, Cuba and Venezuela) "don't pose a serious threat to the U.S."

Cuba and Venezuela definitely pose no threat while Iran really doesn't either. Iran perhaps threatens Israel and even our troops in Iraq, but to say that Iran threatens the United STates would not be true. Not even close to being true.

Priest Obama was there to forgive the sins of the Guilty, white male. "Vote for me, and you will be labled a racist no more..."

-Barry Hussein Obama

Cuba and Venezuela definitely pose no threat while Iran really doesn't either. Iran perhaps threatens Israel and even our troops in Iraq, but to say that Iran threatens the United STates would not be true. Not even close to being true.


they dont have the capability to launch an assault or invasion with their military on the US but the threat of terrorism that they fund is a serious threat!!!

suppose iran decides to ship a nuke to cuba and launch from there, then would cuba be a threat?

"suppose iran decides to ship a nuke to cuba and launch from there, then would cuba be a threat?

Posted by scooter28054"

Only if Gandalf and Merlin were defeated, and Aslan and Harry Potter unavailable to combat Darth Vadar, Dr. Evil, and the creature from Alien.

Iran perhaps threatens Israel and even our troops in Iraq, but to say that Iran threatens the United STates would not be true. Not even close to being true.

Would it be true of the thousands and thousands of Americans living in Israel? Or do they not count in the dems world???

"they dont have the capability to launch an assault or invasion with their military on the US but the threat of terrorism that they fund is a serious threat!!!"

Refresh my memory, just when was the last terrorist threat on the US that was funded by Cuba or Venezuela????

"suppose iran decides to ship a nuke to cuba and launch from there, then would cuba be a threat?"

First, Iran doesn't have a nuke and hasn't to the best of our intel even enriched plutonium to weaponsgrade, secondly Cuba would not assist in any attack on the US and you have absolutely no evidence that they would.
In truth we have allowed terrorist attacks on Cuba and allowed the culprits to avoid punishment so if there is a state sponsor of terror in the Western Hemisphere it is us.

"Would it be true of the thousands and thousands of Americans living in Israel? Or do they not count in the dems world???"

Israel would destroy Iran totally and absolutely if there were ever a nuclear attack from that nation. You know, I know, Iran knows it.

"Only if Gandalf and Merlin were defeated, and ...."

Apparently SanAntonio believes a nuke on a boat in Miami harbor is not dangerous. Naieve dumbass. Not all weapons have to be on a missile.

""The Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organization with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. It groups 57 nations, most of which are Islamic. . ." "

Doc, my point to Killferd was that his emphatic statement was incorrect that there are 38 Islamic states. The OIC has 57 members, which has been the number in question. There may in fact be more than 57 Islamic states, I don't know, but 57 states are members of the primary Islamic organization on the international stage.

Since we're parsing nuances, Doc, how many of the 57 states who are members of the Islamic Conference are not officially Islamic? Is it one or two or more? I could not find that in any links.

"TIMBCI"....Get off the Hitler anology you dumb FUCK....I am so having a great feeling about this election, Imagine on November 2008, we are going to have a BLACK man as President-elect of the United States of America.

Imagine TIMBCI, all of your fucking REDNECK neighbors will have to find a new place for there WHITE SHEETS, see you at the swearing in ceremonies. HA, HA, HA, an African American elected President, you fucking Racist are going to have a hard 8 Years, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!

"Would it be true of the thousands and thousands of Americans living in Israel? Or do they not count in the dems world???"

Israel would destroy Iran totally and absolutely if there were ever a nuclear attack from that nation. You know, I know, Iran knows it.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-19 12:46 PM

You just posted Iran is not a threat the United States. What about the thousands and thousands of Americans working and living abroad in the region? Are they under threat? Do they deserve any military or State protection?

Thanks YAV for that Obama OR rally pic... will use it as one of our desktop wallpapers.

"Apparently SanAntonio believes a nuke on a boat in Miami harbor is not dangerous."

No dumbestass, the point was that it is a pretty fantastic stretch to think that Iran and Cuba are going to coordinate a nuclear strike from Cuban soil.

Be sure to check under your bed regularly and make sure the boogeyman isn't trying to steal your calculator.

No dumbestass, the point was that it is a pretty fantastic stretch to think that Iran and Cuba are going to coordinate a nuclear strike from Cuban soil


How many pacts have Chavez, Cuba and the nutjob from Iran signed in the last couple of years? Another fantastic stretch????

"You just posted Iran is not a threat the United States. What about the thousands and thousands of Americans working and living abroad in the region? Are they under threat? Do they deserve any military or State protection?"

And....if we bombed Iran would they be safer or less safe????
Iraqis were "safer" before we "saved" them.
Idiotic hypotheticals like a bomb in Miami harbor is the best the right has offer???
Surely some of you have real arguments???
These last few attempts at discrediting Obama's statements were pathetic, laughable, weak.

"how many of the 57 states who are members of the Islamic Conference are not officially Islamic?"

Indonesia, Albania, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, and Suriname are a few who are not.

"What about the thousands and thousands of Americans working and living abroad in the region? Are they under threat? Do they deserve any military or State protection?"

What about Americans living in Mexico? Should the US military be protecting them as well?

How about those sucking up the sun on Grand Cayman?

What about the occasional Mediterranean sponge diver from Queens?

I'm sorry, but I draw the line when Vernon moves to the Philippines. No nuclear protection for Vernon. Not now, not tomorrow, not ever.

"How many pacts have Chavez, Cuba and the nutjob from Iran signed in the last couple of years? Another fantastic stretch????"

How many poor Americans got free heating oil from Venezuela??? That is a much more pertinent question. It is none of our business how Cuba and Venezuela and Iran too for that matter want to deal with each other. None of those "pacts" were of a threatening military nature but don't let the facts get in your way.

These guys are simply P A R A N O I D ! ! ! !

"How many pacts have Chavez, Cuba and the nutjob from Iran signed in the last couple of years?"

Yes. An economic free-trade pact is an indicator of an imminent nuclear threat from a joint effort by Iran and Cuba.

Boo!

Miami has a harbor?

And....if we bombed Iran would they be safer or less safe????

I guess it is beyond your capacity to back up another of your ridiculous posts. Go back to claiming sarcasm. Deflecting to another set of arguments won't downplay your weak ability to defend what you post.

Yes. An economic free-trade pact is an indicator of an imminent nuclear threat from a joint effort by Iran and Cuba.

Boo!

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-05-19 01:02 PM

Imminent threat? You go from a fantastic stretch to imminent threat? Classic!!! Hell of a stretch to ship something under the guise of economic pacts. I sure hope you never are in a situation of responsibility where people have to depend on you.

Apparently SanAntonio believes a nuke on a boat in Miami harbor is not dangerous.

That kind of attack is all but impossible. The Bush administration has taken significant steps to tighten security along our shorelines, and in our harbors...oh wait....never mind.

Weak Crisp, weak.

No matter how much of a nutjob Ahmadinejad seems to be, the Cubans are far to pragmatic to ever play a part in something so self-destructive and idiotic.

The example was absurd on its face, and paranoid to say the least. Nobody, including Obama, has suggested our enemies don't warrant vigilance. But to direct the argument into ridiculous "what if" straw men is pathetic.

"I guess it is beyond your capacity to back up another of your ridiculous posts."

Tell me Crispee, how do you think our troops in Iraq would fare if we insanely decided to bomb Iran??? Think the Iranians might mobilize their army against our troops?? Think they'd start firing non-nuclear missiles at them???
You lunatics just want more war.

I think the biggest threat to the United States is lunatics like Crispee And Scooter.

"Miami has a harbor?"

Biscayne Bay, Port of Miami.

No matter how much of a nutjob Ahmadinejad seems to be, the Cubans are far to pragmatic to ever play a part in something so self-destructive and idiotic.


Based on your vast experience? Or Obamas? Do you speak for the ignorant dems?

sean

"There are 57 member states in the OIC"

yes
but they are not all islamic countries

some have less then 50% muslim populations

i would hardly call them islamic states

you can be a member of oic and not be a "muslim" country

there are only 38 "muslim" countries

for example guyana is a member of oic
but it has only 10% muslim
50% christian country.

so no there are not 57 islamic states

Tell me Crispee, how do you think our troops in Iraq would fare if we insanely decided to bomb Iran???

danni, just admit your statement was ignorant and delusional.If you want to stick with your story Iran is not a threat to the United States back it up. But inlude citizens of the United States not just the land.

The Bush administration has taken significant steps to tighten security along our shorelines, and in our harbors...oh wait....never mind.

Posted by Whatsleft at 2008-05-19 01:16 PM | Reply

Thank you for confirming how easy it would be to sail a boat, with a weapon, into Miami, St. Pete, Mobile, New Orleans or Houston. Even if Iran does not have a nuke, it could be obtained from Pakistan or some disgruntled Russian.

SanAn: Which of these places are you willing to write off because of fantastic stretches of imagination?

"Based on your vast experience?"

Based on some experience, some education, and some common sense.

Or maybe you have some inside knowledge that indicates Cuba wants to be part of a nuclear attack on the US?

Puhleese.

"SanAn: Which of these places are you willing to write off because of fantastic stretches of imagination?"

Ask George W. Bush, Dumbestass. He's the one who has done nothing to improve their defenses for the past 7 years.

You will note that I have said we have to stay vigilant with our enemies. So take your latest "write off" straw man and, uh... smoke it.

Hey, it's hard to spend $ inspecting cargo coming into the United States when we already are spending billions and billions attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Get your priorities straight people!

Or maybe you have some inside knowledge that indicates Cuba wants to be part of a nuclear attack on the US?

Puhleese.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-05-19 01:30 PM


You don't need much knowledge to have a CONCERN about a few vocal nations uniting against a single cause. You are a fool not to have an eye on them. No wonder the dems are in love with this nominee. Ignorance loves company.

If would be more meaningful if it had happened somewhere other than Portland. Finding 75k ultra-libs together there is as difficult as finding 75k pot smokers at a Jimmy Buffet concert.

Posted by goatman at 2008-05-19 11:11 AM | Reply | Flag:



....or like finding 'kissing cousins' in the double-wide down yonder!

....or like finding 'kissing cousins' in the double-wide down yonder!

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-05-19 01:40 PM

Why do you think the Hildabeast is campaigning there?

wow, 75,000 losers looking for more government handouts..

Shall every single thread about Osama mention the following? Are you going to argue that bringing this up adds nothing to the discussion?:

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Posted by vernon at 2008-05-19 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:


SURE! Why stop now? You turds barked about it for weeks.

BTW, did you know that John McCant's wife (his 2nd wife, not the one he called a CUNT) is a drug addict and a felon? Yup, she stole drugs from a clinic for the poor to support her drug addiction.....no worries though, she didn't get any real time as she was rich and white. Seems very ELITIST to me.

You must be thinking of somewhere else, KC. Oregon is a blue state, and its the red states that dominate the field of taking gov't handouts.

"You don't need much knowledge to have a CONCERN about a few vocal nations uniting against a single cause. You are a fool not to have an eye on them. No wonder the dems are in love with this nominee. Ignorance loves company.

Posted by crispee_oc"

So apparently in addition to your blatant fear-mongering and overarching paranoia you also have reading comprehension issues.

I have said multiple times that we have to stay vigilant (concerned!) with our enemies. NOBODY, including Obama, has said otherwise.

Perspective man, check it out sometime.

BTW, did you know that John McCant's wife (his 2nd wife, not the one he called a CUNT) is a drug addict and a felon? Yup, she stole drugs from a clinic for the poor to support her drug addiction.....no worries though, she didn't get any real time as she was rich and white. Seems very ELITIST to me.

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-05-19 01:46 PM


Let's see.... One posts something direct from the horses mouth, the other posts something about anothers horses ass. I guess I miss the comparison.

....or like finding 'kissing cousins' in the double-wide down yonder!

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-05-19 01:40 PM

Why do you think the Hildabeast is campaigning there?

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-05-19 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where?

I was simply bashing the southern-fried hillbillies on this page. Nothing more.

Don't like it? Tough titties!

yes
but they are not all islamic countries

some have less then 50% muslim populations

i would hardly call them islamic states

you can be a member of oic and not be a "muslim" country

there are only 38 "muslim" countries

for example guyana is a member of oic
but it has only 10% muslim
50% christian country.

so no there are not 57 islamic states


Jesus Christ, Klifferd. You sure can parse and slice and throw around percentages. Is this the same process that is used to allocate delegates and super-delegates in Denver? No wonder the Dem primaries are all fuxked up.

Your logic is essentially this: "I am a member of the KKK, your honor, but I never lit a cross, so I am not really a racist."

By the way, your editorial comment "i would hardly call them islamic states" is hardly enough to convince me that they are not islamic. Your addled conclusion from selective data =/= fact.

Or maybe you have some inside knowledge that indicates Cuba wants to be part of a nuclear attack on the US?
Puhleese.
Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-05-19 01:30 PM

But to direct the argument into ridiculous "what if" straw men is pathetic.
Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-05-19 01:19 PM

Yes. An economic free-trade pact is an indicator of an imminent nuclear threat from a joint effort by Iran and Cuba.

Boo!

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-05-19 01:02 PM

Sounds more like you talk out both sides of your mouth. You claim we should be vigilant. Last I looked vigilant means alert, watchful, careful. What should we vigilant about Oh Great One?

"Jesus Christ, Klifferd. You sure can parse and slice and throw around percentages."

You seem to be the one attempting to parse, SE4NY. Trying to lump all members of an Islamic Conference as "Islamic States".

Not very honest of you, but also not very surprising from one of the "Obama is a Muslim" crowd.

"By the way, your editorial comment "i would hardly call them islamic states" is hardly enough to convince me that they are not islamic. Your addled conclusion from selective data =/= fact."

Actually SE4NY, whether or not a country should be classified as an Islamic State has more to do with their form of government than their Muslim population. You should do a little bit of basic homework before jumping into something you don't really understand.

For example, Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world. But their government is secular and they do not observe shari'a law. They are, therefore, NOT and "Islamic State".

"You don't need much knowledge to have a CONCERN about a few vocal nations uniting against a single cause."

Hey....what about CANADA???? Those evil bastards up there have lots of MUSLIMS living in their country AND they travel to CUBA!!!!!!
Listen to CRISPEE....he is the true voice in the wilderness....warning us of terrorist threats from nations we least expect them!!!!!

Does anyone know for sure that GUATEMALA isn't getting ready to declare war on America????

Run! The Guatemalans are coming!!!!

"Sounds more like you talk out both sides of your mouth."

How so? Can one not be vigilant or careful about one's enemies without being paranoid, over-reacting, or over-exaggerating the true nature of the threat.

Did you learn nothing from Bush's Excellent Iraq Adventure?

By and large, not a bad thread so far. Mentions of Hitler and Jesus, to be sure, but not directly attacking our next president, Barney O'Bama.

Prudence dictates that thinking folks (you know ... elitists) expect an unprecedented onslaught of swift-boating. Kerry, Gore, Clinton (Bill) and their predecessors endured mere child's play.

Oh, the antis will find nothing worse than something his former minister once said in a previous century, or maybe that he knows three-syllable words and uses them about things like Guns 'N' Gawd. But man, they're gonna make it about our coffee-toned candidate and NOT about McBush and eight years of misrule. herm

How so? Can one not be vigilant or careful about one's enemies without being paranoid, over-reacting, or over-exaggerating the true nature of the threat.

What is the threat? Very simple question. How have we over reacted to Venezuela and Cuba? Another easy one. Other than a nuclear type of transaction, why should there be vigilance?

Listen to CRISPEE....he is the true voice in the wilderness....warning us of terrorist threats from nations we least expect them!!!!!

Posted by danni at 2008-05-19 02:03 PM

Never wrote word one about terrorists or threats. Why did you even waste the space and write that? Are you still trying to cover your ignorant post about Iran? You know where they aren't a threat. Remember? Still no answer danni?

seriously sean

guyana is an islamic state?

try to tell the guyanese that which are majority christian and second majority hindu

seriously sean

guyana is an islamic state?

try to tell the guyanese that which are majority christian and second majority hindu

"How have we over reacted to Venezuela and Cuba?"

What in God's name are you talking about? Nobody said we have over-reacted to Venezuela and/or Cuba. Or did you get so wrapped up in your little straw-world that you forgot the original point?

Remember, the point that began this was "what if Iran ships a nuke to Cuba and launch it from there".

So one more time, and I'll type real slow... Nobody said we shouldn't keep a watchful eye on any enemy or potential enemy. But it is ridiculous to get into silly hypothetical "what if" scenarios to try to bolster a failing argument.

Of course if Iran shipped a nuke to Cuba and launched it with their complicity then Cuba would be considered a threat. But as I said before- PERSPECTIVE. What is the likelihood of that happening? What are the indications that Cuba would even remotely entertain such self-destructive activity?

It was a weak-assed attempt to shore up a poor argument.

"Are you still trying to cover your ignorant post about Iran?"

I'll stand by every syllable I said about Iran Crispee. ARe you going to make the argument that bombing Iraq will not cause Iran to kill Americans??? Are you going to tell us that our soldiers in Iraq will be safer when we bomb Iran????

"But as I said before- PERSPECTIVE. What is the likelihood of that happening?"

Especially when you consider that Iran doesn't have one to ship and doesn't have the weapons grade Plutonium to build one. If they did have it they probably would still not want to do anything to threaten the United States because they would be turned into glass and they know it. It is completely IDIOTIC to say things like Iran could send a nuke to Cuba.

"It is completely IDIOTIC to say things like Iran could send a nuke to Cuba."

And even more idiotic to think that Cuba would participate in something that would mean their ceasing to exist.

Yes. An economic free-trade pact is an indicator of an imminent nuclear threat from a joint effort by Iran and Cuba.

Boo!

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-05-19 01:02 PM

What in God's name are you talking about? Nobody said we have over-reacted to Venezuela and/or Cuba. Or did you get so wrapped up in your little straw-world that you forgot the original point?

Maybe you should read real slow as well san. I didn't make that point about scenarios. ( Read slower) I simply asked if it was such a stretch why do they have all these pacts? Laughing at your post claiming it was a fantastic stretch. Then you back pedal and say well we should be vigilant and blah blah blah...

I'll stand by every syllable I said about Iran Crispee.

Posted by danni at 2008-05-19 02:28 PM

Then you will always remain a fool. Go to the middle east and see if your thoughts are true. Iraq is a nice attempt to deflect. The only problem is you bringing it up as an argument to your ignorant post.

"I didn't make that point about scenarios."

I'm perfectly aware you didn't make the original point. However it was you who came to its defense and continued the argument.

Crispee you haven't made one single point. YOu never answered my question....will American soldiers be killed if we bomb Iran???

"And even more idiotic to think that Cuba would participate in something that would mean their ceasing to exist."

ESPECIALLY when a new administration may actually see the hypocrisy of the treatment of Cuba vs. China and might actually open up travel to Cuba, at least by family members and hopefully by anyone who wants to travel there.

"Laughing at your post claiming it was a fantastic stretch. Then you back pedal and say well we should be vigilant and blah blah blah..."

I guess you're the only person who thinks that being vigilant with our enemies while not over-reacting to wild-ass "what ifs" are mutually exclusive concepts.

The original point was Obama's, that Iran poses no threat to the United States. It doesn't except for IDIOTIC hypothetical bombing attacks with bombs they don't posess and with coconspirators who wouldn't cooperate.

The original point was Obama's, that Iran poses no threat to the United States.

We have gone full circle back to Obama. OK since you failed to back up that statement, answer for your hero. What about the US citizens in the middle east and Israel? Is Iran a threat to them??? Very easy question.

I guess you're the only person who thinks that being vigilant with our enemies while not over-reacting to wild-ass "what ifs" are mutually exclusive concepts.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-05-19 02:43 PM

Then you are a fool to blow off the pacts being made by our so called enemies. I just wanted your thoughts on why? You are the one who joked about a economic pact turning into enemy threat.

"Is Iran a threat to them???"

Has Iran killed any of them??
No. So no, Iran is not a threat to them.
ARe Americans a threat to Iran???
That is the real question. They can see we were definitely a threat to Iraq and we sure make lots of threats. I'd say we are the biggest threat to peace in the middle east. It seems when you want to take a nation's oil they tend to get a bit defensive.

"Then you are a fool to blow off the pacts being made by our so called enemies. I just wanted your thoughts on why? You are the one who joked about a economic pact turning into enemy threat."

You are the one who made the suggestion that "all these pacts" between our enemies was something sinister. I simply pointed out that the only pact to which Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran are a party is a free-trade pact that was a response to a US free-trade pact. Iran is an observer, actually, not a member.

And you made that post in defense of Vern's "what if" post about Iran sending a nuke to Cuba to launch an attack against the US.

Has Iran killed any of them??
No. So no, Iran is not a threat to them.

Man I hope this echos the nominee. Can you really sit there with a straight face and say Irans hands have no blood on them? Who do you think finances Fatah? Are you going to claim they never killed any americans as well?

This is the kind of BULLSHIT that is killing opponents of Obama. Do you REALLY think Cuba would attack the US?

You might as well give him the election now. You have nothing.

"Do you REALLY think Cuba would attack the US?"

Vern does. And Crisp jumped right in to defend him.

Then let the chips fall where they may.

Do you REALLY think Cuba would attack the US?"

Vern does. And Crisp jumped right in to defend him.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-05-19 03:12 PM

Lick my left nut san. I never defended Vern or anyone else.( Not that Vern needs any defending) It was your post I responded to. If it will shut your yap... No I don't think Cuba would attack us. On the other hand you don't know what is up the sleeves of these leaders. It is not a stretch their pacts could lead to a economic threat or attack on American interests.

"Fatah"

fatah has no power and yasser arafat is dead

what are you talking about?

are you thinking hezbolla??

in iraq at least new intelligence shows that the weapons we were calling iranian weren't iranian at all.

"Fatah"

fatah has no power and yasser arafat is dead

what are you talking about?

are you thinking hezbolla??

No Mr. Helper. Fatah, Hamas, Hezbolah... All have or had ties to Iran and their finances.

"It is not a stretch their pacts could lead to a economic threat or attack on American interests.

Posted by crispee_oc"

But then, that was NEVER the point at all, now was it.

PS: I can't lick your left nut until you move your face out of the way.

"It is not a stretch their pacts could lead to a economic threat or attack on American interests."

It isn't a stretch, it is a ridiculously stupid idea that isn't even worth considering seriously.
It is a pathetic attempt to save some little tidbit of dignity after humiliating yourself because of your utter lack of knowledge about any of the things you opine about.

"...you don't know what is up the sleeves of these leaders."

In which Crispy enunciates the main reason Repubs give for starting wars. herm

crispy
the usa had ties to iraq and saddam
does that mean anybody that is an enemy of iraq should not come to the table to talk to the usa

of course not

maybe if we came to the table and talked like we do with north korea, the situation would change in iran

nobody thought kim jong would stop his nuke program, but guess what, we talked and he did, and thats AFTER he had the bomb already.

and kim jong is wayyyy crazier then ahmedinijad.

"and kim jong is wayyyy crazier then ahmedinijad."

And Ahmedinijad doesn't really have any power to attack anyone anyway. That power is held by the religious mullahs who run Iran.

I get such a kick out of the right wing nuts around here.

They so quickly fall for the latest line the WH puts out. Iraq was a 'grave threat' to the U.S. - nukes and all. Or do you conveniently forget that?

The REAL threat is still on the loose - 7 fucking years later, the world is pissed off at us, and we're LESS safe as a result of the right wing hero's actions.

So, now the lying dumbasses in the WH need another boogieman - one who doesn't hold any real power in Iran. We had a real opportunity when Khatami, the reformist, moderate, pro-Western Iranian President was in office and wanted to open a dialogue with us. But, the morons in the WH told him to shove it. So, the hardliners in Iran said, "SEE? We told you so!", and they voted in Ahmadinejad - who's just as foolish and stupid as W is.

Gullible idiots fall for anything the WH tells you - again and again, time after time.

BOO!!! It's your hero's fault Ahmadinejad has the Iranian presidency in the first place. They don't scare me, but then again I'm not a gullible idiot like the sheeple who believe a word from the WH these days.

OK. Got the thread about an Obama rally to end up having a chunk devoted to arguments about Islam and Muslims. Thanks for the help.

The REAL threat is still on the loose

But, thank God, he only has 7 months left in his term. Unless the Repubs get his clone elected in November...God help us all!

"OK. Got the thread about an Obama rally to end up having a chunk devoted to arguments about Islam and Muslims. Thanks for the help"

too bad it made you personally look completely uninformed

thank you for representing that percentage of the public

did you learn anything?
obviously not because your purpose is clearly stated

Thank you for confirming how easy it would be to sail a boat, with a weapon, into Miami,

Wow Vern, you must be a short fucker, because the point seems to have gone right over your head.

Even if Iran does not have a nuke, it could be obtained from Pakistan or some disgruntled Russian.

I was advocating for the U.S. doing something about our own security, rather than attack Iran based upon false assumption, like we did Iraq. If we were to simply attack anyone who MIGHT sneak a nuke to our shores...just in case ... ..it would be a pretty long list. The U.S. has to protect itself, but not by attacking other countries based on future possibilities and paranoia. Some of you righties are fuckin' nuts!

did you learn anything?

Yes. I learned that just a mere whisper of Muslim or Islam in an Obama thread brings out the liberal rage.

/They doth protest too much.

danni, just admit your statement was ignorant and delusional.If you want to stick with your story Iran is not a threat to the United States back it up. But inlude citizens of the United States not just the land.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-05-19 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:


It must be hell living in fear of all things and all people.

Were you glad or sad when the soviet union fell? Seems people like you need to fear something at all times. GAYS! MUSLIMS! COMMIES! BLACK PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES!....OH MY!!!

"Yes. I learned that just a mere whisper of Muslim or Islam in an Obama thread brings out the liberal rage.

Posted by SE4NY6969"

Methinks thou doest mistake bemusement at your ignorance and lack of curiosity for rage.

but then again I'm not a gullible idiot like the sheeple who believe a word from the WH these days.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-05-19 03:57 PM |

If I remember correct, you also believe Obama never sat in one of Wrights racist sermons in 20 years. What kind of gullible sheeple are you?

He'll go in as Jesus Christ and end his presidency as the devil.