To recap:

Iran considers the Mahdi Army to be a key ally, is very concerned about the effect that a U.S. troop presence in Iraq would have on their geopolitical ambitions, and is "housing" Mahdi Army forces outside Tehran who fled to "escape arrest".

Sounds like Tehran is getting nerbus about al-Maliki's government.

American tactics in Iraq have always been too restrained. We should have razed Sadr City in Baghdad, when the so-called Mahdi army first opposed us there, and we should have killed al-Sadr. Then we should have proceeded to Basra and leveled his support centers there.

But instead we have allowed the situation to fester and pustules to form.

We are our own worst enemy when it comes to subduing opposition. If you're fighting a war, fight a war and use all of your technological advantages. We wouldn't even have needed to commit ground forces to action.

I would like to hear an explanation for our wearing of velvet gloves throughout this endeavor.

And that the U.S. should be experiencing an oil shortage, when we can seize so much Iraqi oil for the cheap, is intolerable. Nuttiness in action.

"To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace."
~Tacitus

I would like to hear an explanation for our wearing of velvet gloves throughout this endeavor.
Posted by Johnson

Easy.... we were at war with the iraqi government....not the iraqi people

thats why we gave saddamm many chances to leave the country....and dropped thousands of leaflets telling the iraqi forces to surrender (instead of bombing them)

i can see why our government chose the military plan.... would i have chosen the same plan...NO

but hey every general (armchair or not) thinks their plan is the best.....and wants their plan to be used

i guess when it comes to the conversation of AlSadr....you have to ask....what is iraqs plan for alsadr.....not what americas plan for alsadr

iraq has to iron out its own political agenda....it started with the purple finger....and it will end in a peace.....what happens in between is iraqis choice

if america wants results in iraq.....america need to put the focus and attention on the iraqi government....not the american government

we need to be more critical of iraq...instead of a out going president

Judas-
re: "we need to be more critical of iraq...instead of a out going president"

Sometimes it's kinda hard to do that, dude, since so much of what is wrong in Iraq is caused by the very Bush administration that you see as old news:

But then there's the malfeasance side of things. One of the former officials testified that "a senior State Department official had ordered agency employees not to give al Radhi references or contact him" for help with his asylum.

Sometimes it's kinda hard to do that, dude, since so much of what is wrong in Iraq is caused by the very Bush administration that you see as old news:


BET... i know its hard for some to turn the page...and success and failures of iraq will be debated for years to come

but to stake the out come of iraq (whatever the out come is)....only on a american president is really narrow thinking

iraq voted to take responsibility of thier country....what ever politics you agree with......iraq is a free people......and the iraqi government (although not perfect) is responsible for the direction of that country and the resources given them

the way out of iraq is through the iraqi government

if it wasnt...then we would have been out of iraq years ago

iraq can kick us out at anytime.....but they choose not to

Judas-
I've reserved judgment on the level of moron in your posts, but I can't ignore this in good conscience

re: iraq can kick us out at anytime.....but they choose not to

YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON

Too much Oil for those greedy oil companies of Dubya's buddies to leave Iraq. THAT and Dubya's unwillingness to accept the truth is why We are still in Iraq today. Bank on it.

Larry Mohr

BET....name calling is hardly a discussion


tell me why cant iraq government kick us out of iraq

Dubya wouldn't leave even if the Iraqi Government demanded us to leave. The Iraqi Government is a Puppet Government of the Bush Administration. Do You not see this??

Larry Mohr

The Iraqi Government is a Puppet Government of the Bush Administration. Do You not see this??


Larry.... do you think iraq knows this???

Dubya wouldn't leave even if the Iraqi Government demanded us to leave

Larry..... what is the motivation of the iraqi government in keeping us there

Judas-
You don't seem to know this.

After all, you said not an hour ago that, "iraq can kick us out at anytime.....but they choose not to"

So .... what am I missing here?

Judas-
re: Larry..... what is the motivation of the iraqi government in keeping us there...

um..maybe because we back a weak and corrupt gov't that relies on us as its primary support, and that gov't would fall if we withdrew?

(Just a guess, moron)

Yes the Iraqi Government knows it's a Puppet Government. They've been there done that once before with the Baathist party and the CIA implanting them into Iraq. Same reason as before Oil Control.

Larry Mohr

BET...nevermind... your right....whatever you want to hearyour name calling is just turning this conversation meaningless....good night

LARRY...so you are saying money and power keep iraq from being free of US control.....and the only answer to peace in iraq must come from us

Geez, - what did those rightwing morons think was gonna happen? Can anyone spell i-n-e-v-i-t-a-b-l-e.

There will never be true peace from the United States as long as there is one drop of Oil in the grounds of the Middle East. Bank on THAT.

Larry Mohr

Judas-
You fucking moron! We occupy Iraq and have an unsustainable and corrupt gov't in place. The Iraqi people at large want us to leave, but the gov't doesn't. Go figure, if you are capable.

Larry....then if the US gives iraq government all the money and power....then why dont they do everything we tell them to (since we are the reason the government exsist)

Larry....the iraqi government is a dog bitting the masters hand

would an iraqi government under our control be allowed have the iranian president visit iraq

would a iraqi government under our control allow alsadr to kill US forces

would a iraqi government under our control be allowed to take 18+ billion

would a iraqi government under our control be allowed to start a civil war

Because it's made up of 3 distinct factions Suni Shi-ite and Kurds. they will never agree to what Dubya wants so Dubya will still stay there trying desperately to get what He and His administration wants which is those PSA's signed which will give the Multinational Oil Companies 75% of the profits for the next 20 to 30 Years. THIS is why. The Iraq Government is fighting amoungst themselves to determin which one will be"Leader" of the whole Country of Iraq.

Larry Mohr

Judas-
You make good arguments for the weakness of both the Iraqi gov't we set up, and for our weakness in the region. Carry on.

Um... BetelG.... I don't think that was the point he was trying to make. It just came out that way.

Judas Yes Dubya allows those things to happen because all He cares about is that oil control NOTHING more.

Larry Mohr

What you fail to understand is that Bush's war is a failure. Not only that, but his failure has crippled the effort in Afghanistan, and bin Laden is partying like it's 09/10/01. The whole thing is such a bungle that if Bush had any soul he would have resigned in shame years ago.

(that was to Judas, who gets his news from Fox, talk radio, and the safe at home war cheerleaders online)

the iraqi government is a dog bitting the masters hand

The Iraqi Government is merely a poorly designed puppet that won't play it's part.

The Militias are the dog here, doing what dogs do ...defending their turf.

would an iraqi government under our control be allowed have the iranian president visit iraq

The Iranian President drove to downtown Baghdad in broad daylight on a road American troops have to travel in large well armed conveys in order to traverse safely.

He didn't have to scurry in under cover of darkness like a thief in the night as do Cheney and his Pet Chimp.

Wot does that tell you?

would a iraqi government under our control allow alsadr to kill US forces

Not just Sadr. Everybody in Iraq wants to see the US soldiers/mercenaries dead and/or gone.

If you were in their shoes so would you.

would a iraqi government under our control be allowed to take 18+ billion.

You think the missing Billions went to Iraqis?

Fuck, are you that naive/under-informed?

would a iraqi government under our control be allowed to start a civil war

You think a civil war is "allowed" to happen?

The Iraqi Civil War was decades in the making and in a sense unavoidable. It was also part of BushCo's game plan. Part of the chaos desired by BushCo to perpetuate the presence of the occupying army and the neo-praetorian guard (aka mercenries).

"We Can't Leave Yet" (TM)

American corporations desire, above all else, a complient client state with yet another dictator in power who is willing to enforce sweetheart deals to US and UK based multinationls.

This is the American MO.

Has been fer decades.

Since before WWII, in fact.

This time it aint working.

Go figure.

Judas you don't half half a fucking clue wot yer talking about.

EVAR.

Be Well.

Larry...what are your thoughts on a post bush iraq....do you think iraq will be less of a puppet government.... will iraq be fighting less


what do you think are the goals of the next president....will they still try to stabilise iraq before leaving...and if thats the case....how do you think it will be done

The Iranian President drove to downtown Baghdad in broad daylight on a road American troops have to travel in large well armed conveys in order to traverse safely.
He didn't have to scurry in under cover of darkness like a thief in the night as do Cheney and his Pet Chimp.
Wot does that tell you?

If THAT does not open the eyes of a Bushite I don't know what will. If Dubya and Company were doing something nobel wouldn't they have gotten the same treatment as the Iranian President does?? Every Bushite should really come to terms with THAT Glairing fact that they support not so nobel of a cause. Funny Dat Be.

Larry Mohr

All depends upon who wins in November, If Obama Wins I hope that He sticks to His plans and gets us the fuck out of there. As to how I have no clue. Will they be a puppet government still I sure hope not if Obama wins. As to the fighting they will be fighting to determin who is head honcho of the Iraqi Government. The Violence won't end if we leave. It's imbedded into them as a people.

Larry Mohr

Hey is Glaring spelt THAT way or Glairing?? Fuck if I know.

Larry Mohr

Larry... when i saw the iranian president gone to iraq....it showed me that iraq government is more in control than just being a puppet government

it shows iraq government will make independent decisions...just like the oil contracts

the point of this all is where you draw the line....when it come to the iraqi government being responsible for its own people...resources and government

Bush will be gone here soon......but we have yet to hold the iraqi government responsible

when will that happen....when a dem gets into office

Keep believing Your delusions that is Your right but they are not facts. When Iraq will be Free from us?? Hopefully when we do not have a corporate greedy fucker in the White House that isn't beholden to the Oil Industry Boys. I hope like hell it comes with Obama.

Larry Mohr

Larry....if anything else.....if Obama wins....the challenge for him will be

will he listen to his commanders or will he choose his own path and do what he says he will do

I hope like hell He listens to the American People. THAT who He should be listening to NOT the Commanders. We are the President's Boss NOT the other way around. That is what burns the bejesus out of Me when the right thinks the People are not in charge. They had better be in charge or we do not have America.

Larry Mohr

interesting times...Larry it was good talking to you....have a good night

LarRy, heard from Wolfie lately?

Ha, I just realized how much you must like my moniker.

Good times.

Oh great Rexy shows up and pollutes the Retort once again. I thought You had Your very own blog to run?? Did it die prematurely?? Oh and talk about Free Speech when You need a key to even read the shit. Some Free Speecher You are.

Larry Mohr

You are pollution LaRry, vile, caustic, and disgusting.

I just thought you would like a reminder of how sick you really are, as you disgorge your hatred of the president, and that no one else forgets it either.

Carry on faTmAn.

Its time to bomb Iran using its own weapons which have been captured in Iraq.

Wouldn't that be special. Who would they blame in the media then?

SEE YOU IN DENVER!!!


Bee Swell

What weapons would that be CPJ??? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Larry Mohr

Or how about we just leave.

Wouldn't that be special?

BYW, it's good to have at least one McCain supporter on this blog. Thanks for stepping up.

Larry-
It's well known that facts have a liberal slant, lefty.

Good Point BetelG

Iraqi and american soldiers have confiscated large quantities of weapons and munitions from insurgent groups that were made in Iran including IED's. Don't worry you can always claim its faulty intelligence or cooked up by the CIA.

Bee Swell

Show Me the money then CPJ Proofs in the pudding.

Larry Mohr

re: "Iraqi and american soldiers have confiscated large quantities of weapons and munitions from insurgent groups that were made in Iran including IED's"

First of all, I thought we were fighting the Sunnis just not too long ago.

Secondly, these "large quantities of weapons and munitions from insurgent groups that were made in Iran", can you document that without resorting to opinion pieces in right-wing rags, and is it more or less trustworthy than the crap they sold us about Iraq's WMD stockpiles.

Oh, also- It's nice to have at least one McCain supporter on this blog. Thanks for being bold.

Crackpipe-
Dang! Did we rain on your parade of people you don't know killing other people you hate, but don't know?

I hope we didn't take the fizz out of your armchair game of Psycho-Risk (tm).

Dayummmmmmm I am sorry CPJ better luck next time.

Larry Mohr

You are pollution LaRry, vile, caustic, and disgusting.

I just thought you would like a reminder of how sick you really are, as you disgorge your hatred of the president, and that no one else forgets it either.

Carry on faTmAn.

Posted by dawgpound at 2008-05-14 11:07 PM | Reply | Flag:


Why do you always play the man and not the ball? Try making an on topic point for once, little demagogue.

bE sWeLL

Read Em and weep.

"Those officials spread out on two small tables during a news briefing an array of mortar shells and rocket-propelled grenades with visible serial numbers that the officials said link the weapons directly to Iranian arms factories.....The officials, who insisted on anonymity as a condition of the briefing....Because the elite Qods Force is involved, a senior military analyst said, the American intelligence community believes that the weapons shipments have been approved at "the highest levels of the Iranian government." Still, no direct evidence was presented of how the intelligence community has made that link.....During the briefing, the senior United States military officials were repeatedly pressed on why they insisted on anonymity in such an important matter affecting the security of American and Iraqi troops. A senior military official said that without anonymity, for example, the military analyst could not have contributed to the briefing.


Sounds like a sack of shit without the sack, but then you bought it last time...

What a load of BULLSHIT CPJ. Can You be more gullable?? Probably so.

Larry Mohr

Oh and what a monkier You have chosen. CrackPipeJunkie. I would have thought You would have chosen cokesnorterjunkie in "Honour" of Your leader Dubya. I don't think crack was His thing.

Larry Mohr

Junkie-
Calm down a bit in your zeal to bomb people you've never met and look at this with a fresh perspective unburdened by your irrational hatred and blood lust, if possible:

We toppled a horrible Sunni, yet secular, dictator who had nothing to do with 9/11 in a country that is overwhelmingly Shiite (as is Iran). This left a vacuum that was inevitably filled by Shiites in our brand new purple finger gov't in Iraq. Why we did this will no doubt be the crux of many historical papers revolving around why the Bush administration is the worst ever, but that's beside the point. The issue you have to deal with is that Iran has POLITICAL traction in Iraq, but all we have is military might.

Let me take another tack:

If the case that Iranian weapons are the cause of Bush's failure in Iraq, then why is the best article you could come up with relying on the words of "anonymous officials" who refuse to allow scrutiny of their dog and pony show? If the case were clear, wouldn't Bush be talking about it?

I do appreciate your desire to bomb another country, but don't you think that after you were sold a bill of goods by the very same administration you should be less eager to follow them over a cliff again based on "anonymous officials"?

Seriously.

Gotta go. Rock on.

Crackpipe, you can't let LENNY talk to you like that?

I am surprised Lenny has so much time on his hands. I mean after all he teaches his kids how to properly have anal sex all day long.

Kuma

boydbadweekbarneycooperbetelg and Larry arguing the same points, that's quite the braintrust you guys got going there...