So, all those people that said this was an inside job don't seem so crazy now, hmmmmm?

So, all those people that said this was an inside job don't seem so crazy now, hmmmmm?


Sure they do.

"Sure they do."""?????

"The correction for that, I suppose, is [another] attack."

Sorry Jeff, I'm not saying 9-11 was an inside job but the evidence is mounting. One think for certain, Rummy is certifiably crazy and it doesn't make you appear intelligent to deny it.

Muslim terrorists will attack us when they are able with or without Rumsfeld's comments. Hpwever, it will be more likely when the cowardly dems gain hegemony. Dems advocate surrender and defeat and that will embolden terrorists who see that for what it is, weakness.

Is it an inside job to stand by while others go ahead with what you already have plans to benefit from?

I agree, the net effect would be the same, more or less.

So Danni you have another degree in psychiatry?

This is very old news, when rummy first made such a statement it was here on the DR some time back.

"This is very old news, when rummy first made such a statement it was here on the DR some time back."

Yep, digging up old stuff so we don't have to talk about Obama.

KBM

Or, try to talk about Obama as long as possible to keep from focusing on McCain.

McCain, Paul, and Barr. This is gonna be fun.

All of you anti-american leftwing fucks should read this, twice.

Posted by 101Chairborne

Man, chair, you got sand in your redacted this morning?

Bush refused Castro's offer of hundreds of highly trained emergency medical personnel after Katrina, so what's your point?

Rumsfeld's crazy. There aren't many "anti-american" leftwing fucks here, Chairface, just "leftwing fucks."

There is no evidence whatsoever from this article that there was or was planned to be an inside job. He's simply saying that if we were attacked again, the people would vote Republican....This is patently true. He says nothing about arranging it, which would be the easiest thing in the world to do. You folks are projecting the cynical attitudes you have onto other people...Grow up!

Its not important that more people are killed. What's important is to teach America a lesson that they better not support any fucking Democrats.

Rummy's definition of the United States is the Republican Party. That's important because (like Greenspan) the Republican Party is the best vehicle for rigging the system from within. Thus they line their own pockets with the crumbs provided by those they are doing the rigging for.

There is no evidence whatsoever.... You folks are projecting the cynical attitudes you have onto other people...Grow up!

Posted by jonryker

Is that the prevailing sentiment you gather from the majority of posts on this thread, JR?

I think it's you who appears to be doing the projecting this morning.

Nutcase,

No, you miss the point again. It's about understanding what's happening in the world.

The point is not to vote for Democrats or not...it is that if you put your head in the sand about this threat, it will bite your head off....the Dems happen to be the party attempting to put their heads in the sand on this, so by definition, if the voters understood the seriousness of the threat, they would not vote for Dems.

Your view is so cynical and partisan, that you probably can not see the difference. If Bush had been a democrat at this point in history, he would intentionally have allowed an attack or two to get through to keep the population scared and to keep support for the war high. He did the opposite, and people stopped worrying. That's ok, he did the right thing anyway. Billary would not have come to the same decision. Obomba wants no part of the conflict at all, so he would simply have started negotiating with the bosses of the bombers...

Part of Bush's undoing was his phenomenal success at preventing other attacks. Another part of it was the incompetence with which he handled the aftermath. Another part of it is his inability to communicate what was happening....Rummy was just talking about the first point, which is very true.

Man, chair, you got sand in your redacted this morning?

Bush refused Castro's offer of hundreds of highly trained emergency medical personnel after Katrina, so what's your point?

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-05-14 10:04 AM | Reply

Your non sequitur aside, it's not my point, it's the Aussie journo's.

"Part of Bush's undoing was his phenomenal success at preventing other attacks."

Best-case scenario: you are delusional, Commander Ryker, and should be relieved of command.

I'm persoanlly a liberatarian fuck. Which means that I am free to naviagte between the extreme Dem and Rep party lines to pick and choose what seems to be true, not just lock-step rhetoric.

The truth is that it was not an 'inside job' in that it was planned and sponsored by the administration but it was an inside job because it was known well in advance what was planned (Israel warned the US 6 months in advance) and it was 'allowed' to happen (for economic reasons).

Those world trade center buildings were getting old anyway. The people killed in NY, Washington, Iraq and Afganistan - colateral damage. What's a few thousand ordinary lives when you're talking about being able to give a 'campaign promised' tax cut and at the same time make record profits for the people that own the presidency.

the Dems happen to be the party attempting to put their heads in the sand on this...

Posted by jonryker

Talk about "cynical and partisan" statements.

Part of Bush's undoing was his phenomenal success at preventing other attacks.

Posted by jonryker

I'm going to let that statement stand for itself.

Pretending that Democrats won't protect us is about all right wing tools can do these days. Even the morons on the right are starting to realize what a complete disaster the unnecessary invasion of Iraq was and so their only hope of fooling anyone again into voting Rethug is to use fear. Hey guys....it isn't working any more. That is what that POS Rummy was saying you dumb asses. He was saying that only another attack would frighten America into voting Rethug again because the country is getting wise to the lies. Rummy belongs behind bars. If Bush doesn't pardon him, along with all of the administration, he will be soon.
BTW, if Bush does pardon these fucks without them being charged with crimes will those pardons mean anything??? Can you be pardoned for a crime you haven't yet been accused of??? Rummy and others would like to know.

All of you anti-american leftwing fucks should read this, twice.

I raise my hat to you, sir, for you are possibly the finest troll on this website.

because the country is getting wise to the lies.
Posted by danni

I don't know if its the lies that are causing the defection from the GOP. I think it's more that we're losing the war in iraq, not that we're fighting it.

Lies? I think most people write them off as something to be expected. Not me, but I get written off by the same people as naive.

it's not my point, it's the Aussie journo's.

Posted by 101Chairborne

The Aussie Journo didn't post that article here, you did.

and not a non sequitir, point being if it was acceptable for Bush to refuse Cuba's help post Katrina, it is acceptable for Myanmar's government to refuse Bush's aid.

I don't htink either is acceptable, but if you take the one, you have to take the other.

I raise my hat to you, sir, for you are possibly the finest troll on this website.

Posted by crescentwindx at 2008-05-14 10:42 AM | Reply |


Awww shucks!
I have to admit though, I did realize that some would take "anti-american leftwing fucks" to mean that anyone left of center is anti-american. That was not my intention, but I could care less if people took it that way.
It really was for the anti-american wing of the left.

It really was for the anti-american wing of the left.

I figured as much - I just find it funny that you have a great talent for inciting the more...fanatical members of the left on this site.

So, congrats. :D

The Aussie Journo didn't post that article here, you did.

and not a non sequitir, point being if it was acceptable for Bush to refuse Cuba's help post Katrina, it is acceptable for Myanmar's government to refuse Bush's aid.


I don't htink either is acceptable, but if you take the one, you have to take the other.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-05-14 10:47 AM | Reply


Seeing as though the point of the article wasn't Burma's refusal to at first take the aide, I'll once again point out that your rebuttalhas nothing to do with what I posted.

Why not just quote me and then reply with a muffin recipe? It would make as much sense.

Ryker, taking your words here:

He's simply saying that if we were attacked again, the people would vote Republican

Rumsfeld: Republicans Could Benefit from Terror Attack (edit mine)

of all the conspiracy plots that abound i have never heard anything from anyone who could prove they participated in it ----as corrupt as our system is i couldn't see anyone who would take part in such a plot that wouldn't sell their story for th fame and fortune that would follow----where is deep throat when libs really need him
jasman

As an addendum to my 1125:

Because I cannot see how this nation would benefit from another attack resulting in the loss of lives, regardless of their race, gender, crreed, or political stripe.

where is deep throat when libs really need him

Last we saw, he was "pitching" softballs to your hero.

RUMMY, RUMMY, RUMMY you never disappoint, you fucking Republicians will have to work overtime to spin this. Clearly the Republician Party has benefited from the attacks of 9/11 an to there everlasting SHAME they used the death of 3,000 Americans to make Millions (GUILIANI), an to keep the Nation in constant fear to help them maintain there hold of the White House.

If there is to be another attack how about the National Republican Convention 2008, then these assholes can go the way of the DODO bird. Strap a homemade device around RUMMY, an let it rip!!!!!

"It really was for the anti-american wing of the left."

Oh do clue us in. Which of us hate America????

I just can't wait to find out if I make the cut.

All of you anti-american leftwing fucks should read this, twice. ~Chairborne

99.99% of the time, people are criticizing the corrupt, failed presidency of George Bush, not providing humanitarian aid, you asshole.

My name is Donald "Don't worry we have enough troops they will all lay down their weapons and greet us as liberators trust me" Rumsfeld and I approve this message.

Letusreason,

I believe that was clearly what he was saying. However, I sensed nothing in that article that stated he wished that to happen, let alone that he was planning on making it happen.

Danni,

No, I don't think you hate America....you just like to feel smart by acting like you do.....serious hate, like, say Michelle Obomba, requires more gravitas and a more sinister mindset than you have. You mean well...you just don't think things through. She, on the other hand, genuinely hates Whitey, and she clearly identifies America with Whitey, which is ironic, since she really is an American, but clearly does not consider herself to be one.

JR,

I'm afraid you're the one who doesn't understand what's going on. Our Government has been hi-jacked by the Military Industrial Complex which is swimming in money thanks to Iraq et al.

Every year tens to hundreds of thousands more people die from easily treatable disease, incorrect medical care, industrial accidents, automobile accidents, and murder than from terrorism. The threat from terrorism is relatively trivial.

The war on terror is merely a ploy to justify lying cheating and stealing on a massive scale. The beneficiaries are AIPAC, Cheney and his cronies, including a majority in Congress that feed this monster.

Charlie chased the Russians out of Afghanistan for about $1 billion. BushCo is wasting more than that every day in taxpayer money. But that money is flowing into the pockets of the politically influential. They couldn't be happier, no matter how many schmucks die.

Why do Dems hate America? If you think about it, this right wing
dribble is patently illogical. Are the millions of Dems suicidal? So self-hating that they would forfeit their security and well being to the whims of their self-loathing? Not! It's just the same bullshit meant to frighten the easily frightened. The lib dems I know love themselves unequivically, just like we love money, fun, cars, sex, rock n' roll, beer, paintball, sports, movies with explosions, battlestar galactica (had to give a plug) video games, family, spirituality, and, oh, yeah, some little things called honesty and empathy and respect. Values which withered off the right's vine long, long ago. The mental midget rights shoeboxing of libs and dems is soooooo tired. Rush really is a one trick limp dick poney, inn't 'e then? Lib Dems want to, and will win the war against Jihad -- our enemies will be punished... smartly and, yes, according to the values that are what made this country great in the first place. Is that unrealistic? If so, then what's the point of American "values"? Prediction -- the national security handle is taken by the dems and wielded with the intelligence and strength that best represents our ideals. The right has lost the... errr, right. No longer will I, or any other Dem/Lib I know allow them to brand us -- the true patriots -- as anti-American. Try it and face the consequences, scum bags. Your time is done. See ya.

"Is it an inside job to stand by while others go ahead with what you already have plans to benefit from?

I agree, the net effect would be the same, more or less."

That's the key point here. Inside job is not the proper phrase that applies. He is saying that the government, like FDR in 1941 and (according to some tinfoil hat wearers) Bush in 2001, should let the attack occur in the name of some greater vision, in this case the greater vision being the ability of the GOP to regain the House. It's pretty sick logic, however true it may be.

It's like saying that the fat guy over there would benefit from having a heart attack because it would shock him into finally eating right. It may be true, but it is an exercise in diabolical logic.

..serious hate, like, say Michelle Obomba, requires more gravitas and a more sinister mindset than you have.


You gotta be fucking kidding me. You've got to be about as bright as that grandma on TV who refused to believe Obama was wasn't a muslim, even when the reporter told her so.

Again, I am ASHAMED that you haven anything to do with educating anyone.

You've got to be about as bright as that grandma on TV who refused to believe Obama was wasn't a muslim, even when the reporter told her so.

Whatever Geraldo Rivera says, I'm on board. Yessir.

Lets NOT FORGET that 120 US Soldiers are committing suicide EVERY WEEK. That alone dwarfs 9-11.

Our leaders and their greedfucking supporters simply don't give a shit.

"Rumsfeld: US Could Benefit from Terror Attack

Lets NOT FORGET that 120 US Soldiers are committing suicide EVERY WEEK."

Too bad Rummy didn't hit the back of the carrier when he was a Naval aviator. It could happen to anyone.

nutcase your post at 03:46 PM was right on!

my most favorite Rummy saying by far tho is:

There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

-Donald Rumsfeld