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POSTVILLE, Iowa -- A raid by federal immigration officials at the nation's largest kosher meatpacking plant may have resulted in as many as 700 arrests, immigration officials said Monday, making it one of the largest raids ever. Agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement entered the Agriprocessors Inc. complex in northeast Iowa Monday morning to execute a criminal search warrant for evidence relating to aggravated identity theft, fraudulent use of Social Security numbers and other crimes, said Tim Counts, a Midwest ICE spokesman. Immigration officials told aides to Rep. Bruce Braley, D-Iowa, that they expect 600 to 700 arrests. About 1,000 to 1,050 people work at the plant, according to Iowa Workforce Development, the state's employment services agency.

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Damn, there goes another state KaliKrisK can't move to.

Damn, there goes another state KaliKrisK can't move to.

Posted by Jomama at 2008-05-13 05:59 PM
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No need to shed tears for me, Aunt Jomama (also cowardly hiding under one of his numerous other phony usernames -- "DumbasRocks").

Makes no difference to me if ICE rounds up half of your family and friends in these illegal alien raids. Or are they your employees -- or both? Do you help them steal Americans' Social Security numbers? Better be careful, Aunt "DumbasRocks" Jomama, 'cause IRS just might come after your own illegal ass one of these days.

But keep your chin up, maybe if you save enough money from your job at the car wash you can buy a Grayhound bus ticket and go visit your recently deported family members and employees.

Or, in your case, you'd have to take a slow boat to China to pay your illegal alien relatives a visit. Say, Aunt Jomama, been meaning to ask you -- how's the weather been lately in your northern neck of the woods? Perfect? Stormy?

"Damn, there goes another state KaliKrisK can't move to."

I'm sick of this shit. For the last time, I do not hate beaners. Got it? Let me say it slower. I. Do. Not. Hate. Beaners.

Sincerely,
CalifChris

awww, did Aunt Jomama aka DumbasRocks aka TPS email his little burritobrained buddy to help him out. Ooooo, we racebaiters are too cowardly to fight one on one so let's all do one of our usual "group email gangbangs" and jump in and attack one poster. Where's Moneywar? He's usually here with you blogthugs by now too. Don't you always attack 8 to 1?

You have plastic balls, Nullidiot. If anybody wanted reinforcements to gangbang on one poster I would think they would pick YOU as the last one they would call in for for a racebaiting gangbang. Maybe you were the only one around drooling over your keyboard at the time.

Next time tell your email gangbang blogbuddies to send in some real competition 'cause you sure ain't it.

Nullidiot

Got to run. Lou Dobbs is on now on CNN.
Run and watch it.
Lou takes on the America haters like you and Jomama and verbally grinds your ilk into mincemeat.

A pleasure to watch.

"Aunt Jomama aka DumbasRocks aka TPS email his little burritobrained buddy to help him out."

Paranoid moron. Isn't it time for your bubblebath?

Okay, am going to take a bubblebath now.
...

Posted by CalifChris at 2008-05-08 11:31 PM

"Okay, am going to take a bubblebath now.
...
Posted by CalifChris at 2008-05-08 11:31 PM"


Posted by nullifidian at 2008-05-13 07:50 PM



Gee, Nullidiot, do you think you'd have room for two in
your bubblebath?

I just got a letter from my city's Dept. of Water and Power urging us
to conserve as much water as possible.

Hey Chris get You a 5 Gallon Water can(Like a Gasoline Gas Can but for water. grab You some of Your favourate Bubblebath liquid and a nice pair of hipwaders(Make sure You get an oversized pair so it comes up to Your shoulder blades) Run You a hose from said watercan to the top of Your hip waders and then run You a high pressure hose on the other side of the hipwaders so Youare blowing the warm water around Your body. Then take You a BubbleBath. Then when finished take You a coffee filter(One of those metal ones and recycle the water back into Your 5 gallon watercan. and Volla You have taken You bubble bath and conserved upon Your water usage. easy peasy.

Larry Mohr

Larry,

You were smiling when you wrote that, right?
Please tell me you were.

Where do you suggest I take your "hip wader" bubblebath anyway? In my backyard with all the neighbors looking down on me in my yard? I think somebody would call the cops and have me arrested. Err, and a little hard to get really clean everywhere you need to while wearing hip waders, isn't it?

I believe in conservation, recycling, and being a "friend of the Earth" and all that other pro-ecology stuff but I'm not going that far!

Actually I was being deadly serious. That is how I used to take a bath when I was out camping somewhere. Get some water in a 5 gallon water can and set it upon the top of the car early early morning. By around 3 or 4 oclock it will be nicely warmed up. Get into the hipwaders and add a few cups(Not Measuring cup cups) of soap and dump in them. walk around for a while sloshing that warm sudzy water and it will get most of the grime and muck off of You. Then when You get done just lay Your happy ass down allowing the water to escape. and voilla You have taken a Bath. Sure it won't be as clean as say a tub bath but You are trying to conserve water and we all know You can't get squeaky clean by conserving water. Your low flow toilets can atest to that. It works nicely Chris. Oh and washing Your hair is easy. Just find You a stream somewhere dunk Your head in the water and get some Johnson and Johnson no more tears shampoo and wash Your hair like normal. Why the J and J no more Tears?? Because it doesn't have all of those nasty chemicals in it to pollute the stream. Easy Peasy really.

Larry Mohr

After Brown Carter gets elected these fine southern neighbors will all be welcomed back.

"Damn, there goes our cheap slave-laobr." -- Repugs

"Damn, there go some potential voters." -- Dems

"Damn, we need those people to give us money." -- The Catholic Church

In the same way that Liberals, when taling about family planning and (women's) reproductive rights, use the phrase "unwanted pregnancy", I propose we use the phrase "unwanted immigrants" to refer to foreigners who invade our country illegaly or overstay their legal welcome.

Maybe then they will finally get a fucking clue we don't want them here if they are illegal aliens.

What do you think?

It doesn't say in the article if management was arrested. Someone hired all these people and it is they who should be going to jail.

Jail? Hell, they probably got a tax credit.

Jail? Hell, they probably got a tax credit.

It doesn't say in the article if management was arrested. Someone hired all these people and it is they who should be going to jail. - Danni

Absolutely. Which of the three candidates supports this position?

Anyone who's not a fan of these raids is suspect.
You want to come here and work? Fine, get to the back of the line.

Real interesting bit of info. A buddy of mine was visiting a top wine growing region in Hungary, Eger, this past weekend. He was invited by a vineyard for tastings and to watch vine graftings. He was surprised to learn that the vineyard specifically flew Mexicans in from California to do the work since they had the best skills and were the fastest. And no they aren't the cheapest by far there is very cheap labor from Slovakia, Romania and Serbia available.

The point is the fucking idiots like Califchris keep missing out is Mexicans are employed by the agriculture industry because they are the BEST labor.

seriously how many Americans grow up knowing how to harvest? How many americans would enjoy the life of a migrant worker following harvests around the country and busting their backs for 1-2 weeks for each harvest? living in pretty "rustic" temp housing?

well I hear now American farmers are plowing more of their crops under because the Mexicans are staying away.

CalifChris why don't you get your lazy fucking ass out central Cali and harvest my fucking asparagus bitch?

"Which of the three candidates supports this position?"

Fair question and I have to admit (and I have before) that Obama needs to reexamine illegal immigration. That is one area that he is totally out of touch with us working class folks. If there were a candidate who was stronger on that subject but who wasn't a nut like Tancredo I would look very closely at switching to them and I think MILLIONS of other worker bees would too.
If he is "elitist" on anything that is one place the term is appropriate.

Thing is Furio....Mexicans have been agricultural workers in the US for decades and most of us Libs supported them and Caesar Chavez. Those jobs were truely jobs Americans didn't want to do. The problem is the MILLIONS coming in to take all kinds of other jobs and undercutting wages for many jobs Americans will do and have done always. We don't have anything against Mexicans, it's the wages they are forced to accept as illegal aliens by the employers who exploit them for cheap labor we have a problem with.

"well I hear now American farmers are plowing more of their crops under because the Mexicans are staying away."

I'm sure that if they paid high enough wages they could get someone to pick the crops.

fucking idiots like Califchris
POSTED BY FURIO
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Idiots like Chris?

Idiots like Chris understand immigration laws and can see first hand what illegal immigration does to local economies. Idiots like Chris want to see people who have been waiting in India for a Visa for five years to get a chance to come here before a guy who just was lucky enough to be born on the other side of the Rio Grande. Idiots like Chris know that if there was really that much demand for Mexican "expertise" in the field of agriculture, businesses would front the cost to have them brought here legally.

Idiots like you Furio, do not understand these things. I'd take a whole country of Idiots like Chris over a hand full of Furios any day.

"I'm sure that if they paid high enough wages they could get someone to pick the crops."

Danni, I hear Mexicans migrant workers get something like $8+ an hour. HOw much would you need to be paid to travel out into the farm land and be a migrant worker for one season?

I know I would need some seriously good money plus transport costs and expenses.


Thing is Furio....Mexicans have been agricultural workers in the US for decades and most of us Libs supported them and Caesar Chavez. Those jobs were truely jobs Americans didn't want to do. The problem is the MILLIONS coming in to take all kinds of other jobs and undercutting wages for many jobs Americans will do and have done always. We don't have anything against Mexicans, it's the wages they are forced to accept as illegal aliens by the employers who exploit them for cheap labor we have a problem with.

Posted by danni
* * * *

Translation:

Perfectly fine to hire Mexicans for what they were born to do: i.e., pick berries and work the fields, because those are things no self-respecting American will do. But as soon as they forget their place and become roofers and landscapers and welders and assembly line workers and pool installers and construction superintendents, we have to put our foot down.

Welcome to liberalism, plantation-style.

Less than 2% of illegals work in the fields.

"HOw much would you need to be paid to travel out into the farm land and be a migrant worker for one season?"

For me it would be quite a bit but then I'm not on the bottom rung of employment.

"Welcome to liberalism, plantation-style."

No RisR that isn't it at all. As soon as they have legal documents so that employers can't exploit them and make them work for less than Americans and as soon as we can control how many come into the country then the problem will be solved. YOur snide attitude reflects the arrogance of the Republicans who have allowed illegals (allowed??? Hell they have been recruiting them and purposely ordering Homeland Security to not enforce the laws) to come into the country in far greater numbers than is healthy for our economy. The low wages weren't passed down to consumers either. Check out the price of a house built by illegal labor....it should be far cheaper (it is crap BTW) than an American built home but it isn't at all.

Arresting illegals at their place of enployment is the best plan for "comprehensive immigration reform". Once they get the word in Mexico they will stop coming.

Arresting the employers and confiscating their businesses would work better. Put them in jail. With no jobs here they would quit coming and we wouldn't then be punishing poor people just struggling to earn a living.

Real interesting bit of info. A buddy of mine was visiting a top wine growing region in Hungary, Eger, this past weekend. He was invited by a vineyard for tastings and to watch vine graftings. He was surprised to learn that the vineyard specifically flew Mexicans in from California to do the work since they had the best skills and were the fastest. And no they aren't the cheapest by far there is very cheap labor from Slovakia, Romania and Serbia available.

Specifically, which vineyard hires Mexicans?

My in-laws live outside of Eger and we try to go there every couple of years. I may be wrong but I have never heard of any vineyard hiring Mexicans. I'm sure my in-laws would have mentioned it, as they are very sensitive about "foreigners" taking their jobs (mainly Romanians, Turks, and Gypsies).

In fact, it's a somewhat new phenomenon that Eger (specifically, "The Valley of Beautiful Women") actually has any decent wine. It used to have quite a reputation of making some of Hungary's worst rot-gut. Eger has always been a tourist destination for Hungarians, but through some international investment, it has become a major tourist destination for central Europe. Several of Eger's vineyards also export to the US and are usually described as variations of "Bulls Blood" (which the name also has an interesting story behind it).

I have no doubt that wine specialists in California were consulted but I have major doubts that Mexicans were imported for labor.

Arresting the employers and confiscating their businesses would work better. Put them in jail. With no jobs here they would quit coming and we wouldn't then be punishing poor people just struggling to earn a living.

Posted by danni

That would essentially make the employers de facto INS agents. Many illegals submit fake id's. Some share social security numbers with citizens. How much private investigating are you asking the employers to do to determine the immigration status of the employee?

I am sure by now thousand of Americans have lined up to apply for those jobs "no Americans want".

If we arrested enough illegals at their employers and Mexicans stopped coming, then the poor unemployed people in this country could fill those jobs. People on welfare in particular who have been willing to go to work for years would love those jobs. If we helped them by making welfare only good for 6 months that would encourage them to become productive members of society.

Mexico would also benefit because they could actually pursue policies that created jobs in Mexico.

DANNI, what do you think?

"I am sure by now thousand of Americans have lined up to apply for those jobs "no Americans want"."

Awwww. The poor owners of the meat packing plant will have to pay better wages. When they pay enough there will be plenty of applicants. Supply and demand and all that good stuff you know???

I think you're under the false impression that we have millions of capable people collecting huge amounts in welfare payments for their entire lives. I believe we passed welfare reform under the Clinton administration. Maybe we need to do a little more but for the most part I don't think that the people collecting would be capable of doing these jobs. I'm not in favor of starving kids, hey I know that's radical but what can I say.

Furio:
go live in any large city near the illegals and see how magnanimous you are then.

If we helped them by making welfare only good for 6 months that would encourage them to become productive members of society.

Posted by fwthom

If we aren't going to help people to get a job that does at least as good as welfare, how can we demand they get off the dole?

There are plenty of people defrauding our welfare system, who otherwise could work, but the vast majority are not proud to need welfare.

I think the "fix" for welfare and other forms of assistance is to change the recipients reluctance to inform on abusers. Lots of people who legitimately need assistance and who recieve it are very aware of those who don't deserve it yet still receive it. As in other areas like illegal immigration enforcement is too lax.

As in other areas like illegal immigration enforcement is too lax.

Posted by danni

I get an uneasy feeling when I think about encouraging citizens to turn one another in. Too Germany 1936 for me.

A good fix would be to allow recipients to be married and live with one another. People are forced to have two homes when only one is necessary, representing an unneeded drain on their already scarce resources.

I do know what you are saying Hagbard but let me just tell a short story. I used to live accross the street from a house being rented under Section 8 Housing. The people living there drove new BMWs, a Jaguar, etc. They dressed much better than I could yet they received Section 8. Well, I called the Housing Office for the City of Hollywood florida and to may amazement the office did its job. those thieves were out of there by the end of the month and....the owner of the property was so pissed that I called. I loved that. Since then, I'm sorry, they are receiving assistance which our taxes pay for, we have a right to make sure they are not abusing the system. It isn't as if we are reporting political activities or even pot smoking. NO, we're just reporting theft and I don't really think that is really similar to what occurred in Nazi Germany.

"A good fix would be to allow recipients to be married and live with one another."

I've read many righties complain about the break down of the black family because of welfare and yet it is really just what you mention which caused many to break down.

"The poor owners of the meat packing plant will have to pay better wages. "

No. The consumer is ultimately the one who will pay the better wage.

You have plastic balls, Nullidiot.

Posted by CalifChris

Good one CC

It impossible for me to understand how so many people support the Illeals. They steal our identies (big crime), put a great strain on our social services by taking every freeby there is (using emergency rooms for all their healthcare), keep wages low (by flooding the market with cheeplabor), and send billions of dollars out of country every year (in 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION), not to mention what they are doing to our schools with the bi-lingual requirements we have now.

Mexicans migrant workers get something like $8+ an hour.

Posted by furio

Isn't that more than the fast food places are paying?

If there was a shortage of labor the hourly wage would go up. Or is this too deep of thought for all you people that think it's great to have 20 million here illegaly?

Posted by furio at 2008-05-14 11:14 AM

CalifChris why don't you get your lazy fucking ass out central Cali and harvest my fucking asparagus bitch?

Ah, the sweetness and light exuding from this lefty is inspirational.

What a nasty fellow you are. I susepct that you are still wet behind the ears. No one with any maturity would be so childish. Are you home from high school or middle school today? Don't you get in trouble for playing hookey?

I've read many righties complain about the break down of the black family because of welfare and yet it is really just what you mention which caused many to break down.

Posted by danni

I hadn't ever considered that. Scary.

That's GOP thinking for you. Complain that government can't do anything right then go get elected and prove yourself right.

It impossible for me to understand how so many people support the Illeals.....
Posted by Sniper

I've yet to hear a single (coherent or otherwise) argument in favor of illegal immigration even attempted here. if you happen to know what that argument is, I'd love to know.

"Maybe then they will finally get a fucking clue we don't want them here if they are illegal aliens"
What do you think?
Posted by member2586 at 2008-05-14 10:37 AM

YEAH!

I think its more likely we will see a sharp rise in the cost of produce because farmers will have to pay for literate English speaking fruit/produce pickers resulting in higher wages for the workers and thus firmly rewadding your panties up your ass crack (cause lord knows todays "conservatives" hate people who via their work make "Their Way of Life" actually possible)!

That's what I think!

I think this because having Pulled Tobaco and Peppers myself back in grade school makes me GLAD someone else will do it!

"No. The consumer is ultimately the one who will pay the better wage."

The savings from illegal labor does not usually make it's way to the consumer. It is kept as profit.
If it does make its way to the consumer, well tough nookies. Other things rise in price, labor needs to also.

The need for agricultural workers could be met by importing gangs of workers for that specific purpose, and having them leave after they have completed their job. At one time Filipinos were imported to the Imperial Valley among other places in California for harvesting the crops. Mexicans were too. The guest worker program worked after the people fleeing the "Dust Bowl" were absorbed into the local population. The guest workers were more then more industrious than other native labor available, labor that is often now supported by welfare as their preferred alternative.

We need guest worker programs, not illegal aliens settling here.
Supposedly our programs are designed in our own self-interest. Otherwise we are acting irrationally.

Special provisions should be made for guest labor gangs. They should be kept together. Housed. Fed. Have medical care provided. Not be permitted more than one tax deduction and have this fact be incorporated in calculating compensation, and transported home to Mexico, or wherever when the harvest season was over. Also, there should be a change in law eliminating anchor babies, or women should be excluded and not permitted to work as guest workers.

The guest worker program would serve our needs and the needs of the people employed. Mexico would not lose its vital populations, and they would have extra money for whatever purpose they chose to use it.

Curtailing welfare programs would make workers available for employment in slaughterhouses, and the like. Restriction of welfare payments might force people into employment. Well that and stiffer jail sentences with fewer privileges while in confinement. Maybe we could also exchange some of our idlers for Mexican workers. Just a thought.

In fact, it is a fact that productivity has risen a great deal during the past seven years but wages have remained stagnant, therefore the profit on labor has increased. Thus it weakens the argument that illegal labor saves consumers money.

Curtailing welfare programs would make workers available for employment in....

Posted by Johnson

Just a thought, but....

Johnson is a euphemism for dick, right?

Your post makes more sense when it is.

OK, this is a good start. When are they going to deport the rest of them?

"When are they going to deport the rest of them?"

As soon as we elect Nazis willing to herd them into cattle cars.

The savings from illegal labor does not usually make it's way to the consumer. It is kept as profit.
If it does make its way to the consumer, well tough nookies. Other things rise in price, labor needs to also.

Posted by danni

How about all the hidden costs?

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
tinyurl.com

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. www.cis.org

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. www.cis.org

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
transcripts.cnn.com

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for ducation for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
transcripts.cnn.com

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illeg al aliens.
transcripts.cnn.com

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. transcripts.cnn.com

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers.
premium.cnn.com NSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
transcripts.cnn.com

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional
crime problem in the US.
transcripts.cnn.com

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of
drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report.
tinyurl.com

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
www.nationalpolicyinstitute.or
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13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
www.rense.com

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United
States". www.drdsk.com

Do you notice that raids aren't taking place on farms?
I believe this is because green cards are easily available for farm labors. This system has been working for a long time. By and large it is illegal non-farm workers that are targeted.
You can bet that the owners/managers of this business will be charged.

How about all that Sniper. Much of that could be considered as American taxpayer subsidies to private companies who employ illegal aliens.

Do this 50 times, close the border, imprison business owners or CEO's who knowingly use illegals for work, and pronto, problem solved.

close the border..

Posted by jonryker

..like closing the window. What an idiot you are!

Sooo... your name is John Smith, then, is it?

"Si"

Excellent! Welcome aboard.

Bubble-bath taking burrito sitter.

If we were able to stop illegal immigration we would have a lobor shortage, which could prove very healthy for our economy. Everyone who wanted a job would be able to get one.

Next, the best part: Cancel welfare and food stamps for anyone not willing to work. Round up gangs of former welfare recipients from the ghetto to work in the fields. Next, set up bleachers next to the fields where these gamgs work. Last, I would gladly pay to see those fat lazy fucks sweating their ass off picking lettuce.

"Round up gangs of former welfare recipients from the ghetto"

Like Burbank?

"Round up gangs of former welfare recipients from the ghetto"

Like Burbank?

Posted by Jomama at 2008-05-14 04:40 PM



Aunt "The Perfect Storm" Jomama (aka DumbasRocks) --

Priced houses lately anywhere in Burbank, homeboy?

btw -- I'm running out of bandwidth trying to include all your phony usernames


RE: Round up gangs of former welfare recipients from the ghetto to work in the fields. Next, set up bleachers next to the fields where these gamgs work. Last, I would gladly pay to see those fat lazy fucks sweating their ass off picking lettuce.

Posted by fwthom at 2008-05-14 04:39 PM | Reply


Yeah, we should forcibly "round up" people "from the ghetto" and put them into work camps.

It worked for Hitler...


Bubble-bath taking burrito sitter.

Posted by Jomama at 2008-05-14 04:38 PM


Proof you don't know your asshole from the hole that is your mouth.

Even someone like you, Aunt Jomama -- who uses "DumbasRocks" as one of your multiple phony usernames -- should know you eat burritos, not sit on them. You need some serious help, son.

email alert! email alert!

Calling Nullidiot, calling Nullidiot.

Email gangbang alert sounded -- desperate help needed by fellow blogthug Aunt Jomama/TPS/DumbasRocks.

Can you read me, Nullidiot? Aunt Jomama needs your help - pronto!

Too bad though because I've got other things to do so you'll have to gangbang each other.

Posted by geezer1 at 2008-05-14 04:13 PM

..like closing the window. What an idiot you are!

Mr. Ryker suggested closing the border, and this is your rejoinder?

Why is the suggestion that the border be closed viewed by you as idiotic?

Border closures work. The Great Wall of China worked. The Berlin Wall worked, keeping exits down to a trickle.

Just what is idiotic regarding the suggestion. Now your rejoinder indicates that you disapprove of the idea. Do you have a reason why, that you are willing to share?

Do you think that closing the border cannot be effected? Or do you support unlimited illegal entry into the United States? Do you think that the continuing flood of illegals confers a benefit on the citizens of the U.S.? Why and how?

Or are you just signaling mindless approval or disapproval based on your emotional reflex to ideas presented?

Maybe since it's a "kosher meat plant" only Jews should be allowed to work there. And if there are "halal meat plants," only Muslims shuld be allowed to work there.

Posted by BetelG at 2008-05-14 04:56 PM

It worked for Hitler...

An idea isn't discredited because "it worked" for something or someone you consider odious.

You are exhibiting the Nazi mentality yourself, BetelG. The Nazis for example, declined to use the cure for syphilis developed by Paul Ehrlich, a Jew, because of its association with Jews. That was not a particularly birght position to take, especially considering the outcomes for those not treated.

This is just to illustrate the fallacious nature of your reasoning and attempt to discredit something because of such an association.


"The Nazis for example, declined to use the cure for syphilis developed by Paul Ehrlich, a Jew, because of its association with Jews.

Posted by Johnson at 2008-05-14 05:10 PM"

And as a result, Johnson ended up with syphillis-related brain damage. Now you know... the rest of the story.

Paul Harvey

Or are you just signaling mindless approval or disapproval based on your emotional reflex to ideas presented?


Posted by Johnson


Please use the noodle that's between your ears. The government started talking about erecting a fence for 700 of the 2000 mile mexican border and now they have scrapped that as well. Are you such a moron that you would compare the great wall of china, which was built over an 800 year period and the Berlin wall, which was very small and our border situation? Either you and jonryker are the same person or you are as much of a moron as he is. I agree that keeping out illegals is imperative but we have to find a solution, i.e. make it unattractive to come here. To makew this work it has to be a mix of actions against the illegals themselves for being here and actions against employers for hiring them. Also, the process has to be strealined. Have special deportation courts and as soon as the judgement comes down, deport them instead of having then hang around and go through billion just to keep them in detention centers. It's a matter of supply and demand. If there is no demand there will be no supply.

Where's Paul Harvey been anyways. I haven't heard Him on the Radio for months now. Is He doing OK??

Larry Mohr

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-05-14 02:50 PM

Johnson is a euphemism for dick, right?

Are you male or female? Are you a female with penis envy wanting a "Johnson," or are you just being horny and craving sex. Or are you a male envying those males who are normally endowed and who have a "Johnson?"
Your post makes more sense when it is.

Good. I'm glad you've discovered a prism that improves your comprehension.

Ol' modest Paul?

"Paul Harvey is the most well-known newsman in the world. "

www.paulharvey.com

Ed Murrow is waiting in hell for you, Paul, you pathetic hack. Or you'll just croak soon.

Paul Harvey's piece on The Yellow Rose of Texas (Emily Morgan) made me want to puke.

Posted by geezer1 at 2008-05-14 05:37 PM

Either you and jonryker are the same person or you are as much of a moron as he is.

You are aware old boy, that words obtain their meaning from usage. Here I thought that moron meant something else, but since you call Mr. Ryker a moron, reviewing his posts it must mean someone particularly bright. Thanks for ranking me with him. My humility would have prevented me myself from arrogating such equivalency.
The government started talking about erecting a fence for 700 of the 2000 mile mexican border and now they have scrapped that as well.

Why? Because it was a bad idea?
Are you such a moron that you would compare the great wall of china, which was built over an 800 year period ...

Gosh now. Don't we have construction equipment available that could expedite the task? Some of this equipment can lift in one scope what would have taken a hundred workers an hour to move.
I agree that keeping out illegals is imperative but we have to find a solution, i.e. make it unattractive to come here.

Okay.
To makew this work it has to be a mix of actions against the illegals themselves for being here and actions against employers for hiring them.

Okay. I certainly am not opposed to multiple initiatives and streamlined processing of illegals for ouster. My support of the wall did not indicate that other means should not also be used.

Of course, there is the problem that the illegal aliens now integrated into our society will pose for our economy. Imagine the effect on landlords with empty units, and on lenders when landlords default and illegals who owned homes default. Imagine the effect on retailers when their businesses lose revenue, and they can't maintain themselves. And what of the fast food restaurants that appear to be staffed almost entirely by illegals.

Imagine the school system as teachers are laid off, and the cosntruction industry as there is a surplus of housing (and schools). Maybe an urban renewal initiative would help, and we could congregate populations in cities, or closer to other employment, requiring less travel to and from jobs.

The entire economy will take a huge hit when the illegals go. And we need to be braced for it.

I suspect that there are at possibly 25 to 30 million illegals in the United States. Quite a hit.

Oops. scope = scoop.

He came down with that awful cold everyone had a while back, and when he recovered, I believe he chose to stay off and spend time with his wife, who was dying from leukemia. She just passed away a week or so back

Clearly, if the undocumented workers had 'white skin privelage' there would be no talk of deporting human beings.

White supremacists: 1
Brown-skinned workers: 0

Obama will give much needed (and deserved) amnesty to tens of millions of human beings.

Be Well.

Dean-
re: "Obama will give much needed (and deserved) amnesty to tens of millions of human beings."

It's time's like these that we are best served by asking WWRD? (What would Reagan do?)

In this case it's an easy answer, because that's precisely what Reagan did do. So are you saying that Obama is just like Reagan?

"Priced houses lately anywhere in Burbank, homeboy?"

Why should I? I'm happy in San Marino. Better get off that telephone line, burrito sitter.

"Paranoia will destroy ya"

-The Kinks.

As long as the CEOs, bosses and floor managers are also arrested, I have no problem with this. Let's just not engage in disingenuous and selective prosecution by going after the most defenseless and least politically popular pawns.

As long as the CEOs, bosses and floor managers are also arrested, I have no problem with this. Let's just not engage in disingenuous and selective prosecution by going after the most defenseless and least politically popular pawns.

I always see complaints that immigrants came here to collect welfare. So they arrest them where they work? Why don't they arrest them at the welfare office? Why don't they arrest those welfare workers who give them money?


"Priced houses lately anywhere in Burbank, homeboy?"

Why should I? I'm happy in San Marino. Better get off that telephone line, burrito sitter.

Posted by LetUsPrey at 2008-05-14 07:17 PM


Nobody was talking to you about pricing houses in Burbank. So your answre to my post to someone else only makes you look like a total fool.

Unless "LetusPray" is yet another phony name for AuntJomama/TPS/DumbasRocks -- or are you just trying to find a reason to brag you're a rich snob living San Marino -- as if anyone gives a damn.

answre = answer

If we had the collective will to stop all this illegal immigration it would be easy: arrest them at the employment office, welfare office or school.

However, it is a strange coalition that keeps it all going: crazy libs, bloodsucking business men looking for cheap labor, and senile politicians like John McCain.

So there are 50,000 other places to crash to clean out the illegals.

Just cut off the benefits and the people will leave--the same way they got here...

No more health--no more school, no more college, no more jobs, no more anchor baby--stop the welfare state sponsored benefits and they will go...

Have the same laws that Mexico has for illegals--NONE allowed.

Heck have the same laws that Canada has--one parent must be a Citizen for the baby to be a citizen.

If you cut it off they will leave...

Murphy

it's odd that theres none just accross the border
in missouri

Why don't they arrest those welfare workers who give them money?

Posted by Ray
* * * *

Great question. The libs are anxious to lock up the evil CEO's who give them jobs. How about the lazy bureaucrat POS who cuts them welfare checks? How about the self-important lib feel-gooder who drops a dollar into their cup? Aren't these people also encouraging illegal immigration? Surely we haven't reached the point where "doing jobs no American would do" has extended to collecting a welfare check--after all, that's most of Hillary's voting base.

Some people are waaaaaay too sensitive.

"How about the self-important lib feel-gooder who drops a dollar into their cup?"

Wetbacks don't beg.

CUT OF FREEBIES!!!!

AHH!! the 1 issue "SOME" democrats and KUMa agree on! The only issue!

Ok let me tell it straight up.

1) take all these mother fucking employers and lock them down AT LEAST 2 years in FEDERAL PRISON. AT LEAST. And while they are in prison, I want them all but fucked several times for good measure.
2) take all these illegals that were caught and ship them south, right away. Issuing notice that if they are caught in the USA again, they shall meet their employers in prison for 2 YEARS minimum, with bubba waiting.
They kill 12-19 United States Citizens per DAY! Which is much much worse than the IRaq war ever was. We are at war at home.

Build more prisons. Law and order must prevail.

Kuma

Kuma,
Chill out, eh?

A few years ago I inadvertently hired two illegals. Their documentation checked out--all their papers in good order, etc. I did suspect, though, that they were illegal. Just a feeling, but we needed the labor. After six months of running ads in the paper, they were the only ones who came.

Should I go to prison? For how long? And if yes, can you send a certain manufacturing company welders willing to work for five months for $12 an hour?

You belong in jail, with no excuses mother fucker.

Take your stupid sympathy for yourself and shove it up your ass.

you are VERY lucky you do not know me, and I do not know you. because if I found out you were hiring illegals, I would personally make sure you get the full extent of the law placed on you and your family.

Again, for people like you that can't fucking read. the 12-19 americans being killed every day is not worth hiring people for $12 an hour.

Lives are more valuable. you fucktard idiot.

Kuma

Kuma Angry! Kuma break things! Kuma want to sex Danni!

Lol, 101. Kuma: pub32.bravenet.com

Hey Kuma: Fuck you in your goat ass, bitch! Bring it!

"Kuma Angry! Kuma break things! Kuma want to sex Danni!

Posted by 101Chairborne"

Kuma laughs in your face, 101. LOL LOL LOL LOL


Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Kuma

101, every single person here that is reasonable would be SUPER pissed like me if they lived through what I have.

I live in So. Cal. When I say this, I mean it.

EVERY single member of my family has been almost killed by an illegal. Every single one.

Me personally, this happened. I was sitting at a stop light at 7 PM, nobody behind me, S600 brand new mercedes in front of me. An illegal immigrant, with 5 people in the car (a clown car we call it in CA) hit me going 60 MPH, not even hitting the brakes.

this front end went under my back end, launching me entire car into the air, and I landed on the back of the S600 mercedes.
I almost died.

I fell out of the car onto the pavement after I got my seatbelt off. I was laying on the street, could not walk, or get up, and I was screaming at the stupid police officer to give me the DL# and Lic Plate number of the car that hit me, because I knew they were illegals.

The guy in the mercedes gave it to me later. He was ok.

So the ambulance comes, and takes the 5 mexicans to the hospital, because they are all fucked up, and the police officer asks me if somebody can come pick me up because there is no more ambulances available for me.

So then I get home, and have bruises all over my head, neck and chest from hitting the steering wheel and headboard area.

I find out from the hospital, that they treated and released all the illegal aliens, which did NOT have insurance OR drivers lic. LOL And I found out from the police that ICE was never informed because of special order 40.

So to sum it up. The illegals almost killed me, were PRIORITY in the ambulance, no room for me, a tax paying american. And they got out of the hospital FREE OF CHARGE, and were not deported.

And that happened in something like this to EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF MY FAMILY>

So, do you think I am angry? I am like hanoverfist in that movie "heavy Metal" in 1981.

"I AM GETTING VERY ANGRY"

Kuma

Has anyone seen the work of "The Amazing Racist"? That's one gutsy jew.

Picking up the illegals and taking them to INS is classic, but him going throughout the "hood" while wearing one is unbelievable.

They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!


--Kuma

Kuma,
You remind me of the Michael Douglas' character in Falling Down.

How about all that Sniper. Much of that could be considered as American taxpayer subsidies to private companies who employ illegal aliens.

Posted by danni

Finaly, something we aggree on.

like closing the window. What an idiot you are!

Posted by geezer1

So, don't just make stupid remarks, what would you do about it?

"his front end went under my back end...

Posted by Kuma at 2008-05-15 04:53 PM"

Kuma gets butt-fucked.

"I almost died....

and the police officer asks me if somebody can come pick me up because there is no more ambulances available for me.

So then I get home, and have bruises all over my head, neck and chest from hitting the steering wheel and headboard area.

Posted by Kuma at 2008-05-15 04:53 PM"

Kuma lies.

"The guy in the mercedes gave it to me later. He was ok.

Posted by Kuma at 2008-05-15 04:53 PM"

Kuma gets butt-fucked again.

"I landed on the back of the S600 mercedes.

Posted by Kuma at 2008-05-15 04:53 PM"

Kuma is too dumb to wear a seat belt.

"And that happened in something like this to EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF MY FAMILY>

Posted by Kuma at 2008-05-15 04:53 PM"

Kuma lies.

Kuma, the gift that keeps on giving.

"And while they are in prison, I want them all but fucked several times for good measure.

Posted by Kuma at 2008-05-15 04:24 PM"

Kuma offers to help with immigration problem.

"you are VERY lucky you do not know me, and I do not know you. because if I found out you were hiring illegals, I would personally make sure you get the full extent of the law placed on you and your family.

Posted by Kuma at 2008-05-15 04:42 PM"

Kuma makes internet threat to anonymous poster.

farm2.static.flickr.com

Kuma enjoys eating his own barf.

Kuma not the "A" student: www.strangecosmos.com

Kuma think wife hot: www.main.clara.net

Do you?

The movie falling down.

I am much worse than that, that guy wasn't even pissed.

I am pissed. Any liberal crosses me, they get the full extent of the law from my office thrown at them.

I will take everything you own, then give it to charity.

My law office is very good.

Kuma

They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-05-15 04:58 PM


Gee, sorry to hear that Nullidiot.


Give me your email address and if your floor nurse allows it, I'll email you once a month to see how you're coming along. And remember -- in your case -- meds are your friends.

I"m surprised after reading the article that they didn't mention any arrests of the ownership.

Why doesn't it make sense to arrest the owners - who MUST have known most of their employees were illegal. A 2 minutes credit check uncovers whether or not the number is valid, who it belongs to, and if it is an actually issued number - or not one issued before the birth of the suspected illegal. My wife does checks every day in her business. Illegals stick out like a sore thumb during credit checks. It's obvious at first glance.

I am much worse than that, that guy wasn't even pissed.

I am pissed. Any liberal crosses me, they get the full extent of the law from my office thrown at them.

I will take everything you own, then give it to charity.

My law office is very good.

Kuma

Posted by Kuma
* * * *

If you think I'm a liberal, then you're a retard. But for all your huffin' and a puffin', at least Michael Douglas had a busy day--going after skinheads, gang members, fast-food restaurants--what have you done, besides go on a 'blog and bloviate for a couple of days?

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