well they are coming up on some of the most racist states now

west virginia is probably the last place in america i would live.

kentucky. yea i'll stay away

actually...

i take it all back
a call to the browns of america.

move to these states and bring some curry
lets smoke em out bush style. ;)

hahah

Well that's what I always felt about the loser white trash in Penn. Generations of shit who never moved up in the world. Of course they hate Black and worse yet uppity Niggers like Obama. In the PA White Trash world you could always feel good about your shitty life because you could look down on Blacks. That's changing and they are not happy about it.

Without racism there would BE no Obomba volunteers.

without racism white people might not be the american majority.

Welcome to the real world.

So I'm to believe that the same ignorant white trash who won't vote for a black man will vote for a white woman???
They are less sexist than they are racist???
Somehow I doubt it.

danni

these racists would pick a white woman over a black man

but in the general election against a white man they would choose the white man.

thats right frank stallone... i mean john mccain

"They are less sexist than they are racist???"

Big time. Hillary would still struggle against McCain in white trash areas but she all she would have to deal with would be being a bitch not a Muslim in hiding or a Nigger.

Remember if a white woman had sex with a black man which one of them got lynched?

For the Obama Campaign to just now realize that RACISM will play in this election is laughable. Senator Obama needs to just get on with it he will win because he is the best candidate. I am a Liberal Democrat for Clinton an it is getting harder an harder to commit to Senator Obama with this constant questioning of the Clintons, remarks.

Its just disgusting to hear these left wing zealots blame the Clintons for the fact that Race is a problem in this Country, taint so!!!!! It is what it is, America is a Racist Country an maybe Senator Obama, can change this it sure as hell won't be MSNBC, FOX OR CNN who have fed on this racial divide for ratings from day one of this Campaign!!!

The Blacks in the Congress an around this Country, that are supporting Senator Clinton, does not see these comments as Racist, maybe you have to be a special Black, so that these special Blacks alone can see the sublimimal messages that the Clintons are sending out. Blacks will vote for Blacks and Whites will vote for Whites, what a concept......

For the Obama Campaign to just now realize that RACISM will play in this election is laughable.

That's not what the article states. The Obama campaign has been aware of stuff like this since day one. They're just downplaying it, and have declined to seek publicity for racially motivated incidents like the vandalism of an office in Indiana.

They realize, smartly I think, that calling attention to it would end up hurting the campaign by increasing racial polarization.

There are lots of states with a higher level of humanity where Obama will do fine. Personally, I would rather nominate who we want and risk losing the election than to bow to these human scum bags.

Actually, if anything, these racists are the best reason yet for Hillary to get out of the race and let Obama mount a national campaign.

danni

agreed
f these ignorant degressers

you don't negotiate with terrorists
and you dont' negotiate with hateful morons

According to Wikipedia, West Virginia had a clause in its constitution about Whites and Blacks not being taught in the same schools until 1994. 1994!

Anyone who expects Blacks to forget about 400+ years of slavery and discrimination after only 40 years (Civil Rights Act 1964, Voting Rights act 1965, repeal of most Jim Crow Laws around 1965-1967) is a lunatic. But, on the other side of the spectrum, anyone who expects Whites who opposed civil rights and used phrases like "uppity niggers" and such to change their viewpoints in only 40 years is equally insane.

I guess what I'm saying is, well....surprise?

BTW Furio you really are a disgusting puke.

crescent

not suprised

but still sickened

"BTW Furio you really are a disgusting puke."

he's right though

if mccain wins because of the racism in america

those same ignorant poor people will hurt more then us educated folk

so fuck them

if they want to fuck themselves up then let them.
if they want to have their jobs be sent to india and china, then fine.
don't vote for your benefit
and suffer from the health crisis, economic crisis, and all that other crises that will be a reality for them

is it racist for such a huge number of blacks to be voting for obama? They must all support his platform. Has little to do with skin color.

Yet another article about racism in regards to Obama, yet Obama says his campaign never mentions race...

We get it Hussien. You're black. We sort of noticed when we first saw you. Then we also happened to hear about that black militant church you attended for 20 years but were some how unaware it was led by a militant preacher. Oh, and then there was your wife's college thesis paper about how she was black and the others were white.

We get it. You're black. Your own book mentioned that fact numerous times. We know you are angry. An angry black man....Did you think you were the first?

FOX NEWS!!! FOX NEWS!!! Celesary is frigging crazy!

these racists would pick a white woman over a black man

but in the general election against a white man they would choose the white man.

thats right frank stallone... i mean john mccain




Posted by klifferd


You hit the nail right on the head Kliff.

Clintons claims she has a broader coalintion and that her voter won't vote for Obama, but many of them as you point out, would not even vote for her in November.

what a bunch of racist and sexist democrats!

Is that what being a Conservative Democrat is all about? Wanting Marxist policies, but as long as white men are in charge?

"BTW Furio you really are a disgusting puke."

Danni, I guess your hot flashes are getting to you today since all I'm doing is describing the prevailing attitude of many of the uneducated riff-raff in the US. Or maybe I'm hitting too close to home for you?

Sorry Metslider, they've already proven many times that they were willing to vote for white candidates.
They have a preference for a black man and to tell you the truth so do I and I am very white. I think America needs very badly to prove to the world that we are not a racist nation and we need to prove it to ourselves as well. If all things were equal between Hillary and Obama I would still choose Obama.

It's not that they are less sexist than they are racist, it's just that they know that Bill keeps his pimp-hand strong.

If you've ever went to dinner with the Clinton's you'd know he always says the Pimp's Prayer before food is served.

"Lord, please pray for the soul of this bitch and guide my pimp hand and make it strong Lord, so that she might learn a ho's place. Amen."

What I find interesting, is that Obama is half white, was raised by his white mother, and yet he is characterized only as an African American.

He's as white as he is black.

I don't believe whites are in power simply because of racism but it sure helps maintain the status quo. The days of thinking that a black man eats fried chicken and watermelon all day and dreams of fucking white women are over. Some black men actually have a brain. Some white men don't.

Like I've said on here 1000 times, it's all about individuals. Forget about race, look at your neighbor, listen to him. If he's an asshole, it doesn't really matter if he's black or white, he's still an asshole. You can argue later about if he's a black asshole or white asshole if you need that sort of thing. If you do need that sort of thing, then you are the racists.

encountering a raw racism and hostility that have gone largely unnoticed -- and unreported -- this election season.

I know! Like 94% of Blacks voting for a man because of his skin color...

That racism has gone almost completely unreported...

"What I find interesting, is that Obama is half white, was raised by his white mother, and yet he is characterized only as an African American.

He's as white as he is black."

Not in Amerikkka. To paraphrase Charles Barkeley giving advice to a young Tiger Woods. "If you are so multi-cultural why are you always called a Nigger in your hate mail?"

is it racist for such a huge number of blacks to be voting for obama? They must all support his platform. Has little to do with skin color.

Posted by metslider

no thats the pot calling the kettle "black"

again the "enlightened" left paints the entire white race as a bunch of knuckle dragging heathens that hate darkies..I dont like obama for reasons other than skin color.. I hate his policy. I hate hillaries policy. I dont particularly like mccains policy so I am at a cross roads as to who to vote for..if its mccain versus obama i will choose the formers policy.

and to furio and klifferd.. your "hate" has clouded your judgement and you really dont want violent confrontation especially in a heavily armed white society looking for a reason. You will never eliminate all racism or desire for segregation. Just accept it and move on.

not suprised

but still sickened

Right there with you. My comment was more about how the mainstream cable media seems to latch onto things like this and then act like they're new and shocking, though.

The fact that racist trash exists in this country pisses me off, but the way the media acts about it (ignoring it until someone like Jeremiah Wright comes along) pisses me off more. Ignoring racism won't make it go away.

"I know! Like 94% of Blacks voting for a man because of his skin color...

That racism has gone almost completely unreported..."

ARob,

Good to see you still forget logic and past history.

Something like 90% of Blacks are Democrats.

Blacks were split between Hillary and Obama up until Billy Bob's famous attack on Obama by comparing his win to that of Jesse Jackson which was basically saying he only won because of Black votes. Most Blacks never took Jesse seriously and took it really badly that Clinton, someone they supported in a big way in the past, would rip into Obama.

Race-conscious people ARE Obomba's only constituency. There appear to be a fair amount of them, though....

"you really dont want violent confrontation especially in a heavily armed white society looking for a reason"

And what sort of stupid insinuation are you trying to make here?

"Race-conscious people ARE Obomba's only constituency. "

wow what a racist statement. I support Obama strictly because he showed promise running a great campaign and he is a new guy who hasn't whored himself out (yet) like Hillary and McCain have done for many years. His age is also beneficial since the next president will have a huge task on their hands and will need the energy and stamina to take on all of the challenges. And of course most importantly I like watermelon and Popeye's chicken.

Something like 90% of Blacks are Democrats.

In a DEMOCRATIC primary this means as much as saying Obama is winning the Red States.

No other group is going so heavily to one candidate or the other... the only explanation that is honest is that Blacks are voting for Obama because he is Black.

What I find interesting, is that Obama is half white, was raised by his white mother, and yet he is characterized only as an African American. He's as white as he is black.

Do you think that kind of logic works with some of the racist stooges described in the article? If one of their daughters brought home Obama as a date, would the dad think to himself, "he ain't half bad"?

"you really dont want violent confrontation especially in a heavily armed white society looking for a reason"

yea dude
where did you get violence from??

"the only explanation that is honest is that Blacks are voting for Obama because he is Black"

blacks traditionally vote democrat
overwhelmingly

at the beginning of the primaries they were split between obama and hillary

they have gone obama
because hillary panders to the bigots

blacks traditionally vote democrat
overwhelmingly

Again this is a Democratic primary so this statement is silly, unless you're getting your talking points out there early for when 99.99999% of Blacks vote Obama in November.

at the beginning of the primaries they were split between obama and hillary

Like just about every other group still is... except Blacks. They vote 94% with the Black guy... but you're right, I'm sure that decision is made on a careful review of the issues...

Unfortunately, the racists in this election turning out in droves appear to be the blacks not the whites.
92 percent of blacks have voted for Obama this primary season.
The percentages don't lie.
Now let me get this straight. Most comments said White Trash have been racist?
Who is kidding who here.
Get with it folks.
All the college boys and girls on this site cannot stand people that have not been beaten down by college professors. Elitism is not the way to win an election. remember 2000 and 2004?
That is a rhetorical question above for us blue collar under 50,000 dollar a year folk.
This is the plan for the democratic party in the upcoming general election. To make white society feel guilty about racism. That's not going to get Obama to the promised land.
It is not going to work and is going to put a knife between people even further. But hey, that's ok with me. I'm voting for the other guy.

Why is it so hard to admit that Blacks are voting for skin color?

If there had never been a White male President in this country and one finally arrived on the scene that could win, I would probably vote for him for that reason...

It doesn't make you a racist to point out the obvious guys...

From Fox News Political Grapevine:


Not Over

The Reverend Jeremiah Wright may have stepped down as pastor, but the Trinity United Church of Christ may continue to haunt Barack Obama.

Newsmax reports the new Senior Pastor, Otis Moss, has called biblical patriarch Abraham a pimp, said Noah and Moses were thugs and said Jesus had a "soft spot for thugs." Moss has also praised late rapper Tupac Shakur as a prophet despite his profanity-laced lyrics that glorify violence and a criminal record including assault and sexual abuse.

Cybercast News reports another pastor as the church, reverend Reginald Williams, has written in the church bulletin that the Pentagon trains Latin Americans to become terrorists and the major TV networks are run by right wing racists who see blacks as subhuman.

The Obama campaign has not yet responded to our request for a comment.

"Here we go. You can call George Bush a monkey, but heaven forbid Black Jesus gets the same treatment."

Gee chairbitch you have blind spots in your racial memory.

"Monkey" has long been a racial insult hurled at Blacks. Actually many racists think Blacks are more closely related to monkeys than whites. that's why it's wrong to call a black man a monkey. Calling Bush a monkey is an insult to his intelligence. Fair game.

Let give a converse. If Obama referred to whites as "rednecks" he would be in deep doo doo. But Bush could refer jokingly to a group of whites in the South as "rednecks" and they'd probably cheer in return.

"It doesn't make you a racist to point out the obvious guys..."

It also doesn't make a black person racist for wanting to help elect the first black president in history. AFter we've elected a few black presidents I think you'll find that skin color loses its importance to both whites and blacks.
If it were strictly a racist thing then people like Allen Keyes would be where Barrack Obama is.

"Monkey" has long been a racial insult hurled at Blacks. Actually many racists think Blacks are more closely related to monkeys than whites. that's why it's wrong to call a black man a monkey. Calling Bush a monkey is an insult to his intelligence. Fair game.

Let give a converse. If Obama referred to whites as "rednecks" he would be in deep doo doo. But Bush could refer jokingly to a group of whites in the South as "rednecks" and they'd probably cheer in return.

Posted by furio at 2008-05-13 09:54 AM | Reply |


Does Bush look like a monkey? Yes.
Does Hussien look like a monkey, specifically, Curious George? Yes.

Go cry a river you thin skinned little bitch.

"Like just about every other group still is... except Blacks. "

again rob

for blacks and non whites

pandering to racists is a sure fire way to lose those minority groups in HUGE numbers

especially blacks

"Cybercast News reports another pastor as the church, reverend Reginald Williams, has written in the church bulletin that the Pentagon trains Latin Americans to become terrorists and the major TV networks are run by right wing racists who see blacks as subhuman."

Er...the Pentagon has trained terrorists in S. America.
Major networks are run by white who though not strictly racist are definitely participating in a class war.

Er...the Pentagon has trained terrorists in S. America.


Posted by danni at 2008-05-13 09:57 AM | Reply


So then the article the other day about Special Forces having to cut back on South American training that was trumpeted as a bad thing by leftwing stooges was actually good news then?


Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

It also doesn't make a black person racist for wanting to help elect the first black president in history.

Okay so it sounds like you are at least open to the possibility that many are voting for him because he's black... good, we're getting somewhere.

Danni, what would you call someone who said they are voting for McCain because he's white?

No other group is going so heavily to one candidate or the other... the only explanation that is honest is that Blacks are voting for Obama because he is Black.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Just because it's the only explanation you're willing to accept doesn't mean it's the only explanation.

"Danni, what would you call someone who said they are voting for McCain because he's white?"

After a continuous succession of 43 white male presidents I would call that person a racist and possibly a sexist too. Or I might just call them Rob.

I would call that person a racist

exactly

I don't know what articly you are referring to 101.

Just because it's the only explanation you're willing to accept doesn't mean it's the only explanation.

Posted by ddenton at 2008-05-13 10:03 AM | Reply


If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

Why is it that you Obama-ites are completely oblivious to what's in front of your eyes? How is admitting what is completely obvious to any thinking individual going to take away from your support of Obama (if you're white)?

It's not Obama's fault that the blacks are voting for him because he's black. (there, now will you admit what everyone other than you sheep already know?)

"I would call that person a racist"

Now you gotta admit that was taken out of context, I think Rob is auditioning for Faux News.

Just because it's the only explanation you're willing to accept doesn't mean it's the only explanation.

Posted by ddenton


I didn't say its the only explanation, I said its the only honest one...

"You're even dumber than I thought. Explain the multitude of websites dedicated to comparing Bush's looks to that of a monkey.
Never mind, just STFU stupid."

blow me ChairWhore. Everyone knows Bush is called a monkey in question to his intelligence not because they racially beleive he is a monkey. You are such a little fuckhead to say that calling a Black man a monkey is not racially motivated after Blacks have been insulted as being "monkeys" ever since they've been chained up and sold in the US. And do you also remember the quack racist "scientists" trying to explain the close connections between Blacks and monkeys in the past?

you have no argument. Please shut the fuck up for a change.

Now you gotta admit that was taken out of context

It was the only part that answered the question...

If someone here said they were voting for McCain because he is White, you would call him a racist.

But when 94% of Blacks vote for the Black guy you won't call that for what it is.

Okay so it sounds like you are at least open to the possibility that many are voting for him because he's black... good, we're getting somewhere.


Would you be willing to concede that only a portion of the supposed 90% of blacks that have voted for Obama voted for him purely because he's black? Maybe only 20 percent of them voted for that reason and the other 70% voted because they like his policies or his messages?

Of course it could be the converse, and we'll probably never know what percentage truly voted that way, but is it fair to label all blacks who voted for him as racist because we'll never know?

"It's not Obama's fault that the blacks are voting for him because he's black."

I'll admit that they are voting for him over Hillary because he is black but then I am too.
I think it is important for America to FINALLY elect a black president and with all other things being at least equal then why the hell not?
I remember when we elected our first Catholic, most Catholics voted for him and it turned out to be a good thing for the ecountry, though Rev. Hagee would disagree.

But when 94% of Blacks vote for the Black guy you won't call that for what it is.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


I'm curious. Just a day or two ago this number was 90%. When did it jump to 94%?

Earlier in the thread someone says 99.999 or some other drivel. I'm beginning to believe this number's being fudged a bit...

"But when 94% of Blacks vote for the Black guy you won't call that for what it is."

If they hadn't previously voted for white people you might have a point. The whites who are really racists will stay home or vote for McCain rather than vote for a black man, I don't think you can say the same thing about those black people because they have previously proven they would vote for a white person. Therefore a racial preference is not at all the same thing as racism.

Would you be willing to concede that only a portion of the supposed 90% of blacks that have voted for Obama voted for him purely because he's black? Maybe only 20 percent of them voted for that reason and the other 70% voted because they like his policies or his messages?

Absolutely... if you look at his margin of victories or support from other groups I would say its fair to conclude that 30-40% is basing their vote on race.

What would you call it if 94% of Whites were voting for the White guy and 30-40% were voting for him just because he's White?

I'm curious. Just a day or two ago this number was 90%. When did it jump to 94%?

Isn't that what he got in Indiana? If that's wrong I'll drop it back to 90...

Rob,

I don't care who a person votes for. I think it is entirely in their right to vote in any manner that pleases them.

While its quite ignorant people in general vote for a leader based upon some connection with them. Isn't it amazing how every Presidential candidate since Ike goes to church and professes their "christian" faith? (except Lieberman of course). Isn't it also cute how candidates like to go to their ranch and clear scrub similarly to how voters also need to mow their lawns? And a middle aged, ivy league, upper class woman taking a shot of whiskey in a bar? Only in America.

So people often vote based upon personal connections more than not. Not great but life.

What I find unacceptable is when people specifically say they will vote AGAINST someone based upon race or sex. that's fucked up.

I think it's fine to vote AGAINST somene because of their social platforms such as being for or against abortion, guns or death penalty for example.

To hrul racial insults at campaigners is close to being criminal.

Chairbitch,

you studiously choose to avoid the fact that Blacks have been racially insulted for hundreds of years by being called monkeys. To now take the Obama/curious George out of that context shows how full of shit you are now and generally always are.

To hurl racial insults at campaigners is close to being criminal.

Posted by furio

O'er the land of the Free... and the home of the brave.

The Bradley Effect is real enough no matter how much we might abhor it. Is it 5 points in the general election? 10? 15?

It means that any black candidate will have to have a large margin of error, larger perhaps than any woman candidate would need.

Particularly if said black candidate had Rev Wright for a Pastor and his own published comments demeaning the very swing voters he has so much trouble connecting with on the campaign trail.

Obama will either blow McCain out or be blown out by McCain, while HRC would win in either a close race or a blow out.

I understand that Obamites think that this isn't a problem because McCain is such a loser, in their opinion, and because a Dem SHOULD win this year.

But McCain was counted out early and often, and, given the distinct likelihood of an uptick in violence in Iraq or even in Iran, and given the Dem's history of nominating too liberal candidates who win Dem primaries but lose general elections, an Obama presidency is, as Bubba said, a roll of the dice.

And an unnecessary one at that.

With no one over the magic delegate number in early June, something over 100 delegates separating them out of 4000, and 35 million votes representing what will be a virtual tie in that number, the closest Dem Primary in history, SDs have every responsibility to vote for the candidate that they feel can best win the election, whoever that may be and for whatever reasons.

Of course, some will feel that it is much more important for the Democratic Party to make a statement about racism in America by rolling the dice with Obama than it is to win the Presidency.

"To hurl racial insults at campaigners is close to being criminal.

Posted by furio

O'er the land of the Free... and the home of the brave."

ARob,

Please note the words "close to being".

I read that article the other day but I just didn't know what article you referring to 101, now I'm a "speedbag"???
You know what, I don't understand your attempt at insult, don't really give a crap about some vague point you are trying to make and pretty much your humor has been quite weak of late. Vitamin deficiency??? You used to be funny but then so did Dennis Miller. He bores me now too.

"The Bradley Effect is real enough no matter how much we might abhor it. Is it 5 points in the general election? 10? 15?

It means that any black candidate will have to have a large margin of error, larger perhaps than any woman candidate would need. "


Corky,

What about Hillary's fat hairy feminist dyke effect?

Please note the words "close to being".

Posted by furio

Still fucked up... insults are close to being criminal? that's insane

Danni,
"Furryhole" is Furio. I wasn't addressing him and not you. Sorry for any confusion.

"Still fucked up... insults are close to being criminal? that's insane"

you should read up on slander and defamation.

"Obama will either blow McCain out or be blown out by McCain, while HRC would win in either a close race or a blow out."

That is quite a statement considering the amount of time remaining before the election and the lead that Hillary had over Obama a few months ago.
Nothing is guaranteed for any of the candidates so we may as well vote our consciences and hope to elect the person we truely want as our president.
It would certainly be sad to nominate a compromise candidate and then lose.

-What about Hillary's fat hairy feminist dyke effect?

No matter how hard it makes you, try to resist it as best you can, Furio.

"Was", not "wasn't".

101 thanks for the clarification.

Slightly funny flag for 101.

"Danni,
"Furryhole" is Furio. I wasn't addressing him and not you. Sorry for any confusion."

"Chairborne" is Chairbitch. Sorry is there was any confusion otherwise.

-It would certainly be sad to nominate a compromise candidate and then lose.

Yes, it would.... especially when we could have both as President.

Clinton/Obama '08!!

16 years is Better Than 8

"you should read up on slander and defamation."

Maybe you should. First, slander is a type of defamation, and second, it only creates a civil cause of action in the United States. Defamation is not a crime in America. Finally, yelling out racial slurs might be offensive but it probably isn't defamatory. You are the one with some reading to do.

In the PA White Trash world you could always feel good about your shitty life because you could look down on Blacks. That's changing and they are not happy about it.

-furio

thats the reason that poor whites vote Republican. White Supremacy fuels their deluded sense of entitlement. They would rather vote against their economic interests than be associated with a party that is even slightly sympathetic to blacks and browns.

Maybe you should. First, slander is a type of defamation, and second, it only creates a civil cause of action in the United States. Defamation is not a crime in America. Finally, yelling out racial slurs might be offensive but it probably isn't defamatory. You are the one with some reading to do.

Posted by JOE at 2008-05-13 10:44 AM | Reply


Now you've done it...A George Bush or Iraq War deflection is most likely headed your way!

if Obama ran against a daemon for the presidency of the USA. The daemon would carry more than 15 states.

Im not talking about a hidden, covert, Oliver North type daemon, Im talking about a fork-toungued, crimson red dude with horns and a tail.

You would hear poor whites saying stuff like, "Im not sure I can trust Obama, we dont share the same cultural values, he's an elitist, his former reverend is bitter, etc, etc"

but what they are really, truly saying is, "I will never, ever, ever, vote for a black man. Even if he is brilliant, articulate, astute, a gifted orator and actually half white"

" Finally, yelling out racial slurs might be offensive but it probably isn't defamatory"

Actually it does if the statement is false and causes harm in some measurable way.

Look tool I didn't say it should be or is criminal. Read the previous text.

And go back to watching Matlock.

Furio,

Racist statement? Race-conscious people supportin Obomba.....Racist statement?

The fact that you immediately called me a racist demonstrates my point. The black folks are being honest about it and certainly I can understand them...uneducated and racist as they've been trained to be by our lovely public school system. It's the white Obomba supporters, always willing to cry "racist" at anything they don't like, that really makes the case, though.

Thanks for helping with the classroom demonstration.

"Racist statement? Race-conscious people supportin Obomba.....Racist statement? "

Well Jon what should I refer to you as after making such an asinine statment that people are only voting for Obama because of racial reasons not perhaps becuase of his abilities?

well, then i guess the students at your shitty public school represent ALL BLACKS all across the nation.

and you're a teacher? no wonder

Posted by Roy_Batty at 2008-05-13 09:19 AM

What I find interesting, is that Obama is half white, was raised by his white mother, and yet he is characterized only as an African American.

He's as white as he is black.

(cont.)

Through an unfortuitous confluence of circumstances, a demographic group has obtained de facto control of the nomination process of the Democrat Party as that demographic has voted on a polarized racial basis, and the other constituencies of the party have not been yet so motivated by a compelling racial bias.

All you need to do is observe other processes in nature, which simulate that occurring here, and the inevitable coalescence that will occur. There are even mathematical models, which describe similar phenomena that make such predictions. The outcomes predicted statistically approach certainty." The emergence of racial politics will culminate in a situation in which those who fostered the polarization, will reap the whirlwind.

In polarization, the pole that attracts also repels, so that race as an attractant to one group transforms itself into an anathema to other groups. The "field" forms, and the disposition of forces will prove "interesting."

There are other factors that affect the disposition of forces with the general economic malaise created by the increasing world population without equivalent increase in available resources may reconfigure the field. But we shall see what we shall see. The "responsibilty" for the malaise resulting from the final operation of Malthusian forces will be placed on some politicians, who with all others, did not perceive the immanency and imminency of the cataclysm that is upon us, and in its initial stages.

In this milieu, oblivious to the meaningful forces that affect us all, the focus is upon the superficial racial element. The pot calls the kettle black. Those acting on a racial motivation, decry such portended actions by others as unacceptable to them. I reckon that there are "good racists" and "bad racists" in the lexicon of the left with "good racists" being those who ... , and "bad racists" being those unwilling to ... . Fill in the blanks.

The posturing of these leftist white people, who feel a need to have a black candidate in office, is ridiculous. They focus on matters of race, sexual dysfunction, assignment of roles to the sexes that counter biology, and other contrived "issues." In their confusion, they elevate superfluous issues to those meriting primary consideration and divert attention from issues affecting our very survival as a society. They ignore the underlying lurking catastrophes that may befall us. The considerations that concern the obsessed left, fade to insignificance as real world considerations impinge upon our lives.

There are a lot of white people who will recognize themselves in Obama, and vote for him.

Don't forget six months ago there were people worrying that he "wasn't black enough".

That the first non-white President will be of mixed race is a huge plus for everything we love about this country.

johnson

'Obama wants to "get even"'

you couldn't pay hollywood to come up with better gross exagerations

I think Hillary is a horrible administrator due to her campaign performance and that McCain is a flipflopping idiot with anger management problems. Guess by Johnson's and Ryker's reasoning this makes my voting racially motivated.

Furio,

What demonstrated abilities has he displayed, exactly, and do you think the boyz in the hood are listening to him?

See, I work in the hood, and there is no evidence they no any of his positions...they simply know they and their parents are gonna vote for him because he's a black guy. Don't get me wrong, I don't think there's anything wrong with that....I don't see racism as any more than a certain brand of ignorance, and god knows, these kids are ignorant, courtesy of the schools they're forced to go to. Nope, nothing wrong with blacks voting for him for that reason alone....White's doing it for the same reason...to fix the racial guilt they apparently feel, is the misguided part. Projecting your racial guilt onto others isn't productive, and for that, I have contempt. Your reaction was very typical of the Obombite white racists, who are trying desperately to get others to fix the guilt they feel for being racist. They, of course, project this onto others, because it's uncomfortable....leading to many spurious accusations of "racist" such as the one you just served up.

So, to answer your point, I'm not being racist by stating the facts...facts about which I have a ton of first-hand knowledge, given my profession and work location. I don't see racism as evil...just an inconvenient side of human nature as a biological reflex against the unfamiliar...You're the one whose only possible explanation of my statement lies in racism. Who's the racist?

Global74,

Not All Blacks...just 94% of them.

Global74,

Correction: 94% of the Democratic Party registered voters who showed up to vote in the primaries.

For decades, the Dems have been only too happy to peddle their grievance-mongering to the union voters in the rust belt, and didn't mind at all that they were building mutually exclusive coalitions. For all I hear about the so-called "Southern strategy" of the Republicans, race has actually been a bigger problem for the Dems, as we see now.

What will be unfortunately lost in this election is the multitude of reasons to be leery of Obama, simply on his merits. He pretends to be the candidate who transcends politics, but is the Dems' most reliable member on Congress--in fact, he votes with the the Democrats more often that Harry Reid, the majority leader, does. He hails his success as a "community organizer" to a country that doesn't even know what such a thing is--my community manages to get by without law school grads making $15,000 a year doing "community outreach"; so do most--so why is he peddling under-employment as a virtue? Tack on to that his egregious ignorance of economics and tax policy, and his lack of any real experience or accomplishment, and you have an empty suit.

I looked at Edwards and HRC and Obama as all cut from the same cloth. The positions are exactly the same, only the packaging is different. Like the Wheaties boxes that featured a different athlete on them, and kids would actually argue over which one was better. Silly, really. And there is absolutely no way--NONE--that ANY Republican candidate should have a chance this year, let alone a septugenarian retread. But here we are.

Obama is now a millionaire Johnson, he already got even and then some. I think it is you who want to get even with these uppity black folks who are taking your job, dating your sister and sitting right there in the front seat of the bus with your mother. Meanwhile Barrack glides by in his beautiful limo and OMG!!! he's riding in the back seat!!!!
I think the anger and frustration that it brings out in racists is a good enough reason alone to pick Obama over Clinton. Pissing off racists is fun.
I hadn't realized how much I missed the sixties.
Now if we could just get a bigger turnout for the anti-war demonstrations.

"Without racism there would BE no Obomba volunteers."

Look asshole this is what you wrote back at the beginning. Basically stating the only reason anyone would be behind Obama is for racial reasons. The converse applies here that you think he is unqualified because you are a racist.

Get the fucking picture?

And real cute "Obomba" reference as if he is a muslim terrorist. Didn't see that at first.

you really are a racist asshole.

Rightisright,

I am interested to see how it goes. I'll be very surprised if McCane doesn't win, though. I just can not believe that people will vote for higher taxes at a time like this. It's not about liking McCane...it's about not wanting tax hikes. The center, where this election will be won and lost, does NOT want tax hikes, regardless of their war position, which won't matter as long as we don't lose.

As for the rest of the GOPers, that's a different story. As long as they sit around with their thumbs up their asses and no platform, they're gonna get smacked. We'll see if a little self-preservation kicks in.

Posted by furio at 2008-05-13 10:17 AM

While its quite ignorant people in general vote for a leader based upon some connection with them.

Thank you RightisRight for giving a proper and valid criticism of Obama. The one correction I will make is Obama met and worked with Republican counterparts in the Senate as soon as he was sworn into office so he has shown willingness to cross political boundaries.

RisR preaches about Obama's "egregious ignorance of economics and tax policy" after voting for Bush twice with the results obvious after the first term. Hilarious. Hey RisR, I'll take my chances on Obama and I'll tell you one thing which is absolutely sure...he can't do nearly as bad as the guy you helped elect and who's utter failure was 100% predictable by anyone who understood anything about economics and international events.
Lincoln Chafee's op-ed about the tax cuts for the rich made it clear that Bush was INSANE to anyone who was willing to actually consider the ramifications of that tax cut.

I shall, forthwith, endeavor to ascertain the primal disposition of the macrocosmic, albeit occasionally microcosmic, cast of the cosmos from my lofty, yea, verily, towering--nay, bordering on exalted, perhaps olympian--sky-high eyrie within the ever-expanding and contracting gyre that is the omphalos--indeed, not to put too fine a point on the matter, the veritable yoni--of my parabolic, to say nothing of diabolic, universe. But I digress and, not wishing to tarry any longer, shall resume my meanderings along the highways and byways of life's Tunnel of Love, from which, upon my reemergence I shall, post haste, consent to drop some more pearls into the trough. (To be continued)
Adieu,
Ray J. "You Can Call Me Ray, Or You Can Call Me Jay, But You Doesn't Hafta Call Me Johnson" Johnson

"I just can not believe that people will vote for higher taxes at a time like this."

We currently have the largest deficit in history and the dollar falls in value daily. When do you think you would need to raise taxes??? When there is a surplus????
Let's make it simple...the government has to borrow money to pay the bills. It is cheaper in the long run to enact taxes than it is to continue borrowing.
GEt it???

Now let me get this straight.

Clinton compared Obama's win in SC to Jesse Jackson's win in SC and that was terribly racist so blacks are totally justified in voting for him based on race.

Meanwhile when white males don't vote for Obama (on like a 60/40 split) it is because they are terrible racist bastards. Could white males not voting for him be justified by Obama calling them ignorant, racist bible thumpers before the PA primary? Could it be because his supporters call them trailer trash, insist that they have sex with farm animals, and call them stupid because they didn't attend college and earn their degrees in sociology, black history, and women's studies like the smart Obama supporters?

Overall, I see racially charged statements consistently coming from one side of the campaign and let's not even get into the anti-women statements and names used against Hillary. Don't think for one second that calling her a bitch' is any less derogatory than using the n-word' ... .

Rob The A Hole,

Thanks for pointing out the large population of blacks that are voting for Obama. I'm not sure what your point because that has nothing to do with this article. Lets look at some of the statements in the article.

'I'll never vote for a black person,'

"Hang that darky from a tree!"

"He's a half-breed and he's a Muslim. How can you trust that?"

Now how does that compare to the 92% of African Americans who are supporting Obama? I will bet you big money that the vast majority of these people have voted for and supported white candidates many many times. 92% of African Americans voted for John Kerry. The majority of African Americans supported Kerry and Edwards over Al Sharpton during the 2004 primaries. Black people have supported white candidate sover and over again in a huge way. Can the same be said about white people supporting black candidates? Damn dawg, can't we get at least one?

If you believe that the recipe to keep a country out of recession is tax INCREASES during a time of war, then that's what elections are for. Go ahead. I'm still waiting on your answer from the other day, Danni--how much do you want your taxes to go up? Or are you one of those who wants to increases taxes on other people?

I'll bet it's the second one. No middle- or lower-class Dem wants to go back to Clinton-era tax rates. It just bothers them that people wealthier than they got their taxes cut too.

Simple question. Just give me a number: how much do you--DANNI--want your taxes to go UP?

Well that's what I always felt about the loser white trash in Penn. Generations of shit who never moved up in the world.

--glurihole

Why is that lefties who cry "racist" the loudest can't help but lump other people into convenient groups, to which they assign their own labels? You do realize how stupid you sound, right, assmuch?

"Actually it does if the statement is false and causes harm in some measurable way."

I know it sounds crass, but if someone is black and you yell a racial slur at them, is that a "false" statement? I don't think it is.

"Look tool I didn't say it should be or is criminal."

No. You said it's "close to being criminal." And it isn't, since defamation isn't a crime.

"Wouldn't a candidate "connected" to you more probably share some of your concerns, and also probably pursue a course of conduct more congenial to you?"

Are you kidding? I am voting for someone who is to lead my country and the last superpower in the world. Do you think I give a shit if he prefers Cheese Wiz or Swiss? I don't care what he/she fucks or who they fuck as long as it's not me nor my country. Anyone who is willing to run for president has absolutley nothing in common with the other 300 million US citizens. Let's see of the last several presidents and candidates how many of them are from Yale and how many from Harvard? Jesus these shitheads were even classmates! The only thing they have in "common" with the common people is they all eat, sleep and shit. Any other similarities are simply trivia nothing more.

I want someone who will do their job and not fuck up and most importantly will not sell out the US to corporate and wealthy special interests.

And then I just have to say how STUPID you guys sound saying you will vote for McBush who already has said HE WANTS TO MAKE THAT TAX CUT PERMANENT!!!
By the end of his first term gas will be $10. per gallon!!! We'll all be unemployed and still stuck in an expensive war we can't afford.
And then you IDIOTS make fun of the folks who want CHANGE!!!
Bush voters should never be allowed to go near a voting booth again for the rest of their lives and the lives of their children. My Grandchildren will still be paying down the debts your president ran up when they have kids of their own.

Let's make it simple...the government has to borrow money to pay the bills. It is cheaper in the long run to enact taxes than it is to continue borrowing.
GEt it???

Posted by danni
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Cheaper still to cut spending. But with Obama at the helm, we can't be expecting much of that, can we?

" I'm still waiting on your answer from the other day, Danni--how much do you want your taxes to go up?"

I answered the other day. I want the Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich to Expire. That will probably not be quite enough because he has dug a seriously deep hole but it will be a start. Add to that some tariffs to protect jobs and raise revenues and we might start rebuilding our economy.