Utterly predictable.

Where's all the righty outrage?
Spent it all on the only corruption Repubs rail about, the U.N Food for oil scandal.
Very little outrage for the 'steal everything you can get' Iraqi corruption.


Wonder why?

it appears they simply cannot differentiate honesty from dishonesty.
i'm sure bush looked someone in the eye and liked what he saw.
oh, wrong fuck up.

all the best.

We're waiting, oh DR members of the "other team." Remind us heathens again why we should prolong the occupation of, and war against Iraq.

"Bush Admin Ignored Iraqi Corruption"

YEAH!

Let me Guess ------ Bush's Fault Right!

You "libs" are so predictable!

Sincerely

Vern

Ignored the corruption?

Sort of like Tony Soprano "ignores" what his boys do, until his taste is due?

And mcBush wants another 100 years of this? Do you suspect the GOPpers chose McCain because they finally found someone even stupider than Dubya?

So in 2012, they can say "Jeb Bush, he's better than our last choice?"

"""So in 2012, they can say "Jeb Bush, he's better than our last choice?"""

Don't laugh. Be afraid...very afraid. If Jeb follows the bush legacy trend, your country will not survive his tenure: papa was an asshole, the son is quite evidently an psychopathic idiot, what the fuck will jeb inflict?

Bush voter:
"No one could ever have imagined that a corrupt administration would ignore corruptions in Iraq."

Another Bush voter in 2004.

Oh, Sean Hannity told me Bush is a good man fighting for our peace and security and that all those accusations of corruption are just Democrats sour grapes. Rush agreed and that's good enough for me.

I think this corruption story is perfectly believable...Does it change anything?

Headline should read, "Bush ignored corruption in his own administration".

One of Jeb's first acts, after leaving the Florida Governership, was to saddle Florida State Pension Funds with $850million in sub-prime mortgages. Lehman Brothers paid handsomely for this unpunished crime.

It is irrelevant what brand of Government anyone has. What matters is the level of corruption.

Corruption is on the rise in this country and a sure sign of decent into becoming a third world nation. Third world countries export raw materials and import finished goods.

I for one am getting sick of the libs bitching to the conserve and vise versa. Let's not look at this from either a lib or conserve perspective. Let's look at this from an American perspective. Yes, it is Bush's fault! Because with command comes responsibility! (I voted for Bush by the way.) In my opinion, what allowed and fostered the corruption was not forcing the Iraqi's to use their own oil revenues to re-build their own country after we paid for their liberation in American blood. The billions in oil revenues that the Iraqi's sit on while American tax-payers rebuild their country is helping to breed the corruption. Do we honesty expect goat farmers to not get greedy while sitting on billions of dollars without the U.S's direct control and distribution of these billions? Can we not ALL agree that the U.S. has allowed the Iraqi Government years, years, to get even the basics like who supposed to come to work in light of the recent reports that show the U.S. taxpayers have been paying the salaries to Iraqi army and police troops who have never come to work? Can we not even teach the Iraqi's how to properly conduct a role call? Why are U.S. troops or officers not embedded with the morons to monitor this? Can we not ALL agree that it was also a major blunder that we never put enough troops on the ground, and then did the "surge" only after we unnecessarily lost American boys and girls because the terrorists were gaining back ground? Can we not ALL agree that we aren't properly securing the borders with Iran and Syria like the Israelis can? Can we not ALL agree and are we not ALL outraged that it has taken years to field anti-I.E.D. vehicles, only after most of our battlefield casualties have been from I.E.D.'s? Shouldn't the cause of the majority of your casualties have been your number one priority? I'm getting tired of typing out examples of failures! If both sides will be intellectually honest with themselves, we can ALL agree that the war itself was the right thing to do in the name of freedom and democracy, but it has been a complete and total blunder in its post war handling. Can we not ALL agree as libs and conserves that the post war handling has been a major blunder by both parties on the hill that voted to support the entire war (Pre, During, Post)?

Nutcase,

In this, I agree with you. Corruption is, in and of itself, the main problem we have right now, be it from either party.

Historically, though, wars are the opportunities for most corruption, so nobody should be surprised about this one.

Hey, c'mon!

I mean, what's 9 BILLION of your tax dollars between a few friends? It will hardly buy a country anymore.

I think this corruption story is perfectly believable...Does it change anything?

Posted by jonryker at 2008-05-13 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're right! We need more and more and more and more of the same old shit!

STAY THE COURSE!!!

Bush Admin Ignored Iraqi Corruption

Surprise, surprise.

Bush Admin Ignored Iraqi Corruption

A little difficult for the pot to call the kettle black, isnt' it?

Where's all the righty outrage?
Spent it all on the only corruption Repubs rail about, the U.N Food for oil scandal.

Posted by oldwhiskeysour

I never have been in favor of spending our tax money on rebuilding their country. The profits from the sale of their oil should be used for that.

"If both sides will be intellectually honest with themselves, we can ALL agree that the war itself was the right thing to do in the name of freedom and democracy"

Both sides won't agree because that statement is utter bull shit.

"Can we not ALL agree as libs and conserves that the post war handling has been a major blunder by both parties on the hill that voted to support the entire war (Pre, During, Post)?"

Both parties??? No we can't all agree on that because no Democrat even had a say in anything that happened in Iraq and the Republicans in Congress blocked any and all investigations for six years. They wouldn't even allow the Dems to use a meeting room.

"""Can we not ALL agree as libs and conserves that the post war handling has been a major blunder by both parties on the hill that voted to support the entire war (Pre, During, Post)?"""

Fuck you.

Bush Admin Ignores the Democrats Corruption too.

Sniper,

Why is it utter "bull shit"? And yes, the Dems too could have done more with their majority if they could have spent less time playing childish games and more time serving the people.

Panchovilla,

The only response I can give to your intellectual comment is I'm not interested.

"And yes, the Dems too could have done more with their majority if they could have spent less time playing childish games and more time serving the people."

Riight. The "up or down vote" Republicans would never dream of fillibustering and the president wouldn't veto anything either. Hey, give the Dems a fillibuster proof majority and the presidency and lets see what happens.

The only response I can give to your intellectual comment is I'm not interested.

Jbush1,

I think Pancho's response to your post is indicative of the way most lefties on this site feel about it. The Bush Admin and the Republican controlled Congress had their way with everything for 6 years. They preached about taking responsibilty and now, when everything is FUBAR, their supporters want the Democrats to concede that they are just as much to blame as the Republicans. Sorry, but, we're all sick of conservatives screwing over the people of this country and not taking responsibility for any of it.

So, let me be the first poster to second Pancho's response to your "Can we all agree" crap. That dog don't hunt around here!

Danni,

Don't miss understand, I'm neither Dem nor Rep, and I agree both sides have used the filibuster way too often, and I'm even for eliminating it. However, what was the very first piece of major legislation by the dems when they took majority control? Did it have anything to do with Iraq or illegal immigration?

Realpatriot,

It amazes me how everyone constantly picks a side in any comment made by others. I neither stated I was for or against any one party. Yet, everyone keeps picking sides, which is indicative of our larger problem. Let's ALL admit that both sides are screwing things up, and work together to fix it. A reason like this is why a third party sounds better everyday, because dems and reps can't emotionally remove themselves from the facts. Let's stop the childish and un-intellectually honest debates. Your passive aggressive support of Pancho is dully noted.

YEAH!

I was wondering --- when exactly did Corruption become part of the "conservative" Doctrine?

I neither stated I was for or against any one party.

YEAH!

Could be that handle!

"Let's ALL admit that both sides are screwing things up, and work together to fix it

YEAH!

Now lets teleport back in time and view this quote in pre November 2006 context, this time not adjusting the dials to "skip republicans" !

"Lets ALL admit that Republicans are the Only ones who can keep you safe and be Fiscally Wise"

How far the once mighty "Thousand Year Majority" has Fallen in so many short months!!

JBUSH I think you need to read up on what has occurred in the Senate since the Dems took "majority". The Republicans have threatened to veto nearly every single proposal by the Democrats, even many which weren't even controversial. If there is nothing happening in Congress it is DEFINITELY the Republicans who are causing that problem. Your attempts to spread the blame are typical Republican tactics of 2008. It is obvious to everyone that things are screwed up so now the tactic is to spread the blame. Sorry, from many polls...it isn't working.
With the name JBUSH1 your claim to be nonpartisan seem pretty foolish.

Jbush1,

I never said you stated that you were for or against any one party. I don't care if a person is a Dem or a Repub...what you said goes right to the core of the frustration of people like myself that knew before we invaded Iraq that it was a foolish and unnecessary act. But, after 7 years of watching the conservatives deconstruct this country down to it's very core there is a lot of frustration. The Democrats haven't held the philosophy that government is useless and then used their power in office to do everything to prove that point. The Democrats weren't the party that squandered economic prosperity and general good will toward their allies. The Democrats weren't the party that outsourced the American dream to third world countries.

Yet, we read constantly how both parties are equally to blame for the mess we're in. I don't have a problem with shared responsibility when that is warranted. But, I do have a problem with shared responsibility when elected leaders of one party (republicans) have as their goal to destroy the very institution they claim to want to lead.

Danni,

JBush1 happens to be my first initial and last name, the number one is because someone else already had JBush. Are you serious? You actually got that from just my name. I can't have the last name of Bush and NOT support conservatives. LOL! WOW!

See, here is part of the problem. If anyone comes along and is actually honest without picking sides and says that both sides are wrong, that person is automatically called a conservative by libs that refuse to admit their party has done absolutely nothing since taking the majority control, and on the other hand conservatives attack for having the nerve to speak ill of the G.O.P. and its failures.

So how do we overcome the party lines and do what's in the best interest of our country? Or are we going to continue this retarded logic at the expense of the greatest country on the planet.

I'm going to call out all the intellectually dishonest people now. Would everyone in this forum please answer this question with a simple yes or no. Are both parties currently failing this country?

JBUSH1: When you come on to a board where posters commonly opine on political issues with the handle "JBush1", it is to be expected that of course an assumption will be made as to your leanings. It is disingenuous of you to pretend otherwise.

Realpatriot,

I completely agree that Republicans have screwed-up just about everything they touched, especially Iraq. However, the liberation of millions from slaughter is ALWAYS the right thing to do! If not, we would have left the Jews to the Nazi's. Surely you can agree with this logic?

Maybe BL2 really just likes JBUSH1 a whole lot?

JBUSH1 I first took your argument and responded to it then I commented on your name. I'll give you the potential to be nonpartisan in spite of your name but your post is basicly the argument that Republicans put forth these days because their party is indefensible so spreading the blame is their only alternative.

"Are both parties currently failing this country?"

No, I don't think they are. I think the voters are.
In 2000 Bush was elected(?) and I'll forgive the voters who voted for him but in 2004 there was simply no excuse. The Democrats weren't in any position to do anything about what the Republicans did. The voters are to blame.

JBUSH, Saddam was not slaughtering "millions." It's questionable exactly how many died at his hands, but in "liberating" the Iraqis we have killed more in five years than he had during his entire reign. How is that better? Or worth the sacrifice from our country?

"However, the liberation of millions from slaughter is ALWAYS the right thing to do!"

Huh???? Always the right thing to do???
More died since the invasion than Saddam ever killed. In Darfur there is a slaughter going on as we speak...what's the hold up??? Burmese are brutal...what's the hold up.
We are one nation, not the policeman of the world.

I don't believe JBUSH1, I think it really is Jeb.

And for clarification, by "we have killed" I am using the legal notion of "but for your actions," not saying U.S. armed forced personallyl killed. But you knew that...

JBush1 happens to be my first initial and last name, the number one is because someone else already had JBush. Are you serious? You actually got that from just my name

YEAH!

Says a "Barack Hussein Obama" repeater!

Shit the Whole Republican Party is basing their 2008 Presidential Argument on a Name for Christ Sake!!

Moder8,

So, anyone with the last name of Bush can't post on political forums without others making assumptions, which makes the person with the last name of Bush foolish and disingenuous?

No problem. I will change my user name to keep things civil.

Are both parties currently failing this country?

There is absolutely enough blame to go around for the troubles this country is in. For Democrats, it was the lack of political courage to not vote against authorizing the use of force for Bush in the first place. That was, in my opinion, the point at which the wheels started to fall off of everything else. After that point, the Republicans/conservatives gave Bush every piece of legislation he wanted - tax cuts tilted toward the wealthy, the Patriot Act, stripping the guts out of the Clean Air/Water Acts, massive corporate welfare at the expense of middle class america....the list goes on and on and on.

The Iraq War and the post war bungling and the lack of the Republican congress in it's oversight duties.

The Dem majority in Congress is not an acting or working majority. Any legislation can be vetoed, and it has, because the majority is not strong enough to override such vetoes.

So, in all honesty, the lion's share of the blame rests at the feet of the conservatives. They chose not to include Democrats in the decision making process but, now they want Democrats to share the blame.

Is it a vicious cycle that needs to be broken? Yes, that is why I support the man whose campaign is based upon reaching across the aisle to come up with solutions!

But, don't question why I am so pissed off at the conservatives in this country. Take a look around and see the results of their scorched earth policies.

My question to you is....if you are truly being honest about things, then why in the hell aren't you pissed off at what the conservatives have done to your country over the last 7 years? Why would anyone (and I'm not referring to you specifically)vote for a person whose political philosophy is to prove just how bad the federal government can be?

YEAH!

If your real name is Bush you may want to consider changing it too! I know I would!

JBUSH1 if you are going to post here you better get used to wise cracks, don't change your name, get a sense of humor.

REALPATRIOT you are right about that, the Dems who voted to give Bush the authority to invade do have to accept their portion of the responsibility for that disaster. If any voted for that tax cut they also have to take responsibility for that.
That is why I did decide to support Obama, Clinton was trying to pretend that her record isn't important when nothing can be farther from the truth. A Senator's record is our best method of evaluating their future decisions.
So, that said, JBUSH1's point about shared blame is partially correct.

Hmmm, let me see if I got all this. Because I say both parties are wrong makes me a Republican in disguise, the voters are to blame not the politicians, I'm foolish because my last name is Bush, I have no sense of humor, and liberating millions is not a good thing because of the collateral damage of civilians being killed in war. WOW! And I thought I was starting to figure things out. Guess I'll just shut-up and let the true intellectuals enlighten me.

******Lonely Internet Troll Alert*******

JBUSH, one cannot view the events in Iraq post invasion and believe that anyone has truly been "liberated." Rather, they were delivered from a thuggish dictactor to the chaos and mass murder that goes with tribal warfare and ethnic cleansing. Several million are displaced, and by all accounts, several hundred thousand have died thus far that have been reported. I would imagine one would have a difficult time finding Iraqis who believe they are actually better off right now than before the invasion.

And the corruption and incompetence of the "elected, purple finger" Iraq government just may well rival, even exceed that of our own (shivers).

liberating millions is not a good thing because of the collateral damage of civilians being killed in war

You wanna ask the Iraqis how they feel about their so-called liberation. We were supposedly in a war against terrorism...you remember after our country was attacked. Bush responded by retaliating against Afghanistan which was harboring the terrorists....you remember Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. I was all for that response and I think something like 85% of all Americans supported that response. But, then, the PNACers in power had the opening they needed at a time when the people of this country were most vulnerable...and they pushed for and they got the war they had planned since before Bush was elected.

JBush1, don't come on to this site and try to make like Bush is some kind of compassionate hero whose only concern was the freeing of millions of people. There are far more many countries whose populations are in much more dire situations...they just don't happen to be lucky enough to be inhabiting a place on earth that sits atop the second largest oil reserves in the world.

Take your fake incredulity about how we don't support freeing millions of people somewhere else. We have no problem when our government frees oppressed people but, we do have a problem when our government does it for the wrong reasons.

George Bush is a compassionate conservative who invaded Iraq to free oppressed oil.

George Bush is a compassionate conservative who invaded Iraq to free oppressed oil.

Sniper,

Why is it utter "bull shit"? And yes, the Dems too could have done more with their majority if they could have spent less time playing childish games and more time serving the people.

Panchovilla,

The only response I can give to your intellectual comment is I'm not interested.

Posted by jbush1

How did I get mixed up in this? I don't think I posted that statement for this thread.

"Guess I'll just shut-up.....

Posted by jbush1 at 2008-05-13 03:59 PM"

No offense, but I doubt that.

Maybe BL2 really just likes JBUSH1 a whole lot?

Posted by evashogouki

Quit picking on the NFG the first day because of his name for christ sake.

You Fucking Republicians are really unbelievable, every time this fucking idiot you call your President stumbles he is excused because everyone else has done it. Well the Clintons did it!!!!!

You do know that you dumb Fucks sound like your in the first grade. Hell that may be an insult to a first grader. You as a group are a bunch of Fucking LIARS!!! Billions an Billions lost an you fucks circle the wagons, you disgusting bunch of ASSHOLES!!!!!

YEA LIKE AMERICA NEVER HAD CORRUPTION IN ITS EARLY YEARS

POLITICANS ARE CORRUPT AND STEAL MONEY ANYWAY THEY CAN....IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A COUNTRY AND MORE HAS TO DO WITH POWER AND GREED

JB1,

Logic????????????

Saddam slaughtered hundreds, largely those who did or might speak out against him. Political enemies, often of our choosing. Most of those found in mass graves were left over from our last invasion. He was once our paid assassin, killing a Democratically elected leader and replacing him with the Baathist Party. Germany and us supplied the chemical weapon technology for him to kill Iranians with. We installed the Shah twice against the will of the Iranian people, which is why its such a fucking mess there now.

Equating the illegal invasion of Iraq with halting Hitler's genocide isn't just ridiculous, its a vain attempt to justify our own genocide.

Shrub has slaughtered about a million, in a completely arbitrary manner, with his fucking shock and awe. Collateral damage they call it. Apparently its OK for Bush to kill civilians, but not Timothy McVee. If Iraqis survive in a maimed condition at the same rate our troops have that would be everyone else in the country. Impossible, of course, but 4 million have gotten the fuck out of that hellhole. Those that remain do not have enough resources to even leave, much less scrounge for food, water, electricity and medical care.

Righties, just face it. Iraq was never any sort of moral equivalent of WWII, no matter how much you want it to be. The American people went along with it, not because Bush inspired them to a great undertaking to defend Democracy, but because he pummeled them with fear, uncertainty and doubt. They trusted the office; they figured that Bush the politician might spin the facts, but that no President would lie to them about something this important. We fucked up - we trusted him.

This whole thing is nothing more than a weak fantasy of a regional strategy that went horribly wrong because of piss poor execution and flawed premises. Along the way it has left us weaker militarily, weaker in influence in the world, and weaker economically, all while countries like China are planning to eat our lunch in a couple of decades. History isn't going to be kind, because we're going to be reaping the whirlwind on this for at least a generation.

The adminstration ignored Iraqi corruption because the Iraqis weren't in it alone. When millions of dollars are changing hands in cash, there are going to be a lot of dirty hands - especially when contractors are being given jobs that should be handled be public servants.

But you guys don't believe in public service, do you? Well, since it's every man for himself, don't be surprised when no one comes to your aid.

ATTENTION LIBERALS AND RIGHT WING PEOPLE.

Does it fucking matter what the fuck Bush does now? he sucks beyond belief, there is nothing he can do now to make it worse, he is already the worst.

All this banter about he did this or that. Who gives a flying fuck, hes out in months, bye bye. Get over it.

Kuma

Kuma-
re: "Does it fucking matter what the fuck Bush does now? he sucks beyond belief, there is nothing he can do now to make it worse, he is already the worst.

All this banter about he did this or that. Who gives a flying fuck, hes out in months, bye bye. Get over it."

Well, you could make it worse by voting for McCain to complete W's third term.

"Get over it."

Stolen elections.
Invasions based on lies.
Billions missing through corruption.

That all you got?? "Get over it?" Weak, very weak.

Stolen elections.
Invasions based on lies.
Billions missing through corruption.

That all you got?? "Get over it?" Weak, very weak.

"United States of America v. Bush"

Oh, if only.

No use even imagining justice, Bush and his cronies are truly above the law. This is the government of the country in which we live. We, the people, are powerless to make real changes to the system. We, the people, are too static to generate individual thought and opinion, we cannot take a new perspective on society to allow for change.

"Go back to bed America, your government is in control. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this shit, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you!"

-Bill Hicks