Boaz, please tell me what are the requirements to be a citizen of the United States.

please tell me what are the requirements to be a citizen of the United States.


Renouncing liberalism in all of its toxic variations.


Well, it should be.

really dont understand what the problem is

Yeah, no one has ever been able to forge a photo id.

Especially not a teenager who wants to get into a bar.

Nah, it will never happen.

Just another thinly vieled attempt to keep the poor and elderly from voting.

Renouncing liberalism in all of its toxic variations.


Well, it should be.


Posted by JeffJ


Funny Flag!

Aslo, convert from Islam to Christianity.

Just another thinly vieled attempt to keep the poor and elderly from voting.

Posted by 726
* * * *

Oh. So is requiring a photo ID also a thinly veiled attempt to keep the poor and elderly from checking out a book from the public library? Using a credit card? Cashing a check? Setting up utility service? Registering to vote? Buying a car? Setting up a bank account? Getting a mortgage? Signing a lease? Setting up an investment account? Signing up for Social Security? Getting a job?

I'm just trying to keep track of all the things these people are depriving themselves of, because they can't trouble themselves to have a photo ID made. Could it be that if you don't do any of those things, maybe you shouldn't be involved in the electoral process?

So is requiring a photo ID also a thinly veiled attempt to keep the poor and elderly from checking out a book from the public library? Using a credit card? Cashing a check? Setting up utility service?Buying a car? Setting up a bank account? Getting a mortgage? Signing a lease? Setting up an investment account? Signing up for Social Security? Getting a job?


Are any of those guaranteed by the Constitution?

No.

Boaz, please tell me what are the requirements to be a citizen of the United States.

To be born on it's soil or come legally through a port of entry and fill out an application and be accepted. Now what should the requirements be. Oh, now both your parents should be citizens if you are born here, else you revert back to your parents lineage. English should be a requirement also. Basic stuff, but that's just me.

I truly dont see what the problem is. I honestly dont want anyone voting with an I.D. Other countries are evil, hell for all we know, chinese operatives could be voting for all you liberals care. If someone doesnt take their responsibility to vote seriously enough to find a way to get an I.D. on their own, just what does that say about the person? I bet they have their I.D. for social services, dont they? I bet if you ask for the I.D. for welfare, they'll whip that out in a minute, that I.D. for medicaid, it probably hangs around their neck..

I honestly dont want anyone voting with an I.D.

Make that without an I.D....

Nothing, but still, no I.D., no vote...

You going to tell me that in 90+ years, none of those women couldnt get an I.D.? Nothing against them, but they need to get an I.D.....

So, what do you have against old nuns voting?


I've seen nuns drive cars. I'm not aware of any special consideration of nuns or priests allowing them to drive without a license, so it must not be a requirement that they swear off having a photo ID.

No ID, No Vote.

Next!

I think it was Ohio in 2006 where one party had offered to build a system to go around helping the Elderly and poor get to the DMV or other government agency to obtain a photo ID.

Then the opposition raised a stink about how much it would cost.

Next!


Are any of those guaranteed by the Constitution?


No, but discrimination is illegal in this country. If the elderly or poor are allowed to receive those services without showing a photo ID by claiming to be poor or being old, then those businesses are guilty of age discrimination.

Thanks to the patriot act, I couldn't get lights or telephone service turned on at my new house without multiple forms of identification. So did the clerk just not ask the old people or the "poor looking"?

Next!


Yeah, no one has ever been able to forge a photo id.


It's not difficult to train individuals to spot ID's. The back of my driver's license has a barcode and a magnetic strip, both of which contain vital information about me. On the front, there is a hologram built into it that is difficult to forge.

So, hire a few bouncers from local pubs to check ID's at the door.

Axiom-
re: "I've seen nuns drive cars."

Good for you. These nuns weren't allowed to vote, and you are all for their disenfranchisement.

hey i'm ignorant on this issue

why is voter id such a problem

i am the son of pakistani legal immigrants

we all have not only photo state drivers licenses but also american passports

of course we're not the poor. but a drivers license... the poor don't drive?

what about state id's how do they get into bars, etc.

buy cigarettes, buy alcohol

get an apartment
get a welfare check

all of this requires an id.

i know the constitution grants the right to vote

so i need a better argument for me at least then "the poor" can't afford the 50 bux for an id they should have anyways if they are trying to not be poor anymore.

Boaz-
re:"You going to tell me that in 90+ years, none of those women couldnt get an I.D.? Nothing against them, but they need to get an I.D.....

Posted by boaz at 2008-05-12 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag:"

Evidently you do hold something against them, as a policy you support to protect you from the voter fraud you talk about, but can't substantiate, has denied these nuns their vote.

Klifford-
re: "so i need a better argument for me at least then "the poor" can't afford the 50 bux for an id they should have anyways if they are trying to not be poor anymore."

You're right. The "poor" need to prove that they're trying not to be poor anymore before they can vote, and what better way than the voter ID!

I don't really understand that whole 14th Amendment mumbo jumbo either, Kliff.

mexico has a huge catholic population

nuns are catholic

there is a possiblity of a nun being an illegal mexican immigrant

i know califchris would be PISSED!

Klifford-
re: "mexico has a huge catholic population

nuns are catholic

there is a possiblity of a nun being an illegal mexican immigrant"

You're right, of course. We should scrutinize nuns extra, because even if they are real Americans, they may have sympathies with those who are not.

"I don't really understand that whole 14th Amendment mumbo jumbo either, Kliff."

there is an easy fix

for those that file an income tax showing they make less then a predefined amount per year, should be allowed to get a state id for free

do some states actually do this already?

If somebody doesn't have an ID then they're just too stupid and lazy to be allowed to vote.

101-
re: "If somebody doesn't have an ID then they're just too stupid and lazy to be allowed to vote."

Maybe a poll tax or a test would be a good idea, too... It worked in the South for decades.

betleg i'm serious though man

give me a fair way to identify a citizen
without an id

why don't they accept a birth certificate as proof of citizenship??

Maybe a poll tax or a test would be a good idea, too... It worked in the South for decades.

Posted by BetelG at 2008-05-12 04:56 PM | Reply


Nope, just a way to verify who is voting will do Boyd.

Why are you a fan of voter fraud Boy-duh?

Klifford-
re: "why don't they accept a birth certificate as proof of citizenship??"

They did, but now in Indiana you need a photo ID to protect not from the actuality of voter fraud, but from the brown-tinted perception of it.

Later.

why don't they accept a birth certificate as proof of citizenship??

Actually, that's a good idea. What would you propose for legal immigrants who arent born here?

One more thought: Point to a case of voter fraud that should cause me concern (I'm looking for convictions, and not racist innuendo, if you can manage that)

I'll check back tomorrow.

Cheers.

Good for you. These nuns weren't allowed to vote, and you are all for their disenfranchisement.


No, I'm not. I'm all for them participating in the same fake ass, make believe bullshit system that I do. I have an ID, so should they. If they can't, by all means give me a call and I'll give them a ride to the DMV.


One more thought: Point to a case of voter fraud that should cause me concern (I'm looking for convictions, and not racist innuendo, if you can manage that)


Like Ann Coulter voting twice? The libs were all up in arms about that one. She should have gone to jail, of course, because she knew what she was doing.

What about that representative who said "You don't have to be a citizen of this country to participate." Participate in what, exactly? Oh, what she really meant was that those people could help her get elected...how or why exactly.

Just as some folks like to point out, just because George W Bush doesn't abuse all of the powers he has grabbed for the executive branch does not mean that someone, in the future, will do the same.

It shouldn't be a matter of "oh shit we have a problem what can we do to fix it." Progressives have one big fucking problem. They don't think progressively. They are 100% reactionary.

Those people are not your constituents nor are they entitled to any of the government programs that she might be working for.

boaz

as being the child of and relative of many legal immigrants

"What would you propose for legal immigrants who arent born here?"

every immigrant i know has an id of some sort
they have to work

not only that
but when you get citizenship
they give you a citizen certificate...
if the immigrant tosses that away
thats their loss and cause for greater concern then their right to vote.

A part of the issue, which I haven't seen anyone mention, is that expired IDs are not acceptable. Thus, if you have a legit passport, but it's one day past renewal date, it's not acceptable. Likewise for a driver's licence. Also true of birth certificates.

The whole thing is a non-issue. The ladies had ID, but when asked what type they were willing to produce, they replied: "Nun".

And of course, the rest is history....

I am sure that requiring a photo ID before a voter is allowed to select their choice on a computer voting machine with unverifiable counts, proven hackability and easy vote erradication will make American democracy stronger. Never mind the FACT that no significant problem with non-citizens or otherwise unqualified voters has arisen while documented problems of voter maching hacking has been proven....never mind all that....this is the latest attempt by the Republicans to skew the results in November...it will be for naught....the landslide coming will be similar to the mud slides in S. California devouring mansions...the RNC is going down in flames and hopefully will crash and burn beyond recognition.

One more thought: Point to a case of voter fraud that should cause me concern...

Well that logic might work if you also think that you should wait until your house is robbed before you get a security system. Or if you believe that you should wait until your house is under 20 feet of water before purchasing flood insurance.

There is nothing wrong with fixing a hole in the system before it is exploited... or before you can PROVE that it was exploited.

Klifford-
re: "why don't they accept a birth certificate as proof of citizenship??"

They did, but now in Indiana you need a photo ID to protect not from the actuality of voter fraud, but from the brown-tinted perception of it.

Beetlejuice has proven his ignorance once again. The correct answer should have been:

Because there is nothing on a birth certificate to prove that it actually belongs to you on first glance, and poll workers don't have the time or the means to check any deeper than that on election day. Even if they did put photo ID's on a birth certificate, I doubt you would look much like that photo by the time you are old enough to vote.

I like the system in Georgia. Don't have a picture ID? They have a van that will come around so you can get one for free courtesy of the State. It takes a REALLY lazy SOB not to get one then.

Danni,

I love your self-retorting post at 11:25.

What? Don't see how you were retorting yourself? Ok, I will explain for the slow people in the class:

First you go on about the "hackable" voting machines, failing to provide one iota of evidence that they HAVE been hacked, just that it is possible to do so. Not for the first time either, this is one of your pet rants.

Then you demand proof that the voting system HAS been frauded. Presumably this must be done before you would accept a voter ID system.

The self-retort is in your double standard of proof needed. In one case you only need proof that it CAN be done before demanding a solution. In the other, a glaring hole in security isn't enough, instead you must have proof that it HAS been done.

If you want to be consistant, either stop demanding changes with the voting machine until proof can be shown that machines WERE hacked in an election... OR... accept that a security hole should be plugged as soon as it is detected, not after it is already exploited.

Or you can just keep on with your obvious moronic hackery.

Which will it be?

Moom,

All due respect, there's a huge difference between the two. With regards to the machines, if you can show they're faulty, they shouldn't be used, period.

But the ID enters into a different realm entirely. The right to vote is enshrined in the Constitution. This decision says the requirement to have a photo ID trumps the Constitutional right to vote. I disagree. While I'd love for everyone to have a photo ID, look who it caught last time: a handful of nuns.

So they couldn't be more different: there's nothing in the Constitution giving one company the right to pawn off a hackable machine to an electorate.

moon lost me after Danni.

After that it was all blah blah blah!

Ok, so no one can point to a case of in-person voter fraud that is worth the disenfranchisement of nuns, old people, and minorities(which is in direct violation of both the 14th Amendment and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.)

That's quite instructive.

Hmmmmmmm I seem to recall a one Ann Coulter voting in the WRONG precinct. I wonder if they asked Her for Her ID Hmmmmmmmm

Larry Mohr

Larry-
I thought that was kinda funny, too. When asked about actual cases of in-person voter fraud, they could only come up with Ann Coulter.

Is Ann Coulter a secret Mexican?

One has to wonder if they are just trying to close a practice the republicans have been doing for 8 years now.

I don't know betelg. I think it's all a crock of shit from the right. Where in the US Constitution does it say that one must show an ID before they are allowed to vote?? I know of a few seniors that don't have an ID. They don't want one either. Bunch of shit if You ask Me.

Larry Mohr

"Is Ann Coulter a secret Mexican?"

unfortunately she's just a secret man

again
why can't we use the birth certificate or naturalization certificate
as proof of citizenship

"as a policy you support to protect you from the voter fraud you talk about, but can't substantiate, has denied these nuns their vote"

No, their own laziness or ignorance denied them their vote.

A Democracy or Republic requires active participation by its constituents...

if I "didn't know the date/location/time of where and when to vote, and someone didn't come to tell me personally and pick me up on the day and take me by the hand....was I denied my right to vote?

NO, it was my responsibility to know where and when and have transportation in place....

just like it was their job to know about needing an ID and getting one.

If you want to be elected to the House, Senate, or White House, what proof do you have to present?

Voting. No difference.

You have a right only if you meet the requirements.
Prove you meet the requirements.

"Voting. No difference"

Um, age? Let's start there.

Also, there is that nasty little detail of requirements for office being listed in the Constitution. Voting, not so much. The only way this would be constitutional is if the ID's were free and were distributed evenly (so you didn't have to go 100 miles to get one). Please. Why are Righties afraid of people voting?

No difference.

Sorry, I didn't elaborate.

There's no difference in the fact that you must meet the legal requirements to run for office.

There is a legal requirement to vote.

How do you prove if someone is legally allowed to run for office?

Doesn't the person running for office legally required to prove it?

What's the difference for proving you have a legal right to vote? You have to be a citizen. If you're not, you can't vote. So, prove it.

Same thing with running for office. For the White House, don't you have to prove you're a citizen? Don't you have to prove your age?

Nobody complains about the public office's requirements and proof.

"Where in the US Constitution does it say that one must show an ID before they are allowed to vote??"

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr


Larry, you're the one who pointed out to me about the UN Charter and reading it.

So, read the Constitution. Where does it state you have to prove your age to run for President. It doesn't. But, the requirement exists and I'm sure that anyone running for President or any other office must verify their eligibility.

So, you want to vote? Prove your eligible to vote.
Whether it is ID or some other choice document, I don't care. But, asking for proof is not unconstitutional. Refusing to prove you have a right, to me, is a violation of my right to know you legally can.

Me being forced to get an ID is a Violation of My Right to Privacy ever think of THAT Petrous?? Maybe I don't want the Country to know every little thing about Me. Oh and there is a such a thing as a Birth certificate that they can look at to find out if I am eligable or not to vote. See easy peasy.

Larry Mohr

Me being forced to get an ID is a Violation of My Right to Privacy ever think of THAT Petrous?? Maybe I don't want the Country to know every little thing about Me. Oh and there is a such a thing as a Birth certificate that they can look at to find out if I am eligable or not to vote. See easy peasy.


You're worried about the Country knowing every little thing about you, but you're willing to submit your birth certificate as proof that you are eligible to vote?

The only difference between a state photo ID and a birth certificate is the picture.

I know some elderly people who don't have birth certificates, but they managed to get a state photo ID.

The more intelligent of the righties know very well why laws such as this are proposed and it has nothing to do with insuring the integrity of elections. It is an obvious excuse to disenfranchise many poor people. Please don't be such hypocrits that you won't even admit the truth about it here on this little blog. Don't worry, none of those poor folks will read it, it won't prevent your party from doing it but it will make you look less gullible and stupid.
As for those who actually believe this SHIT is really for the stated purposes, you're not really smart enough to bother having a discussion with.
To me, the most hypocritical are those who pretend to be stupid enough to believe this kind of crap.

Danni,

Given that you so frequently deride election fraud, I am a bit surprised to see you take such a cynical stance on this.


The proposals I have seen include distributing photo ID's (if a voter didn't already possess photo ID) for free.

Interesting link, Andrea. Some ugly GOP antics! I'm not clear on what a photo id would do to fix what's listed in that link, though.

Let's take the worst case possible in that link. Going back to 2000, there were 86 people convicted from unspecified "ballot fraud offenses." That number, 86 is unbelievably insignificant, IMHO, to enact an unproven "cure." Especially since we don't know what "ballot fraud offenses" even means.

One thing appears quite clear. More people will be disenfranchised than those that have committed fraud.

At least we're keeping Nuns with expired passports from voting.

Larry,

I agreed with you. See...

"Whether it is ID or some other choice document, I don't care..."
Posted by Petrous at 2008-05-13 04:31 PM

"... Oh and there is a such a thing as a Birth certificate that they can look at to find out if I am eligable or not to vote. See easy peasy.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-05-13 04:40 PM |


You have to be a citizen to vote. The citizens of the US have a right to ask for proof of citizenship when you vote.

The righties have been asked:

why are you so afraid of people voting?

I'll ask the left:

why are you so afraid of people providing proof of citizenship?

I'm "afraid" of nuns in indiana not being able to vote because of a law that "fixed" a "problem" indiana didn't really have.

if a liquor store didn't card, and no one was checking anything about the people entering or leaving the store other than taking the people at their word....how would you know if Indiana had a problem with underage people buying liquor?

The cops would catch underage kids drinking.

"if a liquor store didn't card..."

Apples and oranges, unless you can show where, in the Constitution, the right to buy liquor is guaranteed.

seriously Danforth.....

you don't see the example I'm providing...it was said that it was fixing a problem Indiana doesn't have...

how is that known....how do we know that every single "undocumented alien" didn't vote in previous elections?


I was in know way saying the right to buy liquor is in the constitution...that doesn't even make sense.

correct the cops would potentially catch underage drinkers...but in this example where is the "after voting policing"...there is none as it isn't possible.

the only checkpoint is when you show up and say I'm here to vote.

why are you so afraid of people providing proof of citizenship?


as cynical and conspiratorial as it sounds, it always seems that providing proof of citizenship would require some of the folks democrats seem to be targeting with their rhetoric to become legal citizens.

"You don't have to be a citizen of this country to help in this election."

So . . . it's not in the Constitution to require a photo ID before casting a ballot, therefore it's unconstitutional. Interesting.

Well last I checked, the Constitution guarantees a right to keep and bear arms. So should I be able to carry one around without a permit? Buy one without a photo ID?

Constitution also repealed prohibition, meaning that US citizens are allowed to drink. So are the ID rules unconstitutional? How about cities that require a permit to peaceably assemble, with a parade or a demonstration, or an outdoor concert?

Libs don't mind requiring all kinds of documentation to enjoy rights guaranteed by the constitution. It's only when you try to stamp out voter fraud that they blow the dust off their copy of the Constitution, and wave it in front of our faces.

Is there anyone posting here who doesn't have some type of ID? Drivers License, SS Card, passport, birth certificate?

I'll never understand the opposition to this...

Apparently the only opposition is it was brought up by a republican. So it's obviously some vast right wing conspiracy.

"It's only when you try to stamp out voter fraud that they blow the dust off their copy of the Constitution, and wave it in front of our faces."

RisR, I understand the legality of the issue but I don't have to accept that folks, such as yourself, honestly believe there has been a significant enough problem with voter fraud to require laws and even constitutional amendments that we ALL KNOW WILL DISENFRANCHISE LEGITIMATE CITIZENS.
All I am saying is don't be a fucking hypocrity. Admit it is a political tactic and I'll leave y'all alone about it. There are some posters on this site who I would believe think there is a significant problem, to be kind they are not too bright, but you sir don't have that excuse and you know it.

Danni,

done intelligently we all know this can be done without disenfranchising anyone.

the right to vote is the most precious of our liberties, to not do everything that we can to ensure that only legal citizens vote shouldn't be tolerated.

this is an obvious hole, and an easy on to fill.

Is there anyone posting here who doesn't have some type of ID? Drivers License, SS Card, passport, birth certificate?

I'll never understand the opposition to this...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

Rob, count yourself among the lucky who have never had i.d. problems. Alot of times you need a minimum number of other i.d.'s to get another i.d. If you don't have the minimum, you are basically treated as a non-person. Post 9/11, coming by a valid and widely accepted i.d. can be even more difficult.

It can cost a person much time and money jumping through the hoops to get an i.d.....

i.d. = poll tax.

It can cost a person much time and money jumping through the hoops to get an i.d.....

i.d. = poll tax.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine


Then start now, because maybe you'll need one to vote.

There is no reason for any AMERICAN to not have any type of ID.

I can see how getting picked up and given a free ID can be a real albatross around one's neck...

Let's see...Cable bill, a benefit card, and a birth certificate (or Social Security card) will pretty much seal the deal.

And to think millions upon millions of Americans have managed to get ID's in this post 911 era. How ever did they do it? Those people deserve a fucking medal! Talk about over comming the odds!

Let's see...Cable bill, a benefit card, and a birth certificate (or Social Security card) will pretty much seal the deal.

Posted by 101Chairborne

Alot of people don't have even those documents.

I'm happy for you that you don't know any of them.

"count yourself among the lucky"

Hagbard, are you saying that a majority of citizens have had a hard time acquiring an ID when they've needed one?

damn,

given the lefts view of open borders, and ID less voting standards....

freakin Osama Bin Laden could stroll across the border and vote himself.

I wonder if he's an Obama or McCain guy?

Rob, count yourself among the lucky who have never had i.d. problems.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-05-14 02:45 PM | Rep


Wow. So the vast vast majority of the population should consider themselves lucky?

Alot of people don't have even those documents.

I'm happy for you that you don't know any of them.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-05-14 03:15 PM | Reply

For arguments sake, define "a lot".

I'd argue that anyone lacking a State Issued ID, or a cable bill (bill of any kind), benie card, SS Card, birth certificate, etc isn't smart enough to find a polling place let alone close the fucking curtain in order to vote.

Hagbard, are you saying that a majority of citizens have had a hard time acquiring an ID when they've needed one?

Posted by kwrx25

No, but many do. I've seen it time and time again. Now granted, these anecdotes are usually, but not always, about people who for one sketchy reason or another (and again, often, but not always, of their own making) don't have the necessary id to get the necessary id. But last I checked, there was no fools exclusion to the right to vote.

I'd argue that anyone lacking a State Issued ID, or a cable bill (bill of any kind), benie card, SS Card, birth certificate, etc isn't smart enough to find a polling place let alone close the fucking curtain in order to vote.

Posted by 101Chairborne

Is that one your call to make? but then you should campaign to amend the constitution to include a fools exclusion clause in the right to vote.

What if a voter ID law had a provision that allowed anyone who showed up at the polls without one to get an ID right there, on the spot? Would liberals still bitch and moan about it?

there's no fools exclusion, but we don't exactly vote of 2nd thursday of every month. I would think it would be fair to say anyone who's a citizen should be able to get this done by Nov.

especially if the process use in Georgia were the rule of the land, you don't have one, well we'll take you to get one for free.

if that were the process, is there really an argument left?

A productive member of society has an ID, it's that simple.

What good is my vote or your vote if somebody casts a counter vote that is fraudulent?

"What if a voter ID law had a provision that allowed anyone who showed up at the polls without one to get an ID right there, on the spot? Would liberals still bitch and moan about it?"

Posted by JOE at 2008-05-14 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, but then Republicans wouldn't push such a measure, so the question is moot.

What good is my vote or your vote if somebody casts a counter vote that is fraudulent?

Posted by 101Chairborne

The numbers of cases of voter fraud just don't support the law in the first place, and two, there isn't a "non-productive member of society" exclusion to the right to vote either.

101Chairborne-
re: "A productive member of society has an ID, it's that simple."

I would submit that a poor 90 year old nun is probably no longer a truly "productive member of society", and probably is a drain on society to boot, so I guess the new law is working as you deem it should.

Congrats.

if that were the process, is there really an argument left?

Posted by kwrx25

Depends on how difficult it is to get the id once you're there.

for the sake of argument, and to frame what the process should be...

Let's say it's damn easy...they swing you by your house, pick up the same docs that you would need to provide to get the most basic of anything...I'll leave that open for suggestion...

assuming some folks might have an issue, we should even let them vote, but hold it aside until residency can be verified, and if the vote is close, those are followed up on.

would you have had an issue if the nuns could have voted, and if they could have then followed up in this fashion with proof of residency their vote count?

We should not be letting anyone who shows up and can name an address they supposedly live at vote.

"assuming some folks might have an issue, we should even let them vote, but hold it aside until residency can be verified, and if the vote is close, those are followed up on."

It's call a "provisional ballot."

Just because one effect of a law is to disenfranchise certain people does not mean that that is the law's intent, and it does not invalidate the law. The intent of voter ID laws is to reduce voter fraud by requiring people to prove that they are who they say they are. By not having a photo ID you are disenfranchising yourself.

By not having a photo ID you are disenfranchising yourself.

Posted by JOE at 2008-05-14 04:33 PM | Reply


Negatory the States are disenfranchising the voters who have no ID by requireing it which has no basis within the Requirements of the US Constitution. Where in the US Constitution does it state one must have a Voter ID???? Where Joe show Me??

Larry Mohr

"Where in the US Constitution does it state one must have a Voter ID?"

Since when does the Constitution have to mandate every specific law passed on the books?

The Constitution also doesn't say "States shall require voters to say where they live." But we do that anyway. Is that unconstitutional too?

Requiring an ID to vote is not an excessive hurdle. It is easy to get an ID. Anyone who wants to go vote, can go get an ID first. It becomes a two-step process instead of one. Following two simple steps is not hard.

Lenny,
Where in the Constitution does it say I have to find my own way to the polling place?

Requiring an ID to vote is not an excessive hurdle. It is easy to get an ID. Anyone who wants to go vote, can go get an ID first. It becomes a two-step process instead of one. Following two simple steps is not hard.

Posted by JOE at 2008-05-14 04:52 PM | Reply

You are so dead wrong yet again it's pathetic. If Votingt is a Right and not a privledge then there should be NO Requirement in exercising that right should there be?? By Requiring a voter ID You are in essense declaring voting to be a privledge and not a right. If it is in fact a right no requirement is needed.

Larry Mohr

There is nothing more wrong than Larry's 4:58 post. I started typing out a reply, but I ended up typing the word "wrong" about seven times. It seemed stupid, so I'll just say - you're wrong. I don't feel like talking to someone so stupid as to say that there should be "no requirement" - i.e. including stating your name and address - in exercising our right to vote.

Voting is a privilege--

If you are a felon you lose the privelege to vote

If you under the age of 18 --you can't vote--If you are not an American Citizen--you cannot vote.

There is nothing cumbersome about showing an ID to vote

People have ID to cash a check, write a check--bank business, drive a car, proof that a credit card is yours--

And the SCOTUS already voted on this issue and said folks should show an ID.

HOw would you like it Larry--if there were people in front of you in line without ID's claiming they had the right to vote?

Who are these people? Easy to check the register with an ID and their name. This will ensure YOUR VOTE is not trounced upon or dienfranchised by someone who is trying to fraud the system.

If not--the procedure is to complete a provisional ballot and be counted later when the registrar's office can figure it out.

Next up with ID will be that muslim woman who wants her photo ID to be her and her veil--and that should suffice!

Just follow the rules and everyone wins. There is no downside by requiring folks to provide ID when voting.

Murphy

So Joe You are declaring that voting is a privledge and NOT a right. Ok I can handle that but please never declare it a right ever again because You take away the value of Our Constitutionally protected rights. Thanks

Larry Mohr

"You are declaring that voting is a privledge and NOT a right."

No, I'm not. Just as you misunderstand the Constitution, you misunderstand my posts. At least you're consistent.

No I don't misunderstand the constitution Joe. Where the fuck doies it require aq voter ID when voting in the US COnstitution??? I dare You look at it and tell Me?? if Voting is a Right and not a privledge then No requirement is necessary to excersize that right. It's common fucking sense. Something it appears YOU lack Joe.

Larry Mohr

Most lose the privilege to vote --even for a standard amount of time as the State determines.

HOw about being over 18

How about being an American Citizen?


Murphy

"Where the fuck doies it require aq voter ID when voting in the US COnstitution???"

Again - look at 99.9% of the laws on the books and tell me where the Constitution requires them. It doesn't. The Constitution is a framework and a backstop. It is not a specific enumeration of all laws in the United States. Figure it the fuck out.