After watching spokes-drone Terry Mc. on tv this morning, its obvious that the Clintons will not admit they've lost anymore than the Black Knight of Monty Python fame, sans arms and legs would. I have blogged for months because anyone with the slightest sense of political history could have seen this coming from Arkansas by way of South Carolina long ago.

Its time for good Democrats to turn their backs on the Clinton egomanical lust for power once and for all. Singlehandedly they've carved up the Democratic Party into a poisonous stew of racial and class identity politics that doesn't do a single thing to help ALL Americans who've suffered so wretchedly during the Bush 43 disaster increase their wages or pay for their healthcare or anything of real substance that will improve the lives of those Hillary so easily claims as her own.

Its truly a shame that Obama has spent the better part of two years trying to unite America so its issues cannot be sidetracked by the very divisive type of politics so easily exploited against the Party's and the people's interests by the narcisistic egomania endlessly shown by both Bill and Hillary.

In what should have been a year of historic triumph over years and years of status quo, we're instead faced with erstwhile Democrats using the same reviled Southern Strategy made famous by Richard Nixon and the foundation of GOP victories since 1968. Thanks for nothing Clintons, we won't forget all that you've done.

Well said, Tony.

Gotterdammerung

I was attracted to Hillary's candidacy last winter. Then I moved to Obama. But I never, ever thought that she'd stoop as low as she's gone. Shame on you, Hillary.

Stick a Cork in her, she's done.

Tony This Is Great !!

These Voters Have Voted Against Their Best Interest For The Last 4 Elections.

What Will They Do Once Byrd Dies ? They Will Have No One In Congress That Will Support Treacherous Voting History, With Byrd's Pork Barrel Projects.

-Sarge

What time is it?
It is Obama Double Standard Time?

This is all about lib speak: There is no racial component when 97% of black voters vote for Obama as long as no one mentions it. Also there is no racial component when Obama gets less than 50% of the white vote as long as no one talks about it.

Hillary's sin in the eyes of libs is mentioning the facts. I think she should not only mention it but quit being so lib sensitive and bring up Rev Wright's crazy statements as well as Michelle Obama's nutty rants. Hillary has been to easy on Obama because of political correctness.

Ok tell Me something. SInce Bubba claims to be the first black President doesn't that mean His wife is pissing all over Her "Black" Husband?? Seems to Me She is.

Larry Mohr

I expect to see Hillary win all but one of the remaining democrat primary contest left and by wide margins at that. She will have the most popular votes going into the convention.

This will certainly give her a strong case for the nomination especially if Florida and Michigan are seated.

No mainstream liberal power brokers have been trying to shut Hillary down for months with no success. Their friends like Olbermann in the media have been leading the drumbeat to declare Obama victor in the 6th inning with a one run lead.

All this is doing is alienating those who support Hillary. This can only lead to widespead desertions among white democrat ranks.

Bee Swell

Yammering for Hillary now is just an exercise of faith over reason.

At some point it will become clear even to the Clintons that the longer she remains in the race the more damage she will be doing to any hopes of getting the nomination in 2012. Her lack of graciousness in giving Obama the clear path he has earned will be remembered.

At some point it will become clear even to the Clintons that the longer she remains in the race the more damage she will be doing to any hopes of getting the nomination in 2012. Her lack of graciousness in giving Obama the clear path he has earned will be remembered.

This is all about lib speak: There is no racial component when 97% of black voters vote for Obama as long as no one mentions it. Also there is no racial component when Obama gets less than 50% of the white vote as long as no one talks about it.

The reason no one talks about it is because the media stopped running the narrative "Is Obama black enough?" just about the time Hillary's percentage of black support dropped from near 70% to under 10% once white Americans proved that they prefered Obama over Hillary in the early contests.

Why haven't idiots like you bothered to talk about how Hillary and Bill lost the black Democrats with their racist dog-whistle politics instead of focusing on the obvious fact if you insult an entire group and render their opinions irrelevant, they just might put you in the same category?

Never once has Obama tried to divide the electorate for his own political gain. Even when he awkwardly articulates what Democrats have known as the truth for decades, the vulturous Clintons swoop in and imply that he's dissing those "hard-working whites" that comprise the foundation of Republican presidential victories since 1968.

Maybe some of you need to re-listen to Obama's speech at the 2004 convention which espoused his platform for uniting Americans of various stripes and stations. There wasn't a single word of disrespect toward anyone's culture or heritage, just a never-ending thanks that only in America can so many so different share so much in common. This will be the message he wins with in November as soon as the Clintons are relegated to the trash heap of failed division that they call "fun". The truly sad point is so many whites blindly fear the half-white son of a single mother, who's own white family raised one of the most remarkable persons this nation has produced into a position of leadership and public service in a generation. Instead of fear, they should be embracing him because he understands their plight in ways the millionaire Clintons couldn't possibly begin to from their newly purchased ivory tower.

She lost support because Obama gained it by addressing the concerns of the black community without appealing to blatant pandering. Has he offered some government-led, pro-black platform of issues? Of course not. His view is upon improving the lot of all those who don't have a fair proportion of this nation's bountiful harvest because the government protects the corporations at the expense of the workers.

Obama doesn't talk about the "historic nature" of his candidacy, but Hillary does every single time she mentions thats "he's black and I'm a woman" as though people with eyes and ears cannot discern this obvious truth. Maybe one day it will hit Mrs. Clinton right between her Crown Royal shooting eyes that America has chosen the Democratic nominee not because of his racial makeup, but because he best articulates the stances on the issues that they want to see action upon instead of buying into her self-serving agenda of "me-me-me-me, vote for the girl who won't give up and that's me".

Hillary Clinton is a goddamned disgrace.

SHE`D HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE IF SHE LEAVES THE PARTY AND RUNS AS INDEPENDENT....

BADAOPHAY - Ain't gonna happen. Never, ever, not yours or Crackpipe's, Corky's, or Seaton's wet dreams.

Mentioning MI and fl without mentioning the existing agreement only makes her look desperate and irrational.

Give it up.

It's over, Clintonistas. A hard fight, badly fought, and how it's done. So, do you want McCain or not?

BADAOPHAY-
HOW DO YOU FUNCTION ON THE WEEKENDS, WHEN RUSH "DIDN'T SERVE IN VIETNAM DUE TO A BOIL ON HIS ASS" LIMBAUGH ISN'T AROUND TO TELL YOU WHAT TO THINK?

IF YOU'RE LIVING YOUR LIFE BASED ON WWRD (DIVORCE SERIALLY, AVOID ACTUALLY SERVING IN A WAR, GET HOOKED ON DRUGS, BE AS SELFISH AS POSSIBLE IN EVERY ASPECT OF YOUR LIFE AND CALL IT VIRTUE, SPEND YOUR LATTER MIDDLE-AGE WITH A CAT WHO IS YOUR ONLY SOURCE OF LOVE, ETC.), THEN HOW DO YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELF?

Please help me here - what specifically has Hillary said other than stating the fact that working class whites vote for her? You can not deny this fact after the exit polls report exactly the same thing and WV and Kentucky show the trend accelerating. Now, as to why working class whites are swarming to Clinton, I would imagine Obama's elitist and racist remarks are well as his racist pastor/mentor have a lot more to do with the swing in votes over to Hillary more than anything that Hillary has said. What racist comments has Hillary made?

I find it amazing how far Hillary has fallen in your eyes simply because she continues to run against your messiah and has the audacity to drink a beer and shot with working class Dems that have formed the base of the party since its inception. Please keep deluding yourself thinking Hillary is publishing hate speach vs. Obama or is making racist remarks - it will just make it that much funnier watching you respond to Rove when he actually does these things in the general election. I find it entertaining to watch the exhausted Obama machine sputter accross the finish when line when the real race has not even started.

I haven`t listened to Rush Limbaugh for a long time,but I think if Obama gets elected,his withdraw attitude won`t help the country much,he says CHANGE,CHANGE alot but where are his solutions..I haven`t heard any of them yet. TALK IS CHEAP ,PALS....

JAQUESTRAP-
Whites not voting for a black man in WV and Kentucky?

Crazy shit. It must be because Obama is an "elitist" and a "racist".

(How stupid are you, just for a point of reference?)

BADOPHAY-
Could you possibly get someone to interpret for you?

For example,"his withdraw attitude won`t help the country much". What does that mean...did you have a point to make?

BTW, I just assumed that you listened to Limbaugh because frequently your posts consist of nothing more than-

.......OPERATION CHAOS.....

.......OPERATION CHAOS.....

Silly me for jumping to conclusions.

"Hillary's sin in the eyes of libs is mentioning the facts. I think she should not only mention it but quit being so lib sensitive and bring up Rev Wright's crazy statements as well as Michelle Obama's nutty rants. Hillary has been to easy on Obama because of political correctness". -FWTHOM

Some of us admire Obama's being sensitive enough not to bring up Hillary's crazy statements as well as Bill's nutty rants. Obama has been "too easy" on Hillary, but that's because he is the kind of guy he is.

BETELG
You mistake me with somebody else.I never wrote .......OPERATION CHAOS.....in my posts.In fact,I don`t know what does it imply? I am a Clinton supporter.That`s it...

"Obama has been "too easy" on Hillary, but that's because he is the kind of guy he is."

It is different - Obama doesn't need to bring up these items as the MSM and his supporters are doing it for him. Hell, if it was not for Fox News, we wouldn't even know how crazy and racist Obama's pastor was - hell, even Obama would not have known!

"Crazy shit. It must be because Obama is an "elitist" and a "racist".

Betelg, even a moron such as your self should be bright enough to realize that Obama was getting a much higher % of the white vote before his racists pastor/mentor started with his crazy rants. So, what exactly turned off the white voters - Hillary making racists comments (please provide) or Obama's own stupid comments and racists pastor/mentor?

The Obama campaign is like a boxer knocked down in the 12th round hoping to be saved by the bell. Too bad for them, the don't get rest for month until the next fight - the real fight begins against a fresh candidate in the 13th round. You can't blame Hillary for Obama's gaffes. When a candidate's only appeal is his 'judgement' and then his close friends turn out to be a racist pastor and a federally indicted money launderer, even the dim bulbs should start to pick up on the truth....

His wife is pissing all over Her "Black" Husband??

Posted by LarryMohr

How many times have I told you it isn't piss, it is a golden shower.

"How many times have I told you it isn't piss, it is a golden shower."

Posted by Sniper at 2008-05-11 07:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let me guess, you voted for Bush twice.

Unless there is some eroticism behind it it's still being pissed upon and NOT a Golden Shower.

Larry Mohr

BADAOPHAY-
I'M SORRY. I GOT YOU CONFUSED WITH ANOTHER POSTER WHO ALSO YELLS BANALITIES AS IF THEY WERE THE FINEST PEARLS OF WISDOM.

Sarge, let's look at this:

1. If You Are White=Hard Working
Um, did she say if you are not white that you are not hardworking? Do you think she could have possibly refered to her supporters as 'hard working' to project empathy and acknolodge that they are working hard but not getting ahead because of corporate interests etc? How many candidates have ever refered to their supporters as hard working? How many have refered to thier supporters as lazy? Once you get that breakdown, you will see that there is no racism implied.

2. If You Are White=You Are A True American

Please provide a quote to where this was implied (the white part). I would think all candidates would refer to their candidates as true Americans so unless you can provide a link to where she suggests only whites are true Americans, I think you are just pulling stuff out of your ass. You know, Hillary has strong Asian and Hispanic support so are they being alienated by this tactic you are calling out or only blacks?

3. If You Are White But Under-Educated=You Support Clinton

Umm, I think you will find that is stated by Obama supportors repeatedly but never once by Clinton. You will also see the Obama supporters state that if you have sex with your daughter or livestock, you vote for Clinton. I have never seen the reverse stated or implied by Clinton or her supporters.


4. If You Are White And Are Above The Middle In Wages=You Will Not support Her

Once again, please provide a quote to back this up. Clearly, the exit polls show this to be the case but I don't think Clinton has ever stated this.

5. So If You Are White Educated,Work But Not Hard,Upper Middle Class,And You Hold An American Passport Who Do You Support ?"

Um, I don't follow....

Dick Belt-
You are correct. You and others have successfully transformed Obama into the "scary revolutionary negro", and it has nothing to do with your (not so latent) racism and ignorance. That this played well in WV and Kentucky (!) is a mystery you will have to sort out for yourself.

Dick Belt-
re: "Um, I don't follow...."

I doubt that.

What Clinton simply said was that uneducated white people are voting for her more than the black man. You would be a case in point.

Christ almighty!


Jock strap offers up some reasonable assessments and he's labeled a racist because he doesn't want to smoke Obama's pole.


Gotta love the DR - it never fails to entertain.

the Clintons -- and it is indeed both of them -- are just about to paste a bumper sticker on the rear of the collapsing vehicle that carries her campaign. It reads: VOTE WHITE.


They might as well, at this point.


It is utterly ridiculous that Obama is getting over 90% of the African American vote against Hillary in the primary.

This is Dem vs Dem, for Pete's sake. Their platforms are nearly identical.

Obviously, the African American community have decided to vote for Obama in lock-step. Hillary might as well try and attract a bigger chunk of the non-black community.

Betelg:

What Clinton simply said was that uneducated white people are voting for her more than the black man. You would be a case in point.

Well, first things first. I have a an undergrad and MBA from top US universities and have been a member of MENSA since I was 18. So, I think you will have a hard time proving that I am uneducated. Second, Clinton simply stated the fact as reported by the exit polls - how is that racist? If I state a fact such as 'blacks are more likely to wind up in prison than whites' am I being a racist? I would think that it is simply stating a well known facts based on 50 years of statistical data.

You and others have successfully transformed Obama into the "scary revolutionary negro", and it has nothing to do with your (not so latent) racism and ignorance.

Oh, I see. I was the one that forced Obama to pick Wright as his mentor and pastor. I was the one who forced Obama to sit through 20 years of racist rants. Yes, by all means, blame it on me!

Jeff J-
It does sometimes, but Clinton's argument was that she's the better candidate because uneducated whites won't vote for the negro in the general election.

Run on that argument in the Democratic party, I beg you.

Jock,


If I state a fact such as 'blacks are more likely to wind up in prison than whites' am I being a racist? I would think that it is simply stating a well known facts based on 50 years of statistical data.


You wouldn't be making a racist statment, but you'd be labelled as a racist anyways in our rabid, PC culture.

Betelg,


Clinton's argument was that she's the better candidate because uneducated whites won't vote for the negro in the general election.

Run on that argument in the Democratic party, I beg you.


At this point, it's late in the game and she's losing. I think this may be her proverbial 'Hail Mary'.

Betelg,


Regardless, I think you make a pretty good point. Blacks vote in lock-step for the Democratic Party. If she manages to snatch a victory in the primary, but in the process, seriously alienates the African American voting bloc to a point where she loses 5% within said bloc, her candidacy in the general would be toast.

Gotta run.

JeffJ-
That's not the point I was making. Ask "Jacque Strap". I heard he was really smart and went to an ivy league school.

Jacque Strap-
At your MENSA parties, do you compare degrees from various schools? For example, do all the Eli's sit at one table, etc.?

That's not the point I was making. Ask "Jacque Strap".


I'll check back in on this thread tomorrow, Betelg - I'll read more carefully then to try and better understand your point.


I really do have to move on for the night.


CYA!

Jeff-
I don't need to CMA. I have an actual Ivy League member of MENSA to quiz for guidance.

"I Do Not Believe Anyone Is Calling Her Statement Racist, Only It Implicates A "Racial Issue" "

Strap,

You Miss My Point It Is An "Implication" Not That She Ever Stated It. From The Reports Of The Lack Of Knowledge Of Those In That Class In West Virginia It Is Very Scary.

I Agree With Edwards And Rangel, By No Means Is It "Racist". The Statement Of Working, Hard Working Americans ? So The Other Working But Non Hard-Working Are What ?

It Was Poorly Stated And Not Very Positive.

-Sarge

"Gotta love the DR - it never fails to entertain.

Posted by JeffJ "

That's for sure. This place in inundated with rightwing Neanderfucks these days, like Sniper, Johnson, Kuma, BushBlower2, Crackpipejunkie, etc.

"Stick a Cork in her, she's done."

I think you left the Y off

"Well, first things first. I have a an undergrad and MBA from top US universities and have been a member of MENSA since I was 18."

I call bullshit! Your posts don't show that degree of education, nor IQ.

On the other hand, Welcome back Tony! Your posts do.

Those who brag upon their supposed education are dumb as rocks. For You see ones education level or lack thereof would show like light beams on a nights sky illuminating the road ahead. Nobody that is genuinely smart ever brags upon their brains.

Larry Mohr

even an obama with little experience and being a smart guy who can learn, has my support over a shrill hilary who has been lurking behind bill and who has no new ideas to help america. At least barack wants to try to change the status quo and I wil vote for a republican when hell has a cool day!!

"Those who brag upon their supposed education are dumb as rocks."

Well Larry, I never bragged about my education - simply corrected a stupid statement made by Betelg that I was uneducated. I have stated nothing but facts - sorry if that offends you.

"I call bullshit! Your posts don't show that degree of education, nor IQ."

Mista Kurtz - I really don't give a rat's ass what you think as you clearly are lacking in the intelligence department.

"At your MENSA parties, do you compare degrees from various schools? For example, do all the Eli's sit at one table, etc.?"

Betelg - you are the classic case of the intellectually lacking and lazy. Rather than actually try to dispute anything in my argument (and after an unsuccessful ad hominen attack) you simply depart from reality and spew nonsense. I am sure Obama is proud of your great wit....

JR0D54 - "At least barack wants to try to change the status quo"

Sorry to break the news to you, but Obama has a nearly identical voting record as Hillary since joining the senate - both have voted for the war on at least 13 different occasions, etc. Obama has shown no ability or willingness to change anything during his tenure in the senate so why would you believe he will change anything as president? He is an empty suit.

Jacque Strap-
re: "Betelg - you are the classic case of the intellectually lacking and lazy."

Wow, that sounds cool. Do I get a prize? Do I get a bonus on my MENSA test?

Dick hammock-
re: "both have voted for the war on at least 13 different occasions, etc."


Show me the thirteen Obama votes, genius.

Betelg:

"4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion. Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and disappeared. Roll call 109 [W FOR PRO-WAR VOTE]"

"10/07/05: Obama voted for HR2863, which appropriated $50 billion in new money for war. Roll call 2 [W]."

"11/15/05: Obama voted for continued war, again. Roll call 326 was the vote on the Defense Authorization Act (S1042) which kept the war and war profiteering alive, restricted the right of habeas corpus and encouraged terrorism. Pursuant to his pattern, Obama voted for this. [W]."

"12/21/05: Obama confirmed his support for war by voting for the Conference Report on the Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863), Roll call 366, which provided more funding to Halliburton and Blackwater. [W]"

"5/2/06: Obama voted for money for more war by voting for cloture on HR 4939, the emergency funding to Halliburton, Blackwater and other war profiteers. Roll call 103 [W]."

"5/4/06: Obama, again, voted to adopt HR4939: emergency funding to war profiteers. Roll call 112 [W]."

"6/15/06: Obama voted for the conference report on HR4939, a bill that gave warmongers more money to continue the killing and massacre of innocent people in Iraq and allows profiteers to collect more money for scamming the people of New Orleans. Roll Call 171 [W]."

"6/15/06: Obama, again, opposed withdrawal of the troops, by voting to table a motion to table a proposed amendment would have required the withdrawal of US. Armed Forces from Iraq and would have urged the convening of an Iraq summit (S Amdt 4269 to S. Amdt 4265 to S2766) Roll Call 174 [W]"

"6/22/06: Obama voted against withdrawing the troops by opposing the Kerry Amendment (S. Amdt 4442 to S 2766) to the National Defense Authorization Act. The amendment, which was rejected, would have brought our troops home. Roll Call 181 [W]"

"6/22/06: Obama voted for cloture (the last effective chance to stop) on the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766), which provided massive amounts of funding to defense contractors to continue the killing in Iraq. Roll Call 183[W]."

"6/22/06: Obama again voted for continued war by voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766) for continued war funding. Roll Call 186 [W].

9/7/06: Obama voted to give more money to profiteers for more war (H..R. 5631). Roll Call 239 [W]"

"9/29/06: Obama voted vote for the conference report on more funding for war, HR 5631. Roll Call 261 [W]."

"12/06/06: Obama voted to confirm pro-war Robert M. Gates to be Secretary of Defense. Gates is a supporter of Bush's policies of pre-emptive war and conquest of foreign countries. Roll Call 272 [W]"

"Obama's voting record in 2007 establishes that he continues to be pro-war. On March 28, 2007 and March 29th, 2007, he voted for cloture and passage of a bill designed to give Bush over $120 billion to continue the occupation for years to come (with a suspendable time table) and inclusive of funding that could be used to launch a war with Iran. Roll calls 117 and 126 [W]...Obama's record shows a minimum of 20 major pro-war votes..."

Please run along now, there is a cow fart story on the front page that is better aligned with your intelligence and wit....

Dick bundle-
I would think a smart MENSA guy like you would provide a link with your cut-n-paste.

Is this what they taught you at Harvard?

Damn! You majored in Smug and minored in Slow, didn't you?

My condolences to the debtors.

"I would think a smart MENSA guy like you would provide a link with your cut-n-paste."

Why the fuck would I need to paste a link? It has the vote reference numbers - look them up if you like dumbass. Like I said before, you are intellectually lazy. It really does not matter where the cut and paste came from - whether Obama's homepage or stormfront.org - these are his votes like it or not.

Now, Obama may go around and say he is anti-war all he wants - but his votes say the exact opposite. If you told me repeatedly that you were anti-buttfucking 6 year old boys, but then voted to legalize it on 13+ occassions I think people - even dull Obama supporters - would say, "you know, I think that guy might be into buttfucking 6 year old boys"....

"but then voted to legalize it on 13+ occassions"

Legalize It ? No

Support The Troops So They Can Be Equiped And Trained So They Will Not Be Killed ? Yes

The Fact Is Bush Would Continue To Wage This War Regardless, He Would Take The Funds From Other Military Areas.

-Sarge

Jacque Strap-
That's a very long-winded way of stating that you won't provide a link for your cut-n-paste.

Nice effort, but I tire...

Rock on.

"Why the fuck would I need to paste a link?"

Because that's what intellectual honesty requires, whether it be links for the Internet or citations and references for print publishing.

"Support The Troops So They Can Be Equiped And Trained So They Will Not Be Killed ? Yes"

That's pretty disingenuous. A vote for funding the war is a vote for the war. Politicians with courage will ignore the attempt at framing the debate and do the right thing, i.e., vote against funding.

Here's the problem for you dems. A lot of those hard working whites that are supporting Hillary will be sitting out or voting for McCain in the Fall. They don't like Obama's racist remarks, Rev Wright's wacky racist remarks, and Michelle Obama's lack of pride in America. Many Whites are sick and tired of lib created affirmative action and are tired of Blacks bitching and complaining about everything.

Racially Sensitive Thom

That's pretty disingenuous. A vote for funding the war is a vote for the war. Politicians with courage will ignore the attempt at framing the debate and do the right thing, i.e., vote against funding.

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-05-11 10:50 PM


Sorry But It Is Not, The First Death Attributed For Not Funding The Troops Is A Crime, Period !

The Funds Would Come From Other Areas And It Would Not End It. Framing A Debate Vs American Lives Is No Contest !

-Sarge

So now you fools are listening to Barnicle, who stole George Carlin's jokes to pass off as his own, and Peggy Nonan, right wing tool. Good to see the Kool Aid working. Have fun over in wing nut land.

Hillary aint no racist, but it appears that Obama has done more spade work than she thought,Hmmm.

Because that's what intellectual honesty requires, whether it be links for the Internet or citations and references for print publishing.

Posted by nullifidian

Well it is possible to look at the congressional record YOURSELF but people are too lazy to look. I am sure buttguice would rather be spoon fed the information then act like a pole smoking troll.

Ah, the pervasive racism that permeates this nation is well illustrated by the clustering of the black vote in support of Obama, voting practice predicated on grounds of racial identity.

Will this polarizing tendency of voting based on racial identity spread to whites?

What can be done to counteract demonstrated black racism. This seems to be the last bastion of racism in America. Black racist identity voting did make a mulatto man's candidacy viable.

How can Obama continue to profit from racism?

Got it. Obama needs to continue making two pitches, one directed at black folks promising bigoted racial preference policies, and another to white folks never addressing matters in terms of race. Dissimulation wins the contest.

And remember, McCain is a weak throwaway candidate. If someone can't beat McCain ... geez.

If Obama wins the election, and the nation suffers an economic downturn and deepening crisis due to among other things, the commodities shortage, oil and all, due to increasing population and industrialization without an accompanying substantial increase in amounts of commodities available, will the blame erroneously be placed on Obama as a failed leader, or Obama as a black person? Or both?

Is the world in crisis with looming food shortages? Depleted fisheries? Depleted granaries? It augers ill.

Ah, but wait. There is hope. The atheist left regards Obama as a savior. Remember.

Jesus replied, "They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat."

"We have here only five loaves of bread and two fish," they answered.

"Bring them here to me," he said. And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children. -- Matthew 14:15-21

These lefty Obama supporters want to make him a bubble boy, somehow insulated from criticism by the outside world as if "the bubble" can protect him from criticism of his "being."

the "bubble" the Obama camp is trying to create is the "racism bubble." Say anything untoward or that might harm Obama's candidacy, and the repellent is the charge of "racism." But that's wearing thin with many members of the electroate.

The response is okay, it's racism. So what? Do the allegations or charges make the candidate less attractive. Then the observations of who and what he is, stick. There will be no bubble for "bubble boy Obama" despite the delusions of his supporters.

Obama lacks gravitas, pietas, dignitas. But such lacks do not distinguish him from other candidates. What a poor choice of candidates. The smoke-filled rooms produced better candidates as their faults and weaknesses were known to those with whom they were acquainted, and the bosses were not fooled by a false public image created by PR machines. You don't need to "fool all of the people all of the time." You just need to "fool some of the people enough of the time" to be elected to public office. Fortunately, this Ms Hillary - Obama hen-scratching funfest has disclosed some of the negative aspects of both candidates. McCain's many many negatives are not obscure. McCain is outn there woefully weak, without much of an intellect, and ... Why bother with the enumeration? Regardless of how weak McCain is, who could be more unfit than Obama? Very few. And McCain is not one who is less fit than Obama.

even dull Obama supporters - would say, "you know, I think that guy might be into buttfucking 6 year old boys"....

Posted by Jacque_Strap at 2008-05-11 10:24 PM | Reply


Wot?

Yet another raisin to vote fer him!

McCain is not one who is less fit than Obama.

mccain isn't fit to lead anything
let alone this country
he changes stances so much
you have no idea what his real stance is

then he says 'i didn't say that' after the youtube video of him saying it already released

"gook hating" mccain is the worst choice for america

his views on economy are a losing bet
his health care plan is a losing bet
his iraq plan is a winning bet for china, but a losing bet for america
his gas plan is downright insulting

to say obama lacks a plan... obama has the most detailed plans... he doesnt' just say change, he epitomises it as well as backing it up.

what obama has shown me is that the bar for president and elected officials in general needs to be much higher then what mccain and hillary and many others are offering.

maybe obama is not the best person for the job, but he's the best of the choices, and is the best for maybe in the future coursing this country in the direction that is best.

Admit it, Klifferd.


You just like Obama because he's a Muslim.

what obama has shown me is that the bar for president and elected officials in general needs to be much higher then what mccain and hillary and many others are offering.


What has he shown you? His Legislative experience? His ability to reach across party lines? His ability to protect America with all that military and foreign policy experience? His promise to lower gas prices? His promise to give everyone free healthcare? How can a 46 year old Junior Senator of less than 4 years be the so called bar for president???

Obama is a revolutionary with street smarts. He was out on the hustings stirring up racial antagonisms as an extortion tool. He learned Saul Alinsky activism. Who says that Obama can't get things done. Why Rev. Sharpton might even lend Obama his bullhorn so that Obama can exhort his followers.

Wait, someone needs to be productive, and Obama is a leader of indigents on the take. If no one is productive, who can they take from?

This is a quandary.

Maybe part of Obama's detailed plans should address production of goods and services rather than their distribution.

jeffj :)

honestly though

if he was a muslim and was lying about it
i wouldn't like him
at all

if your muslim and you hide it your not on my a list

obama is definately a christian, and a stronger one then most in this country because he chose christianity out of all the offered options in this great country.

is obama good for the educated moderate muslim? yes

but he is good for all americans in my opinion.

he understands which muslims are the enemy, which ones aren't. he understands the difference in the sects. he understands the christian point of view. he understands the political point of view. he understands the american interest's point of view.

the other candidates can't even tell which americans are on their sides and which ones aren't and they are too busy fighting each other on it.

Wait! Got it. Obama could take from his "limousine liberal" constituency and give to his "black mendicant" constituency.

Now if the "limousine liberals" were sincere, they wouldn't wait, but would create a trust and transfer the bulk of their assets as well as most of their income to the trust for distribution to the "black mendicant" constituency.

You "limousine liberals" don't need to wait for a coercive government to compel these transfers, you are able to act voluntarily.

"How can a 46 year old Junior Senator of less than 4 years be the so called bar for president???"

because he tells the american public how it is.

he is honest, well spoken, inspirational, intelligent, and has more detailed plans then the experienced.

the guys/gals with the "experience" you claim can't even do that... how can they lead?

"limousine liberals"

i guess a vast percentage of america are "limousine liberals"

so stupid

i don't have a limo

i have the cheapest subaru i can get and my wife drives a yaris.

but i'm a "limousine liberals"

mccain can use his wifes private jet
but obama's constituents are the "limousine liberals"

if thats the case, why aren't mccain and his wife among obama's "limousine liberals"

why?
cause you are wrong

obamas constituents are the college educated
not the "limousine liberals" as you put it

the limousine riders are voting for mccain.

You "elitist republicans" don't need to wait for a coercive government to take away our constitutional rights, you give them away voluntarily.

"he is honest, well spoken, inspirational, intelligent, and has more detailed plans then the experienced."

Yes, he does have a huge plan - I think like 50 pages. Too bad it is single sided, double spaced and in 42 point font. The guy is an empty suit - great at laying out what he wants to see as the end state - but not giving any details about how he will get there or pay for it. American people love politicians that promise them the world for free....that is why we continually get a bunch of liars winning elections.

Obama lacks gravitas, pietas, dignitas.

This is so far my favorite of Johnson's variety of descriptions of Obama.

Let's guess which Presidents he thinks had all or any of the above. Let's say since 1960.

16,003,521 voters (As of 5/6) does not a "vast percentage of america" make. Maybe 1/2 of 1%.

-Yoda

actually hagbard

1 percent is 3 million voters

16 million is over 5%

far from vast percentage

but a definate voting block is 5%

"Yes, he does have a huge plan - I think like 50 pages. Too bad it is single sided, double spaced and in 42 point font. The guy is an empty suit - great at laying out what he wants to see as the end state - but not giving any details about how he will get there or pay for it. American people love politicians that promise them the world for free....that is why we continually get a bunch of liars winning elections."

you sure your not talking about mccain
cause it sounds more like him.

16 million is over 5%

Posted by klifferd

Man.... thanks.

Yeah, 5% has the power to throw an election.

Yoda,

How did you get Vernon's calculator. ;-p

Barnicle: Race is All the Clintons Have Left

OPEN MOUTH. INSERT FOOT.

This will come back to bite Barnicle's, ahem, professional opinion and credibility. I can't wait for the forced retraction!

Do you really think that the Clinton's can't find another swift boat or reverend at the eleventh hour? PUH-LEEZE. They already have it. They are just waiting for the right exact moment to leak it.

$5.00 bets anyone?

Posted by klifferd at 2008-05-12 03:09 PM

obamas constituents are the college educated

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-05-12 03:30 PM

16,003,521 voters (As of 5/6) does not a "vast percentage of america" make. Maybe 1/2 of 1%.

-Yoda

actually hagbard

1 percent is 3 million voters

16 million is over 5%

far from vast percentage

but a definate voting block is 5%

Aren't regular logic and math courses required in the Black Studies, Ethnic Studies, Gay Studies, and Feminist Studies programs? Or do they just require evidence that you have been properly inculcated with their dogma so as to graduate?

"Of course, much of the constituency of Obama enthusiasts aside from blacks, are the young and the ignorant."

Obama Supporters Demographics Over Clinton:

1. New Voters (Young And Old)

2. College Graduates (Of ALL Ages)

3. Union Workers

4. Democrats (In General)

5. Independents

6. Republicans

7. Military

9. Multi-Cultural

10. Anyone Wanting Change

-Sarge

So, let's just talk in symbols instead of simply stating the facts.

Blacks vote overwhelmingly for Obama in these primaries, while whites seem to be voting primarily (although not nearly in the same percentage) for Hillary.

What it all means, heck who knows? People get to vote for whomever they want, and they aren't obligated to explain it. but what's wrong with stating the obvious?

Just for the record, I wouldn't vote for Hillary or Obama, so I have no dog in that hunt..

If its racist for whites to support Hillary, why isn't it racist that blacks support Obama? All of this prolonged drama is no-one's fault other than the Dem party leaders, and the insane way they run the primaries. Personally, I like the infighting. go Hillary, keep punching.