White Americans? Hard-working white Americans? "Even Richard Nixon didn't say white," an Obama supporter said, "even with the Southern strategy."

If John McCain said, "I got the white vote, baby!" his candidacy would be over. And rising in highest indignation against him would be the old Democratic Party.

To play the race card as Mrs. Clinton has, to highlight and encourage a sense that we are crudely divided as a nation, to make your argument a brute and cynical "the black guy can't win but the white girl can" is -- well, so vulgar, so cynical, so cold, that once again a Clinton is making us turn off the television in case the children walk by.

"She has unleashed the gates of hell," a longtime party leader told me. "She's saying, 'He's not one of us.'"

I heard Peggy Noonan this morning on MSNBC, and she said Hillary's comments about Obama not being able to get the "hardworking white" vote were "vulgar". Hillary can't seem to get the black vote, the younger generation vote or the college educated vote. How the heck does that add up to her coaltion being stronger?

Gal Tuesday-
re: I heard Peggy Noonan this morning on MSNBC, and she said Hillary's comments about Obama not being able to get the "hardworking white" vote were "vulgar".

Whatever. She wrote speeches for "Welfare Queen" Reagan.

Whatever. She wrote speeches for "Welfare Queen" Reagan.

If was kind of fun watching her argue with/against Pat Buchanan. Guess you had to be there.

Are you kidding? I would pay minutes to have seen it!

Gal Tuesday-
Clinton should realize this about now, I agree.

Everybody else can talk about the white vote and the black vote and Latino vot except Clinton?

WTF.

Isn't your talking about the "black vote, the younger generation vote or the college educated vote" vulgar too?

As I've said elsewhere, I think slicing and dicing Democratic voters in this way will be detrimental to the party's chances in November. Hillary is basically talking about an anti-Obama vote in the fall. There would be an anti-Hillary vote too, in both parties.

The polls are too kind to McCain, and his free ride is about to end. In fact, his only chance is against Clinton who has negatives in the 50+ range. He will not beat Obama in November.

It's easy to flip a state like Missourah. Here the parties are about evenly matched and so the elections really reflect the turnout and vote of the Independents. McCain will not carry the state because we have a reform candidate running for governor on the Dem side, and Senator McCaskill is hugely popular.

Hillary couldn't win the primary and McCain doesn't motivate the base, though they might turn out to vote against Obama. I suspect there's other states where the voters will follow a racial preference, and that's an advantage for McCain, but I don't see pro-choice women staying at home or voting McCain and that's a huge block of Clinton supporters - and probably the ones most vocal about not voting for Obama in the general.

They are lying whores who will do anything to put a woman in the White House, and threatening the party is just another arrow they've shot at Obama.

It would serve them right if McCain won, and Roe v Wade was overturned. But they won't take the chance of loosing that argument in the SC. If Obama is smart he won't be making any concessions to them either.

ObamaRama Rumbles On!

Gal Tuesday

"As I've said elsewhere, I think slicing and dicing Democratic voters in this way will be detrimental to the party's chances in November"

You seem to think this is something new. It is simple demographics. All candidates in both parties study voters from different demographics and it has been going on for at least fifty years in every election. Just because Clinto said something about her demographics, I don't see that any different than CNN mentioning her demographics--or Obamas. Even you do it--as shown:

"Hillary can't seem to get the black vote, the younger generation vote or the college educated vote."

No democrat will vote for McCain. Hillary said nothing about any anti Obama vote. She talked about her strengths in the electorate.

Any democrat who would vote for McCain just because either Hillary or Obama didn't get the nomination was never a democrat, and most likely voted for Bush in a previous election.

Current polls show Obama losing Florida, Ohio and WVa. and the election in November, and Clinton winning those states and the election in November.

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6 month ago, the polls showed Clinton spanking Obama too.

A lot can happen in 6 months time.

No democrat will vote for McCain. Hillary said nothing about any anti Obama vote. She talked about her strengths in the electorate.

Any democrat who would vote for McCain just because either Hillary or Obama didn't get the nomination was never a democrat, and most likely voted for Bush in a previous election.

Isn't that just what Clinton is saying? That certain dems won't vote for Obama or will sit home in November unless she is the nominee? What about all the exit polls showing high numbers of dems won't vote for any nominee but the one they are supporting? Her comments seem to be reinforcing the belief that she should be the nominee because a number of her hardworking white supporters will vote for McCain or not vote at all if she isn't. She needs to make clear that she doesn't want them to do that, that it wouldn't be good for the party or the country. Instead she uses these potential anti-Obama voters, whose dislike of Obama she is cultivating, as justification for her being the nominee. Her strategy may not be new, but some politicians, like John Edwards, see the harm employing such a tactic can cause in November.

"Isn't that just what Clinton is saying?"

No

"That certain dems won't vote for Obama or will sit home in November unless she is the nominee?"

That is not what I said. Not even close. I said NO DEM will vote for McCain.

"What about all the exit polls showing high numbers of dems won't vote for any nominee but the one they are supporting?"

Link?

"Her comments seem to be reinforcing the belief that she should be the nominee because a number of her hardworking white supporters will vote for McCain or not vote at all if she isn't"

The polls support that scenario. Clinton picks up a lot of republican and independant votes that Obama wouldn't get--but neither she nor Obama would lose any democrat votes.


"She needs to make clear that she doesn't want them to do that, that it wouldn't be good for the party or the country."

I think the people already know that. The only voters that will be affected would be republican votes and independant votes. No democrat will vote for McCain. The few people who said they would vote for McCain are most likely republicans voting in a democratic primary.

"Instead she uses these potential anti-Obama voters, whose dislike of Obama she is cultivating, as justification for her being the nominee."

The only people who dislike Obama are republicans. All democrats would be happy with either Obama or Clinton. There is not much difference in their platforms except that Hillary wants all Americans to have UHC, and Obamas plan only covers children.

"Her strategy may not be new, but some politicians, like John Edwards, see the harm employing such a tactic can cause in November."

I see the harm in John Edwards dropping out. I think he was a better candidate than either Clinton or Obama, and that Kucunich was the best of the field. However just because neither of them is going to be President, that doesn't mean I'll throw a hissy fit and vote for McCain. I think most voters are too mature for such poor logic. This long decision making process will not affect one democrat voter. All democrats will vote for which ever candidate wins the nomination.

Hillary won't leave the race until she gets whatever she is staying around for--if it's the VP offer (so much for the change candidate if Obama gives it) or help in raising money to pay her bills.

If he does offer the VP to Hillary he will have Bill running around and looking over his shoulder.

Obama may as well get a taste tester.

They are expecting her to take WV and KY 70% or more.

Fox is reporting that the SD are tied.

Murphy

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Buffalo Bob wrote,

"No democrat will vote for McCain."

I beg to differ. JOhn Kerry will probably vote for McCain. He though so much of him he begged him to be his running mate.

Bee Swell

If Obammy is such a hot commodity then why does Hillary still have 50% of the superdelegates? Why have they not all defected and drove her out of the race?

Because they know what you and everyone with a clear mind knows. Barrack is young, inexperienced, naive, and has a questionable background of close association with weirdo radicals like Farrakhan and Ayres.

The republicans are going to hand these associates around Obamas neck like a millstone. Everywhere he goes we gonna make sure we scare the white people with visions of Farrakhan in the oval office.

Bee Swell

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re: "Everywhere he goes we gonna make sure we scare the white people with visions of Farrakhan in the oval office."

Thanks again for being ingenuous, again.

However just because neither of them is going to be President, that doesn't mean I'll throw a hissy fit and vote for McCain. I think most voters are too mature for such poor logic.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-10 01:35 PM

We got George W for 8 years, so how mature are the voters? People, in general, are fucking idiots.

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Posted by DoubtingThomas at 2008-05-10 02:06 PM | Reply

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An Operation Chaos T-shirt,
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Enjoy!

And the ANTWATS of the world can only snivel and cry! LOL...LOL...LOL

And the ANTWATS of the world can only snivel and cry! LOL...LOL...LOL

Posted by DoubtingThomas at 2008-05-10 02:46 PM | Reply

Actually that wasn't snivelling or crying .... it was making fun of you for following so lemming-like behind a fat, draft-dodging, thrice-divorced, drug-addicted, college drop out loudmouth.

I'm not even a Democrat.

But, you go on with your bad self.

"A box of X-tra small condoms."

FF for Anton.

"But, you go on with your bad self."

times 2

Everywhere he goes we gonna make sure we scare the white people with visions of Farrakhan in the oval office.

Might work. Everyone knows that white people are the biggest pussies on the planet.

Rush Limbaugh was on welfare.

Everywhere he goes we gonna make sure we scare the white people with visions of Farrakhan in the oval office.

Might work. Everyone knows that white people are the biggest pussies on the planet.

Posted by ness_gadol

oh really? is that why the white guy is so feared and hated around the world. I thought it would be the opposite.

It seems all news organizations except CNN (Clinton News Network) are reporting Barak Obama has overtaken Hillary Clinton in pledged delegates.
I see that CNN is not reporting the 4 that have defected to Obama in the last two days in Clintons total. It seems hard for Lou Dobbs to accept the fact that Barck Obama is on the edge of being named the winner no matter what happens in West Virgina and Kentucky. CNN seems to want to keep this thing going to attract ratings as they have fallen to the FOX News Network.

Super Delegates do not count!!! I've been trying to tell you people this.

**Corky (posting under the pen name Buffalo Bob)

I hope every single super votes for Obama. Divide the party even more, and then get worse destroyed November.

No chance.

Kuma

Until Tuesday.