So is the Dem party divided from now on?

You mean that there is bigotry and tribalism in the Democrat party?
Who would have thought.
I thought they were open-minded and tolerant.

Not the sort of people that ape-shit if their point of view was challenged.

I am sure there is some mistake.

Who cares if they are divided in the primary? As soon as Obama is chosen they will band together in a lovefest, with the common enemy being McCane. All this crap about division is just that - crap.

Joe you are absolutely right, I was going to answer my own question with this:

Primary results are a very, very bad predictor of general election results.

White people in America get extremely offened you call them racist, bigots or prejudice. They all belive that that part of life is behind them.

If you ask a black person why he did not get a promotion over the white person that did, they would easily claim racism. Blacks know that racism still exist becuase we live through it everyday. White people cant see it becuase they don't have our eyes.

Then you look at what's happening in the dem battle for POTUS. Obama is doing everything he can to bridge the race gap. But then the Clintons come out and say whites wont vote for Obama.

Note to white people-The more things change, the more things stay the same. America is a down right mean country. This is not a general statement, but you know who you are but just p[efer to stay hidden.

Prediction. No matter who wins, we lose.

Yeah! The KKKlintons are showing their true kkkolors, they sure as heck wanna obliterate the party and they want the nomination based on endulging the whims of racist white dems. Keep takings blacks for granted and see what happens to your party.

"If you ask a black person why he did not get a promotion over the white person that did, they would easily claim racism. Blacks know that racism still exist becuase we live through it everyday. White people cant see it becuase they don't have our eyes."

And if the Dems give the nomination to a less-qualified white person, KKKlinton, it will probe to black that they are right. It will confirm what they think it true.

Note to white people-The more things change, the more things stay the same. America is a down right mean country. This is not a general statement, but you know who you are but just p[efer to stay hidden.

Posted by UpsetCitizen at 2008-05-08 03:09 PM


Save your BS for someone who might choke it down. 3 times in my life I was passed up for advancement in favor of affirmative action. None of the times were the benefactors more experienced or able, but rather just black and or female.

Oh, by the way, In case you haven't guessed. I'm a white male. The most discriminated against person in the United States.

Well, the Carnival called the Democratic Party may be divided in terms of their individual miscreant groups, but they are all united in one glittering way...They all suck up to, and celebrate, debauchery!

I wonder if UC even realizes that there are blacks out there who are more racist than anyone. My guess is his need to feel like a victim precludes him from being able to notice.

I always thought the libs were color blind and had no sex. Was I ever wrong.

-Kris

I'm sorry that you were discriminated against. Many whites in America have been. I've been hit on by gay men but dont go around hating the ones that say nothing to me.

You will find cases where it is unfair on both sides, but if you look at the numbers, far more white men have gotten that promotion than the few that haven't becuase of affirmative actions. My violon goes out to you but but you are an exception

KKKorky has been race baiting for months now. This isn't new in this campaign.

Not true, Sniper. Libs see the world in full color, the women are gorgeous, and they bang like bunnies. Cons, on the other hand, appear to have problems discering anything that isn't black or white, the women are frosty, and the sex sucks.

I wonder if UC even realizes that there are blacks out there who are more racist than anyone.


Kip: Napoleon, like anyone can even know that.

Either cock starvis' post was a joke, in which case it wasn't funny, or he is a moron for misunderstanding sniper's post so badly. Either way, I'm sorry I read it.

The GOPpers have their own split-old white men who love reagan and old white men who love reagan more.

And Sniper, as for you being wrong about the Dems, you are wrong about everything else, so why the surprise?

Tax, I walked past a karate place the other day and the only thing I could think about was "my 8 week program" and "the other arm - my other arm."

Again,Alt. Lifestyle Joe with the "cock" reference.

That would be your 3:45 post, punkin

ShitsMe is on the prowl today, getting excited about cock references. Is there anything more gay than using the term "punkin?"

Taxman is giving Sally an "FF" which probaly means "Fluff Flag".

"the other arm - my other arm."
--JOE

Having been in karate in my younger years, I can say that the demonstration in that movie was actually fairly accurate.

Yes there is Alt. Joe.

The word "cock", which you constantly refer to.

ShitsMe, the "fluff flag" thing was pretty funny, but you're lying about the rest, and you're still gay for saying "punkin." End of story.

Don't focus on what divides you, focus on what brings you together...

For example, every one of you Democrats LOOOOOOOOOOOVES getting drilled in the ass...

So chin up (and asshole spread)...

I would love to see the super delegates give it Clinton because she is more electable. Black MF's would be marching in the street and throwing their usual fit. I would go out and laugh at them as they marched by.

"I would go out and laugh at them as they marched by."

Sure you would.

Democrats are all about race, gender and class. No story here, time to move on.

Blacks know that racism still exist becuase we live through it everyday. White people cant see it becuase they don't have our eyes.

Posted by UpsetCitizen at 2008-05-08 03:09 PM | Reply

Ahh, the perfect defense for a ridiculous statement.

"You don't believe in ghosts because you can't see them. But I have magic eyes!"

It's true that if you look for racism, you'll find it. That lady at the grocery store cut you off because you're black (not because she was distracted and dealing with a 3-year-old).

The convenience store charges you more than Wal-Mart for a Coke because you're black -- not because their cost structure is different.

Get over yourself. Most people don't care if you're black. You wanna see some racism? How about 90% of black voters picking the black candidate?

wow, I'm an elitist. Who knew? I like Obama, I'm not young or black, so I must be an elitist. Nowadays in Clinto-speak, that means someone that can read and write and someone that doesn't do manual labor for a living and is not black.

Don't you folks see through your own harbored predudices and fears (yes that goes for you whites and you blacks). The only way to divide and conquer is to divide first. And you guys are all-day suckers for falling for it. I notice RCADE is always putting things like this up, so we know where he stands.

If this country would only pull together for one season, we could end all the government corruption and return this country back to where it belongs, in the hands of the people and under the protection of the constitution (which is not just a god damned piece of paper as Bush has said).

We now have a tool to bypass the corporate media.

"Dems divide by race, gender, class."?

GOPhers are the most racist, sexist and class-concious Party of the two easily.

Not even a contest there.

America is supposed to be a "classless society" and in many respects the GOPhers are that but only if you understand that Spud don't mean the good definition of "classless" there.

^_^

The Political Class is, by and large, the rich and the very rich and they get their agendas from even richer folks than themselves.

This is true of both parties.

Now, let's start looking a little bit closer at THAT divide and spend a lot less time wrapping half the nation's fingers around the other half's throats and vice versa.

That's wot the powers-that-be want and they don't just hope for it to happen.

They actively encourage it at every turn.

When you know wot to look for their game becomes increasingly obvious.

Spud knows wot to look for.

Is all them spuddish eyes, you see.

Or do you?

Be Well.

"Posted by JOE at 2008-05-08 03:45 PM | Reply |"

I can't relate to your problems, Joe, but I do apologize for cutting so close to home. Lighten up. Judging by your posts today you're concerned about gas and I can see where that might affect your social life.

If you ask a black person why he did not get a promotion over the white person that did, they would easily claim racism. Blacks know that racism still exist becuase we live through it everyday. White people cant see it becuase they don't have our eyes.

Posted by UpsetCitizen at 2008-05-08 03:09 PM

Get over yourself. Most people don't care if you're black. You wanna see some racism? How about 90% of black voters picking the black candidate?

Posted by vernon at 2008-05-08 04:46 PM

"Dems divide by race, gender, class."

Rethugs unite by using racism, sexism and class warfare.
The Dems generally unite at the convention and division becomes diversity.
The Rethugs generally unite at the convention and division becomes exploitable.

Righties can deny it but we ALL know there are 527s right now revving up their racist attack ads.

Cock starvis, nothing you have ever said has ever cut close to home. I also don't drive so I don't give a shit about the price of gas one way or another. I know it's tough for you to be right about anything, so you might as well stop trying.

Righties can deny it but we ALL know there are 527s right now revving up their racist attack ads.

Oh, we're counting on it, toots. Assuming, of course, both candidates aren't killed in the race riots in Denver in August. I'd frankly settle for that over the funny ads.

I'm white but I can attest, racism is alive and well in Fort Lauderdale. I've witnessed it (and did nothing I'm ashamed to say). I've worked for racists. I've worked with racists. Some are actually still quite blatant about it. I do not presently work for a racist and the company I work for will not tolerate it at all. Very decent and fair work place and that's why I've stayed for ten years now.

Rob do you hang out in "Mid-town village" AKA the Gayborhood? Just wondering cause on nearly every single thread you comment on you always say some homosexual shit. It's like you're obsessed with cock and man ass. To quote Sienfeld, "Not that theres anything wrong with that"....if that's what you're into.

I've heard things said about black people, that would curl your hair.

Ha! The irony... too much. FF, Roy_Batty. FF.

"Oh, we're counting on it, toots."

Oh I bet you are. John McBush will pretend to object to them, he'll pretend to take the high road but in the end he will take whatever help he can get to beat Obama. John McBush will destroy his own reputation during this campaign and hopefully lose the election. America will see him very differently afterwards, no longer the maverick, no straight talk, just pure unadulterated ambition and willingness to do anything to win. I believe he will regret this phase of his life when he is a defeated candidate who sacrificed the respect of the nation for nothing.

Note to black people: There has never been more opportunity or assistance (affirmative action) for people of color in the history of the world, and it's happening right here in America. People are discriminated against, on a daily basis, for a number of reasons that don't even include skin color.

You are correct in saying that racism exists. I say it always will. If we can have a black man come this close to being our president, I would say that things have changed a great deal and it's time to quit playing the victim. And that's not a general statement. You know who you are.

See how that sounds, upsetcitizen?

"Save your BS for someone who might choke it down. 3 times in my life I was passed up for advancement in favor of affirmative action. None of the times were the benefactors more experienced or able, but rather just black and or female.

Oh, by the way, In case you haven't guessed. I'm a white male. The most discriminated against person in the United States.

Posted by Kris_P_Bacon at 2008-05-08 03:17 PM"

Ha ha ha. Judging by the level of intelligence you've demonstrated on this site, Kris, you aren't qualified to be promoted from cleaning the toilet to emptying the trash. Get over yourself already. Poor white man, so downtrodden. What a fucking joke.

Nope, no discrimination here: In May 1991, Chevron settled a class action discrimination suit filed by black and Latino oil workers for $1.5 million. Chevron did not admit to having discriminated against the workers, leading more than half of the class to object to the settlement.

""Save your BS for someone who might choke it down. 3 times in my life I was passed up for advancement in favor of affirmative action. None of the times were the benefactors more experienced or able, but rather just black and or female."

It is too bad and unfair but hardly makes up for the MILLIONS of times it happened to black people and to women.

It is too bad and unfair but hardly makes up for the MILLIONS of times it happened to black people and to women.


So, 2 wrongs make a right?

"MILLIONS of times..."


"So, 2 wrongs make a right?

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-05-08 05:57 PM"

Sorry, JeffJ, you obviously got passed up for your inability to do math, not because you're white.

There's no dem division allowed. You must "unify" under Obama, no questions/dissent allowed. it's unpatriotic to question his authority...

Way to avoid the question, Monte.

"So, 2 wrongs make a right?"

Who said it was wrong to have affirmative action, not me. I supported it back when I felt it was necessary though we are probably out of that era today. It was very necessary though to bring black people into professions, business, government, etc. and it would have taken generations without affirmative action. Hey, I'm white, I have a white son who has been effected by affirmative action negatively but that still won't shake my belief that there was a time, not long ago, when it was very necessary.

"Way to avoid the question, Monte.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-05-08 06:11 PM"

Thank you, my brutha. How's the bread smell today?

2 Wongs can make it WHITE however.

Larry Mohr

"Who cares if they are divided in the primary? As soon as Obama is chosen they will band together in a lovefest, with the common enemy being McCane. All this crap about division is just that - crap."

There are people on both sides claiming they won't vote for the other already. I think Hillary is staying in the race to try to prolong the hostilities. She wants Obama to lose so she can run against a 75 year old McCain in four years. Last thing she wants is for Obama to win.

The NYFD had to dumb down the fireman's test so black men could pass it. Of course the test was racially biased which is code word for dumb motherfuckers

Pull together my ass. Yea like the teamsters will vote for Obama LOL

"The NYFD had to dumb down the fireman's test so black men could pass it."

Yeah? Well I bet some of those guys died on 9-11 too. So the fuck what if they lowered the standards to help disadvantaged minorities, the white majority had ALL the jobs for way too long. Americans like you seem to think that the effects of discrimination stopped the day schools were integrated. TIMBCI must be suffering from the misconception that if only the blacks could have been held down a little longer he might have had a chance to be successful but with all that competition from them he has an excuse for his miserable life.

Danni. You are a moron. They dumbed down the NYFD test last year. The NYFD is mostly Irish. It always has. I fail too see how these minorities are disadvantaged. They are both products of the same NYC school system. You see the NYFD and NYPD actually have to actively recruit to get minorities to even take the test. They had to dumb down the test so the few thay are interested could pass.They would rather get cushy jobs with the MTA driving a bus. The only discrimination in America is the gov't against white people.

As for myself Danni you really shouldn't comment about my life. YOu don't know me. Maybe you served my coffee once or shined my shoes but you don't know me.

I don't look at blacks as competition. I see them as a race riding the gravy train. Free housing, civil service jobs, and free condoms in the high schools.

"There are people on both sides claiming they won't vote for the other already."

They are lying. They will fall into line like the sheep they are in about three months.

GOP is the most racists? Dethspud fuckhead?

Is that why the GOP was responsible for ending slavery, womens voting rights, and the civil rights bill of 1964 that way more GOP voted for verse democrats?

You mean that GOP?

Your a fuckehad

What about dick size? Tit size?

Sorry Kuma, but judging from people I've come across personally, if somebody's openly racist and also talks about politics, they're probably Republican. The GOP and Dems today are not the same as they were 140 years ago, let alone 30 years ago. There are definitely some closet racist Dems though. Shit's all over the place.

The Dems are divided, but the Republicans are totally sh_tf_cked. Who's gonna actually vote for "100 years of war" McCain?

Your a fuckehad

At least Spud can spell "fuckhead".

...and "you're" (although Spud admittedly prefers spelling that "yer" fer some strange reason)

Got the "a" part right though!

Spud likes to spell stuff.

Spud can fer example spell "race baiting"

Rethug code words like "state rights" meaning resistance to black advances used by Rotten Ronnie Reagan at the urging of Trent Lott in order to wean disaffected blue collar low info Dems away from their base and into Ronnie the Butchers blood-soaked hands.

The Party of Lincoln did indeed free the slaves but that was before before it became the party of entrenched racism that it is today.

Reagan the false saint also reversed a long standing ruling denying tax exempt status to private schools that held openly racist policies such as Bob Jones University (later over-ruled by the Supreme Court).

GOPher Geoff Davis saying about Obama that "that boy's fingers doesn't need to be on the button"

George Wallace standing in front of that school door.

This years crop of GOPher candidates refusing to take part in any Black or Hispanic debates.

Trent Lott saying how if more folk had voted fer segregationist shithead Strom Thurmond "we wouldn't have the problems we have today" basically saying that American attempts at seeking racial equality led directly to an unacceptable level of "uppitiness" amongst minorities.

The Segregationist Dems who crossed the line to become racist GOPhers, the so-called "dixie-crats" who even today factor in the GOPher's "Southern Strategy".

Jeb Bush adding innocent blacks onto his phoney "felony list" of folk who couldn't vote in Florida.

Momma Bush telling folks how the blacks affected by Hurricane Katrina were "better off".

Willie Horton ads. John McCain's push polled "black love-child"

Wy Rethug Senator Barbra Cubin essentially saying in the Senate that all blacks are drug addicts and thus shouldn't own guns and then being backed up by her fellow rethugs when the Dems demanded her words be censured and stricken.

R-tards like Rush Limpbaugh playing "Barack the Magic Negro" over and over again.

Face it asswipe, the GOP, fer at least the last fifty years, has been an elite club of wealthy white folks with a few token minorities who are willing to toe the racist/elitist/corporatist line. Folks like Alan Keyes and Michelle MalKKKin and Neo-Condi.

Got it now or does Spud hafta spell it out fer you again FUCKHEAD?

Be Well.

Wow TimBci. Wow.

I was justing thinking a few minutes ago:

Does anyone think that maybe some of Hillary Clinton's white supporters are now pissed off at her for her insinuation that they are racists and would therefore not vote for Obama? I know that if my candidate threw me under the bus like that I would be disapointed.

They are lying. They will fall into line like the sheep they are in about three months.

same as the "conservatives" and talibaptists who say they won't vote for McBush. Expect to see both Limburger and Dobson sucking Johnnyboy's dick right after the convention.

The Democratic Party is a loose conglomeration of groups that breakdown mainly along racial and class lines. It was inevitable that a white woman candidate vs. a black candidate would expose this obvious truth. The biggest problem I see for the Democratic Party is not such divisions, but rather the lack of a strong moderate center. The radicalization of the party is unfortunate for it will keep the party weak and vulnerable for the foreseeable future. Only a more diverse and inclusive party can remain competitive politically. The gains made and being made, in terms of seats held locally and nationally, will be for naught if the party does not restore what it has lost over since the mid 90's.

The radicalization of the party is unfortunate for it will keep the party weak and vulnerable for the foreseeable future.

As an American, I fail to see how that is "unfortunate" in any way.

The ideology that sustains the Democrat party is a cancer upon the United States, and Western Civilization in general.

But good post, nonetheless.

Yes, it's horrible the way democrats alone have run the debt to 9 trillion or so.

Bastards.

well what the hell did any of you expect?
this is the party that has primaries where each one gets a portion instead of winner take all so that they dont FEEL bad I would guess....and then the people also vote as well as gather on each side of a room and count each other...democracy right??? OOPS NOT WITH THIS BUNCH.....
even after all that......a bunch of eliteist, money hungry, back room dealing people THEN can change ALL OF THAT with super votes..........and thats democracy? I dont think so.

Pull together my ass. Yea like the teamsters will vote for Obama LOL

Posted by timbci

75 year old (white) retired Teamster and his wife, who live next door to where I grew up in the Michigan suburbs, are staunch Obama supporters, as are all his cohorts at the union hall.

Me thinks you know not of what you speak

Union members will not be voting GOP but for a handful. Most loathe the GOP for it's union busting activities.

"So is the Dem party divided from now on?"

YES. It's an elite old boys club.

YES. It's an elite old boys club.

FF.

"The radicalization of the party is unfortunate for it will keep the party weak and vulnerable for the foreseeable future."

Hilarious. So many stupid right wing nuts so little time. Sometimes righties make valid points, that post was not one of those times. Ridiculous and not even vaguely connected to reality.

Yes, the SD's will break the democratic party apart for a long time to come.

Just look at those SD representatives in Washington state and who they have pledge and the democratic party is surely going to be in trouble.

The democrat party vote for congress will never ever get my vote again, and may cross over soon after today.

American Unity. My father is a 70 year old retired teamster and he loathes liberal Democrats. The last Democrat Presidential Candidate he voted for was Carter and he regrets it. Union members do not like liberals and their anti-american rants. It actually disgusts them. In addition, they hate the Dems because of NAFTA and affirmative action.

The Dems will lose a lot of white union members when they run Osama Obama. Me thinks I know what I am talking about.

"The Dems will lose a lot of white union members when they run Osama Obama."

You sound like Hillary's speechwriter.

Yahoos everywhere, listen up: Racism isn't hidden in America; it's ramapant.

Doc sorry if you can't accept it but the Dems are nominating a guy that the muslim world refers to as a Muslim American. His father is a Muslim that makes him a muslim in eyes of the muslim world.

I would not have a problem with Hillary as President although she has an annoying voice.

The majority of racists that I know are black so yea racism is alive in America

The Dems will lose a lot of white union members when they run Osama Obama. Me thinks I know what I am talking about.

Sure you do.

The International Brotherhood of Teamsters, officially endorsed Sen. Barack Obama for president Wednesday.


The 1.4-million Teamsters union endorsed Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday.

CNN's Wolf Blitzer spoke exclusively with Teamsters president Jim Hoffa on Wednesday.

"We came to the conclusion that Barack Obama gives us the opportunity to rebuild America and win in November," Hoffa said.

"This endorsement is an important endorsement for him. He's excited about what it means to him in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas ... it's going to be important to all of labor and the American people," he added.

The endorsement decision follows a meeting in Austin, Texas, between Hoffa and Obama, and completes a months-long process that included scientific polling of Teamster members, surveys of local union and joint council leaders and deliberations by the union's democratically elected General Executive Board, according to the union's press release.

When asked about criticisms over Obama's inexperience, Hoffa said the union looks at the Illinois senator "as a person who can lead and surround himself with the very best people."

And as for why the union didn't endorse Sen. Hillary Clinton.

"This is not about the Clintons, this is about Obama and the momentum he has that I think everybody detects out there that we really have a phenomenon of him having the opportunity to win in November and to basically remake America and speaking out on issues that resonate with our members," Hoffa said.

Hoffa said the union, which has a history of supporting both Democratic and Republican candidates, chose not to support Sen. John McCain because he is "lock-step with the Bush administration. ... I think America has had enough of that and that's why we can't support McCain."

"ramapant"

What happens when you don't pull her pantyhose off first.

"The majority of racists that I know are black so yea racism is alive in America
Posted by timbci"

Those are probably just the ones who are some of your best friends.

Dethspud,

Even though I would rather pluck my eyes out with an ice-pick than to stiffle your conversation, you are wrong about this.

The most overt racism I have ever seen is in the northern part of the U.S. in the supposedly Blue States, Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania and Ohio. I know it doens't seem that way from the media, but it's true.

I am from Alabama and the population is somewhere around 30% black, give or take. That means the chances that I will see, marry, fuck, do business with, live next door to, have a family member married to blacks is 3/10. Now how can I live a life of Shibumi if I hate 30% of everybody I come across every day, including possible family members?

Racism flourishes more where there is not much contact between the races, such as the north and yes, my friend, Canada.

Danni, I lost a position that I really needed to have at that point in my life. I lost it after I already had it, to a mexican. The only reason is because I wasn't mexican and the nights I was to work were a mexican themed party.

This was some time ago, back when I bartended, and it really ate me up inside. I mean, I really needed the income from that particular night, I re-interviewed for the position (I had already been with the company for a couple years), and I had elevated myself to supervising parties, etc. I was a perfect fit for the job and they knew it so I got it. For about 2 weeks anyway and then was replaced by a mexican guy.

I'll never forget it and how unfair it was.

Obama's father wasn't Muslim.

Obama is doing everything he can to bridge the race gap. But then the Clintons come out and say whites wont vote for Obama.

no the voting patterns that cnn detailed say whites wont vote for obama, democrat whites, so why is there all of this talk about repubs being racists when we are seeing how working class whites wont vote for obama. so at least half the dem party is racist then. i wonder about the dems that didnt vote in the primaries, which way will there vote go?

so if 50 mil repubs wont vote for obama and 25 of the 50 mil dems wont vote for obama that must mean mcdem will win easily unless the sheeple of the demo-half-racist party dont fall in line?

Note to white people-The more things change, the more things stay the same. America is a down right mean country. This is not a general statement, but you know who you are but just p[efer to stay hidden.

Posted by UpsetCitizen

oh really world traveler..

want a mean country? go to the SUDAN or NIGER..there they will either 1- KILL you or 2- ENSLAVE you.. aint no white people involved..

continually harping on how bad you got it due to whitey dont make it so...

Note to black america..

IF Obama gets elected we eliminate affirmative action.

If you can be president you can be anything.

I look at the comments from the so called enlightened dems here and wonder do you have frequent nose bleeds up on the self righteous mountain you pontificate? Does it make you feel "superior" to talk down to the people that challenge your belief? I guess small people and fragile egos need anything they can cling to make them feel smug about themselves..

"o the fuck what if they lowered the standards to help disadvantaged minorities"


So in a situation where and intelligence on the part of the firefighter or office may be the deciding factor in whether you live or die you'd be just as happy with them sending the the officer/firefighter who got the job because they lowered the standards or the officer/firefighter who was able to pass the tougher tests on their merits?

just curious


if you ever need surgery do you want the doc that got into law school based on high grades or the one that wouldn't have been excepted based on grades but got in due to a quota.


I know which ones I want.

if you ever need surgery do you want the doc that got into law school based on high grades or the one that wouldn't have been excepted based on grades but got in due to a quota.

I know which ones I want.

Posted by kwrx25

Hopefully you would want the doc that graduated from medical school.

hahaha, ooops

yes, thanks...minor error there, you obviously were able to see to what I meant though.

you obviously were able to see to what I meant though.

Posted by kwrx25

Actually, I'd be more concerned with how they did once they got into school rather than what their scores were that got them in.

There isn't a correlation between graduation rank and rank on matriculation.

absolutely agree...

I'll offer that on the whole, there aren't too many people squeaking by the entrance criteria and turning around to graduate tops.

There's probably the exceptions to that rule out there though, but not in the numbers that would put the example at too much risk.

I'll offer that on the whole, there aren't too many people squeaking by the entrance criteria and turning around to graduate tops.

Posted by kwrx25

Maybe not, but at the same time you should allow that the ones that graduate bottom of their class probably won't be mostly from the bottom of the entering class.

When I go to the hospital I will only see an Asian doctor. White doctors are greedy pigs and black doctors are inferior due to affirmative action. Asian doctors are the best even though they are horrible drivers.


Jimmy Hoffa is the son of a criminal and I would sooner listen to My friend "the Fedex delivery guy who recommended I get a colonic to clense my insides" than listen to a union leader that wearrs Armani suits bought with union dues

Hagbard,

I should? I don't know that...

I'd be interested to see how that plays out in reality, I wonder if those numbers are available

"My father ... loathes liberal Democrats... Me thinks I know what I am talking about."

Me don't, Timmy. Me thinks you inherited your idiocy through a flawed recessive gene. I hope you didn't pass it on to another generation. herm

Obama's papa played the race card. I wonder if it's in the genes? He took off and didn't contribute to Obama's support. Ecce homo. What a man.

Obama's mama played the single mother card. She applied for welfare and collected food stamps despite the fact that his grandma was raising him. The welfare using mama must have been eating "mighty high on the hog" with food stamps for two feeding one.

You can understand Obama's empathy and identification with the abandoned child and the welfare crowd. He wants the government in loco parentis to replace the parents that he did not have. I wonder if this background warped him.

Clinton is running on a divide and conquer strategy. Only problem is if you slice and dice the democratic party enough, you will end up with a divide and lose outcome.

Reading through this thread makes me wonder regarding the attitudes of some of the posters. One poster notes that the NYFD test was "dumbed down" to enable blacks to pass the test. Another claims that NOT dumbing down the test would be racist and discriminatory.

Is this a concession to the idea that blacks cannot because of innate limitations, participate in this society without special accommodation being made?

The position of the so-called anti-prejudice proponent is the more racist. But she seems to be unaware of the inherent racism in her position. Her perspective is that blacks being restrained by limited abilities, should be enabled to participate in societal activities by changing the structure of society to enable their involvement.

I agree with her that the consequences of excluding such a large group of people by preventing subpar people from operating as full-fledged members of the society would have consequences that would compromise the society.

The problem is how the actions taken to enable the subgroup to participate, compromise efficiency. A certain amount of inefficiency in certain sectors can be absorbed. But there comes a point where the system will crash, or at best become dysfunctional, if the standards are lowered beyond a certain but yet to be established, base point.

To address particulars, what are the operational effects of "dumbing down" the NYFD test? Were the factors being tested relevant to the ability of the candidate to function in the role for which he was being tested? Since often if not invariably, promotions to higher ranks are made from those who obtain entry level employment, would the creation of a less qualified pool from which to draw people for higher level jobs compromise the functioning of the NYFD?

Does the premise that failure to promote those from a pool of lesser qualified candidates in the proportion of their numbers in the general population, result in the mandated promotion of less qualified candidates? Does this waiver in practice of more stringent standards for entry level hiring redound throughout the entire structure of the department with mandated racially based promotions required by law?

What deleterious effect do such practices have on those denied promotions because of race-based factors? One department did not promote whites for several years, limiting promotions to "lesser qualified" blacks to secure "racial balance." Is racial balance a "value" that is of more importance than competency and ability of the department to function at the highest level attainable?

Just a note. Some years ago, I was at a retreat with some mebers of the UCLA faculty. A chemistry professor and I went for a stroll through the woods. AA was a hot topic at the time. He advised me that the practices could not affect the university because there, decisions needed to be made on competentcy. Boy, did events prove him wrong. As an aside, his elitism supposed that there was no hierarchy of skills among lesser breeds. He seemingly was not aware of the affect on work product of the differences in skills of a plumber, or electrician, for example. First they came for the ...

"First they came for the ..."

Oops, too late.

"Clinton is running on a divide and conquer strategy."

What a crock.

What a crock.

Wow! Now I'm convinced.

The story forgot ethnicity as another great divide.

Will there be peace in the valley again?

Or will there be strife in the Los Angeles Basin between blacks and Hispanics?

L.A. goes about things in a big way. Here's a fight in a high school in South Los Angeles involving blacks and Hispanics. It was just a small clash involving some 600 people.

I wonder what the learning environment is like at that school.

Deference to an idea that places value on integration regardless of circumstances in places such as schools and prisons, certainly stirs up conflict rather than creating an edenic environment on the theory that to know each other is to love each other. Would these students be better served in segregated schools where they were not parties to daily conflict with attendant stress? Wash my mouth out with soap, dip my fingers in lye, for thinking such a thought. Are our social programs misbegotten vehicles that create more harm than good?

I'm somewhat baffled here. There is a "bad scene" without white people being responsible? Can't be. How did Bush, the bete noir, engineer this fiasco? It must be Cheney, the eminence gris, who did it. Otherwise all would be peace and light in the valley, er Basin.

Posted by scooter28054 at 2008-05-09 12:09 PM

Obama is doing everything he can to bridge the race gap. But then the Clintons come out and say whites wont vote for Obama.

Oops. I was distracted. I forgot to post the article regarding the black - Hispanic fight at Locke High School in South Los Angeles.

May 9, 2008 11:51 pm US/Pacific

4 Arrested, School On Lockdown After 600 Fight

SOUTH LOS ANGELES Four people were arrested and a school went on lockdown after a fight between black and Hispanic students raged, according to authorities.

Police were sent to Locke High School shortly after 1 p.m. Friday afternoon.

The fight allegedly involved some 600 students.

Some minor injuries were also report. The extent of those injuries was not known but a fire department official said no one was transported to the hospital.

Police were sent to Locke High School, 325 E. 111th St., to quell a disturbance call said Susan Cox of the Los Angeles Unified School District.

It was also unclear if all the people arrested were students.

According to KCAL 9 News, the fight was allegedly between black and Hispanic students.

"Has the U.S. degenrated(sic) so, are we so decadent, that black gangbangers are our last line of defense against the invasion by Hispanics?"

Posted by Johnson

Apparently so.

And a funny flag.

Obama for President. He'll build a fence and staff the Border Patrol to keep out illegal aliens. He'll deport illegal aliens as disruptive of the public peace.

Let's also arm the black militias in the ghettos nationwide. We'll have the gangbangers from the black ghettos, citizens by birth, against the gangbangers from the Hispanic barrios, illegal aliens.

Black is black, and brown is brown, and never the two shall get along.

Has the U.S. degenrated(sic)

"Do I need to post it twenty times to insure I input it correctly in the future?"

No.
I'm just bored.

All this crap about division is just that - crap.

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I dont know joe....you may be right but I think that there are some pretty bad feelings right now but maybe the problem would be if hillary were to somehow win and then they would have a serious problem with thier old sure thing....the black vote...( which WHY they keep doing that for the party who HAS to keep them in chains to keep thier vote, so little has changed in the long run).....

but anyway....

good example of this was on cnn this past week.
paul begalya said that obama couldnt win with nothing else but the egghead and black vote.....
and its so clear to anyone.....with superdelegates and all of this race baiting.....the democrat party is looking less and less democratic all the time