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It has been a common practice of the car industry and its apologists to claim that requiring higher fuel economy standards and that meeting them would be too costly and would harm the already struggling US auto industry. Now we find out that auto makers could easily boost fuel economy by 6% using Existing technology and Existing Tooling already in place.

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Yes, but at a higher cost and lower reliability.

Does anyone really believe that the pinnacle of technology is effectively used right away?

"Yes, but at a higher cost and lower reliability"

YEAH!

Except the part that describes this existing transmission ---- as the transmission installed in current High Performance Applications!


"Does anyone really believe that the pinnacle of technology is effectively used right away"

YEAH!
Except the part that describes this existing transmission ---- as the transmission installed in current High Performance Applications!


The Real Question here is; Does Anyone Still Believe the Bush Cult Premise that it is going to "costs more" to be more efficient when the truth be told there is current technology available --- just not "used"!

You mean where it says this?

"They know how to do this, but of course a lot of these technologies have been used for higher performance, higher acceleration and making the vehicle fleet bigger."


Thats right the technologies have been used. The development for each application is the key. Each car with different weight and different engines require a different set of gears which can be a different transmission altogether, especially in front wheel drive applications.

Have you ever pulled apart an automatic tranny?
Not exactly child's play. If they prematurely put out a tranny they will have another 4R70W.

If they want that boost in economy let them move back to rear wheel drive and manual transmissions.

Have you ever pulled apart an automatic tranny?

If they want that boost in economy let them move back to rear wheel drive and manual transmissions.

YEAH!

In my Driveway Even!

But I like how you propose mitigating the cost of efficiency ----- by proposing a more costly way of manufacture!

See, Front Wheel Drive was Developed to Streamline Production and Cut manufacturing Costs!

Talk about duplicity in position(s)!

"See, Front Wheel Drive was Developed to Streamline Production and Cut manufacturing Costs!"

Yes, they drop in as one piece. I said nothing about the added cost. While the RWD power train is cheaper and more efficient it is slower to install on the factory line resulting in added cost. I however am willing to pay more for the performance of a RWD or RWD based AWD car.
I was addressing your 1:00 post, where you said it the "costs more" statement is bull. Funny, you agree that a RWD vehicle is more efficient yet more expensive to build which seem to be a complete reversal of your previous statement. So which is it?

I was addressing your 1:00 post, where you said it the "costs more" statement is bull. Funny, you agree that a RWD vehicle is more efficient yet more expensive to build which seem to be a complete reversal of your previous statement. So which is it?

YEAH!

Which is it? It's the one covered in this article about how an existing, on the shelf, front wheel drive six speed transmission that by simply installing it increases Fuel Mileage by 6% and how, simply in its existence, negates the entire notion that increasing fuel economy will hurt the auto industry!
In fact, it clearly illustrates how the auto industry is in collusion with the oil companies and how they together manipulate the American Public into spending more than is necessary (i.e. is by design Hurting YOU the consumer)!

From the link.
" Ford says it can boost fuel economy up to 6 percent by replacing its standard four-speed automatic transmission with a new six-speed model. Tom Libby, with J.D. Power, says the reason is simple."

Oh i'm sorry i must be using the outdated definition of new, the one that says it means, uh new. I have no problem with six speed transmissions, in fact i like the thing. They add performance and increase mileage. What i do have a problem with is the rushing of products to the market. That seems to be the case,pressure to increase mpg result in unproven parts. Like i said before look at the 4r70w, when they moved to an electronically controlled 4-speed OD tranny they ended up with clutch bands that were too narrow. To me a little less on the economy side is worth it compared to longevity of a transmission.

When the first CAFE standards (which we just improved on)were being proposed, a Ford VP went in front of Congress and said, with a straight face, Ford would only be able to build Pintos and the Maverick would be their big car.

Check out Drilling for Oil in Detroit or in the Motor City.

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