Let me guess: Republicans' fault.

Still Ghey, Lil' Joey?

What a great contributor you are to this site.

Why don't You bag on Your republicans Joe they had 6 fucking Year to do something about the Gasoline problem namely getting the fuck out of Iraq but would they hell no so You do not have any God damned right bitching to the Democrats on this. God Republicans Repulse Me.

Larry Mohr

"Republican's fault...."

Well, Bush is a Republican. And he did start a war that took a lot of oil production off the market.

So, if Iraq is an elective war (it was), then Bush also elected to raise our gas prices.

Yup. Pretty much just him.

Repulsicans, Larry?

I don't care about Republicans because they never said they'd do anything about gas prices. Democrats took over Congress because they told voters they'd do something about gas prices. I'm citing to a direct quote from 2006. I'm just wondering what happened to that initiative, or if any Democrats care about the fact that they were lied to.

Joe

Lieberman is the dem control of the Senate. The Dems control nothing.

STFU--you voted for Bush. You should apologize to people on the street and never vote again. Your words are meaningless, and your opinion means nothing. You should be embarassed to open your mouth, and should SERIOUSLY think about having your children sterilized.

You are bad for America--don't you get it?

I didn't vote for Bush. You should apologize for voting for either major party.

Sitdown I fucking love that one. You should trademark it if it hasn't been already. Kuddos.

Larry Mohr

Oh great Buffalo Bob regurgitates the SAME EXACT post. I always thought that was spamming.

Larry Mohr

Oh and since You have to repost the same exact post over and over Buffalo Bob doesn't that mean Your words are meaningless since You have to regurgitate them??

Larry Mohr

Bob's words are meaningless because they are based on a stupid and incorrect assumption. Just because someone doesn't like Democrats doesn't mean they voted for Bush. Bob can't get that through his thick skull, because his way of thinking doesn't go past the two-party mentality.

How much have gas prices gone up since Pelosi and the Dems took over Congress?

It doesn't mean anything--the political class can't really do anything to lower fuel prices--just curious.

Hey RIR concidering the Republicans would fillibuster any atempt to try and lower the price of gas through legislation renders Your statement moot. Of course when the Democrats were in the minority the Republicans pitched a hissy fit because the Democrats were not bringing bills up for an Up or Down vote. Now they are in the minority they are doing just that. Typical if You ask Me.

Larry Mohr

"What a great contributor you are to this site.

Posted by JOE"

Pot, kettle, douche.

As always, you live up to your name.

You do not have any God damned right bitching to the Democrats on this.

Larry, he's not bitching about the price of gas, he's bitching that Nancy Pelosi said that the Democrats had a plan to "bring down skyrocketing prices".

So, if Iraq is an elective war (it was), then Bush also elected to raise our gas prices.

As I said to Larry, Zed, the point of the article is not high gas prices, the point of the article is that Nancy Pelosi said 2 years and $40/bbl ago that the democrats had a plan to fix the high oil prices. If they didn't, they should not have said so.

But, how will they deflect to Bush if you tell them the real point of the article?

Hey RIR concidering the Republicans would fillibuster any atempt to try and lower the price of gas through legislation renders Your statement moot


oooh. The democrats are afraid of the big bad republicans and they might filibuster. oooooh. The bogey man roams the halls of congress. His name is Republican. ooooooh

I guess Nancy Pelosi should've thought of that before she made her promise.

Remind me to never vote for a party that is afraid they might get filibustered.

Hey RIR concidering the Republicans would fillibuster any atempt to try and lower the price of gas through legislation renders Your statement moot.
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LMAO. And just what kind of legislation would lower gas prices? And by the way, isn't that the kind of thing the Dems should try, even if they know the Republicans will filibuster? Better still, BECAUSE they think the Repubs would filibuster? How popular are high gas prices?

Think before posting.

I love threads like this. It shows how weak the lefties are on economics, but how they manage to portray themselves as victims of the wascally wepublicans, who bedevil them at every turn.

Pelosi lied to them about everything. But it's all still Bush's fault.

This is typical buffoonery coming out of Washington.

Our plan would empower the Federal Trade Commission to crack down on price gouging to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices,

It's always the speculators fault. If they install price controls that would cause shortages. Always has; always will.

increase production of alternative fuels,'

The one promise they kept made food more expensive.

and rescind the billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies, tax breaks, and royalty relief given to big oil and gas companies.

Wouldn't that make us more dependent on foreign oil? Don't worry. They're not going to cut off their benefactors.

The morons in Washington have been promising to reduce dependency on foreign oil since the 70s. Lesson: when they say they are going to do something, expect the opposite.

The bigger picture is there hasn't been a "good" choice for POTUS in decades.

Those in high positions of power/influence in the media who influence public opinion MUST be laughing their a$$e$ off at how ignorant Americans truly have become!

The media hypes an election as being a "choice" of candidates and the masses fall for it every time.

Is there REALLY a choice?
Really?

Americans should abandon the "sports mentality" bickering, and insist on a three (or more) party system, not a controlled one party system posing as a two party system.
Plutocracies aren't good for anyone but plutocrats.

Pelosi and Reid are what they are, and their actions (or inactions) have spoken louder than any of the words that have come out of their mouths.

I love threads like this. It shows how weak the lefties are on economics, but how they manage to portray themselves as victims of the wascally wepublicans, who bedevil them at every turn.

Pelosi lied to them about everything. But it's all still Bush's fault.

Posted by rightisright at 2008-05-06 08:45 PM

Congrats, RiR gets the Moment of Clarity Award(tm) for the day!

Keep up the good work and thanks for playing!

The bigger picture is there hasn't been a "good" choice for POTUS in decades.

The even bigger picture is that our society has now reached the point where it produces morons to unblinkingly believe that the POTUS "runs" the country and it's economy.

Like some big fucking episode of The West Wing, or something.

"Congrats, RiR gets the Moment of Clarity Award(tm) for the day!"

I would give RIR the Drudge Dumbshit Award(tm) today. Of course, he is in contention every day.

The morons in Washington have been promising to reduce dependency on foreign oil since the 70s. Lesson: when they say they are going to do something, expect the opposite.

Posted by Ray
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You sound cynical, Ray. Are you suggesting that sending the same people to Congress, year after year after year (lawyers, kids from rich families, former president's relatives, community organizers) hasn't resulted in the best solutions to our problems?

Oh. There's the cowardly RightisRight, who ran away on the other thread.

Oh, there's the sniping, off-topic troll, Null Set. Anything to say in particular or are you just here to nip at peoples' heels?

What is the dem plurality in the Senate--any of you morons want to excplain how the dems can control the senate when the difference is Lieberman?

The dems don't control the senate. They control committees, but the reps have the power to derail any dem progress, and they have done just that.

Larry Mohr wrote,

"Hey RIR concidering the Republicans would fillibuster any atempt to try and lower the price of gas through legislation renders Your statement moot."

Exactly what legislation could lower gas prices. Gas prices are based on the cost of oil(currently $123 a barrel) the cost of refining, state and federal taxes.

Larry, oil companies make about 8% profit on a gallon of gas. So exactly where and how will legislation lower the cost?

Bee Swell

I wonder if Barrack Obama was just pandering for votes in the Illinois senate or has he just seen the light on taxes. No self respecting democrat would be caught supporting tax relief!



"In Illinois in 2000, Sen. Obama voted for a six-month, five-percentage point break on the state's 6.25% gas sales tax. The reduction of the tax, which goes into a general revenue fund, passed on a 55-1 vote and included measures designed to ensure that the benefits of the tax break reached consumers. At one point, Sen. Obama jokingly asked on the Senate floor whether it would be possible to install placards on gas-station pumps telling motorists he had helped win temporary price relief."

"I originally voted for the suspension because I thought that it was extraordinary circumstances, given the huge hike in prices," he said at the time. Gas prices averaged $1.52 a gallon in March 2000."

Nothing like using someone's own words and actions to hang them.

Thats why we don't need no 2 year senator in the white house. There's no way to really know what they might do. At least we know the likes of Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, etc. and their real intentions.

But don't worry Barrack is hope and "real" change. Not just the kind of change Bill Clinton offered in 1992 but real change.

When will democrats ever learn. A good speach full of holes does not equal anything just a well polished politician getting over on the ignorant.

You can trick some of the people some of the time but the democrats every time.

Bee Swell

And then, after a study showed only 60% of that reduction went to the intended beneficiaries, and 40% into higher profits, he wised up. Isn't that what we want from our politicians, or will that be considered a flip-flop.

Of course, CPJ never felt the need to get the rest of the story. Typical.

And CPJ, remind us...what was/were your previous DR handle(s)?

But don't worry Barrack is hope and "real" change

Change I can believe in.

And hope I can change in.

I'm feeling faint.

Change I can hope in?

Danforth, 40% into higher profits?

What are you even talking about?

Are you making the assertion that oil companies raised their prices as a result of a tax suspension?

That would involve collusion. They wouldn't need a tax suspension to do that they could just raise their prices anytime and make more profit.

Please provide a link to your phony study.

Bee swell

"What are you even talking about?"

You should probably find out before you post.

"your phony study."

My study?!? Thanks for proving my point, dipshit.

All these dumb liberals. Never addressing the problem, just posting nonsense.

Hey liberals.

Pelosi said she had a plan, shes got the power. What she done?

Wait, I know what she and her liberal prick friends did:

They blocked drilling in USA
They blocked all new refineries
They killed the coal mining business
They blocked nuclear power plants

Don;t you fucking stupid liberals see the light? Its totally obvious.

Republicans have a better energy plan than the democrats. You don;t have to be a genius to see that.

If the Republicans got their way, we would not be in this mess today.

If you can't acknowledge the above, then lets meet up in the street and just get it the fuck on.

Kuma

Don't worry, Obama is gonna fix it.

/sure

Does anyone have a link to something that shows how much oil is being refined today compared to last year or the year before? I haven't been able to find one.

The governor of Wyoming endorsed Obama on the promise he wouldn't allow drilling there.

I don't care about Republicans because they never said they'd do anything about gas prices.

Really?

Mr. Bush was critical of Al Gore in the 2000 campaign for being part of "the administration that's been in charge" while the "price of gasoline has gone steadily upward." In December 1999, in the first Republican primary debate, Mr. Bush said President Clinton "must jawbone OPEC members to lower prices."

'I would use the capital my administration will earn with the Kuwaitis or the Saudis, to convince them to open up the spigot,' Bush said. 'That's where we will get immediate relief.'" [Houston Chronicle, 6/28/00]

If the Republicans got their way, we would not be in this mess today.


What part of six years of unopposed power do you not understand?

Are you this big of a retard in real life?

726 unopposed power. YOu are too funny. Tell me what year the Republicans had more than the 60 seats in the Senate

726, at most, your post proves that both Democrats and Republicans are liars and failures. Is that your only point?

What's pathetic is that we even have to import refined oil (gasoline). Years ago we could refine all of our own gas, now our demand is more than our old refineries can produce - also more cost to us.

Hope the Dems can 'legislate' us more capacity - lol

The strange thing about this thread is everyone is right. Is there anything in Constitution about scrapping the whole system, and starting over from scratch?

"Is there anything in Constitution about scrapping the whole system, and starting over from scratch?"

Yes. It's called voting.

I have a deeper cleansing in mind Joe. I am talking about total disolusion of the current government.

Won't happen but it is a nice thought

'S ok. Still waiting for "Mission Accomplished".

726, at most, your post proves that both Democrats and Republicans are liars and failures. Is that your only point?

Posted by JOE


Yep. They are all, ALL fuckbags. That and to point out Kuma is a retard.

Meanwhile, the Rich Oil Executives (who have now made more money ever in the History of making money on OIL) are laughing all the way to the bank.

But, of course, only HISTORY, will be the judge of that!

Who are we to say?

We are just the little people...

Years ago we could refine all of our own gas, now our demand is more than our old refineries can produce - also more cost to us.


Hope the Dems can 'legislate' us more capacity - lol

Posted by MSgt


Well Lil Bush did open up the closed military bases to the oil companies to build refineries on with no enviromental regulations. How many of the companies have taken Lil Bush up on that offer?

The lack of refinery construction is a cost/benefit analysis. If you can not build a refinery that will be useless in the next 50 years for a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars while at the same time earn more because supply is low sounds like good business sense.

hey fuckhead 726.

You hit your head, or is your mom's DNA that shitty and you were born stupid.

To implement Republican anything, you have to have a % of democrats go along with it.

Do you get that? Democrats have blocked every single effort the republicans have tried.

Damn your stupid. Blame it on your mother, sounds like it runs in your family.

Kuma

You won't see any action from Dems until they attain a super majority........then watch and learn.

Meanwhile, the Rich Oil Executives (who have now made more money ever in the History of making money on OIL) are laughing all the way to the bank.

But, of course, only HISTORY, will be the judge of that!

Who are we to say?

We are just the little people...

Posted by donnerboy
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I thought there were no classes. That they're just an illusion.
You've come a long way in 24 hours, DB.

The dems don't control the senate. They control committees, but the reps have the power to derail any dem progress, and they have done just that.

You can't help but to love it. Republicans are responsible for the evils of the world when they controlled congress and they are still responsible when they are the minority party.

As the old saying goes: You can't make this shit up.

As the old saying goes: You can't make this shit up.

That's for sure.

Danforth has been trying to say this exact thing and it makes me laugh.

Apparently no good bills could possibly make it until only the democrats have a major majority.

The democratic party is nothing but an excuse making do nothing party being afraid of their own damn skin and whine and blame others for their eneptness.

To bad the republicans don't have someone at least with a little intellectual common sense brightness running because the democrats would lose again if that was the case.

I noticed when republicans had the majority they managed to get bills through.

To bad the republicans don't have someone at least with a little intellectual common sense brightness running because the democrats would lose again if that was the case.

I couldn't agree more. What this country needs now is someone with a first class mind. We are still the most powerfull country in the world but I'm begining to think it's buy default. At the end of cleopatra rein in egypt the egyptians couldn't read the hieroglyphics anymore.

I think I just proved my point.

"Apparently no good bills could possibly make it until only the democrats have a major majority."

You're missing the point. It's misguided, at best, to look at the all-time record for filibusters (before the half-way mark, no less) and not assess blame that way. Under our Rules of governance, if one side has 41 votes, they can be as disruptive and counter-productive as they choose. Nothing passes, because debates never close. In the past, most minorities have realized the country elected the majority for a reason. This group of Republicans couldn't give a damn, and their mantra has been obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.

Your continued blaming of the Democrats for the Republicans' actions shows a profound misunderstanding of Robert's Rules of Order, where 41 votes in the Senate can put the brakes on everything.

Danforth,

what bills have been filibustered?

it seems as thought the dems are sitting with their thumbs up there asses because the Reps will just filibuster so why bother.

that's ridiculous...put a bill together that makes sense put it on the floor, if the Repubs filibuster a bill that is good for the country the public won't stand for it and the Repubs running for office in Nov. would get booted and Barry would sail to victory and the Dems would have complete control.

but they haven't done that, and that is the point.


When the repubs had the majority, they put forth bills and the Dems filibustered, it's how it works.

"but they haven't done that"

Refusing to close debate is the same thing. Hasn't anyone on this blog ever read Robert's Rules of Order? Two facts: a determined minority of 41 or more in the Senate can grind anything to a halt they choose. And the Rs have set the all-time record for doing that, and in less than half the time. Do the math.

Then the Dems need to raise a stink...

point the finger...

scream it from the top of the mountain..."We have this great plan, and it you the people will not see it's benefits because these senators and house members won't allow it to pass"

but they don't...

so to keep it on topic...the dems, have dun nuttin about the gas prices either.

"but they don't..."

That's because Pelosi & Reid are jagoffs, and obviously never read the rules as well. They've postured and preened and guaranteed results they had no way to produce. They deserve plenty of blame, but as a veteran of hundreds of RROR meetings, trust me: if you can't close a debate, nothing else gets done.

I'm also a vet of RROR meetings, I'm not saying you're wrong...but as you've pointed out the Pelosi talks a big game, but there's no action behind them.

and I think that in a nutshell is the point of this debate.

"I'm also a vet of RROR meetings"

What percentage of them never closed a debate?

And what could your group have achieved if there was a determined minority who set record after record for refusing cloture?

The problem Danforth...

when the Reps had the Senate Majority

how many times did anyone say...well, you can't blame the Republicans for now good being done, because as you know they don't have enough of a majority to overcome a filibuster.

when you boil it all down, we elect our leaders to get things done, when they have the majority, we expect it even more. They now hold the reins and if they can't get things done then they are ineffectual leaders. Now, if the repubs are just sitting there blocking the way, then make deals, bitch, whine, complain, let the voters know what it is going on so we can vote them out...

but do SOMETHING, they've done NOTHING.

if they'd done ANYTHING, and could point the finger across the aisle at the obstructions, then I'd have to relent...but they quit the game before they ever played because what was the point, they couldn't win.

That is not leadership.

"well, you can't blame the Republicans for no good being done, because as you know they don't have enough of a majority to overcome a filibuster."

Had the Dems broken or tied the record, you'd have a point. Instead, they realized the majority of the country had elected the Rs, something the Rs have refused to admit about the Dems.

Hey, I'm not giving the Dems a pass, I'm just all about comparatives. And when someone breaks the all-time record for cloture refusals, one should take notice. When they do it in less than half the time, it's an identifiable plan of obstruction.

Again, give me 41 votes, and NOTHING will ever get done. Is that your fault, or mine?

Cloture refusal doesn't kill a bill. It keeps it open for debate. Couldn't the record cloture refusals in "under half the time" be indicative of democrats attempting to bring debate to a close earlier than necessary?

Maybe this is a little off the thread, but is apparent that Pelosi & Co. lied. Apparently there never was a plan. Oh my, a Dem lie (I thought here that only Repubs did that).

Plus, to bring up cloture refusals is to suggest that Pelosi and the Democrats brought some sort of "gas price relief," "FTC Crackdown on oil companies," or "rescind corporate welfare" bill up for debate in the first place. Did that even happen?

Yesterday I saw that regular is still around $3.93 a gallon

But unleaded and supreme have just gone over the $4.00 a gallon mark

I don't know why California aways gets screwed over the the highest cost
of gas before any of the other states. Can't wait to get out of this state.

"over the the cost..." = "over on the cost.."

Chris-

Gas is $3.93 in Chicago right now. You are not the only one. I'm guessing it's even more in NYC.

In fact it has been for over a week now.

Still "Ghey" and without a life Lil Joe?

Looking for a partner, ShitsMe?

Joe

I'll be looking at buying a good used car -- not too $$$ - maybe a Toyota with lots of room for gear in the back. Any suggestions to help me out?

I can drive a stick shift with no problems -- drove one for years. I just don't want a car with a lot of electrical/computer problems. My neighbor bought a brand new Toyota Corolla and paid about $25 grand and the thing always seems to have something electrical or in the computer parts screw up on it. (Of course she's 85 and doesn't quite know where all right buttons are to turn on stuff in the car -- but she's learning.) Anyway, I had an older model Toyota Corolla and loved it. Any other car brand you can suggest for a good used car under $15 grand tops?

Chris, I didn't even know Corolla's went up to $25K, and I've always thought those to be the most reliable and fuel-efficient non-hybrid cars. I've never heard of anyone having the problems your neighbor is having, but I suppose it could happen. If I were to buy a car today that's definitely what I'd get. Also, Honda makes 4-door Civics and Accords that are known to be very reliable as well. Those two brands (Toyota and Honda) have been known for years to be the most reliable and well-made cars, and you can easily get one that is a couple years old for around $15K.

You might also want to look into Hyundai, their quality has really gone up in the last few years and they remain a cheaper alternative.

Chris, I didn't even know Corolla's went up to $25K, ...

Whoops, sorry, hers is a Corona.

Camry?

Joe

Just finished reading the "Lawyers Coloring Book" -- I'm still laughing!

As for the one showing the lawyer "counting the buttons on his phone" cartoon page?
How close to the truth that ONE is!

We actually had some associates who (when offices were shifted around) actually counted the number of 12" x 12" tile squares on each office ceiling to see which associate might have received an office "one or two squares larger" than another associate. (Mostly they were the 3-5 year guys). Partners, of course, got either a corner office and/or a really nice view. The "rainmakers" got the best offices. The lower ring associates got varying numbers of extra ceiling tiles to show their "importance." hahaha

Camry! You're right. I was getting my Corollas mixed up. Mine was the Corolla, my neighbor lady's was the Camry. I know hers was the best one Toyota makes so it must have been that one.

Chris, that's hilarious. My favorite part of the coloring book is the lawyer walking through the lunchroom talking to the administrative staff like he's "one of them." I've definitely seen that at both firms I've worked at.

I was getting my Corollas mixed up

I meant to say getting my Toyotas mixed up.



Note to self: Don't try to do other paperwork and blog at the same time. (grin)

Still waiting for the reps to win the war they started.

Still waiting to be welcomed as liberators.

Still waiting for flowers and chocolates for the troops from the Iraqis.

Still waiting for Iraq oil to pay for the war.

Chris, that's hilarious. My favorite part of the coloring book is the lawyer walking through the lunchroom talking to the administrative staff like he's "one of them." I've definitely seen that at both firms I've worked at.

Posted by JOE at 2008

I could relate to the stuff in your book and mine. The fact that it's usually 99% true most of the time makes it even funnier. The paperback I linked you to is really a lot of laughs. I brought it into work and kept it at my desk and had partners coming over asking to borrow it.

Still waiting for the reps to win the war they started.

Still waiting to be welcomed as liberators.

Still waiting for flowers and chocolates for the troops from the Iraqis.

Still waiting for Iraq oil to pay for the war.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-08 04:58 PM


Still waiting to see a smoke stack on the moon. (grin)

In fact, when we get the smokestack on the Moon we'll probably get the four things you're waiting for too, BBob. I don't expect to see any of those five things happening in this century.

Relax everyone. Prices will come down as soon as Hillary bombs Iran. That'll teach 'em.

Still waiting for the reps to win the war they started.

Still waiting to be welcomed as liberators.

Still waiting for flowers and chocolates for the troops from the Iraqis.

Still waiting for Iraq oil to pay for the war.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-05-08 04:58 PM



Translation: Democrats are liars so I'll just deflect to Republican lies. It's easier than admitting that my own party is a complete failure.

Gosh, I was relying on Democrat promises.

I was driving a stripped down rental car for two weeks. You know the kind, windows rolled down by hand, no frills, light weight, and lots of mileage per gallon. I finally got delivery on my new car, which drives like a tank. I can feel the difference in fuel use.

Here, the Democrats have disappointed me. I used half a tank today, when I would have used only a gallon or two with the rental.

Well, I suppose I wasn't sufficiently sophisticated to believe that all politicians are liars all of the time. I thought that with the Democrat Congress, just like Jesus with the loaves and wine, more gasoline would materialize and fuel the vehicles.

The Democrats didn't add an ounce of petrol to the supply. They simply added a tax. I wonder if I should trade my new car in for a compact or subcompact.

Damn. If we can't rely on the promise of Democrat politicians, we're all lost. The sky is falling down.