Keep it up, HillBilly, you are handing the General Election to John McCain.

2209 is now her new magic number...unbelievable.

Hillary Clinton is acting like a spoiled two year old by insisting on Michinga and Florida being counted. if would be nice if some adult Democrats would stand up and tell her to grow up and shut up. What a disgrace that a presidential candidate should be so undignified in her quest to be president. I think she should respect the office more. But what can you expect from the Clintons, they don't respect the Office of the presidency.

This is like the Magic trying to cheat the Pistons out of a three-pointer last .

night.

DNC rules allow for re-votes and/or re-instating delegates and/or appealing penalties, such as the full loss of all delegates applied to these states when the rules call for a loss of half the delegates.

That Obama voluntarily took his name off the MI ballot is his problem.

The MIFL issue should be solved ater June 3, not in the middle of heated primary battles. After things settle down, I am sure that a solution can be found at that time.

MI Dems were floating around this idea of giving Hillary 69 delegates and Obama 59 which would be a good compromise.

I love it.

Not only is Hillary fighting to the bitter end, but she won't be satisfied until the Democratic Party is completely obliterated.

Thanks for the link Member--

Is she something else or what?

Get ready Dems--because even if the SD's make their choice known in June--if they do choose--

Hillary will not leave--will not bow out--

My Dad is convinced that Clinton will be the nominee--I try to tell him the problems of taking away the nomination from Obama--

He says it doesn't matter--He can't stand the Clintons BTW--Hillary will be the nominee.

We'll have to see--about a month away for H-Day right?

Murphy

Yes, in a role reversal, Obama would have dropped out by now, roflmfao!!

Corky - what is the basis for your opinion that he would not have?

Sure didn't take long for Corky McBegginStrips to chime in with the "reinstate MI and FL" talking points.

Even if Billary got the delegates referenced in the article, it still wouldn't be enough to put her over her new magic number.

If she keeps it up, we will have more of the McSame in 08.

Fine work.

Not only is Hillary fighting to the bitter end, but she won't be satisfied until the Democratic Party is completely obliterated.

Posted by member2586 at 2008-05-06 01:32 PM

ROC and JeffJ have been saying this since Jan., and if RiR's glee is any indication, it's going to be a loooong week at the DNC convention in Denver.

I have to agree with RiR...The systematic destruction of the Democratic Party at the hands of Hillary Clinton is supremely ironic.

The convention is going to sooo much fun to watch if she keeps it going until then.

Bill Clinton: Hillary would be a better president than me

blogs.telegraph.co.uk

You can't make this stuff up folks!

Posted by member2586 at 2008-05-06 01:52 PM

Of course Bill had to say that, otherwise he would never get laid agai.....

Oh, never mind.

..."reinstate MI and FL" talking points.

Posted by leftcoastlawyer

Amazing that you can write off efforts to keep FL and MI Dem's from disenfranchisement as "talking points."

Now if that isn't an ends justify the means argument, I don't know what is.

Of course Bill had to say that, otherwise he would never get laid agai.....

Oh, never mind.

Posted by Rightocenter

Why would he want to get laid by a woman with such large testicles?

Clinton's supporters are in heavy denial. There is a delegate calculator on CNN's political web-site. I would invite Clinton supporters to go there and put in your numbers as to how you think the remaining primaries and caucuses are going to play out. I did this and, in my scenario I gave HRC a 56-44 win in every remaining contest and I gave her 62% of the remaining uncommitted delegates. The Democratic nominee in that case would be Barack Obama. It's time for you all to wake up and smell the coffee.

She is not going to win the nomination. It's as simple as that!

Amazing that you can write off efforts to keep FL and MI Dem's from disenfranchisement as "talking points."

Now if that isn't an ends justify the means argument, I don't know what is.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-05-06 02:56 PM | Reply

If that ain't some God damned Bullshit I don't know what is. Florida and Michigan disenfranchised themselves when they didn't abide by the rules. I think it's God damned funny that even Hellary declared Florida and Michigan would not Count until She got Her proverbial Tits in the wringer and needs those votes desperately. Face it She is swine. It's also not the ends justify the means either. That is so much God Damned Poppycock it's not even funny. More of the BULLSHIT coming from Hellaryites thats all. They are talking like men with paper assholes the shit just keeps flying out of their mouths. God damned get a fucking clue. Hellaryites rotten to the very core

Larry Mohr

Amazing that you can write off efforts to keep FL and MI Dem's from disenfranchisement as "talking points."

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-05-06 02:56 PM

Needless profanity notwithstanding, I have to say I agree with Larry...Hillary agreed to the rules of engagement, and now that her "inevitability" strategy completely failed, she wants to change those rules.

Dat ain't Right.

That is so much God Damned Poppycock it's not even funny. More of the BULLSHIT coming from Hellaryites thats all. They are talking like men with paper assholes the shit just keeps flying out of their mouths. God damned get a fucking clue. Hellaryites rotten to the very core.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr

Larry's version of substantive argument and real dialogue.

"...she wants to change those rules.

Dat ain't Right."

Posted by Rightocenter

Hillary's opinion shouldn't matter. Obama's opinion shouldn't matter. The disenfranchisement is a matter of the people, not the candidates, regardless of the agrrement used to secure it.

The fact that doing right by FL and MI makes an already tight race even messier is beside the point. Enfranchisement is the higher priority, not the nomination of any particular candidate.

"Larry's version of substantive argument and real dialogue.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine "


We don't need no stinkin' substantive argument or liberal pansy "dialogue".

Sincerely,
Most of the DR Right

"Enfranchisement is the higher priority, not the nomination of any particular candidate."


No, ensuring a fair process is the higher priority. And that means not changing the rules everyone agreed to at the beginning of the contest.

If Hillary gave up and pulled out of the primaries everybody would whine and say "just like a woman, she wasn't tough enough for the fight." Let it be a fight to the finish. May the best person win. -- unless it's McBush.

No, ensuring a fair process is the higher priority.

Posted by nullifidian

How fair is a process if it doesn't achieve enfranchisement?

I think voting is the whole point, right?

Neither side is going to come out looking good after all this. Nobody has any reason to be proud.

May the best person win. -- unless it's McBush.
Posted by CalifChris

What if McBush actually is the best person?

I guess we'd really be in trouble then.

-Hillary agreed to the rules of engagement

The only rules are those of the DNC for primaries, and HRC has offered no scenarios that cannot be accomplished under those rules.

Corky Lieberman must be laughing all the way to the bank each week as he cashes that check from PNAC.

The fact that doing right by FL and MI makes an already tight race even messier is beside the point. Enfranchisement is the higher priority, not the nomination of any particular candidate.

This is all a bunch of hogwash. HRC and Obama both knew that the Democratic parties of both states knowingly tried to break the rules that were established regarding when a state could hold a primary.

If HRC's stand is so principled why didn't she object back before the DNC ruled on this. Back when she was the presumptive nominee she didn't make any impassioned plea on behalf of the voters of MI and FL.

She is a desparate politician fighting for her political life and quite frankly, she comes off looking like a whiny baby instead of someone who will be ready to be President on DAY ONE!

Funny, that's what someone with no argument would say.

After his devastating loss in PA, Obama noted that since he was way ahead in NC, Indiana would be, in his words, "the tie-breaker".

Shouldn't we hold him to that?

It will be you ignorant Floridiot trailer dweller, Indiana will go to Hillary by 2-3% and she'll pick up perhaps 4-5 more delegates there. Still leaving her way the fuck behind.

"Shouldn't we hold him to that?"

As long as we hold Bill to his statements about Texas.

So, Obama is an old school politician like Bubba? All this new politics of hope stuff is just talk?

You break my heart.

If you concentrate real hard, though, perhaps you will be able to formulate an answer to the question instead of yet another lame deflection.

" perhaps you will be able to formulate an answer to the question"

Says the guy who has steadfastly refused to answer if a plan with a 40% surcharge is a good economic idea.

Corky, are you being compensated in any way for your political postings?

So, Obama is an old school politician like Bubba? All this new politics of hope stuff is just talk?

You break my heart.

Stated otherwise: it is ok for the Clinton's to lie and not follow through with promises, but it isn't ok for anyone else. Double standards are ok as long as they benefit the candidate I am backing.

You break my heart.


Posted by Corky at 2008-05-06 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag


That would require the presence of such an organ.

Corky, are you being compensated in any way for your political postings?

Posted by Danforth at 2008-05-06 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag:


Yes, Dorky is getting regular subsidies from RNC, PNAC, Heritage Foundation and LUsh Rimjob.

"So, Obama is an old school politician like Bubba? All this new politics of hope stuff is just talk?"

Translation: Obama is just as bad as my candidate.

Or: Obama stinks as much as Clinton, which is why you should vote for Clinton.

Interesting argument.

-Double standards

As I recall, it is Obama who sets such high standards..... and then ignores them.

People tend to think of that as hypocrisy for some reason.

Still no answer, eh, Danny Boy?

As I recall, it is Obama who sets such high standards..... and then ignores them.

Hmmm I can remember Hillary saying Michigan wouldn't count back in November, what happened with that?

-Translation: Obama is just as bad as my candidate.

Ah, where's that Moment of Clarity Award?


A truly new kind of politician would not have lied about, er, misrepresented his health care plan for much of a year as "universal". Until caught, that is.

Also, having called Indiana "the tie-breaker", a new kind of politician would live up to what he said.

Perhaps one day it will sink in that whenever you answer a question with a deflection like, "But Mommy, Little Hillary did it, too", you just look absolutely inane.

"Still no answer, eh, Danny Boy?"

No, not from you, yet. Will you ever answer whether or not you believe an economic idea that comes with a 40% surcharge is a good one?

When did I say Obama was as bad as Clinton? When did I say that Obama lacked the judgment that would prevent him from telling voters what they want to hear just for votes, with no intentions of actually following through with promises.

Obama has never openly lied like Clinton did about Michigan, Bosnia, the economics behind the gas tax, etc...

No, Obama only openly lied about important stuff like universal health care.

That Obama voluntarily took his name off the MI ballot is his problem.

Still making that reward chicanery and punish honesty argument?

Helldawg ClintCo is, simply put, one of the most disingenuous, cynical and corporately co-opted candidates in the race.

Crap, she begins to approach McCain is the crazy-assed loon competition.

From her obnoxious attempts to bribe the voters with their own money, her ever-changing accent depending on where she's talking, to her reckless unabashed courting of the low-info crowd she is proving herself to be the dangerously divisive and polarising figures in the race.

Her attempts to turn Obama into "the black candidate" rather than a guy who transcends the racial divides of America has been partially successful and totally reprehensible.

Fuck that biatch sez Spud.

Fuck her with a stick.

A truly new kind of politician would not have lied about, er, misrepresented his health care plan for much of a year as "universal". Until caught, that is.

Helldawg is especially beluffed by the HMOs and BigInsurers because her health care scheme is a plan to punish the uninsured by making people's payments mandatory regardless of their financial status.

That Hellacious surrogate Corky misrepresents Obama's position that considers people first and HMOs second as being "not universal" is no suprise.

Be Well.

"I did, on that thread."

You claimed 100% would go back to the people, yet the one study you'd referenced earlier showed only 60% did.

So you still haven't answered the question.

I remember when you had something other than ad hominem and ridicule, Tater Tot.

Seems so long ago.

But as long as you blame others for Obama's own stupid remarks, Obama's own poor judgement in dealing with his Pastor, Obama's lies about his health care plan...... you only play "enabler" to the patient.

I answered, you don't like the answer.

Now tell us why Obama should not be held to his statement that, "Indiana is the tie-breaker".

Without lame deflection this time.

"I answered, you don't like the answer."

Your "answer" contradicted your other posts, the references you made, and the study you pointed to. It was basically, "well, it won't happen that way". You'd even lose a high-school debate contest with crap like that.

"...tell us why Obama should not be held to his statement that, "Indiana is the tie-breaker"

Because that's not the rule. Should Hilary have "gone home", as Bill promised, after losing Texas? No. And why? That's not the rule.

Your turn: Do you think a gas-tax holiday, where the only study you've referenced showed only 60% went to the intended beneficiaries, is a good economic policy?

And: Are you being compensated in any way for your postings?

LOL, now you get to determine what issues are important and those that aren't, how elitist of you.

A truly new kind of politician would not have lied about, er, misrepresented his health care plan for much of a year as "universal". Until caught, that is.


But he'd make a great VP!

-Corky the shill.

-losing Texas

hahahaha!!!

Ah, the native pants-pissers are getting restless now before the big election......

why can't Obama just close the deal and put her away, eh?

Maybe she should lend him her extra cajone.

Obama got more delegates from texas, corky.

Hillary didn't, even with an army of dittohead dipshits like pinche mao voting for her.

That's called losing.

Staying true to form: when all else fails Corky deflects and resorts to personal attacks

You may note, Lexy, that wins are given to candidates with the most popular vote in Dem primaries.



It becomes more and more apparent that Obamites would just as soon Barrack win the primary, even as it becomes more and more evident that he cannot carry the blue-collar vote needed to win the general.

One question though, Spud. How much did they pay you to pose with Hil for that pic?

Did you wear protection?

"...he cannot carry the blue-collar vote needed to win the general."

Only if the Republicans run Hillary.

OK, two questions.

Joe Scarborough on the Obamasoft Network mentioned yesterday that Republicans slap Dems around every four years by getting blue-collar types, Reagan Dems, to vote against their own self-interest by offering up culture war issues like guns, religion, and abortion.

He noted that Hillary seems to have cracked that nut the same way Bubba did, garnering the votes of moderate and conservative Dems by relating to them on economic issues.

How that is done is not as important as, "gettin' 'er done".

Al Gore
John Kerry
Barrack Obama

Peas in a pod.

Corky-
They don't look like "peas in a pod". One or two of them must not belong.

I was referred to their ability to win, not their looks.

I was referring to their ability to win, not their looks.

I was referring to their ability to win, not their looks.

Looks like Obama is going to win NC handily meaning SDs will start lining up later this week.

Taxman, Obama is losing Indiana and at best will have a small victory in NC. Nothing will change accept for which lies he will trot out over the next few weeks.

Bee Swell

Rightocenter, even though Hillary's motives are for personal gain the votes from Florida should be counted and Michigan should have a new primary.

Bee Swell

Well it looks like the Clinton strategy has worked on some folks:

About 50 people were eating breakfast at the restaurant in Greenwood when Obama walked in at 7:40 a.m. He went from table to table, chatting briefly with patrons about the economy and gas prices before sitting down to breakfast.
One of his first encounters went poorly. He approached a man sitting alone at a table and was waved away. The man told me afterward he had no interest in meeting Obama. "I can't stand him,'' he said. "He's a Muslim. He's not even pro-American as far as I'm concerned.''

Despicable. Hillary should be soooo proud of herself for perpetrating this myth.

Hic!

OK, I'm outta here.

-Despicable. Hillary should be soooo proud of herself for perpetrating this myth.

Whats despicable, along with ludicrous, is blaming Hillary for anything to do with Obama.

Did you know that Rev Wright is really Hillary in black-face?

Idiot.

Looks like Obama is going to win NC handily meaning SDs will start lining up later this week.

Posted by taxman


There will come a time, hopefully, when Obama will pass Hillary in the number of SDs. That will be fun to watch. I wonder what the Clintons will say next?

BTW, don't you know that NC is just another irrelevant red state anyways so it doesn't matter?

Whats despicable, along with ludicrous, is blaming Hillary for anything to do with Obama.

Hillary's camp nor any Hillary supporter has ever sent out an email referring to Obama as a Muslim? They didn't send out a picture of him which portrayed him as a Muslim?

Member, Indiana is a red state as well. And yes, I sense your sarcasm

If exit polls are to be believed and Obama does indeed win NC, then Hillary's chances of being nominated are being obliterated and I am sure she will feel quite bitter about it, lol!

Let's wait and see, no sense in counting chickens until they are hatched.

Let's wait and see, no sense in counting chickens until they are hatched.

Because if we do, they might come home to roost!

lol!

As I have told you before my boss (white male)is a self described "yellow dog tax and spend democrat" and has always been so. I spoke to him just after he had voted today (for Obama of course) and I mentioned that this evening would be exciting. "Hillary is just a bitch" he said "she has no business doing what she is doing". I mentioned to him that there is a theory that she is trying to destroy Obama for November so she can run again in 2012. He said "if she does that she is doing not only an incredible disservice to the country but she will single handely destroy the democrat party, the african-americans will desert the party in droves and they will never vote for her in 2012." I also spoke to my former boss (black female) and she said exactly the same thing, "after what she has done the blacks will never vote for her, not now, not in 2012, not ever."

I predict more sniper fire.

After his devastating loss in PA, Obama noted that since he was way ahead in NC, Indiana would be, in his words, "the tie-breaker".

Shouldn't we hold him to that?

Posted by Corky at 2008-05-06 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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This is an Intellectually Dishonest statement. Since Obama was supposed to have lost Pennsylvania by 20 to 25% and only lost it by 9.6% points then You must declare Obama actually won Pennsylvania even though He lost the state. By Him reducing the percentage point margin lost He gained upon Hellary. Now I know You will not say this but it's the truth.

Larry Mohr

A great big plus in the Billaries promoting a brawl at the convention would be when their sorry asses are soundly defeated... and their influence forever negated in Dem politics.

No, the Dem party is not going to be destroyed... though a fight to the bitter end could lead to a Bush III presidency. That would be a miserable penalty for America to pay.

She is not going to win the nomination. It's as simple as that!

Posted by realpatriot

she doesn't have to..she can run as an independent in November if not nominated..

put that in your crack pipe and smoke it.

Hill-dawg's sure she wants to do this, ay?

scortched earth, count on it

its over bitch. its been over. now go bake some cookies you lying sack of shit

She's done.

I wonder what the Hillary death watch meter is saying now?

She's like one of those birthday candles that won't blow out

member2586 wrote,

"Hillary Clinton is acting like a spoiled two year old by insisting on Michinga and Florida being counted."

Yeah, just like the same fucking spoiled dems who keep crying they lost in 2000 because every vote was not counted in Florida.

Isn't this sweet. What goes around comes around!

Bee Swell

KEEP FIGHTING, HILLARY....

Another genius statement from Larry Mohr:
"This is an Intellectually Dishonest statement. Since Obama was supposed to have lost Pennsylvania by 20 to 25% and only lost it by 9.6% points then You must declare Obama actually won Pennsylvania even though He lost the state."

Talk about intellectually dishonest statements!

Because Obama didn't lose PA as badly as predicted, he actually won?

Reason doesn't mean anything to you, does it?

It's the truth whether You want to believe it or not is upon You NOT I Hagbard Celine.

Larry Mohr

You really don't even understand the meaning of the words you try to string into sentences, do you, Larry?

I know English is a living language... but seriously.....

Just admit that you support Obama, no matter what. Despite everything. That all criticism of Clinton and McCain reveals their fatal flaws and no criticism of Obama is coherent, let alone relevant. Then maybe it will be clear that you are as much a partisan hack as you label Corky.

If, you have only voted for one party only, then you are a fucking Hack.

If, you have only voted for one party only, then you are a fucking Hack.

Posted by JMFJ

I disagree. It is quite possible that one party or another does not speak to your hopes and dreams for this country.

Failing to vote for one party doesn't make you a hack, being unwilling to deal with legitimate criticism while heaping loads of criticism on your opponent is what makes you a hack.

Go Hillary!
No, really! Go...Now! Please! Go Away!

"Clinton: Fight to Bitter End"

Yes. She's bitter, and this is the end.

DNC rules allow for re-votes and/or re-instating delegates and/or appealing penalties, such as the full loss of all delegates applied to these states when the rules call for a loss of half the delegates.

That Obama voluntarily took his name off the MI ballot is his problem.



Posted by Corky


Whether you agree with corky or not on other issues. this is a valid point. You can't argue in favor of following the rules for only SOME of the rules. I think that Clinton is doing harm by doing this, but if she is operating within the rules, it's something we'll just have to endure until the final stake can be driven through her heart.

I can't wait for Hillary to say out loud what she is thinking, and why she is still in the race. And when she says it, the democrats are further doomed.

Hillary might say:

"Elect me, because Obama cannot win"

Game over man, GAME OVER!

Kuma

Why?