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In a letter sent this morning to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, Mehdi Danesh-Yazdi, Iran's deputy ambassador to the UN, writes that Hillary Clinton's words were "provocative and irresponsible" and represent "a flagrant violation" of the UN Charter. " According to Tehran, Clinton "unwarrantedly and under erroneous and false pretexts threatened to use force against the Islamic Republic of Iran." Do we sense a little tension?

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The Iranians don't want their country nuked? Go figure.

All it takes for nuke threats in todays world is to first=have your own sovereign country-second-do something or everything to piss off W.

I am some surprised to note that the small northern country whats it's name........oh yah Canada hasn't earned a nuke'em threat. Just bad luck I guess.

Either kiss the big moon job of W or get the old nuke'em threat.

From the end of the article:

But the problem is, Clinton's need to look tough isn't new. It's what generated the Putin gaffe--and arguably her vote to authorize the use of force in Iraq. In light of this pattern, it's worth wondering whether Clinton's instinct for political grandstanding at home--her desire to flex her muscles for domestic political gain--clouds her otherwise good judgment and (at the very least) increases her chances of stirring up unnecessary tensions abroad.

But hey, at least her pastor hasn't called anyone a "garlic nose."

----

It brings up an interesting point. So far this year, Clinton has had 3 foreign relations gaffes (NZ prime minister, Putin, Iran), yet the subject that is dominating discussions is a pastor.

I have found a small, harmless country that hasn't done the US any harm.

Monaco!!!

They do have one thing we need most of all--MONEY

Keith,

Please read the article. The threat was from Hillary Clinton if Iran if response to a question about if Iran nuked Israel.

Correction.

* The threat was from Hillary Clinton in response to a question about if Iran nuked Israel.

This is talk to attract the Iran-fearing Republicans because McCain can only help her so much.

They need to make it at least appear like a legitimate election.

Pirate-Actually this whole idea of even talking on the subject of nuking seems to me less than productive. If you say it and over a period of time don't ,for cause or not don't do it. No one knows just how far one can go.

If Iran had nukes they still couldn't attack Israel because Israel would flatten their country. So what threat does Iran feel that a nuke might be a useful deterrent for??? Seems to me that if a big country was constantly sabre rattling I'd want something to make me feel safer, like a nuclear weapon I could fire at them if they attacked. We should not forget that we are the aggressor in Iraq and we are threatening to be the aggressor in Iran as well.
January can't get here soon enough.

Imagine if we nuked Iran and controlled both Iraqi and Irani oil reserves. We could more readily maintain our economy with oil for us at $10 per barrel.

We need to be imperialist and engage in exploitation of other countries for the benefit of all of our people, and not just the elites. Then we'd have another American century.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition, and be thankful and receive the bounty that God gives you. Take a lesson from preachers, who recognize that it is good to be rich, and that when God chooses to bestow goods upon you, be thankful and do not reject the opportunity to prosper.

Thank you Lord for delivering the oil in what was Iraq and Iran to the United States for the bounty of our people.

Let's get it on. If the "moon god," Allah were as powerful as our God, then he would protect his worshipers from us, whom God has blessed from sea to shining sea. Christianity triumphant. Judeao-Christianity triumphant. We need to keep our Jewish brothers with us.

Thank you Jesus.

They can relax for God knows how long. The whole thing is in scheduling. It could take 25 years.

Keith204 wrote,

"I am some surprised to note that the small northern country whats it's name........oh yah Canada hasn't earned a nuke'em threat. Just bad luck I guess."

No, we just don't want the fall out blowing back on us.

Of course if I thought we could get Spudless in the process but they say cockroaches can survive even nuclear bombs.

Bee Swell

Does Iran realize that Hillary is not president yet?

Johnson, you are most certainly going to hell if there is one.. Any god would be ashamed of your ignorance and hate.


.......Johnson....

...you missed your medication ......

Can anyone lay out what our beef with Iran is?

Nuke Iran?

Wait, I thought diplomacy solved all problems? Sounds like she, like Bob, doesn't believe her own crap.

BigPerm it has EVERYTHING to do with Oil and NOTHING to do with Nuclear Capabilities. If they only had Cabbage under their soil and not Oil we would be selling then Nuclear techology and not trying to quash the idea.

Larry Mohr

"
If Iran had nukes they still couldn't attack Israel because Israel would flatten their country. So what threat does Iran feel that a nuke might be a useful deterrent for??? Seems to me that if a big country was constantly sabre rattling I'd want something to make me feel safer, like a nuclear weapon I could fire at them if they attacked. We should not forget that we are the aggressor in Iraq and we are threatening to be the aggressor in Iran as well.
January can't get here soon enough.

Posted by danni


Oh for Christ sake will you please just go suck Allah's cock? It will shut your Goddam mouth for a while!

They don't want their country nuked? Why?

Funny, yet they have no problem with screaming about how they want to obliterate Israel. Funny how that works.


Imagine if we nuked Iran and controlled both Iraqi and Irani oil reserves. We could more readily maintain our economy with oil for us at $10 per barrel.

We need to be imperialist and engage in exploitation of other countries for the benefit of all of our people, and not just the elites. Then we'd have another American century.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition, and be thankful and receive the bounty that God gives you. Take a lesson from preachers, who recognize that it is good to be rich, and that when God chooses to bestow goods upon you, be thankful and do not reject the opportunity to prosper.

Thank you Lord for delivering the oil in what was Iraq and Iran to the United States for the bounty of our people.

Let's get it on. If the "moon god," Allah were as powerful as our God, then he would protect his worshipers from us, whom God has blessed from sea to shining sea. Christianity triumphant. Judeao-Christianity triumphant. We need to keep our Jewish brothers with us.

Thank you Jesus.

Posted by Johnson



WORD

January can't get here soon enough.

Posted by danni

Is that when we all hold hands around a camp fire and sing folk songs?

There was an interpretation error in Iran's statement.

Ahmadinejad did not say that 'Israel must be wiped off the map' with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time.

"Can anyone lay out what our beef with Iran is?"

It MIGHT be because the Iranian leadership is crazy. Not just the U.S. and Israel, but MANY nations don't want a nuclear armed Iran.

"Ahmadinejad's World
The deployment of the Basiji in the mine fields shows what one can expect from the Mullah-Regime By Matthias Kntzel

In pondering the behavior of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, I cannot help but think of the 500,000 plastic keys that Iran imported from Taiwan during the Iran-Iraq War of 1980-88. At the time, an Iranian law laid down that children as young as 12 could be used to clear mine fields, even against the objections of their parents. Before every mission, a small plastic key would be hung around each of the children's necks. It was supposed to open for them the gates to paradise.


"In the past," wrote the semi-official Iranian daily Ettela'at, "we had child-volunteers: 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds. They went into the mine fields. Their eyes saw nothing. Their ears heard nothing. And then, a few moments later, one saw clouds of dust. When the dust had settled again, there was nothing more to be seen of them. Somewhere, widely scattered in the landscape, there lay scraps of burnt flesh and pieces of bone." Such scenes could henceforth be avoided, Ettela'at assured its readers. "Before entering the mine fields, the children [now] wrap themselves in blankets and they roll on the ground, so that their body parts stay together after the explosion of the mines and one can carry them to the graves."

Read the whole bio, it's very well documented:[1]

www.matthiaskuentzel.de

It's kinda ironic that they feel threatened by Clinton's statement after what Ahmadinejad has been saying all along.

"A nuclear-armed Iran would likely embolden the leadership in Tehran to advance its aggressive ambitions in and outside of the region, both directly and through the terrorists it supports--ambitions that gravely threaten the stability and the security of U.S. friends and allies," says the House Intelligence report. With a nuclear arsenal that they felt protected them from retaliation, the mullahs would also be more likely to use conventional military force in the Middle East. The domino effect as Turkey, Egypt and the Saudis sought their own nuclear deterrent would also not be "stabilizing," to cite the highest value of our Middle Eastern "realists." And don't forget President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's vow that "Israel must be wiped off the map."

www.opinionjournal.com

Then, there is THIS from the Iranian daily newspaper:

www.memri.org

...and this from our U.N. ambassador:

online.wsj.com

Hey, tit for tat. They go around threatening to nuke others, so they are fair game. Aren't preemptive strikes part of the playbook?

**** Can anyone lay out what our beef with Iran is?
Posted by BigPerm ****

........the war machine needs to eat........

Pentagon Expands Propaganda Reach With Foreign "News" Websites

The Pentagon is expanding "Information Operations" on the Internet with purposefully set up foreign news websites that are designed to look like independent media sources but in reality are nothing more than direct military propaganda.

www.blacklistednews.com

Cheney's disinformation program to invade Iran is working it seems:>/

Iran you just don't understand. The United States of Israel has the exclusive right to obliterate any country or its leader whenever they see fit.

If anyone else with power, like Russia or China, does it, they are to be condemned.

Our motives, however, are always above reproach. Must be because we practice the teachings of Christ and respect his followers, particularly those South of our Borders.

Cyberwarfare: Darpa's New 'Space Race'

Published on Thursday, May 01, 2008.

Source: Wired

The Defense Advance Research Projects Agency, or Darpa, was created 50 years ago, in response to the Soviets' launch of Sputnik. In less than a year, Darpa put together the infrastructure that guided the American space effort for decades to come. Now, Darpa has been given new marching orders: to help America fight and win battles online.

Under a directive signed by the President -- and OK'd by Congress -- nearly every arm of the government's security apparatus is starting work on a massive national cybersecurity initiative, designed to protect the United States from electronic attack (and strike at adversaries online, as well). Darpa's role: Create a cyberwarfare range where all these new forms of electronic combat can be tried out. According to a defense official familiar with the program: "Congress has given DARPA a direct order; that's only happened once before -- with the Sputnik program in the '50s."
Danger Room's sister blog, Threat Level, has a good writeup of the cybersecurity initiative, which has been labeled as a Manhattan Project-type effort (a similar label was used for the Pentagon's work against IEDs, though it's not clear the parallel is as real as some might hope). In the case of cybersecurity, there is at least talk of big money: about $30 billion, Danger Room is told.

For its part, Darpa's "National Cyber Range" would create a virtual environment where the Defense Department can mock real warfare, both defense and offense.

Darpa today issued an announcement, describing how the range would be a test where the government could:

Conduct unbiased, quantitative and qualitative assessment of information assurance and survivability tools in a representative network environment.
Replicate complex, large-scale, heterogeneous networks and users in current and future Department of Defense (DoD) weapon systems and operations.
Enable multiple, independent, simultaneous experiments on the same infrastructure.
Enable realistic testing of Internet/Global-Information-
Grid (GIG) scale research.
Develop and deploy revolutionary cyber testing capabilities.
Enable the use of the scientific method for rigorous cyber testing.

This is clearly a serious deal for the agency: Darpa Director Tony Tether is a scheduled speaker at the proposers' day workshop scheduled for mid-May, and apparently plans to help handpick the contractors (Tether is known for his close involvement in Darpa contracts, but this level of detail is apparently somewhat unusual, we're told).

It also looks like many of the details surrounding this program will be classified.

-- Sharon Weinberger and Noah Shachtman


www.blacklistednews.com

"Imagine if we nuked Iran and controlled both Iraqi and Irani oil reserves. We could more readily maintain our economy with oil for us at $10 per barrel."

Ignoring completely the utterly immoral proposal you are making ... your entire premise is flawed. "We" wouldn't control Iraqi and Iranian oil reserves and "we" wouldn't see $10/barrel oil prices. The US and UK oil companies would control these resources (as they do in Iraq right now)...and their interests don't exactly coincide with those of the citizens of the US.

Here is the thing if Iran nukes Israel it will be by their political leadership not their people in general. It is not exactly ethical to retaliate against a basically innocent population of people if it serves nothing but for revengence.

Ok,

So it's fine to nuke Iran, but heavan forbid we keep a tripwire force in Iraq to prevent them from even starting a war.....Hmmmm....Maybe I just didn't understand all these references she's been making to "diplomacy" and such.... I guess it depends on what the meaning of "is" is.....

I have to agree with the Johnson approach. If that seems a bit extreme, use the carriers and block anything coming or going to Iran. Send a few jets from the carrier to close the airports and send some Apaches to stop incoming and outgoing trains. Squeeze them like zit until it pops. See how fast they stop supplying arms to those killing Americans.

Hey, tit for tat. They go around threatening to nuke others, so they are fair game. Aren't preemptive strikes part of the playbook?

Posted by Johnson


You're right Johnson. In fact it was pretty wimpy of Hillary to say we'd nuke them if they attacked Israel. She should have said "We'll nuke the fuck out of you whenever we feel like it".
I bet that would make your Johnson stiff.

It is not exactly ethical to retaliate against a basically innocent population of people if it serves nothing but for revengence.

Posted by furio at 2008-05-02 02:38 PM |

I am sure Eichman used the same line when it was discovered they were killing 600 jews a day. Not to mention the lies about the citizens denying they knew.

See how fast they stop supplying arms to those killing Americans.

Posted by crispee_oc


You're right Crispee. Just like the Soviets should have attacked us when we were supplying the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan. Your plans always make so much sense. You're my hero.

Rastacyborg,

Exactly correct. They should have attacked us, but they WEREN'T STRONG ENOUGH....a man's gotta know his limitations, and so do conglomerations of men....Instead, they gave up, which cost them a large chunk of their empire and their regime....

Losing wars is MUCH more expensive than winning them....

You're right Crispee. Just like the Soviets should have attacked us when we were supplying the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan. Your plans always make so much sense. You're my hero.

Posted by RastaCyborg at 2008-05-02 02:51 PM |

You must have some pretty low standards if someone like me is your hero. But then again you don't refute or care how many Americans the Iranians have been reponsible for killing the last decade or two.

"I am sure Eichman used the same line when it was discovered they were killing 600 jews a day. Not to mention the lies about the citizens denying they knew."

Actually most German citizens didn't know what was exactly going on plus due to the RIGHT WING state of fear in Germany they weren't going to raise any issues lest their families vanished as well. you do know there were no holocaust camps in Germany plus the fact that virtually all of the 6M Jews were gathered from countries OUTSIDE of Germany?

Really bad analogy.

You must have some pretty low standards if someone like me is your hero. But then again you don't refute or care how many Americans the Iranians have been reponsible for killing the last decade or two.

Posted by crispee_oc


Enlighten us, Crispee. How many Americans have been killed by the Iranians in the last decade or two?
Should we get into how many Iranians have been killed by Americans in that time?
Funny how you included the caveat "the last decade or two"; why is that?
Also, how many Americans have been killed by our glorious Saudi Arabian allies?

I am sure Eichman used the same line when it was discovered they were killing 600 jews a day. Not to mention the lies about the citizens denying they knew.

Posted by crispee_oc


certainly some nasty numbers there, but not as nearly as many as the Holocaust propagandists would like us to believe:>/



How Not To Be Interviewed
By CNN About The Holocaust
By Edgar J. Steele
Conspiracypenpal.com
1-28-5

I fielded several calls from CNN producers the other day. "Somebody" had given them my name as someone they might want to interview to provide counterpoint to their coverage today, which predictably will gush in support of all things Jewish. They discussed sending out a camera crew to film me being profiled with my commentary. Obviously, the idea was to get a foil to make look foolish...the typical, inarticulate and irrational "hater" to be vilified on camera. I know that always is the media's agenda when its minions approach me, but I am willing to play along, anyway, because I count on being able to hold my own with anybody on politically-incorrect subjects.

One of them asked if I believed in the Holocaust. "Do I believe Jews died or do I believe 6,000,000 Jews were gassed and cremated?" I responded. The latter, she said. "No - that's complete rubbish, as a little logic will demonstrate," I replied. "Here, let me explain."

"Consider why Germany, fighting a war on two fronts, desperate for fuel and materiel of every sort, would bother to load millions of Jews on railroad cars and transport them hundreds, even thousands, of miles to concentration camps. Camps built specifically to house them, where they would be fed, clothed, even tattooed so they could be inventoried...just to kill them."

"Look," I continued, "it doesn't even begin to make sense. If they wanted Jews dead, they would have done it the same way that Russian Jews had been doing it to millions and millions (20 to 80 million, depending upon to whom you talk) of White Christians for the past thirty years at the time: with a bullet to the base of the skull, wherever they might be found."

There was a long pause. I used it to add: "As my buddy Al likes to say, 'In all of German-occupied Europe, there were 2.4 million Jews. After the war, 3.8 million Jews applied for Holocaust reparations. Tragically, the remaining 6 million were lost.'"


www.rense.com

January can't get here soon enough.

Posted by danni

Is that when we all hold hands around a camp fire and sing folk songs?

Posted by Sniper at 2008-05-02 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's actually when the massive hemorrhaging of the Treasury begins to slow down a bit. Not much at first, but it will slow down. Afterall, the Bush Crime Syndicate isn't there to give our tax dollars to their friends.....and please, don't ask what I mean by that. If you don't know by now, you never will, or you simply choose not to because of the 'R' after the turds name.

Really bad analogy.

Posted by furio at 2008-05-02 02:56 PM



German Inaction
Many Germans knew exactly what the Nazis were doing to both German Jews and those in occupied countries. Inside Germany it was impossible not to see what was happening, or to hear first-hand reports from relatives, neighbours and friends. Tens of thousands of Germans either participated in the mobile killing units (Einsatzgruppen) or the death camp machinery, while tens of thousands more served in army units that either took part in the killings or witnessed them. These participants and eye witnesses talked of their experiences to relatives and friends, who in turn informed a wider circle of German society.

The response of the majority of ordinary Germans was either indifference or denial of the realities that were happening around them. Some Germans expressed active support for the Nazis' policies, while the rest said and did nothing.

The reactions of ordinary Germans to the violence and destruction of Kristallnacht ("the Night of Broken Glass") in November 1938 illustrates this. Thousands of Germans came out to watch the organised attacks on synagogues and Jewish businesses as though the violence was a festival. The next day 100 000 Germans flocked to a rally in Nuremberg to hear antisemitic speeches and voice their approval of the violent assault on their Jewish neighbours. Although concentration and prison camps had been set up from the very beginning of the Nazi regime in 1933, most of these were outside major cities. After 1938 this changed and it became impossible for ordinary Germans not to see what was happening to the Jewish community.

In the Berlin area, for example, there were 645 forced labour camps, while in the state of Hesse there were 606 camps. It was impossible for Germans not to see what was happening in their neighbourhoods. This was especially the case for Germans who were on active duty in those areas of the Eastern Front where the mass killings were carried out. This is illustrated by this excerpt from an interview from the film "Shoah" with a Mrs Michelson, the wife of a Nazi schoolteacher who lived near the Chelmno camp in Poland:

"(So) The Jewish work squad went through the village in chains? Yes. Could people speak to them? No, that was impossible. No one dared. No one dared. Why? Was it dangerous?

Yes, there were guards. Anyway, people wanted nothing to do with all that. Do you see? Gets on your nerves, seeing that every day. You can't force a whole village to watch such distress! ... And the screams! It was frightful! Depressing. Day after day, the same spectacle! It was terrible ... Horrifying screams. Screams of terror!

Do you know how many Jews were exterminated there? Four something. Four hundred thousand, forty thousand. Four hundred thousand. Four hundred thousand, yes. I knew it had a four in it. Sad, sad, sad!"

Oops!! July 3rd, 1988, a US warship mistakenly shoots down an Iranian airliner killing 300. I wonder if Crispee would believe that it was a mistake if Iran did it?

Commonsense,

So, the two lefties who are gonna sprout inefficient and corrupt health care systems while handing out earmarks and jacking up taxes, making everybody's economic lives harder, are gonna help the budget? Oh, that's right, they're gonna get all that money from "the rich", right? So, where are their proposed spending cuts to correspond to this?

When is the last time a democratically-controlled congress cut the deficit?

You really should know better.

HA HA HA!!!!

When is the last time a democratically-controlled congress cut the deficit?

JR

or Republican?

Jonny Boy, when the Dems blow through $1,000,000,000,000 invading the wrong country like the sub moronic pinhead in the White House, then you can start bitching.

I wonder if Crispee would believe that it was a mistake if Iran did it?

Posted by RastaCyborg at 2008-05-02 03:06 PM

Damn Rasta,
Look if you have no problem with Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah or any other group sponsored by Iran so be it. Next you are going to want proof they have killed americans. By all means find a way to contact them, let them know you are willing to defend their cause, let them know how you have argued the US is worse. I am sure they could put you to good use.

It's just semantics and another sign of these "Survivor" and "American Idol" times. In the good old days a pol might have said, "We will defend ourselves against unwarranted aggression". Now that's been replaced by "We will obliterate you". People these days love a winner, especially a psychotically aggressive one. Would Iran object if the U.S.A. "defended itself against unwarranted aggression" by nuking Iran if Iran nuked Israel? Not sure if I can drum up any sympathy.

Well Crispee, since YOU'RE the one claiming they've killed Americans, I assumed you'd have some evidence. Silly me, I forgot that you're a conservative. Last time I checked, Saudi Arabia supported terrorist organizations also, yet fearless leader holds hands with them. Why is that?

Obliterating Iran is the first idea that Hillary has had that I agree with. Maybe there's some hope for her after all. She must have a bigger set than Obama.

Powerful Bull Market In US Stocks Looms
As The US Prepares for Global Hegemony

Oil chess board - no prizes for guessing where they're headed next.


The major resource war currently underway involves the United States and its acolytes forcibly invading and taking control of those countries in the Mid-East that are not already client states, which the aim of completely controlling the Mid-Eastern oilfields. The invasion of Afghanistan, which does not have much oil, was a strategic geopolitical move. The invasion of Iraq was designed to secure a major prize, as Iraq is sat on the world's second largest oil reserves. That only leaves Iran, which will prove to be a tougher nut to crack, more about which later, and Syria, which will be a cakewalk, and doesnt have much oil and so is of limited interest anyway. A by-product of these military adventures is the elimination or at least neutering of Israel's enemies. Should the masses rise up and overthrow their feudal overlords in Saudi Arabia, then it may become necessary to invade that country too. Of course, it wouldn't have looked good to the electorate back home if one day George Bush had gone on television and announced "Hey, the world's running out of oil, and so you can continue to drive around in your SUV's and zig-zag around the country on airplanes, we are going to invade Iraq and take their oil". So they had to come up with something that would make it more palatable, hence the absurdly named "War on Terror" which sounds goofy but is good enough for the masses. The War on Terror is a crude deception, a fig leaf, designed to provide a faade behind which to conduct a good old-fashioned war of colonial conquest. The only reason it is not questioned more in the mainstream media is that the government controls the mainstream media and they do as they are told. You had to have a reason for the War on Terror, something to lend it some credibility, and that reason was provided by the catastrophic events of September 11th 2001.

Turning now to Iran, this is the only remaining significant country in the Mid-East that is not already either a client state of the United States or big western oil multinationals, like Saudi Arabia or the Gulf states, or already subject to military occupation. It is not in compliance, and can therefore expect to be forcibly dealt with at some point in the future. If it had no oil, and was not perceived to be a potential threat to Israel, it would perhaps be left alone, but it does have oil and Israel, at least, perceives it to be a threat.


www.gold-eagle.com

Crispee,

I'm not an apologist for Germany's actions but you are confusing concentration camps with exterminations camps. There were no extermination camps in Germany. My inlaws are descended from Auswitz survivors. I've heard many stories of what happened in Hungary and they aren't focused on German atrocities but those of Hungarians against Hungarian Jews. Yeah the Germans executed the Jews. The Poles, Hungarians, Ukranians, Romanians, etc gladly rounded them stole their property, killed them outright and packed them onto railway cars. But then they also did this with any other ethnic minorities as well. Roma got it the worst.

Very, very complex subject. Just like how to deal with the absolutely implausible scenario if Iran nukes Israel.

more...


Now, it is known that Bush and Cheney would like to "finish the job" and complete their hat trick of 3 invasions before they leave office - Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran, but unfortunately the US military has been so worn down by the attrition of Iraq that it is presently in no state to mount a sustainable invasion of Iran. Furthermore, it makes sense to take the time to digest the gains already made before moving on to the next campaign. This will involve straightening out the security situation in Iraq, at least regarding the protection of US military personnel and the oil company operatives who are waiting in the wings to exploit the territories' oil wealth. Then the military can regroup and prepare themselves for pastures new. In the meantime the "easy" option of heavy bombing of Iran, designed to weaken it militarily and neuter it economically, with the aim, sooner or later, of moving in to seize at least the south-western corner of the country, where the vast bulk of Iran's oil is located, remains on the table. The eventual aim is thought to be to gain control of the country as part of the long-term strategic goal of surrounding Russia, possibly by subverting the government and installing a US-friendly puppet regime, along the lines of the color coded governments such as the orange one in the Ukraine - a new Shah of Iran perhaps?

www.gold-eagle.com

I have a question.
Why would Iran attack Israel?

And fellow Jews who were trusties were some of the cruelest in the camps as well

I guess so. Wouldn't we.

Rastacyborg,

Sheer, unadulterated hatred of Jews...for the same reason Hitler did.....They've said they would, so I think it's prudent to assume they'd like to.

when did they say they wanted to kill the jews?


I have a question.
Why would Iran attack Israel?

Posted by RastaCyborg at 2008-05-02 03:23 PM


First of all they support the proxies which do their dirty work. Those same proxies which you refuse to accept have killed Americans simply for being Americans. Second Iran delcared war on the US in 1979 the day they stepped foot on American soil. Had your gutless hero Carter had half the balls of Hillary Iran would be nothing more than sand.

U.S. global resourse hegemony has a nice ring to it. I like it, it must be Cheney's idea.


Imagine if we nuked Iran and controlled both Iraqi and Irani oil reserves. We could more readily maintain our economy with oil for us at $10 per barrel.

Thank you Jesus.

Posted by Johnson

You have got to be the biggest dumbass on the DR!! We can't even handle Iraq and Afghanistan, and, do you really think that Russia would just let us do all this shit without raising cain??? Stop posting bullshit and go back to 2nd grade geography!

WORD

Posted by Fredo


Johnson, I am sorry...there is one more retarded than you and it is Fredo. Of course, Fredo was also the slow, retarded one in the Godfather movies as well.

Our oil companies found the oil in the Mideast originally. It should be ours anyway. We paid them 25 cents a barrel then. That seems fair.

Too bad we can't run our cars on hot air, I could fill up for weeks in here.

In Gaza they run their cars on cooking oil.

Look, Iran has company

" China has secretly built an underground nuclear submarine base in the South China Sea, posing a new threat to powers in the region, the Daily Telegraph has reported."

Are they going to bomb China ?

That's like the taliban objecting to Afghanistan mis-treating their taliban prisoners, while they kill all of their prisoners!

First of all they support the proxies which do their dirty work. Those same proxies which you refuse to accept have killed Americans simply for being Americans. Second Iran delcared war on the US in 1979 the day they stepped foot on American soil. Had your gutless hero Carter had half the balls of Hillary Iran would be nothing more than sand.

Posted by crispee_oc


So, you're saying they wouldn't attack Israel, they would fund terrorist organizations to do their dirty work. Meanwhile, it's well known that Saudi Arabians support terrorist networks and that state run Saudi television stations have had telethons to raise money for the families of suicide bombers. But nobody ever criticizes them. In fact, junior just sold them billions of dollars in weapons. And to top it off, you have barely a shred of evidence to support your claim that Iran has any more connection to islamist terror groups than any other country in the region.
Why can't you accept the fact that the main criterium for getting on Dubya's Axis of Evil list is the belief that a country should control its own natural resources (oil)?
We're still waiting to hear about all the Americans that Iran has killed.

Second Iran delcared war on the US in 1979 the day they stepped foot on American soil.

So then I assume you also believe that the US declared war on Iran in 1953 when the CIA deposed their elected government and installed the Shah as dictator?

That's like the taliban objecting to Afghanistan mis-treating their taliban prisoners, while they kill all of their prisoners!

Posted by DavetheWave


How is it like that?

Rastacyborg,

Sheer, unadulterated hatred of Jews...for the same reason Hitler did.....They've said they would, so I think it's prudent to assume they'd like to.

Posted by jonryker


HAA HAAA HAAAA!
Because they're eeeeeeevvvviiillll!!!
When did they say they were going to attack Israel?

Let me propose a hypothetical situation to all the paranoid "bomb Iran crowd".
Suppose a foreign power, say China, backed a military coup in this country and installed a military dictator to run the U.S. Let's say we lived under this dictator for 26 years until we finally revolted and got rid of the bastard. What do you think we'd do with the people we captured in the Chinese embassy?

How about a second hypothetical: Suppose a foreign power, say Israel, attacked an unarmed, easily identified US Navy ship killing 34 and wounding over 170 US Navy personnel and then lied saying it was an accident and their eagle-eyed pilots weren't able to see the 30 foot US Flag flying from the ship. Now some skank wants the US to 'defend' that nation from another foreign power because the righty-tighties believe a lot of neocon propaganda and she want's their votes.

That's not a fair question. There isn't a politician alive in this country that could say no to any request from Israel.

If it came to a choice of every every woman and child in the states of Illinois, North Carolina and Montana or cutting off financial aid to Israel, our gutless politicians would be fighting each other for positions on the firing squads.

choice of shooting every.....

Axe,
On this board criticism of Israel equals anti-semitism.

Rasta,

No shit, Sherlock?

(I get a kick back from GZ. Unless he posts a couple hundred lines a week, his Mossad masters get pissed and don't pay him. This should be good for at least a thousand lines of plagiarized drivel.)

Memo to Danny & Bonnie:

If and when the US and the Isrelis go to war with
Iran it will be horrible (as all wars are).

But it beats the shit out of the alternative:
A NUCLEAR Iran.

Perhaps you two can hold hands and sing "give peace
a chance" on your way to the Islamic gas chambers.

I would rather make war with Iran and take my chances.

Dean,

Were you born yesterday? Don't you realize that these assholes feeding you propaganda about Iran are the same bunch that told you Iraq had WMD.

Are you really a stupid as that? Get thee to an abattoir, sheep!!!

Dufus Axe....Iraq did have WMD.

Posted by RastaCyborg at 2008-05-02 02:48 PM

You're right Johnson. In fact it was pretty wimpy of Hillary to say we'd nuke them if they attacked Israel. She should have said "We'll nuke the fuck out of you whenever we feel like it".

Well, I would hope that she would use more temperate language, but you seem to understand the program. We'll do what we will when we will as it suits our purposes.

Posted by jsprague at 2008-05-02 08:56 AM

Johnson, you are most certainly going to hell if there is one.. Any god would be ashamed of your ignorance and hate.

Man proposes. God disposes.

I see that you've put your idea in God's suggestion box. We'll see if he takes you up on it.

You don't seem to have read the Bible since if you had, you'd consider me a moderate compared to actions that occurred from obedience to the instructions that issued from God.

Posted by RastaCyborg at 2008-05-02 06:27 PM

So then I assume you also believe that the US declared war on Iran in 1953 when the CIA deposed their elected government and installed the Shah as dictator?

Whatever your rationale for the continuing conflict, it's okay. It can be 1953, or their invasion of our embassy in 1979.

All was quiet on the Iranian Front, but now it's heating up again. Let's get it on.

Posted by geezer1 at 2008-05-02 04:00 PM

You have got to be the biggest dumbass on the DR!! We can't even handle Iraq and Afghanistan, and, do you really think that Russia would just let us do all this shit without raising cain??? Stop posting bullshit and go back to 2nd grade geography!

The reason we are having difficulty in Iraq is because we have exercised such restraint in use of force. Otherwise we would not have prolonged the engagement.

We can finish them off in three months time, and then enjoy the benefit of control and use of the oil resources to repay us for our efforts.

Russia can "raise cain" and obtain the same result that the "world community's" pressure on China to change its policy in Tibet is having.

Get real.


Posted by geezer1 at 2008-05-02 04:04 PM

Johnson, I am sorry...there is one more retarded than you and it is Fredo. Of course, Fredo was also the slow, retarded one in the Godfather movies as well.

Gosh geezer, an Indian giver.

Here I've always wanted to excel. My accomplishment is recognized by you. And now you retrieve the accolade.

Oh well. Such is life.

Posted by axe at 2008-05-02 07:02 PM

That's not a fair question. There isn't a politician alive in this country that could say no to any request from Israel.

If it came to a choice of every every woman and child in the states of Illinois, North Carolina and Montana or cutting off financial aid to Israel, our gutless politicians would be fighting each other for positions on the firing squads.

Quite a fantasy life you live, axe.

Your world view is interesting. Why don't you publish a more comprehensive assemblage of your ideas so we can appreciate their coherence. Who needs Krafft-Ebing, when they've got the ruminations of axe.

Gosh, who needs neurotic patients concerned regarding their personal interrelationships, when full-blown paranoids are available to share their grandiose conceptions.

What's your personal role in this equation, axe? Are you merely an observer, a participant-observer, or are you the one around whom this whole scenario is centered? Ecce homo.

Bani at 2008-05-02 03:21 PM

Well Bani, are you for us or against us?

JOHNSON,

"We'll do what we will when we will as it suits our purposes."

I'm going to carve that in stone.

Well Bani, are you for us or against us?

Us???? Who the hell is us?

We certainly cann't consider a knuckle dragging monkey(johnson) as a actual person. There is nothing of any value from the dweeb.

"Well Bani, are you for us or against us?"
Posted by Johnson

Translation: Well Bani, are you a neo-Nazi or not?

Null,

The neo-Nazis wouldn't have the racist cock sucker Schlong-boy if you paid them. Johnson's only friend in the whole world is GZ and he only keeps Johnson around for his utility as a butt plug.

Yeah, this character with the handle of "Johnson" sure is a psycho.

Even before this article came out, I was thinking the next president will attack Iran.
They are giving the impression, they want war. I think the next president will have the guts to go to war with them but I don't think Bush wants another war.

Face it.

Hillary has more balls than half of you liberal apologists.

She was correct to send Iran a message.

Mato-
The message was not to Iran, but to you. That Iran would hear it has nothing to do do with why the message was sent, or did it even factor in to the calculus of the Clinton campaign. They were talking to you, and it worked quite well. Fuck it if it was helpful or harmful to our position in the ME, I can guarantee that that never entered your pretty little head, or theirs.

Mato-
The message was not to Iran, but to you. That Iran would hear it has nothing to do do with why the message was sent, or did it even factor in to the calculus of the Clinton campaign. They were talking to you, and it worked quite well. Fuck it if it was helpful or harmful to our position in the ME, I can guarantee that that never entered your pretty little head, or theirs.

Posted by BetelG


Please tell me your not that naive.

Please tell me your a freshmen in college swept in the fervor of your first political process.

Please tell me your blinded by the idealistic truisms that steel your soul.

Please oh please!

If not, your just a fool. Soiled by the piss in your pants.


You did nothing to refute any of the salient points, mato.

You did nothing to refute any of the salient points, mato.

Posted by Alexandrite


...and he never will. Idiots like Mato, Crispee and Johnson will believe the bullshit until they're dead.
Why bother?
If I had any brains, I'd be in the business of separating them from their meager funds like Limbaugh and Coulter.

If you enjoyed the lat seven years, vote either Clinton or McCain for more of the same...

If you enjoyed the lat seven years

There's a term for those people: folie a plusieurs

The moonbats running Iran believe that if they cause a big enough war that Allah will send a great Islamic leader that will defeat the enemies of Islam all over the world. I don't think they care when Israel or the US threatens them. That's what they want.

I don't think they care when Israel or the US threatens them. That's what they want.

So that means it is their fault if the US and Israel attack? It's appalling how so many can be fooled by the WMD charge again.


"Well Bani, are you for us or against us?"
Posted by Johnson



Translation: Well Bani, are you a neo-Nazi or not?

Posted by nullifidian


ff

If not, your just a fool. Soiled by the piss in your pants.


Posted by Mato at 2008-05-03 01:35 AM


tell me you don't actually still read the rantings of crazy man Johnson?

how funny!

ps (we think he works for the Pentagon)

Very, very complex subject. Just like how to deal with the absolutely implausible scenario if Iran nukes Israel.
Posted by furio

Complex?
Iran doesn't have nukes.
Israel has nukes.
So why is everyone asking what would happen if Iran nuked Israel.
They (Israel) have nukes yet they (Israel) are the victims?
ALWAYS the victims.
Jesus. (Sarcastically)

Next everyone's gonna claim it was the USA's fault the USS Liberty was attacked, and THEN covered up!

Oddly enough the SUA's economy is in the crapper and Israel's looks like the exact opposite:

www.ft.com

Hillary Clinton is no Margret Thatcher!


Next everyone's gonna claim it was the USA's fault the USS Liberty was attacked, and THEN covered up!


Posted by BobOtto

Did Admiral McCain did his best to make it look that way?:>)

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