We should let the peaceful ones out like this one.

WTF is a Kuwaiti doing suicide bombing for? I thought they were rich, am I wrong?

This will undoubtedly cause all kinds of vitriol on both the left and the right.

My question: will all of those men (who we detained for years and then let go) now be determined to seek revenge by becoming suicide bombers?

WTF is a Kuwaiti doing suicide bombing for? I thought they were rich, am I wrong?

So were the 15 saudis on 9-11. Just their way of saying thank you for protecting them from that bad old Saddam guy.

What came first, the chicken or the egg? Was he always a suicide bomber or did his stay in Chateau Gitmo create a brand new suicide bomber?

"WTF is a Kuwaiti doing suicide bombing for? I thought they were rich, am I wrong?"

Posted by Scrumplet

uhmmm... maybe it had something to do with being held in gitmo for years without charge?

Apparently he was not waterboarded quite enough. Turn up the faucet, Gunther!

I wish truthhurts was held at Gitmo and then released.

YEAH!

Obviously The Democrats have Failed at Spreading Democracy! The question now is when do we Invade so we can throw More American Tax Dollars at them!

Sincerely

The "conservative" Bush Cult

Who really knows exactly what goes on behind the walls of Gitmo. Maybe he was training for his next assignment. Maybe he was being reprogrammed and given his next assignment.

They clearly released the wrong guy. Even if they were innocent when they came in, they won't be once they're released.
The moral of the story: Kill them all.

We can always count on cowardly democrats, the ACLU, and lib judges to undermine our country. Obama agrees with them and that is why he doesn't wear the American flag lapel pin.

""A friend of Abdullah Saleh al-Ajmi in Iraq informed his family""

""He did not say when the suicide bombing happened.""

So, really we have his friend's word for it but nothing else. It could be true or it could he could have made it up for some reason.

Who really knows exactly what goes on behind the walls of Gitmo. Maybe he was training for his next assignment. Maybe he was being reprogrammed and given his next assignment.

Posted by Lipzoidial

Ooooo.. that's a diabolical thought! Where is Robert Ludlum when you need him?

"We can always count on cowardly democrats, the ACLU, and lib judges to undermine our country"

Sincerely

Saddam Hussein

"We can always count on cowardly democrats, the ACLU, and lib judges to undermine our country"

Sincerely

Saddam Hussein

I wish truthhurts was held at Gitmo and then released.

Posted by 101Chairborne


if you want me to fuck you you just have to ask.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-05-01 01:01 PM

uhmmm... maybe it had something to do with being held in gitmo for years without charge?

if you want me to fuck you you just have to ask.

Posted by truthhurts at 2008-05-01 01:30 PM | Reply


What an odd response.

you seemed obsessed with me, bringing me into a thread I was not involved in.

"They should all be executed as a deterrent to their future terrorist activities"

YEAH!

Says the Middle Eastern Guy in the Hood Who Shoots People in the Head Before Sporting Events!

"They should all be executed as a deterrent to their future terrorist activities"

YEAH!

Because Obviously Torturing them isn't Working to convince them our way is better!

Why don't we Just Abolish Democracy and the Rule of Law in Order to Make Sure you "feel" Safer!

Posted by truthhurts at 2008-05-01 01:30 PM

if you want me to fuck you you just have to ask.

If you tortured Johnson non-stop fer years he would either suicide himself right away upon release or become one of these not so smart bombs as in this story.

That's human nature, innit?

Sleep deprivation, time suspension, stress positions, prolonged exposure to heat and cold, drugs, hooding, the use of dogs to inspire terror, sexual humiliations, beatings, waterboarding.

The types of torture practised at Gitmo has been honed over decades to turn an individuals brain into mush and to seperate them from reality.

Some folks at Gitmo got so desperate they tried to sharpen their fingernails enuff to slit their wrists.

Imagine that.

The fact that some of those folks released from the place are only thinking of revenge should not suprise anyone.

If the AQ/Taliban types really wanted to turn US and world opinion against the war in those countries it would make sense to capture more prisoners alive and then release tapes of them under "enhanced interogation techniques" as practised at Gitmo and those black sites.

That'd do the trick a lot quicker than IEDs and occasional suicide bombers methinks.

Often wondered why it aint happened yet.

Be Well.

If the AQ/Taliban types really wanted to turn US and world opinion against the war in those countries it would make sense to capture more prisoners alive and then release tapes of them under "enhanced interogation techniques" as practised at Gitmo and those black sites.


That'd do the trick a lot quicker than IEDs and occasional suicide bombers methinks.


Often wondered why it aint happened yet.

Be Well.

Posted by dethspud at 2008-05-01 01:44 PM |


Maybe because they would rather behead and dis- member.

Anyone else get creeped out when the read Jhonson's posts?

Posted by Redneckville at 2008-05-01 01:38 PM

Because Obviously Torturing them isn't Working to convince them our way is better!

Why don't we Just Abolish Democracy and the Rule of Law in Order to Make Sure you "feel" Safer!

I gather that he's a male and you're a male, so your proposition would indicate that you're a homosexual, who is out of the closet? And you're an exhibitionist also. Hmm. Multiple deviancy. Well, whatever turns you on. You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself. Good luck cruising.


Posted by Johnson



you should direct your comments about deviancies to 101 and his truthobsession

since truth hurts I guess that makes him a truth S&M

"Anyone else get creeped out when the read Jhonson's posts?"

Of course. He comes across as a psycho with an endless list of people he wants executed, bombed, tortured, etc. There isn't a post of his that would be out of place at Stormfront.org.

Anyone else get creeped out when the read Jhonson's posts?

You read Johnson's posts? Silly rabbit.

Anyone else get creeped out when the read Johnson's posts?

~Salaryman

Like Spinal Tap's amplifiers, Tiny Johnson's creep factor goes up to 11.

Be Well.

/PS: Spud knows the phrase "salaryman" as a Japanese term fer businessman are you by chance a Japanese businessman or sommat.
//Don't hafta answer that, of course, Spud's just being nosy.
///Spud'll do that from time to time.
////Woo Hoo! Slashies RULE!

WE don't torture--

They let go of this guy and shouldn't have. He was rightfully detained and should have stayed there--because his actions show he was dangerous.

I hope the attorney who got him out is celebrating.

Murphy

They clearly released the wrong guy. Even if they were innocent when they came in, they won't be once they're released.
The moral of the story: Kill them all.

Posted by 101Chairpoodle

I'm just curious Chairpoodle, do you pretend to be a christian in the real world?

Okay Murphy, you seem to have gathered a huge amount of knowledge from this 3 paragraph story.
Inform us.
Where was he arrested?
What was he doing when he was arrested?
Why wasn't he charged with a crime?

Does it matter Rasty?

It is the same story for all the detainees--who are all going to get out with the help of attorneys who have no business with enemy combatants and getting them out.

Murphy

Spud,

No not Japanese I just ran across that term somewhere. The joke is on me tho as I thought is was more synonymous with wageslave, but a quick search reveals that it seems to have a middle management connotation.

whada ya gonna do?

Does what matter?
The people on this site who keep whining that liberals and lawyers want to free everyone in Gitmo cannot, for some reason, understand a simple concept.
Nobody wants the detainees freed if they're really criminals.
CHARGE THEM WITH A CRIME IF THEY'RE GUILTY. LET THEM GO IF THEY'RE NOT.
It's not rocket science.

We should have killed him over here so that he couldn't have killed over there.

Posted by dethspud at 2008-05-01 01:44 PM

That'd do the trick a lot quicker than IEDs and occasional suicide bombers methinks.

Often wondered why it aint happened yet.

What should we have killed him for, Dorkfish?
Oh, that's right, you have no clue what he did to get arrested.

blah blah blah
whole lotta nothin'
blah blah blah
-Johnson

You folks have to realize that some of the discussion on this site will get you an room with a view at Gitmo, in the coming police state.

Be careful when you say we should kill someone because we disagree with his idealology. If he were truly guilty of crimes against the US, we should prove it in a court of law.

Oh, I forgot, the patriot act by-passes all that botherosme due process.

Posted by RastaCyborg at 2008-05-01 02:09 PM

Nobody wants the detainees freed if they're really criminals.
CHARGE THEM WITH A CRIME IF THEY'RE GUILTY. LET THEM GO IF THEY'RE NOT.
It's not rocket science.

"Rather than demolishing an area with artillery and rocket fire...."

JOHNSON--It would be useless just telling you the reasons why this would not work---It's clear you don't have the background education to understand those reasons.

Yes, that's an insulting statement, but also quite accurate. You need to consider that warfare is a lot more than a choice of PC versus Not-PC.

We should have killed him because he's a terrorist piece of shit, Rustytromborg. They and their sympathizers such as you should be hung from a tree with your own nut sacks stuffed in your mouths. At least it would keep your verbal whining to a minimum. It's a dream I have.....

Their "crime" was being an enemy combatant.

Don't read much do you?

This "in-group," "out-group" differential applies throughout all societies that have protections and benefits for in-group members that are not available to others.

Adolf Johnson, cause the jews were soooo out-group.

But President Obama should never have released this guy. Oh wait.....

Really Dorkfish? What terrorist act did he commit?
Why wasn't he charged and sentenced to life in prison?

Apparently Dorkfish believes that people who are in favor of due process should be strung up in a tree with their nutsack in their mouth. You'd do well in the taliban, dorkfish. If you hate the ideals that this country was founded upon perhaps you'd feel more at home in Saudi Arabia.

I'm just curious Chairpoodle, do you pretend to be a christian in the real world?

Posted by RastaCyborg at 2008-05-01 01:58 PM | Reply


No.

Before killing all of the mutts I want them to be stacked in pyramids with barking dogs in their faces.
Then they should all be shot in place.

"We should have killed him because he's a terrorist piece of shit,"

If they run they are "terrists". If they do not run they are well disciplined "terrists".

Is that how you see it cooky?

Posted by Zed at 2008-05-01 02:24 PM

It's clear you don't have the background education to understand those reasons.

Yes, that's an insulting statement, but also quite accurate. You need to consider that warfare is a lot more than a choice of PC versus Not-PC.

When you're in a war, win it if you can.

Gotta go now. Later.

VERY INEFFICIENT, Poodle. But I'm glad you're not a pretend christian like most of your conservative brethren.

"I suggest to you I do have the background and experince to make such an observation...."

Great. Here's your chance to prove that. List all the ways your ideas about waging war in Iraq might end up being counter-productive for your side. Just a mental exercise.

I can think of five just off the top of my head. When you can also list five, let's talk.

Posted by northguy3 at 2008-05-01 02:28 PM

Adolf Johnson, cause the jews were soooo out-group.

But President Obama should never have released this guy. Oh wait.....

"The Jews were members of German society...."

Not according to the German government of the time.

We can always count on cowardly democrats, the ACLU, and lib judges to undermine our country. Obama agrees with them and that is why he doesn't wear the American flag lapel pin.

Posted by fwthom at 2008-05-01 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag

John McCunt hasn't been wearing his flag pin lately. Yet,the news doesn't really seem to ask him much about it. I guess McCunt is now a commie.

I hope our first lady really isn't going to be woman who will such a bad role model for young women everywhere (McCunts 2nd wife).......what with her being a drug addict and all.....I really don't think that stealing drugs from a clinic for the poor and then evading jail because your blowing a senator is really the right message to send to our children. Think about the children!

When you kill a fuckload of gooks, or any enemy of the USA, you get a pass on the lapel pin.
Killing a couple of 40's on the front porch doesn't count.

So, really we have his friend's word for it but nothing else. It could be true or it could he could have made it up for some reason.

Dannis doubts the story, but just throw out the slightest hint of a possible disparaging remark about a Republican and she's all over it like a chicken on a June bug.

We love your unbiased objectivity, Danni. May I use your quote "it could have been made up" in the future to defend a Republican?

Classic. Goatman chastising someone for failing to be objective. Kettle, meet pot.

Kettle meet pot. Clever.

"Obama agrees with them and that is why he doesn't wear the American flag lapel pin.

Posted by fwthom at 2008-05-01 01:20 PM"

Fucking Dweeb Flag.

Is Murphy the dumbest DR poster? Or just the dumbest woman DR poster?

Three posts in a row from Montecore that simply are simply denigrations of other posters.

My mom used to tell me:

Small minds insult people
Average minds discuss events
Great minds create ideas.

Goat,

Smart mom. That was Eleanor Roosevelt, though when she said it, "discuss" was the verb in all three.

Smart mom. That was Eleanor Roosevelt, though when she said it, "discuss" was the verb in all three.

I never knew the origion of that quote. Thanks for that. Thanks for the correct version, too. I liked it a lot too and quoted it to my son as well.

this should suggest something to the bleeding hearts

When you kill a fuckload of gooks, or any enemy of the USA, you get a pass on the lapel pin.
Killing a couple of 40's on the front porch doesn't count.

Posted by 101Chairborne

Classy!!! Sounds like poodle's killed a couple 40's this afternoon.

this should suggest something to the bleeding hearts

Posted by mcduff

...yeah, like maybe if this guy was a criminal, he should have been charged with a crime and sentenced to prison.

...or if he wasn't a criminal, maybe it suggests that people who are unfairly imprisoned and tortured for years become resentful, vengeful and violent.
Is that too complicated?

Who really knows exactly what goes on behind the walls of Gitmo. Maybe he was being reprogrammed and given his next assignment.

Posted by Lipzoidial

I'm sure you've got it right. He just got lost when he was on his way to the US congress.

Are you a retard for even thinking that?

Rast,

He was not a criminal - he was an enemy combatant caught on the field of war. He is not a citizen of the US nor was he in the US on a legal visa so he should not be offered the rights of Citizens.

He was also not in uniform when he was captured. As such the Geneva Conventions do not apply to him (they can be found on the web) and therefore he can (and should have been) summarily executed as a spy after he was interogated.

All the "Blame America First" crowd and its Anti - Gitmo group caused him to be released...just think.... he had to be one of the better behaved ones to get out.

When we give citizen rights to those who it does not belong it cheapens the meaning of being a citizen of the US.
Releasing these guys will just cause more of the same. Shoot them all and be done with it.

Are you a retard for even thinking that?

Posted by Sniper at 2008-05-01 05:13 PM

do you even think...

How do you know whether he would have done this had we not taken him and held for years and tortured him.

Think that had any effect at all on his decision making process?

Or do you think at all with that Lizard Brain of yours?

butterflies...

Shoot them all and be done with it.

Posted by foshaffer at 2008-05-01 05:26 PM

ahh yes the "shoot them all and let God sort them out theory"...


De-evolution in action...

I can see you all have really thought this problem though well.

Anyone else get creeped out when the read Jhonson's posts?

You read Johnson's posts? Silly rabbit.

Posted by r8rh8r at 2008-05-01 01:54 PM


FF!

All the "Blame America First" crowd and its Anti - Gitmo group caused him to be released...just think.... he had to be one of the better behaved ones to get out.

When we give citizen rights to those who it does not belong it cheapens the meaning of being a citizen of the US.
Releasing these guys will just cause more of the same. Shoot them all and be done with it.

Posted by foshaffer

HA HA HA!!! Yeah, the "Anti Gitmo" army invaded and released him. Or maybe the incredibly powerful "Anti Gitmo" lobby threw some of it unlimited financial resources and power around in Washington and sprung this guy.
Are you really this delusional?
...and foreigners do enjoy the rights that we have while they're in our custody. And rightly so.

do you even think...

How do you know whether he would have done this had we not taken him and held for years and tortured him.

Think that had any effect at all on his decision making process?

Or do you think at all with that Lizard Brain of yours?

butterflies...

Posted by donnerboy at 2008-05-01 05:29 PM | Reply |

Evidence that he was tortured?

"Evidence he was tortured....?"

Any indication Bush will let us look for evidence, Kemosabe?

A number of Gitmo alumni have described being tortured. That would include some later determined to be innocent.

The Bush administration alleges that Guantanamo detainees are served 'ethnically-sensitive' meals. Gitmo is likewise required to provide health care AND opportunities for inmates to exercise. Also, detainees are (supposed to) each be issued Korans and be given requisite time for religious practices.

I can only believe that these accommodations were not (and are not now) being satisfied.

Is there no end to the Bush-Cheney cruelty?

Stop the torture at Guantanamo Bay!

Just More Bush B.S.!!!

There are no facts in this media report! So this is just more phony news/propaganda created by the Bush Regime especially to "justify" their kidnapping,illegal detention and torture of all the innocent people they've imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay!

That was my suspicion too Cadillac. All these people posting away as if this story is a documented fact when that couldn't be less true. They do it to us all the time, the media gives us a story and we, like sheep, begin discussing it on command.

A question for our dr left, what would you do with enemy combatants, give them a US trial? You are f'in irrational....

Dave-
Wouldn't it be better to wait for some answers before you provide a stupid one and then condemn it?

Posted by Zed at 2008-05-01 06:59 PM

Any indication Bush will let us look for evidence, Kemosabe?

A number of Gitmo alumni have described being tortured. That would include some later determined to be innocent.

This story is a shining example of how the US prison system works. You arrest everyone who even slightly looks like a criminal or lives in a criminal area. Then they go to prison and learn how to be a real criminal. Then you release them to create havoc and therefore justifying the need for higher police budgets and more restriction of freedoms.
I guess Bush was telling the truth when he spoke of his plan to export our way of life.

Johnson-
re: "Innocence was not established."

"By the way, the Gitmo types have been trained from textbooks that instruct them to make false allegations of torture and other mistreatment. Now, I would commend, not condemn, our people for using techniques that secured information, and then I'd dispose of the captives, not release them."

You'd make a good German circa 1936.

Another VICTORY for the democrats, freed "freedom fighters" and more Dead "Terrorists" of the American Army..Way to go Democrats...You must be so proud

HillBilly-
You did us all a great disservice by backing Bush, the worst president ever. We're borrowing money from Red China to pay for his tax cuts and his war, and even that little show of his "Mission Accomplished" bullshit five years ago. It's only because you have a caricatured version of the left that you would even post anonymously with bullshit like that.

You, by all rights, should be ashamed.

HillBillyJihad reminds me once again why it is I believe that on the whole, rightwingers are a lot stupider than liberals. I don't even know where to begin criticizing the mindset represented by his post above.

"Many (Gitmo prisoners) were released under political pressure (from foreign governments)...."

So, none of those released were innocent? And their governments didn't care, but wanted them released anyway? Because those governments are evil?

But who was it that then released these men under "political pressure"? Wasn't that our government? Specifically George Bush?

So, Bush must also be evil? Or just a very weak man that gives into evil?

You guys are oblivious to contradictions. That makes you rubes. A bit of blog-bloodthirstiness does not compensate for that.

Bush tried to take it to the terrorist ans =d murderers and like typical lefties the first thing you thought is "Oh No.. I might actually have to fight for something, What will happen if I cannot get my latte?, what will I do if I don't have pot to put in my bong? Who will protect my pathetic little whiney existence." I have to protest, I have to stop this, It must be Bush is a bad man, it is America's fault..Yeah..That's it, I will look like a compassionate intellectual and at the same time get to keep living my pukey life as if no one else exists..that is is ..Where is my "Bush is Hitler" sign...Time to "fight" for my right to be a coward


Does that about cover it?

"Who will protect my pathetic little whiney existence....?"

Well, logic dictates that the more pathetic you are, the more competent you'd want your protection to be.

So we whiners would never be in a position to choose Bush to protect our quivering asses, fearing he might slip on a banana peel while toting that shotgun and inadvertently blow out heads off.

Which, you know, is pretty much what's happened.

Hillbilly-
re: "Bush tried to take it to the terrorist ans =d murderers and like typical lefties the first thing you thought is "Oh No.. "

How many of the hijackers were from Iraq, and when was the last time you saw Bush walking through the rose garden hand in hand with a Saudi Royal? (Hint - it wasn't that long ago and if you missed the photos I can hook you up)

Hey guys, HillyBilly is a stupid dipshit. Why waste your time responding to his posts?

Bush tried to take it to the terrorist ans =d murderers and like typical lefties the first thing you thought is "Oh No.. I might actually have to fight for something, What will happen if I cannot get my latte?, what will I do if I don't have pot to put in my bong? Who will protect my pathetic little whiney existence." I have to protest, I have to stop this, It must be Bush is a bad man, it is America's fault..Yeah..That's it, I will look like a compassionate intellectual and at the same time get to keep living my pukey life as if no one else exists..that is is ..Where is my "Bush is Hitler" sign...Time to "fight" for my right to be a coward
Does that about cover it?
Posted by HillBillyJihad at 2008-05-01 11:32 PM

This post should be printed and posted on the doors of every Church, Mosque, Synegog, and recruiting center.

Republicans, neocons and religious fundamentalists would prefer to shoot the messenger than read the fucking memo.

"BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK WITHIN THE UNITED STATES" - what part of that is ambiguous? The "United States" part, the "Bin Laden" or "determined to attack"? This particular Presidential Daily Memo was ignored and required a special committee hearing to investigate why. Condi Rice testified, confirming it's existence, but Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and George Bush refused - doesn't that make you, your party and your president total fucking cowards? Hitleresque barely touches the atrocity these monsters loosed.

You can Always tell when you strike a nerve, or when someone like me happens upon the truth, the lefties get very upset and start name-calling, or bringing the posters intelligence into question. I love that, it shows how weak there intellect and arguments really are..

And as always 'Arise my Hillbilly Brotheren..For the Jihad is upon us"

P.S> if you think about it this is no different then there incarceration policy for criminals here, "oh, we can't keep that child molester locked up..It's not his fault, he is sick..Perhaps he had a bad childhood..perhaps he is a victim of the evil American Judicial system. That guy couldn't help himself when he killed that 52 year old store clerk for 17 dollars, he didn't have a Job because of the Bush Tyranny.." so our own criminals get out and and another 10 year old boy is raped and murderd or another store clerk trying to eek out a living is murdered by a "member of the democratic base"..again, you lefties must be so proud!!!

"...it shows how weak there intellect and arguments really are."

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort.

Hillbilly

What is the difference between a convicted criminal and a person that is being incarcerated for years without a trial? If you don't know then might I suggest that you are in the wrong country.

Salaryman,

Terrorists aren't owed trials. The simple fact is...letting this guy go killed people. Multiply that by all the people in Gitmo, and you have a situation you don't want. Of course, Bush never gets credit for violence he prevents....

Same jackasses who say capital punisment doesn't prevent crime....

So tell me jonny,

How do we go about determining who is and is not a terrorist?

"How do we go about determining who is and who is not a terrorist....?"

We lock them up. Those locked up are terrorists. I thought we decided that a long time ago.

Oh---And people not locked up?---Potential terrorists.

Awesome plan Zed,

Now how do we go about getting Jonnyrickets locked up? That would make me feel a lot safer.

but they couldn't find enough body parts to confirm this.

Most GITMO prisoners are just innocent people picked up by our "allies" which we foolishly paid a bounty for.

If you're not a terrorist going into GITMO you will be when they release you.

How many people that have been freed from death row by DNA evidence right here in the USA have gone on to become suicide bombers?

What does that say about the peaceful practitioners of the religion of pieces (or middle easterners)?

Salaryman,
Terrorists aren't owed trials. The simple fact is...letting this guy go killed people. Multiply that by all the people in Gitmo, and you have a situation you don't want. Of course, Bush never gets credit for violence he prevents....
Same jackasses who say capital punisment doesn't prevent crime....
Posted by jonryker at 2008-05-02 09:58 AM

Honestly, you have to understand that torture isn't a leisure activity - it takes time to develop your skills. Can't just fail organs left and right - you've gotta know which one will get the best result. That's why flying them home to Jordan and Egypt for "enhanced interrogation" is so useful - they know how to extract whatever they wish from their own people.

Hopefully that data won't be magically "lost" too. Our torturers deserve better than shitty Dell technology to record their successes.

Historically, torture has gotten a bad rap.:]

can we put 101 on the lock up list too? He is just an idiot troll but it would make the Internet safer for intelligent life.

Salaryman,

How do we determine who's a terrorist? As a practical matter, I don't care....How many non-terrorists do you find hanging out with terrorists shooting at soldiers or plotting to blow up markets. I really don't care if they get every one right. I want to catch the evil bastards who are killing lots of people...if a few unlucky people get caught up in it, do we actually care?

How many people who get killed in wars actually DESERVE to die? This pulling war stuff into a criminal justice setting is NONSENSE.

Scoop 'em up. Get the bad guys and don't let 'em out. Tough luck for some people...my recommendation...don't hang out with suspected terrorists in the middle of a war zone.

I don't troll when the subject is torture, gitmo, or the mutts you libs love to make excuses for.

The muslim horde needs to be thinned.

"Tough luck for some people...."

God willing, JONRYKER will find himself going down the wrong street in Pakistan one day and find himself "scooped up".

But to full establish his guilt, he should actually be driving a taxi at the time.

"If you're not a terrorist going into GITMO you will be when they release you."

Did the priests who molested little boys become pedophiles as a result of the priesthood? OR, were they already molesters before entering the priesthood?

Did the repeat offenders in our society become criminals as a result of being imprisoned? OR, were they criminals to begin with?

Did the internees from Gitmo become terrorists after they were released as a result of being interned? OR, is it possible that they were terrorists before being sent there?

I know, I know...they were peace loving Muslim family men until the evil Bush and Cheney had them imprisoned. There were absolutely NO TERRORISTS in the world until they were elected in 2000. I'm sure the poor people in our prisons are innocent peaceful men and I'm sure the Muslims in Gitmo are all wrongly accused.

"AS a practical matter, I don't care (how to determine a terrorist)...."

Quite so. If you did care your entire world view would fall apart.

The only good Indian is a dead Indian huh?

You guys have me at a disadvantage, I actually believe in truth, justice and the American way.

Fuck Arabs and muslums, they are all animals, KILL THEM ALL.

"If a few unlucky people get caught up, do we actually care...?"

If you are serious about that, JON---Then I'm going to thank God today that I am not you.

I get the feeling that Jon is ok if just about anyone with brown skin gets "snuffed out"

JON thinks he's special. Stuff only happens to other people. His intellect, beauty, and above all moral sense protect him.

Why do muslims blow themselves up so often? Why don't we see anyone else blwoing themselves up? Besides of course Obama's Weathermen guy that blew himself up while making a bomb.

You can Always tell when you strike a nerve, or when someone like me happens upon the truth, the lefties get very upset and start name-calling, or bringing the posters intelligence into question. I love that, it shows how weak there intellect and arguments really are..
And as always 'Arise my Hillbilly Brotheren..For the Jihad is upon us"
Posted by HillBillyJihad at 2008-05-02 09:35 AM

Righties are definately the more eradite, considerate and knowledgeable.

Particularly when I read:

I don't troll when the subject is torture, gitmo, or the mutts you libs love to make excuses for.
The muslim horde needs to be thinned.
Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-05-02 10:21 AM

And this classy post:

Fuck Arabs and muslums, they are all animals, KILL THEM ALL.
Posted by 08r4ever at 2008-05-02 10:27 AM

But we also have these excellent guidelines:

How do we determine who's a terrorist? As a practical matter, I don't care....
Scoop 'em up. Get the bad guys and don't let 'em out. Tough luck for some people...
Posted by jonryker at 2008-05-02 10:20 AM

As much as you bitches complain about "whiney libs" you should recognize that we're your intellectual deferment - have to fight "us" over here so you don't have to fight us over there.

YES, I doubt your ethics, intelligence, and logic but moreso am disappointed that Republican racism is alive and well.

Righties are wasteful, willfully ignorant and hopelessly racist. Perfect sandbags.

"Righties are definitely the more erudite, considerate and knowledgeable." - that makes me sick to even type.

JGA,

Clearly they are not ALL innocent. Just 80-90% of 'em.

What of the more vile traits of our citizens is their indifference to the torture and excecution of innocent people, inside and outside the fake war on terror.

There are two fronts in the real war on terror, public perceptions and police actions.

Bush, of course, has bungled both. Where is bin Laden? Is al Qaeda weaker or stronger than when the meathead started? The fucker has wasted $3-5 trillion dollars and only made things worse.

So tell me jonny, How do we go about determining who is and is not a terrorist?

Posted by Salaryman

One good clue would be if they were captured on a battlefield. Or is that too simple?

How bout we got a picture of him cutting someones head off? That is a little more dificult.

Lets stick with capture on battlefield. That would be an enemy combatant or a POW. I don't know if that makes him a terrorist or not.

Yes if they are captured on the battlefield then they should be consider POWs and treated as such. Problem is when is the war on boogie men going to be over, how will we win the fight against our own shadows?

Also it is my understanding that not all of these prisoners were captured on the battlefield. Some I believe were handed over by native allies for which a bounty was paid, for these prisoners what would you suggest?

One good clue would be if they were captured on a battlefield. Or is that too simple?

there you go again with that damn Lizard Brain...

So believe that whomever our Government says we have "captured" is a Terrorist then and deserves to go in Creedy's Black Bag forever or until the end of time?

Remember Remember the 5th of November!

And you Snippy need to find the yellow brick road and find a brain for that Tin Head of yours.

"We love your unbiased objectivity, Danni. May I use your quote "it could have been made up" in the future to defend a Republican?"

If the story is as lame as this one then by all means. This story is a joke. We already know that the government has been paying retired military guys to "sell" the Iraq war, we've had fake "journalists" within the White House Press Corps. We know that propaganda is flowing out of Iraq like water out of a faucet yet a story like this comes along, no proof, no evidence, nothing and most of y'all act as if it is a fact. No wonder this country is so fucked up, it's inhabited primarily by sheep.

Do we actually want to end suicide bombings? It is pretty easy. You simply arrest and imprison the immediate family of the 'martyr'...if they know their kids, wife, parents, brothers will be thrown in the clink if they blow themselves up, I think the bomber would think twice. And even if they don't, you would think there would be at least 1 sane immediate relative that would rat them out or the family would refuse to give them money. It would not take too many examples and this would end. Not very democratic, but effective and better than killing a bunch of people (innocent and potential terrorists).

Just ask yourself - how many bragging tapes will the suicide bomber make if they know they will be used to identify familiy members for prison? How many will blow themselves up if they know that they can not make a "bragging tape"?

Salaryman,

That's it, when you don't have a point, bring up brown skin and call someone a racist...only, I never mentioned either.

My point was simply practical...let's say, for the sake of argument, that 100 people in Gitmo don't belong there....but along with locking them up, I get to lock up the people who DO belong there....We all come out way ahead, except for freinds and relatives of the 100....still small issue compared to all the bombings and plots we prevent by locking up the bad guys. None of those other guys get to plan mass-murders or execute them, mostly on innocent Iraqi civilians at weddings and marketplaces. We're all way better off, possibly even the relatives of the 100, becausy they're less likely to be blown up...Now, I wouldn't blame