Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

On a recent visit to Italy, President Vladimir Putin was asked about a Russian newspaper report that he was divorcing his wife of many years to marry a 24-year-old rhythmic gymnast famous in Russia for her lithe beauty. Putin denied the report in his usual charming way, scolding the media "with their snotty noses and their erotic fantasies." Then the newspaper that published the rumor was shut down. A few days later, just to make sure, the lower house of parliament approved a law allowing authorities to shutter any other newspaper that dared to print such reports again.

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All you USA haters, why don't you move there and straighten that mess out? They must not have a "Bill of Rights" to fall back on.

"A few days later, just to make sure, the lower house of parliament approved a law allowing authorities to shutter any other newspaper that dared to print such reports again."

YEAH!

But try to remember this is the Guy Bush played lovy-eyes with and saw his Kindred Spirit!

However I suspect the DR Wingdings will Claim he can't be held to his words with the assertion declaring "Bush can't be Everywhere he Speaks at"!

A few days later, just to make sure, the lower house of parliament approved a law allowing authorities to shutter any other newspaper that dared to print such reports again.

But did Lil Bush look into his sole and declare him okey dokey?

I know right wing world would love the unitary executive to have the power to shutter any media outlet that dare report news that reflected poorly on the government. They must be having an orgasm over this story right now.

There's a good socialist for ya!

There's a good socialist for ya!

Posted by jonryker

Actually, that's the behavior of a dictator, and yeah, bush did look into his soul and see a kindred spirit.

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."

-George W. Bush 12/18/2000

What Putin didn't have to resort to was the somewhat circumspect method of sowing the seeds of intimidation and fear in the media until they wind up saying whatever you want them to and nothing else.

Hagbard,

No, dictators don't have to go through those sort of machinations because they've been formally given the power. Putin is not even close to being a dictator, although I'm sure he'd like to be.

You can blame Bush for supposedly "falling for Putin", although I sincerely doubt he meant what he said. If so, he was wrong. I doubt he was fooled. It's not like he and Putin have gotten along well.

No, what you have in the USSR is the product of nearly 80 years of the best socialism has to offer....what do you get, a march toward dictatorship...That is the inevitable outcome of formal socialism....Once you grant the needs of groups and the State ahead of those of the individual, you will inevitably have a guy or small group of guys, and its always guys, install themselves as "The State"...It's an in-built feature of Socialism....Marx just didn't understand the world well enough to understand that....Stalin, Hitler, Pott, and Castro did.

Maybe Bush can look into Putins soul an find out how Democracy is being set forth in Russia. Could this be another Blunder by this Administration? just asking.......

"You can blame Bush for supposedly "falling for Putin", although I sincerely doubt he meant what he said. If so, he was wrong. I doubt he was fooled. It's not like he and Putin have gotten along well."

YEAH!

Chris Riley, St. Joseph County GOP chairman, tells WSBT-TV. "The Republican Party stands for two basic principles: individual freedom and government accountability."

"sincerely doubt he meant what he said" "Doubt" "Fooled"?

You Don't Say, Einstein!

Putin shut down the paper, right? It wasn't the parliament. They just made it legal for anyone in the government to shut down a paper for that reason.

Dictator behavior for sure

"No, what you have in the USSR is the product of nearly 80 years of the best socialism has to offer...."

Please... you'd love to believe that we've seen the best of socialism from the USSR....

I don't need to be making a bigger profit than the next guy to get my ass out of bed in the morning and go to work. You need capitalism to get a rise out of you, that says more about you than about capitalism, communism, or socialism.

snipe,

is there a difference between criticizing something that's wrong and hating?

or since most of the world is fucked up more than we are we shouldn't try to fix anything.

Provided we win Wednesday, the old man and me are going to Moscow for the CL Final in May. We wanted to make a trip of it and stay a few days to see the sites, but those price gouging motherfuckers want 1,200 euro a night at a flea infested motel! So it's fly in, straight to the stadium, then a train to "anywhere but here" that night. The Russians are making us buy a one-day visa along with our match tickets for the privilege of watching our team at an event they lobbied for.

Michael Platani can go to hell.

The Russians are making us buy a one-day visa along with our match tickets for the privilege of watching our team at an event they lobbied for.

Right, they came to your doorstep and forced you to shell out the cash to buy those tickets.

Funny you find the fault in a nation's economic decisions rather than your misplaced values.

Skip that game and donate the money to some non-profit who fights against the russian economic policy.

In other words, put your money where your mouth is.

Once a communist, always a communist.....just ask a few of our resident DR one's if that is correct.......NULLandVOID!?

EARTH to John Ryker.....The USSR no longer exists. A large part of that former country is now known as Russia and it is no longer a Communist nation and hasn't been for a long time now. That is all.

Danni,

Tell that to the Russians who are living under it. Remember, the USSR had the word "Republic" in it.....You mean, you took the name seriously?

The USSR was nothing more than the Russian Empire with better technology. Russians are used to heavy-handed rule...That's why socialism seemed ok to them.

Redneck,

Somehow, you're linking some guy named Chris Riley to George Bush in order to make a point. I failed to see the point.

Hagbard,

I pointed the USSR out as the best laboratory experience socialism has had, as the Russians are psychologically well-suited for it. This was the best chance for socialism to work, because Russians knew nothing of freedom.. 80 years of uninterrupted and largely unapposed socialism. See what happened?

fights against the russian economic policy

Yeah, doing that too. That is what the game against Chelski--owned by a greasy russian gangster--is all about ;)

Go Liverbirds!!

"... as the Russians are psychologically well-suited for it."
Posted by jonryker

For a moment there I thought we were on the way to a reasonable argument about the pros and cons of economic theories... but what the hell was that comment supposed to mean?

"I pointed the USSR out as the best laboratory experience socialism has had"

Tell that to the Fins and the Swedes.

That little tyrant....

Time magazine made a mistake in lionizing Putin, who is not really a magnanimous person --- but a crafty tyrant with a supersize ego.

I know you liberal folks will not agree, nor will see the full picture.

Tony Blair is twice the man Putin is.

Danni,

They're not socialist...they are a welfare republic, and that's not going too well either, but still, that's totally different....There's that little matter of meaningful elections and multiple parties...

Hagbard,

Russians have always preferred the boot. The Russian Czars were more brutal than most monarchs, and Russian peasants had it worse than most peasants. Russians have always been drunken packmules....To a drunken packmule, Lenin's proposals were a step up, because he was going to give them land as long as the government could actually own it and tell them what to do with it....To them, Stalin was no worse than the Czars....Russians have learned to believe they're happy so long as they have enough vodka and an abortionist nearby for "birth control"..

Putin....Hah! Putin is like Captain Kangaroo to those people....

Even here, where people have been brutalized to the point where they can't even concieve of freedom, socialism has not worked. The thing about pack mules is, they don't work unless you make them. Inefficiency, graft, and waste is a hallmark of the Russian government, before and after Communism. They're so inefficient that the system goes bankrupt. Right now, they're floating on oil revenues....

When that ends, Russia is back to oligarchy and oblivion. We'd better have control of their nukes by the time that happens, because they sure won't be in control of them.

All you USA haters, why don't you move there and straighten that mess out? They must not have a "Bill of Rights" to fall back on.

Posted by Sniper at 2008-04-28 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Snippy,

Closed for romantic humor?

Kinda like how the righty-tighty fundamentalists want to deny a titty mag to our soldiers who are putting their asses on the line.

If you and your kind don't love our soldiers, please, feel free to leave ANYTIME!

As for the Bill of Rights, I realize your kind wants to eliminate them completely and only live under the 10 commandments. If you love your god so much, why don't you send yourself to meet him....early!

"Somehow, you're linking some guy named Chris Riley to George Bush in order to make a point. I failed to see the point."

YEAH!

Well then let me spell it out for you!

You claimed Bush "didn't mean what he said when he said he gazed into Putins Big Brown Doe Eyes and "Saw His Contemporary".

I simply provided additional evidence to back up your assertion that Bush and his "principled" Cult Doesn't Ever Mean What they Say!

See, just like you, I believe anyone who believes today's Bushed Party "Stands for two basic principles: individual freedom and government accountability" in light of the past twelve years, is a willful moron and I applaud your honesty (in admitting that Bush and his supporters are Liars and will says things they don't believe)!

Bwaaa Haaaa Haaa Ha

The bill of rights!!! You mean that old piece of paper that Bush disdains so much that he keeps forgetting about it?

What is happening over in Russia is not separate from whats happening here, it is exactly the same with the exception that Putin didn't have to start from a once proud tradition of Individualism and government accountabliity.

He started with shit and just made it worse. We used to have a good system but it is not completey shit yet, but it's getting there.

"Russia is back to oligarchy and oblivion."

Oh, and the US isn't an oligarchy....riiiight!
We have corporate lobbyiest who actually write our laws. We have politicians owned and operated by corporate lobbyists. We fight wars for corporate profits. We let corporations privatize prisons!!!
And slowly, BTW, the country is going broke just like our former partner in the Cold War.

Serious question: Should outright lies be protected by free speech? I have often thought that if liars could be somehow held accountable for outright lies perhaps we would be better off.

Oh, and the US isn't an oligarchy....riiiight!
We have corporate lobbyiest who actually write our laws. We have politicians owned and operated by corporate lobbyists. We fight wars for corporate profits. We let corporations privatize prisons!!!
And slowly, BTW, the country is going broke just like our former partner in the Cold War.

Posted by danni at 2008-04-28 01:27 PM | Reply |

Your comment is eerily reminiscent of a speech Khrushchev made in the 60s about the folly of capitalism and how corporations and special interests would eventually control the government, and how the average citizen would be left behind. Not saying his pitch was any more appealing, but a system based on absolute capitalism views the population's needs as, well, quaint.

I know right wing world would love the unitary executive to have the power to shutter any media outlet that dare report news that reflected poorly on the government. They must be having an orgasm over this story right now.

Posted by 726


Yeah, that's right, we're against anyone actually speaking there mind, 726. That is just so spot on. I wonder why it is, though, that you don't find any PC police who call themselves republican? Political correctness has beeen the biggest form of censorship that I have seen in my lifetime, and those folks are always liberal's. Imagine that.

Do you recall who was the first person in American modern time to raise the call for censoring music, and thus an art form? Tipper Gore. Another liberal, imagine that. I would love to see an example of a republican squashing speech? Maybe you'll find one but it will not be an on-going quest like political correctness is.

And who is it on this very board that we see consistently telling others how they should live or what they should drive. Hey, it's liberals again.

No "socialism" in Russia! Russian socialism fell along with the Berlin wall. Sniper snipely puts the Bill of Rights in quotes, as if it's another "socialist" institution. Fantasizing about your leaders' sex lives is a capitalist/Republican practice, achieving its nadir with Clinton here and currently experiencing some popularity in France. herm

Pancho,

Absolute capitalism is no different than anarchy. I've never proposed any such thing. I was just pointing out that 80 years of socialist governments doesn't show any success, even in places where people are predisposed toward liking it.

You can call that quaint if you want, as I know you need to feel superior. Obomba thinks religious people are quaint too...

Geewz, when oil was $20 a barrel back in 2000, Russia was an open sewer. Now that its $120, it's regained is ego and power. Now which President aided in pushing up the price of oil?

Oh, right, Bill Clinton...

CPolitical correctness has beeen the biggest form of censorship that I have seen in my lifetime, and those folks are always liberal's. Imagine that.

Yeah, corporate media concentration in guys like Rupert Murdoch and GE owning most of the media plays no role in censorship.
As for PC being all liberal, I seem to remember a lot of conservatives and talibaptists saying you can`t criticise the President. Like sniper, if you criticise any of Bush`s multitude of fuck-ups, you hate America, apparently because Bush IS America.

I would love to see an example of a republican squashing speech?

"In the most heavy-handed government attack on press freedom in more than three decades, a federal judge ordered New York Times reporter Judith Miller jailed Wednesday afternoon to force her to disclose a source to whom she had promised confidentiality."

www.wsws.org

Perhaps if you asked Valerie Plame why her book has so many blank pages.....

Plenty more of real censorship....

Virtually a bottomless pit of articles, etc. that PROVE beyond any shadow of a doubt who limits freedom of speech and the press.

that 80 years of socialist governments doesn't show any success, even in places where people are predisposed toward liking it.

Western Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, India.

Yeah, they`re all failures.

"Political correctness has beeen the biggest form of censorship that I have seen in my lifetime, and those folks are always liberal's. Imagine that."

Oh my! Ever fails to understand that his dreaded "political correctness" is really little more than being sensitive to your fellow human. Political correctness is ALWAYS voluntary and thus hardly censorship. I wonder what Ever has seen outside his/her lifetime. And I wonder liberal's WHAT.

He continues to badmouth Tipper for playing the PTA mama (I wish she hadn't) and those who suggest that driving more fuel-efficient vehicles might solve both the petrol crunch and global warming. herm

**** I was just pointing out that 80 years of socialist governments doesn't show any success, even in places where people are predisposed toward liking it. JONRYKER ******

.....Sweden, Finland, Norway, England, Canada,Holland, Belgium, Japan, France, Italy.......

......are among countries who have
1. major socialist policies
2. higher standard of living than U.S.
3. socialized public health care that has BETTER OUTCOMES than ours
4. better public education
5. more live-able cities

......Jon, Jon, Jon......you spout off so much, yet you know so little..........

Thanks, Skiz. I was just gonna say that. herm

All those failures' money is worth more than our dollars are these days. We could use some of that kind of "failure."

Sorry but Japan is not a socialist country and by the way you never want to end up in a hospital in Japan. As far as livable cities, you must be kidding. In Tokyo, MY company paid Y500,000 a month for a one bedroom apartment and everyone smokes there.

Skizziks,

None of those listed are socialist governments, so I wont' even debate the merit or lack thereof of your various points.

They have made some socialist policy mistakes, as we have, but they are not socialist states. They rely on us to make up for the gaps in their system, be it health care or education, so I don't think you can say that even those limited policies are working in any systematic sense. In any case, all their birth rates are so low (this is not by accident, but is a reflection of the social malaise they find themselves in, through their dependence on socialist policies) that they will not make a long-term impact on history. You can't buy the next generation, although some are trying.

"Standard of living" is not an objective measure of anything. If you buy everyone a yacht with tax money, whether or not they want or need one, they will have an impressive-looking asset on the balance sheet, but it has no meaning in terms of quality of life.

Russia, on the other hand, is the best surviving example of pure socialism we've had. The others have all deteriorated into bloody carnage and or financial collapse. China is abandoning socialism in order to stay solvent. France is punting the notion, after a long, serious effort to make it work. It simply doesn't reflect human nature. Most of those who've tried it know this. Those who don't know it have low birth-rates and will become insignificant.

"In the Japanese health care system, healthcare services, including free screening examinations for particular diseases, prenatal care, and infectious disease control, are provided by national and local governments. Payment for personal medical services is offered through a universal health care insurance system that provides relative equality of access, with fees set by a government committee. People without insurance through employers can participate in a national health insurance program administered by local governments. Since 1973, all elderly persons have been covered by government-sponsored insurance. Patients are free to select physicians or facilities of their choice."

Sounds like Obama's or Clinton's plan but WITH fees set by committees. What's that sound like to you TIMBCI?????

Tricky! When confronted with a list of nations that have used socialist remedies for various problems you just say...they aren't socialist....regardless of the truth of the matter. Very clever. I think we refer to it as "lying our your ass."

Danni,

I do think sometimes you'd have a better chance of making sense if I farted. Doesn't translate too well over the net, though.

They aren't socialist nations. They are democratic nations with, among many other parties, a socialist party.

Major Socialist policies - Well, given that their economies are all much smaller than ours, I wouldn't say that ANYTHING they do is major, compared to what we do.

Their health care systems don't work, which is why they send their sick rich people to us. Everybody else gets rationed health care...much more tightly rationed than ours. If we did the same, their system would collapse.

Their high school system works better than ours, but there is nothing socialist about it. Certainly, it is much more Draconian than ours, due to limited opportunity. You pass the exams in order to progress. You don't pass, you get dropped and become a neonazi, or a greenie.

They ration their college degrees, which means that they don't have nearly enough spots for their highschool graduates. They solve this problem by sending a lot of their kids to us for a college degree. If we rationed our college like they do, their system would collapse.

We also have a MUCH wider selection of degrees, and turn out much more inventive graduates in a lot of areas they don't even attempt.

So, that education system as a whole doesn't really work, although I wish we'd do something like their high school system.

More liveable cities can not be objectively measured and is quite debateable. They are certainly extremely expensive, compared to ours, particularly if you'd like to own your house.

Finally, we look at the overall health of their societies. They have much higher depression rates than we do and have drastically, critically low birthrates. This does not show a general zest for life. Their tiered class structure is still much more rigid than ours, despite (I'd say because of) their socialist policies designed to level them off.

Finally, they are starting to undo these policies, because the obviously are not working. Ireland is exploding because they essentially eliminated corporate taxes in order to get a huge influx of American businesses, who were being killed by our taxes. This has worked well. France is scrapping many of its socialist policies because they haven't worked.

Let's not forget, the only reason they could even afford to TRY these policies is because we've relieved them of most of the duty of their military spending. If they'd have had to survive through the Cold War alone, none of those policies would have been even considered, because the money would have to go to military. They only exist because of our largesse.

European countries are now faced with the massive ethnic problems we've had forever because the of the Islamic populations they imported after WWII to essentially do the work no one else wanted. They have not integrated these people, who are multiplying like rabbits, and all these societies in Europe are severely threatened by this.

They appear to lack the vitality to respond to this challenge. They certainly lack the birth rates. To that end, they are beginning to re-examine the socialist policies as perhaps being diastrous.

I'm not saying they're all gonna flip. I'm saying that these societies are not being successful, in spite of being republics, because of the malaise created by their socialist policies. Perhaps France, ever the leader over there, will lead them out. Watch for some ugliness with their Islamic underclass as a precursor to a big switchover.

Anyway, if you like them so much, why do you live here?

As for the Bill of Rights, I realize your kind wants to eliminate them completely and only live under the 10 commandments. If you love your god so much, why don't you send yourself to meet him....early!

Posted by COMMONSENSE

Somehow you have linked me to a radical fundemantal group. I'm not sure how you made that giant leap. It must be hard to breath where you are.

.....Sweden, Finland, Norway, England, Canada,Holland, Belgium, Japan, France, Italy......are among countries who have
1. major socialist policies
2. higher standard of living than U.S.
3. socialized public health care that has BETTER OUTCOMES than ours
4. better public education
5. more live-able cities

Posted by skizziks

So, what are you doing here in the crappy US?

"Finally, we look at the overall health of their societies. They have much higher depression rates than we do and have drastically, critically low birthrates. This does not show a general zest for life."

Where in the hell do you come up with such ludicrous horseshit?

Pancho,

Absolute capitalism is no different than anarchy. I've never proposed any such thing. I was just pointing out that 80 years of socialist governments doesn't show any success, even in places where people are predisposed toward liking it.

You can call that quaint if you want, as I know you need to feel superior. Obomba thinks religious people are quaint too...

Posted by jonryker at 2008-04-28 02:52 PM | Reply |

Never suggested anything of the sort in my post jon, take a pill, toke or read the fucking bible, whatever calms you down.

I was just pointing out that what was seen as a paranoid speech from the 60s given by a dictator is ringing pretty close to the truth in terms of today's politics in NA, though I think you guys have a head start on us.

What I called quaint was the way corporations qualifies the needs of society in their overall list of concerns and issues.

Though some aspects of our social system is based on socialist tendencies, there is some type of balance between the rights of companies vs. the rights of individuals, anyway, it seems more balanced than it is in the states. Its not perfect, needs some work or overhaul, but it sure as hell beats what I can observe in your country. I've used our health care system as has my family. There are some very specialized interventions that are not available in Canada, and for that some patients go to the U.S., among other countries, but the costs are covered by the system. Any life-threatening situation is fast-tracked. I've seen 4 family members go through the system for cancer treatment and the treatment was flawless. If you're waiting for elective surgery, a hip replacement the wait will be longer. If you show up at the ER with the sniffles, you might wait 8-10 hours.

You should really read up on our system as opposed to spouting right wing talking points.

Obama? Hillary? McCain? They are all the same: puppets with corporations' hands up their ass which dictate their policy and position, the last of their concerns is your welfare, they simply don't give a fuck about you. As all of this accelerates towards a dead end, you bicker about dems or repubs.

No, herm, I continue to point out that liberals wish to push their ideals and ways of life on anyone who doesn't fit their description of model living. Do you ever see a conservative telling people how they should live their life, on this board? Aside from the most heated issue around, abortion. And even then they don't tell people how to live, they simply say they shouldn't have an abortion.

We are the champions of live and let live. We don't support things like prisons or alternative energies and then say, 'not in my backyard'. We hire and associate with people of all races and ethnic backgrounds based on their character. We don't suffer from white or rich guilt because we live with clear consciences.

Liberals, at least most of them, can not claim this because they know what type of hypocrites they truly are.

"We are the champions of live and let live."

Sure you are. How's that anti-gay marriage amendment coming, why didn't you let Terri Schiavo live her life without interference, why have conservatives supported anti-marijauna laws, where was the anti-sodomy law overturned by the SC...oh yeah...conservative Texas.

"So, what are you doing here in the crappy US?"

You know when a rightie has really completely lost an argument when???? When he tells you to get out of the country if you don't like how fucked up it is. Obviously Sniper just lost.

Somehow you have linked me to a radical fundemantal group. I'm not sure how you made that giant leap. It must be hard to breath where you are.

Posted by Sniper at 2008-04-28 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Big mystery is it? I only had to read your posts.

Anyway, if you like them so much, why do you live here?

Posted by jonryker at 2008-04-28 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

That is the argument of a 12 year old. Is it recess time and you're on the schools computer?

"Serious question: Should outright lies be protected by free speech? I have often thought that if liars could be somehow held accountable for outright lies perhaps we would be better off."

Grrrreat question. I'd love to see a thread devoted to it. There are laws against libel, fraud, misrepresenting a commercial product. But does the first amendment cover political lies? Are they "free" speech or should there be a price on billing yourself as a "compassionate" conservative? Rcade: a thread tomorrow? herm

That is just so spot on. I wonder why it is, though, that you don't find any PC police who call themselves republican? Political correctness has beeen the biggest form of censorship that I have seen in my lifetime, and those folks are always liberal's.

Perhaps you can post some facts to support this claim?


Yeah, that's what I thought.

But just because someone is called out for racist, bigoted remarks then the dreaded PC Police are out in force again! Heavens what will we ever do if we cannot discriminate, act in a racist manner or be a bigot! Oh my god the world is coming to an end.

I continue to point out that liberals wish to push their ideals and ways of life on anyone who doesn't fit their description of model living.

Is that so? So those were ALL liberal religious groups seeking to have Playboy and Hustler removed from the 7/11? Who would have thought.

Those are all Liberal organizations picketing outside planned parenthood offices? Showing pictures of aborted fetuses to teenage mothers? Who would have thought?

And it is a LIBERAL whitehouse pushing its own brand of democracy onto the people of the middle east.

My god! Who would have thunk it?

"Their health care systems don't work, which is why they send their sick rich people to us."

SEND????!!!! herm

We don't support things like prisons or alternative energies and then say, 'not in my backyard'.

When you let National Grid build a nuclear plant in your backyard, please post the pictures.

What's wrong w/ our brand of democracy, 726?....Sounds like a damned good deal to me.

from the article -

Vladimir Putin was asked about a Russian newspaper report that he was divorcing his wife of many years to marry a 24-year-old rhythmic gymnast famous...for her lithe beauty....

If I were Mrs. Putin, I'd smack Vladimir up the back of his head with
a "lithe" 2 x 4 as soon as I heard that news.

'Anyway, if you like them so much, why do you live here?"

LOVE IT or leave it No. 32,893. It's been my home since 1938, I speak its language, I have community here and think the REAL patriot tries to get it back on track when it falls off the rails. Reply No. 31,876. herm

"Heavens what will we ever do if we cannot discriminate, act in a racist manner or be a bigot! "

I've always wondered who the targets of bigotry would be if the usual suspects were gone.

Maybe redheads.

Or the blue-eyed.

I've gasped at many posts here, but Ever's ode to "conservative" wonderfulness is a new milestone. You don't tell people HOW to live, Ev, you just want to assassinate those who seek a fair break. herm

Throughout history....the blue eyes and rednecks have done a pretty good job of defending themselves.

I posted redheads.

But you know what they say...throw a rock at a pack of dogs, and the one who yelps is the one who got hit.

I guess you got me there Dannigirl....you still suck though!

"you still suck though!"

That's the best you've got? Pitiful.

"Obama? Hillary? McCain? They are all the same: puppets with corporations' hands up their ass which dictate their policy and position, the last of their concerns is your welfare, they simply don't give a fuck about you. As all of this accelerates towards a dead end, you bicker about dems or repubs.

Posted by panchovilla "

Today's Moment of Clarity Award.

Nully....best sense I've seen yet. What's worse though, a socialist or a moderate Repub?

Wow that gymnast is hot! Putin is hitting that and we have Larry Craig!

oooooLarry's a friggin' embarrassment, indeed, but, being unbiased, a trait I share w/ the libdem's, I'd still vote for him over a liberal socialist. He was just trying to reach out, or under, etc.

"Obama? Hillary? McCain? They are all the same: puppets with corporations' hands up their ass which dictate their policy and position, the last of their concerns is your welfare, they simply don't give a fuck about you. As all of this accelerates towards a dead end, you bicker about dems or repubs.

Posted by panchovilla "

Today's Moment of Clarity Award. - Nulli

Only if you believe you are the center of the universe!

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