So?

The 28% noted that his important accomplishments of bringing Saddam Hussein (9/11 mastermind) to justice, vigorously defending the Constitution, and uplifting national morale greatly outweighed any of the minor stumbles of his presidency. They also noted that they'll be voting for him again this year.

and didnt they say he was doing a "Heckuva good job"

The first President in US history who is a complete Dipshit. And 28% of Americans according to this poll still support him.

Right !!

Then 28% of America is dumber than a bag of hair.

Think of it.


One out of every four people you meet today approves of Bush's performance.

One out of five people you meet today thinks the country's going in the right direction.

...Vigorously defended the constitution...
by Tigerbalm

Are you shittin' me man? There has never ever, been anyone who was more destructive to the spirit and the letter of the law of the constitution. Never, not even in other countries (except for hitler and stalin and we all know how that turned out).

And to tell the truth I don't believe it's because he is a megolamaniac or evil or something like that. I believe he is a lethal combination of low intelligence coupled with a strong need to feather his and his friends nests with dollars. to be honest I would prefer the megolamaniac, at least you would know where he is coming from.

And yet, he outperforms Congress, so long as we're paying attention to insignificant opinion polls....

Lip - I think Tigerbalm MAY have been being a bit sarcastic.

"And yet, he outperforms Congress, so long as we're paying attention to insignificant opinion polls....

Posted by jonryker"

And you view that as some sort of justification for Bush's miserable performance?

That is commonly known as the "yeahbut" deflection.

One out of ten thinks the Democrats are doing a heck-of-a job.

Yes, bush does out perform congress, it is because this do nothing congress follows lock step in with the idiot.

The democratic party will hold the majority for 2 more years and they will get thrown out on their asses because they do nothing. I like that because it is as it should be.

Time and again the democratic party gain the majority and what do they do.........nothing, not one damn thing. Throw the democratic party out of congress for good, stop wasting our time with them.

Santana,

I don't pay attention to opinion polls. They're irrelevant for actual leaders as well. See, that's what LEADERSHIP is...you do what needs to be done, regardless of what people say.

Since it's liberals who constantly bring up these polls as evidence for a poor job done, and in bringing it up, they show that the DO value opinion polls, I'm merely pointing out to them that according to THEIR highly-valued opinion polls, they should be more angry at the Democratic Congress than Bush, who, despite his imbecility, scores twice as high of an approval rating as their beloved DEMOCRATS..

Not deflection, just communicating.

Me, I didn't bring up the opinion polls, so I'm not bound by them.

It's what happens when our system of checks and balances are out of kilter, like it's been for the past almost 8 years.

Unfortunately, it's about to happen again. Only this time it will be the Democrats.

"ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY"

Since we're dealing with self-serving, power hungry politicians on both sides, I'd say it's practically a given.

And yes, that includes the omniscient Obama.

Hmmmm . . . 28%

Isn't that Nixon territory?

Wasn't it the very brave Mr. Goldwater who walked over to the White House and said, "Mr. President, it's over."

I wonder if somebody will do that again.

so i'll give 8% to the red neck bible thumpers and the 20% to their retarded inbred children who will do what ever the thumpers say.

"I wonder if somebody will do that again."

I seriously doubt it. The only ones with the courage to do it probably wouldn't get past the guards at the front door of the WH. The rest of the cowards took justice off the table.

KERRY-BOO

So how is that all dem controlled congress working out for you suckers? Not as swell as you thought.

"So how is that all dem controlled congress working out for you suckers?"

We won't know until we really have on in January.

Pretending we control the Congress is just a game played by angry Republicans. They are truth deprived.

Pretending we control the Congress is just a game played by angry Republicans.



Since the Dem "majority" in the Senate includes McCain's Brain, Lieberman, it's not much of a majority is it?

And he's twice unbeaten...that must mean they all suck.

***** Poll: Bush Approval Drops to 28% ******

......upon intensive interview, the 28% confided that they were just glad they had a president whose name was short enough to spell.........

**** Throw the democratic party out of congress for good, stop wasting our time with them.

Posted by moneywar ****

........so we should go to one party rule ??......

........like in Cuba, China, North Korea......hhmmmm......

.......but then if we did'nt have democracy anymore, who could we export it to ?......

"........so we should go to one party rule ??......"

We tried that pre-2006.

DANNI

I seriously doubt it. The only ones with the courage to do it probably wouldn't get past the guards at the front door of the WH.

Hillary might jump at the chance to closeline the white house guards just so she could deliver such a tasty message.

LOL

But you're right. It won't happened. But it was fun to think about for a moment.

Lets round up these 28% and treat them, these people must be deranged. Maybe each village in the Country need to take better care of there Village Idiot keep them off the streets. After that is all done maybe we can send the town of Crawford, Texas it's village idiot an have him stay for a visit before we send him to the Hague to stand down for WAR CRIMES against humanity....Well one can dream!!!

"Public approval of President Bush has reached a new low in the Associated Press-Ipsos poll"
===========
In the words of Dick Cheney "SO"!

Didn't Shrub bottom out at 19%?

"...uplifting national morale greatly outweighed any of the minor stumbles of his presidency."

This is why I love reading The Retort in the morning. The greater the lie ... as Joey Goebbels said. Indeed, the notion of Dub having lifted American morale is high comedy at its rarest. herm

"(O)pinion polls ...(a)re irrelevant for actual leaders. That's what LEADERSHIP is...you do what needs to be done, regardless of what people say."

More high Goebbels-style comedy. That mystique works in dictatorships, but we Murricans are SUPPOSED to have risen above it. Indeed, isn't that what 1776 was all about? herm

The first President in US history who is a complete Dipshit. And 28% of Americans according to this poll still support him.

Posted by USATrueandBlue7

And the democratic run congress has an aproval rating of about 12%. Go figure.

Looks to me that our government isn't well liked, not to mention the new stink about buracrats going wild with government credit cards. A story I haven't seen here.

And finally about that "28%": Wasn't it just 19? I think it is within my civil libertarian views at least to ask if those 28% really have the IQ to qualify for the ballot. herm

Herm,

No, that would be within your Fascist views to decide who gets to vote. I know that inalienable rights are a problem for you, but then again they were for Hitler and Stalin too.

Herm,

As far as 1776 went, the majority of American colonists were NOT in favor of war with England. Fortunately, we had LEADERS present, not sheep.

Seems there are more and more people "against" him than "with" him.

"As far as 1776 went, the majority of American colonists were NOT in favor of war with England. Fortunately, we had LEADERS present, not sheep."

So you wanna put George Washington in with Hitler and Attila, dragging the New World kicking and screaming to independence? Jon Jon Jon! herm

Ryker,
Do you still support this guy?

"Yeah, 28% is bad, but"

Another YeahBut argument of failure.

Doesn't matter. He only listens to God and Cheney. One of those actually talks to him.

see, JonRyker compares those against Bush to Stalin and Hitler. That settles it! Case closed, game over!

"........so we should go to one party rule ??......"

We tried that pre-2006.

Posted by danni

We tried that under Johnson and Carter. Is that your shinning example of full dem rule?

The democratic party will hold the majority for 2 more years and they will get thrown out on their asses because they do nothing. I like that because it is as it should be.....

Posted by moneywar

Really ? Remains to be seen if the American public forgets that a Republican congress was complicit with BushCo's criminal shenanigans.

"As far as 1776 went, the majority of American colonists were NOT in favor of war with England. Fortunately, we had LEADERS present, not sheep."

Yeah the Loyalist as they were called were the CONSERVATIVES!!! The LIBERALS were Washington, Jefferson, & Adams. So, are you happy for the LIBERALS now??????

And the democratic run congress has an aproval rating of about 12%. Go figure.


Conveniently disregarding that congress only holds a 1% majority, that excuse just might stick...

Silence,

Not quite the same brand of person, those liberals...Back then, they were willing to put their lives on the line for what they beleived. I see no such strain in today's "liberals", who are really just reactionary socialists.

Most people, though, were neither Torries nor Rebels, but simply wanted to be left out of it. Thankfully, Washington and company did not operate by opinion poll, but by principle.

Evilpollack,

Do I support this guy? My point is and always has been that clearly there have been significant errors in how the occupation was executed and perhaps in the intelligence. Competence he does not get good grades for.

My point is and has always been that there are very good reasons to fight the Terror War in Iraq. It will take quite a while to judge whether I (and Bush, for that matter) am correct in believing so. We have a lot of historical precedence for successful occupations (Korea, Germany, Japan, Panama, etc.)

Certainly, I did not expect rapid success, as it took us several years to win our own independence and several more years to put togetether a functional Republic. I have never expected Iraq to go faster than that.

So, my point is that it is too early to call the policy a failure. It is not too early to complain about poor execution of it, but having the right policy is the most important part. We are starting to execute it properly, and if we stay with it, that will pay off.

That is and has been my position about Bush. Economically, I have a big problem with how much money he spent while in office. I have a problem with the weakness of the federal response to the energy situation. I have a serious problem with what the feds have done to help ruin public education in this country. However, the Terror War is more important, and I give him credit for sticking with it when most others would have quit.

Pancho,

Sounds good, but doesn't match the stuff I read.

It is demonstrably untrue that the majority of eligible American men served in the Continental Army . That would have been a Continental Army of a couple million men, which, even if you divide it up over 7 years, could not have been fielded.

Since the armies were mostly militia, we would have fielded a much larger militia than we did, and we would have gotten French support sooner, and we would have won sooner.

Like most wars, most people just tried to stay out of it. Support did grow at times during the War, but that was due to the LEADERSHIP of those who got it going and stayed with it, regardless of opinion polls. Eventually, people saw where the wind was blowing, and got on board. Of course, it was several years after that before an actual functioning government was formed, which shows you again how united the colonies were NOT.

***** My point is and has always been that there are very good reasons to fight the Terror War in Iraq. JONRYKER *****

.....there were no terorrists in Iraq before Bush let them in.....
.....the Iraqis did not ask us to "liberate" them.....

...Therefore we had no " good reason " for attacking Iraq....

....the attack, war , and occupation are criminal acts.......war crimes......

.......why do you defend these criminals ?......

"That would have been a Continental Army of a couple million men, which, even if you divide it up over 7 years, could not have been fielded."

You're correct, it would have been VERY difficult to field an army of a couple of million men when the population of the colonies was about 2.5 million in 1776.

And yet, he outperforms Congress, so long as we're paying attention to insignificant opinion polls....

Bush is but one man, Congress is full of Republicans. How can one compete with the many, the corrupt, the GOP?

NorthGuy,

Apparently, handing control of both houses to Democrats has not improved the opinion polls concerning performance of said houses. In fact, if worthless opinion polls are to be believed, the people hate their work even more than W's....That's all...Me, I don't value opinion polls.

""Pancho,

Sounds good, but doesn't match the stuff I read. """

Ok, I'll spell it out for you: show me your sources, cause your credibility meter is below zero.

"the people hate their work even more than W's"
Posted by jonryker

In this sense, you are correct: Democrats were elected to a majority because they were expected to do something... too bad they spent the last 16 months doing c.y.a. stuff and trying to draft legislation they knew would never pass rather than showing some juevos and investigating until there wasn't a single rock left to cover anything up with. would it lead to impeachment? prolly not, but there would be no cover room left anywhere.

So yea, 50% of the country will be dissatisfied from the outset, regardless of who is in control, and the remaining dissatisfaction will come from the citizens who actually voted for these people who promised changed. the only change they delivered was ... what change have they brought?

Thanks Dems...

Pancho,

The only objections I voiced were purely mathematical and self-evident.

If over half of the eligable men served in the Continental Army, that would have meant that, if that statement was true, the Continental Army would have been several million strong. That is not a possibility. No source needed, just a bit of sense.

Same logic is true for the militia, which never numbered near the millions it would have numbered if 80% of the population supported the war.

In spite of the fact that you found this stuff on the internet, and therefore it must, of course, be true, simple math would rule your assertions out.

Oh,if I only had a brain!

"If over half of the eligable men served in the Continental Army, that would have meant that, if that statement was true, the Continental Army would have been several million strong. "

If the population at that time was 2.5 million, the number of eligible men probably have been at most one fourth of that, i.e., 600,000. Half of that would have been 300,000. Since that was spread over the period of the entire war, 100-150,000 (or less) would have served in any one year. If your objections were purely mathematical, you need new objections.

FYI, I am an Independent.

Polls are meaningless. It's important to remember that half the people you meet are below average.

Half of the population are highly swayed by emotions of the moment.

Half of people don't really know what's going on enough to make an informed opinion.

And we're lucky to get half of them to get away from American Idol long enough to vote.

Here's the funny part - everybody wants a president with leadership - one who is willing to stand up for what they believe in. With personal integrity and the balls to do a thankless job. One who will ignore the whims of the populace and use their vision to do what needs to be done. We go that is Bush. As soon as he starts ignoring the polls and following his heart people bitch about him. And at the same time they mock Hillary for focus groups and popularism.

This proves the plebes and drones don't know what they want and you can never make everybody happy. You'll be paralyzed trying to reconcile it all. It is better to follow your own heart and do the tough thing - just ask any manager or a person paid to make decisions....

And at 28% he's almost three times better than the Democrat controlled congress....

"It's important to remember that half the people you meet are below average...."

You mean half are below median. Now, just based on this, what half are you in?

Gallup: Approval rating for Congress matches lowest ever recorded
The approval rating for Congress is now "the lowest it has been since Gallup first tracked public opinion of Congress with this measure in 1974," Jeffrey Jones of the Gallup Poll reports today.

According to Jones: "Just 18% of Americans approve of the job Congress is doing, while 76% disapprove, according to the August 13-16, 2007, Gallup Poll. That 18% job approval rating matches the low recorded in March 1992, when a check-bouncing scandal was one of several scandals besetting Congress."


Damn, I'm sorry I was wrong. Their approval is 18% That's realy getting up there.

""It's important to remember that half the people you meet are below average...."

You mean half are below median. Now, just based on this, what half are you in?"

If you want to get technical about it, >= %50 of people are below average, by strict definition.

Depending on the skew or Kurtosis of the distribution and whether it's a population or a sample, the median may be much higher or lower than the mean. However, with highly skewed data - as in the case with personal income, e.g., between 60-70% of the people are below the average.

Or I can just be cute and say, "touche'"

Bush is low 'cause he's a dumbass and a pussy. However, I'd rather have a dumbass and a pussy than a socialist liar and/or a racist bigot (ie, Hillary or Olabama)

Bush's approval rating is twice that of the Democratic congress. The difference is that Bush is not running for president again but most democrats are running again.

Bee Swell

"Averageness" is a function of distribution. You yourself adduce an example whereby 70% of scores are below average. You must know you could also find 70% above in another distribution.

So half the people you meet walking outside could very well NOT be below average, particularly given where you might happen to live, given there's no random sampling.

Dang Zed...I had to read it twice, but it makes sense to me.

I guarantee it, 100%, Bush would have approval near 50% TODAY if he would have sealed the damn border and passed laws against employers who hire illegals, as well as cut off all federal funding to all sanctuary cities.

If immigration isn't the #1 worst problem in the USA, people don't have a damn clue and are ignoring it.

year after year, people IN DROVES are voting for candidates based on this issue alone.

This issue has killed Bush, he absolutely SUCKS.

Terrible. I give him a 15% approval is appropriate, and I am right wing to the death.

Terrible. Horrid, and disgusting. I am throwing a party when that idiot is out of office. Regardless who comes in, they can't do worse, its impossible on that issue.

Kuma

today's "liberals", who are really just reactionary socialists.

Bullshit. And one fine example of why Bush's approval rating is so low; Bush himself sometimes infers vacant ideas like this, and his "base" - whatever is left of it, (the numbers don't lie, folks) eat it up without a thought. Ironically, many of the so-called "conservatives" in the U.S. today aren't even true to their own ideals. In many cases they have completely lost touch with what they once stood for that made good sense. One of those issues was a recognition that they share many of their most potent ideas with liberals. Things ain't what they used to be. The Bush experience has taken its toll and whatever synergy there used to be between the left and right --- that gave America its true strength -- is waning fast.

Let's make a couple of things clear. First, the word "liberal" derives from the Latin liber ("free, not slave"). FREE... That's a powerful word - run it through your mind for a second. That is not only a word, but an idea - an idea that should be cherished with every ounce of one's being, and defended by Americans FOREVER without hesitation and without doubt. It's a word of strength, not weakness.

LIBERAL = FREE.

Secondly, conservatism does NOT mean, spend every fucking penny you have on a war that doesn't pay off and was never necessary in the first place. Tax and spend... Isn't that normally what liberals do? By the time Bush's government is finished taking YOUR money and using it to kill people in the Middle East, he will have spent around $1,000,000,000,000. That's $1 trillion of your money, folks. Sorry, but I wasn't born yesterday - that is not conservatism. It's a waste of money - Iraq is a waste.

CONSERVATIVE = WASTE NOT, WANT NOT.

When are Americans from both sides going to stop this incessant and useless bickering and work together to regain the establishment of the U.S. as the greatest country in the world? They need to start recognizing and accepting the best in all sides of these arguments and working together towards a common goal instead of allowing crooked politicans to fuck them over. Isn't that what Americans used to do? Things were much better back then.

Think of it.


One out of every four people you meet today approves of Bush's performance.

One out of five people you meet today thinks the country's going in the right direction.

Posted by TedBaxter at 2008-04-11 08:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

So glad I'm armed...

Apocalypto are you a total newbie when it comes to politics? your statement was LOL?

Let me tell you exactly the truth so you understand, in plain terms.

Liberals = want government to run people's lives
Conservatives = want the government to stay out of their personal lives.

Every single proposal the libs put forth backs up this statement.

Libs want: national health care, welfare, social security, public education, massive medicade/care, taxes on everything for more public projects.
real conservatives want: Private health coverage, very limited welfare, private choice accounts on social security, choice in where you send your kid to school, and tax cuts on everything to trim government down as much as possible.

Get a clue, conservatives are for more freedom hands down, bar none.

Libs want to "force" everyone to go to X school, use X healthcare, get X retirement, and pay X taxes.

Your clueless. Maybe after that idiot Bush leaves office we can get back to real conservatism. I have no idea why you all hate Bush so much, Bush is a big social liberal. He is bankrupting us with government programs. Thats what liberals do. Bush sucks. 28% reflects this, his own party hates him.

Kuma

Zed,

""Averageness" is a function of distribution. You yourself adduce an example whereby 70% of scores are below average. You must know you could also find 70% above in another distribution."

For the sake of simplicity and the benefit of half the people out there, let's just assume we're talking about the population and not a sample. The formula is a bit different but only worth a couple points - not publishable, of course, but a sharp enough tool for a blunt little forum like this....

Anybody see his stupid speech at NATO last week? He actually used the "hard werk" line! I guarantee his approval rating overseas is lower than 28%

28%? That's a typo. It was 2.8%.

Kuma, you ignorant bitch. You don't even know how to spell the word "you're". I stand by my post 100%. You can "LOL" all you want, you fucking idiot. You call Bush an "idiot", meanwhile you likely voted for him - TWICE. What does that make you? I'll tell you: It makes you a bigger idiot than Bush, and that's saying a lot.

In plain terms, I don't expect you to get anything that I say. You're my intellectual inferior.

Kuma, one more thing:

1. Liberal will always mean FREE, NOT SLAVE.
2. Conservative will always mean George W. Bush between 2002-2008 and $1 trillion spent on an unnecessary war.

And I don't hate Bush. I hate the fact that Americans, including you, are as dumb as they are for voting for him.