Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

The Bush administration plans to announce next week that U.S. soldiers' combat tours will be reduced from 15 months to 12 months.

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The Surge, at the end of the day, was unsustainable. An overlap of overly extended tours of duty that have impacted quite negatively on the soldier's mental health and ability to do their jobs.

That Dumbya is finally deciding to cut the lengths back to more sne levels is a move to be applauded but not without understanding the reasons why this had to be done.

Afghanistan is failing and the ultimate goal of the surge (ie Political reconciliation leading to a stable puppet government) is not forthcoming.

Afghanistan might yet still be won to the extent that the country be made politically hole by negotiating with the less violent aspects of ther Taliban and playing them offagainst their insane brethern. Also factoring the popuous Pashtuns into the equation is an idea whose time has long since come. Inorder to save Afghanistan and Iraq America needs to draw down in Iraq and switch over to Afganhistan while keeping an eye on Iraq from there.

There are no equivilant of the Chicago Boys to infiltrate Iraqi governmental positions and deliver that country to the US the way so much of South America was handed over.

In todays age of mass media and global communications it is no longer practical for the powers that be to expect to control the message through the MSM the way they once did. Thus the carnage that previously could be gotten away with is no longer gonna fly ergo there will not be a new Shah of Iraq or an Arabian Pinochet this time.

Iraq was and is a bridge too far.

Let it go.

Be Well.

The must see movie of the month is "Stop Loss." It needs no phony tears to show how the poor slob lied into uniform is screwed with no way out. It's the perfect antidote to recruiters' blandishments. herm

If there was some real R&R in country for the troops, it would still suck, but it might be somewhat more tolerable.

No women & no booze makes for shitty downtime.

See what the pussy liberal media has done! These guys signed up to be men, not children! How are we going to stop the Muslim invasion when troops are taking R&R looking for booze and tail.

In WWII, you didn't hear anybody complain, even kids signed up to save our great nation. But, we lost Vietnam because the goddamned liberals started bitching and complaining while true Americans like President McCain were saving our country from the Commies!

Quit your crying, these guys knew what they were getting into, let them stop the terrorists so they stop infiltrating the country! You faggots are trying to elect a president named HUSSEIN OSAMA! It's impolite to call these islamofascist invaders what they really are, you are going to kill our country!

"In WWII you didn't hear anybody complain...."

Another fourteen-year-old, obviously.

The Muslim invasion? Gimme a break. Like we stopped the invasion of those nasty Grenadians? Kept the Viet Cong from marching down Pennsylvania Avenue? Then the Pussy Liberal Media. The corporate warlord-owned media? No one complained in WW2? We lost Vietnam because of bitching but POW McCain would have saved it? We faggots? Hussein Osama? This is Neocon rhetoric at its most inimitable. herm

NEOCON 4 EVER,
Suck my ass till my roids explode a burst of tangy flavor in your mouth. No offense, jackoff,

How can one parody what should "rightly" be called parody?

NEOCON,

I don't even know where to start.....101 thinks you are over the top.


Just answer me honestly....are you taddy??? Because I, for one love the ole' lug.

The must see movie of the month is "Stop Loss." It needs no phony tears to show how the poor slob lied into uniform is screwed with no way out. It's the perfect antidote to recruiters' blandishments.

~herm


Agreed.

If there was some real R&R in country for the troops, it would still suck, but it might be somewhat more tolerable.

No women & no booze makes for shitty downtime.


~Common Sense.

In point of fact there ARE whorehouses in Baghdad but they are only for the mercenaries and not the troops.

The fact that these money grubbers not only get paid 3 to 5 times the rate of the regular soldiers plus this latest insult cannot be good for morale.

goddamned liberals started bitching and complaining while true Americans like President McCain were saving our country from the Commies!

Yup, he sure stopped that invasion/occupation by the people of Vietnam that everybody was so afraid of.

Face it Iraq is like Vietnam and if you aren't careful it'll turn into the new Palestine. 5 Years of kicking in doors and dropping bombs have only made the Irais more determined to rid their country of the American presence. Thirty yeas plus of occupation is what yer bargaining for and at the going rate you can't afford it.

Iraq is the same threat to the US that Vietnam was. Which is to say it isn't.

America didn't save anything in Vietnam it just spent.

So too Iraq.

McCain's pro war stance is not in the best long term interests of either America or Iraq.

Be Well.

just sent you an email...dare you to put in the DR:>)

Bocaink,

I'm not Tadowe, but thanks for the compliment. At least he is a real American.

the e-mail bounced...oh well, you changed your address it seems...

NEOCON, fraid of the muslim boogeyman, are ya'? Rabid zealotry does not equal patriotism, my Archie Bunkeresque friend.

fraid of the muslim boogeyman



Boo!

Boo!! BOOOOOOOOO!!!!

boo boo boo boo boo boo BOO!

There. I took care of this pissol.

By comparison US troops in WW2 saw far less combat than today's troops in Iraq. A 15 month tour in Iraq is basically 15 straight months of combat every day. Most US soldiers in WW2 only saw a few months of combat during the entire war. A whole different dynamic. The US military will have huge problems in the future with the psychological impact of have stressed the military so much in Iraq.

"It is widely recognized that soldiers suffer psychologic consequences of combat (Jones 2006). The constellation of symptoms that has come to be known as PTSD was given other names in earlier wars. During the Civil War, "irritable heart" or "effort syndrome" featured shortness of breath, disturbed sleep, palpitations, and other symptoms. During World War I, effort syndrome was again diagnosed, as was "shell shock," which was first described in British soldiers evacuated from the trenches in France. Marked by blindness, muteness, and amnesia, shell shock was initially thought to be the result of brain concussion from nearby shell explosions, but over time it became clear that effort syndrome and shell shock had psychologic origins (Hyams et al. 1996; Shephard 2001). During World War II, physicians identified an acute psychologic syndrome commonly found in soldiers, which they referred to as battle fatigue or combat exhaustion, so named to avoid stigma and to imply that soldiers would recover naturally with food and rest. Although the sheer number of psychiatric casualties was high, many of the troops were returned to combat after treatment near the front line (Grob 1994; Shephard 2001). Nevertheless, in 1942-1945, 850,000 active-duty U.S. soldiers were admitted to military hospitals for neuropsychiatric care (Starr 1982). A persistent and chronic form of battle fatigue was described among those veterans (Friedman et al. 1994; Grob 1994; Southwick et al. 1994). In World War II, Grinker and Spiegel (1945) described cases of "war neurosis" in members of combat aircrews. The primary symptoms of war neurosis were restlessness, irritability, aggression, fatigue, sleep difficulties, anxiety, startle reaction, tension, depression, personality changes, memory disturbances, tremors, difficulty in concentrating, alcoholism, preoccupation with combat experiences, decrease in appetite, psychosomatic symptoms, irrational fears, and suspiciousness.

The experiences of World War II military psychiatrists were instrumental in spurring the profession into the modern era of psychiatric diagnosis. Military psychiatrists believed that psychiatric disorders among veterans of military combat were more pervasive and serious than had been anticipated before the war. They also believed, contrary to prevailing views, that psychological maladjustment could be triggered by external stress (Grob 1994). Their influence was felt in the first edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), published in 1952 by the American Psychiatric Association (APA).

After the Vietnam War, research demonstrated that many veterans, particularly those exposed to severe war-related trauma, and other traumatized populations such as Holocaust survivors, suffered from chronic psychologic problems that often resulted in social and occupational dysfunction. The strength of the evidence led to the formal recognition of PTSD as a psychiatric diagnosis in the third edition of DSM (DSM-III), published in 1980....."

books.nap.edu

If there was some real R&R in country for the troops, it would still suck, but it might be somewhat more tolerable.

No women & no booze makes for shitty downtime.
Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-04-05 08:37 PM | Reply | Flag:


In addition to regular R&R there is also in-country R&R. In the Green Zone it was a place called Freedom Rest, they have a similar one at the Bagram Air Base. Not sure about here, but in Iraq they had booze. Some people are also sent to Qatar for short R&Rs and they have booze there as well. Also, in case you didn't know, they have women in the military. Ahhh the stories I could relay about a few of those. I had a fellow Captain flash her tits on the Guadalupe River to get us more beer. Good chick!

In point of fact there ARE whorehouses in Baghdad but they are only for the mercenaries and not the troops.

Posted by dethspud at 2008-04-06 01:02 AM | Reply | Flag:


I am not that impressed with Spuds knowledge of the existence of houses which exist in practically every city in practically every country on the planet, and yes even in Baghdad.

But then Spud veers off the deep end with his contempt for people with jobs in Iraq, namely Expats, or contractors. You know the good thing about whores is they all have one thing in common; they will fuck anyone with money. Soldiers coincidentally have money and as thus are able to get a whore if they want one (even in Baghdad).
Cheers,
Walt

Whores? Booze? Flashing tits?

Once upon a time folk used to read a good book when they wuz bored. Massaging your intellect gives better results than massaging your... something else.

Whores? Booze? Flashing tits?

What more can a guy ask for really? FREE whores, booze, tits?

I hadn't looked at it like that.

Cheers,
Walt

Dude... you can't have FREE whores. Booze, one can swipe and even momma had tits, so what. But whores....?

Dude... you can't have FREE whores.

Tosser,

Which is cheaper?

Sex for money or sex for free?

even momma had tits

Not entirely sure how to take that comment my man.

I keep telling Rcade, sooner or later another high-schooler will get in and rant after P.E. class...and sure enough, we have Neolithic_4_Ever.

If it's sex for free, I wouldn't call her a whore. Slut maybe but not a whore.


Not entirely sure how to take that comment my man.


Why are you confused? Didn't your momma have tits?

Didn't your momma have tits?

Yes but I try not to think about that. I don't equate my mom's (ewww) tits with some gal flashing tits on a drunken river float.

What costs more my man? The question is still out there?

Sex for money or sex for free?

Cheers,
Walt

The must see movie of the month is "Stop Loss."

I havent found one military member who is going to see that stupid movie.

On a side note, this is just in time....

Turns out, we are going back to afghan in the very near future and I will still be with my unit..oh joy!

Boaz,

You need anything, you let me know.

Where are you going? Mail me your shit so you don't have to carry it. You know the deal. I will store it for you and get it to you when you get here.

No worries.

-Walt

"I havent found one military member who is going to see that stupid movie."

Their loss. And the Pentagon's gain. Question: Does getting screwed (without foreplay) hurt less if you don't know you're getting screwed?
herm

Sex for money or sex for free?


Sex for free costs you a lifetime of slavery.

Don't get married.

Is this what you were asking?

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