Impeach?

So Lil Bush is above the law? How very quaint.

The law and order party electing a stooge who beleives he is above the law.

It would be almost comical if it weren't so sad.

Impeach?

Posted by ness_gadol at 2008-04-02 10:58 AM | Reply

HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~! HAR~!

Damn! You beat me to it!

FF for Ness!

Of course it would be RCADE who was left to post this. It's an article that reveals facts that fundamentally challenge our now tragically mistaken view that we are a nation of laws under this administration. It will be forgotten tomorrow.

I was just following orders.

Impeach?

Posted by ness_gadol

Reward.

lil' Bush is above the Law (so far), but not the soldiers he ordered to commit the crimes. Many of those peons are in jail. The Nuremburg Standard, written by the United States, eliminates "just following orders" as a defense.

But the selective prosecution of enlisted men and women only is a gross miscarriage of Justice. Business as usual in the American Justice System, just ask Nicole or the dead fisherman plaintiffs against Exxon. Money so dominates leagal results as to render the concept of American Justice totally absurd. It has morphed largely into a system of indentured servitude and/or slavery.

In this democracy we call America, it is not Bush's fault that he is able to trash our civil liberties and ignore the law of the land.

It is the fault of the dumb fucks who voted for him.

Not one, but twice!

Feel free to identify one of these stupid fucking Americans and beat them silly.

It's your right to do so. Hell, it is now your duty to do so.

Its been said repeatedly and it doesn't happen.

Impeach now and avoid the rush.

Pelosi, do your ears work? Remove this insane man and help(for once) this country.

The alternative will be to remove you and check out charges of complicity.

Waiting until the end of Crotch Fur's term will only result in direct criminal charges against him and possibly those that hindered his impeachment.

This maniac has already placed this country in serious financial jeopardy. Just how many trillions can we spend without having it. Now it seems that the military is spending far more than they have and yesterdays report was over a quarter of a trillion overspent.

This administration has to be stopped. Why will the legislators just talk? Rhetoric will not stop an unbalanced president/vice-president.

This ship may not be sinking but the number of leaks is alarming. But I guess nobody really cares.

Pelosi, do your ears work?

She has consistently said that she would not pursue this.

Maybe you should have your ears checked you fucking moron.

For the first time, in my adult life, I am proud of George W Bush! He finally hit one out of the park.

Feel free to identify one of these stupid fucking Americans and beat them silly.

It's your right to do so. Hell, it is now your duty to do so.

Posted by Manypaths at 2008-04-02 11:21 AM


And how many notches do you have on your belt?

None?

Thought so.

Violating our rights? I'm not a terrorist.

Violating our rights? I'm not a terrorist.

Posted by shirtsbyeric



good grief ... NOBODY is this dumb. Talk about not getting the point.

Violating our rights? I'm not a terrorist.

Posted by shirtsbyeric



good grief ... NOBODY is this dumb. Talk about not getting the point.

Question to Barack and Hillary.

If your lawyers told you this same story, would you follow their advice and allow the interrogators this 'freedom' or would you restict them during a time of war (sic).

Impeach?

~Ness Gadol

Reward.

~RtA

Trial. Sentence. Waterboarding. Firing Squad.

Then stick a pole up his ass and send Chimpy's corpse over to Iraq where the locals can piss on it till the flesh dissolves off the bones.

~Spud.

Followed by Cheney, Gonzales, Condi, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc etc.

One a week.

Televise it all.

Put the waterboarding portion on pay per view and send the proceeds to the families of the fallen in both countries.

Be Well.

Since when do the laws that apply to US citizens apply to prisoners of war? I'm not sure just what vile deed these interrogators did but prisoners don't enjoy the same freedoms we do.

Trial. Sentence. Waterboarding. Firing Squad.

Then stick a pole up his ass and send Chimpy's corpse over to Iraq where the locals can piss on it till the flesh dissolves off the bones.

~Spud.

Followed by Cheney, Gonzales, Condi, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc etc.

One a week.

Televise it all.

Put the waterboarding portion on pay per view and send the proceeds to the families of the fallen in both countries.

Be Well.


Posted by dethspud


Rogers is there a "Should Be Sent To Secret Service" Flag?

I would pay Spud's plane ticket to Gitmo if the option were out there (And the glow sticks).

Fuck you and your mother you Canadian bag of shit...

It is unnerving that so many so-called Americans on this thread are so out of touch with the core moral values which made America so great in the first place. The celebration of torture was never one of those values.

Big wide smile Spuderick. Except for the Death Penalty Kuddos.

Larry Mohr

I'm with you Rob.

For the record I just want Dubya and company at The Hague for War Crimes and then locked up for life. THAT would make Me happy.

Larry Mohr

Since when do the laws that apply to US citizens apply to prisoners of war? I'm not sure just what vile deed these interrogators did but prisoners don't enjoy the same freedoms we do.

Posted by Sniper at 2008-04-02 01:04 PM


These are not prisoners of war, and are not covered by the Geneva Convention. We are not at war dumbass, and if we were, the United States no longer recognizes the Geneva Convention--at least as far as Cheny and Bush are concerned. It too is just another Goddamned piece of paper.

However, they are covered by the 14th amendment, but of course the Constitution is just another Goddamned piece of paper to republicans.

14th Amendment

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Buffalo Bob,

There you go again, talking about that silly ole constitution. Haven't you heard, it's only a piece of paper.

Memo to myself, 'Become master of time, space and dimension' g.w.b

2 9 2 days left.

Given that we beat up on the GOP in the '08 elections,
we will hopefully have criminal prosecutions that restore, at least in part, our nation's credibility.

the Geneva Convention--at least as far as Cheny and Bush are concerned. It too is just another Goddamned piece of paper.

However, they are covered by the 14th amendment, but of course the Constitution is just another Goddamned piece of paper to republicans.

14th Amendment

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob

All persons born or naturalized in the United States... How does that apply to people we pick up on the battle field that arn't citizens of the US?

as far as Cheny and Bush are concerned. It too is just another Goddamned piece of paper.

Please show me the speech or transcript of the interview where Bush said that about our constitution. I think this is just another lib lie because they hate Bush so much. Give me the link to where he actualy said that! You lying libs can't.

What's far more alarming than the rough interrogation of suspects is the concept that the President can simply override the law. For me, the concept is abominable, and its practice is treason, as it is a direct and willing violation of the constitution and the sworn oath to defend and preserve it.

No surprise that the rightards defend such authoritianism.

Of course the right wingers defend it. That is because they are so scared of the world around them that they will justify any unlawful action which they believe might somehow "protect" them.

Of course the right wingers defend it. That is because they are so scared of the world around them that they will justify any unlawful action which they believe might somehow "protect" them.

Posted by moder8 at 2008-04-02 01:39 PM | Reply


For me it's got nothing to do with "protection". It's all about punishment.

I like the fact that these mutts get treated inhumanely. Simple incarceration and/or death isn't good enough for that kind of scum, they need some additional pain and punishment before their cards get punched.

If we happen to get some useful info from them then all the better, if not, oh well.

"I like the fact that these mutts get treated inhumanely. Simple incarceration and/or death isn't good enough for that kind of scum, they need some additional pain and punishment before their cards get punched."

And what if the corpse turned out to be innocent after all?

Chairborne: I am not certain whether or not you are being somewhat tongue in cheek with your comments. Suffice to say, I disagree with your outlook. There is a clear difference between just punishment and sadism. We as a society destroy our own moral fabric when we permit acts of sadism to be done in our name.

It is unnerving that so many so-called Americans on this thread are so out of touch with the core moral values which made America so great in the first place. The celebration of torture was never one of those values.

Posted by moder8

The best post on this thread. The founding fathers are spinning in their graves.

Posted by moder8 at 2008-04-02 01:58 PM | Reply

Somewhat.
I just tend to believe that not every prisoner or captive is getting fucked up, as opposed to many of the shriekers on the flip side that believe every captive gets electrocuted and then waterboarded just for shits and grins.
The US has always tortured, it's just that now it's being discussed by an Administration, which is a horrible fucking idea.

Wear a uniform or some type of designator and get treated humanely.

Anyone pretending as though their country's intelligence services don't employ similar tactics is naive and/or stupid. Plenty of fake outrage.

Fuck you and your mother you Canadian bag of shit...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

You're incredibly intelligent, aren't you?

BB, did you crawl under a rock or are you going to respond about that "just a piece of paper' lie? Let's hear it big boy.

He can't be too intelligent. He supports Dubya after all.

Larry Mohr

Sniper,
In this era of google, for you to demand that some one who you have described as a lying lib educate you is a bit beyond the pale. I just googled 'its just a god damned piece of paper' and was sent to loads of links.
Get your thumb out of yer ass and try it.
Christ, did you beat up the smart kid in grade school and demand that he do yer homework too?

John Woo, is a fucking disgrace, an the Bush Administration should be on trial at the World Court for crimes against humanity.

Those of your right wing fucks that think this is O.K. to torture, you make a farce of all the soldiers who die for this Country an all we stand for.

An for all of your dumbs fucks I am saying, "GEORGE BUSH IS A MORE DANGER TO THIS WORLD THAT BEN LADEN"......

Ben Laden and his mini tribe of terriorist are maybe responsible for 5 thousand deaths World Wide how many his this administration had a hand in killing???? How about 600,000 to well over a Million depends who you want to believe.....

May George W. Bush an Ben Laden burn in HELL!!!!! They deserve each other!!!!!

An for all of your dumbs fucks I am saying, "GEORGE BUSH IS A MORE DANGER TO THIS WORLD THAT BEN LADEN"......
Posted by celisary at 2008-04-02 02:30 PM | Reply

You are so god damned stupid that it's hilarious! Honestly, are you a right wing spoofer?

Please show me the speech or transcript of the interview where Bush said that about our constitution. I think this is just another lib lie because they hate Bush so much. Give me the link to where he actualy said that! You lying libs can't.

Posted by Sniper at 2008-04-02 01:33 PM | Reply


Oldjizzsour,
Did you open any of those links you dumb-shit? Because if you had then you'd realize that not one of them contains a transcript.
Having an anonymous source claim something isn't proof you retard.

Chair-

Didn't you get the crazy-gram? Ben is Osama's evil twin!

I just googled 'its just a god damned piece of paper' and was sent to loads of links.
Get your thumb out of yer ass and try it.


Wow... what a fucking idiot...

All those links, are derived from the 1 unsubstantiated story from Capitol Hill Blue. A story that was never picked up by any other news source, and frankly just is flat out not true.

The Deductive reasoning of Rob is astounding. It is more apt than not that Dubya said the Constitution is just a God damned piece of paper with His Subsequent actions. But then Rob would have to face the reality of the situation and that would suck.

Larry Mohr

Larry that is one of the greatest spins I have ever read... You basically admit that he never said it, but end up twisting it into that he did say it through his actions...

Bravo sir...

I like the fact that these mutts get treated inhumanely. Simple incarceration and/or death isn't good enough for that kind of scum, they need some additional pain and punishment before their cards get punched.

If we happen to get some useful info from them then all the better, if not, oh well.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-04-02 01:55 PM |

Disappointing... That was neither callous enough to shock (aka entertain) nor strong enough to convince.

Rob You lack common sense that a Grade schooler WOULD posess. I believe He said it and there is proof from at least 2 people that was in the room. No It's not spin You just lack the moral courage to admit to the facts of the matter. It is soo typical of a Bushite anymore it's par for the course. Suck it up Bushie You supported a War Criminal and someone who does not believe in the Constitution. No sweat off of My Balls however.

Larry Mohr

""Rogers is there a "Should Be Sent To Secret Service" Flag?"""

Rogers, is there a "make this into a petition" Flag? I'm sure there would be enough signatures to carry the petition to capitol hill.

Disappointing... That was neither callous enough to shock (aka entertain) nor strong enough to convince.

Posted by panchovilla at 2008-04-02 03:07 PM | Reply


Pancho,
As an angler I've discovered that I need to change baits occasionally to catch a different species of fish.

george bush with his signing statements consistently says he is not required to follow the laws of the land.

for example the recent defense spending bill precludes permanent bases in iraq. bush's signing statement says he can build them anyway.

that's ok cause I am sure the repukes wont be complaining when president obama or president clinton uses that same logic.

and frankly just is flat out not true

Except fer the fact that every action Bush has taken since coming into power has shown his clearly evident lack of respect for the Constitution and also his eagerness to subvert it at every turns.

Beyond that? The claim isn't backed up by video or audio but Spud believes it to be the case.

An anonymous source alleged that Bush sed it.

Bush has never denied saying it.

Ergo Spud has more "proof" that it was sed than you have proof that it wasn't.

Be Well.

Larry and Rob-

From Pancho's link (Factcheck.org is an arm of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania):

Q: Did President Bush call the Constitution a "goddamned piece of paper?" and Is it true that President Bush called the Constitution a "goddamned piece of paper?" He has never denied it, and it appears that there were several witnesses.

A: Extremely unlikely. The Web site that reported those words has a history of quoting phony sources and retracting bogus stories. The report that Bush "screamed" those words at Republican congressional leaders in November 2005 is unsubstantiated, to put it charitably.

We judge that the odds that the report is accurate hover near zero. It comes from Capitol Hill Blue, a Web site that has a history of relying on phony sources, retracting stories and apologizing to its readers.

I believe He said it and there is proof from at least 2 people that was in the room.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH... you dumb bastard...

RightOCenter just posted it but its worth at least one more post:

Q: Did President Bush call the Constitution a "goddamned piece of paper?"

A: Extremely unlikely. The Web site that reported those words has a history of quoting phony sources and retracting bogus stories. The report that Bush "screamed" those words at Republican congressional leaders in November 2005 is unsubstantiated, to put it charitably.

Oh wait... larry says there is proof from two people in the room. Who were they Larry?

YEAH!

I love threads like this!

No sooner than the Bush Cult has a chance to claim Bush is simply using the president's ultimate authority as commander in chief to override and do anything he wants --- they will have to in a matter of minutes claim he cant be in control of everything and therefore isn't culpable for exercising the president's ultimate authority as commander in chief to override and do anything he wants!

I personally believe Bush and Cheney are now blatantly and publicly making fun of their supporters!

Who were they Larry?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-04-02 03:38 PM

Why, Beefalo Boob and Spewd, of course...

The Nuremburg Standard...

Posted by nutcase at 2008-04-02 11:20 AM | Reply

After just six posts a Liberal has to make a Nazi reference.

Just can't resist, ehh? Does it make your knee hurt to jerk it so fast?

Keep denying the truth ROC it doesn't matter to Me. Typical Right winged Bushite reprobate.

Larry Mohr

I'm not sure just what vile deed these interrogators did
Posted by Sniper at 2008-04-02 01:04 PM | Reply

They sprinkled water on their face, and then spoke in a deep tone of voice that was really, really scary.

Afterward, prisoners were fed lemon-glazed chicken as an entree, but only dark meat, and no seconds!

Awwww, what's the matter Larry? Nothing like a fact injection to ruin a good talking point?

I know how much you hate that.

Who gives a crap whether Dubya said it or not? His actions over 7+ years confirm beyond any doubt his disdain for The Consititution. "Actions speak louder than words"? Ring a bell? Duh.

Larry, Boob and Spewd-

It must suck that Panco, who has no love for Bush whatsoever, called you on your "piece of paper" bullshit and now no one else on the DR Left is rushing to your defense.

To quote the Dogwhisperer...

Funny Dat Be.

Panco=Pancho

I like the fact that these mutts get treated inhumanely. Simple incarceration and/or death isn't good enough for that kind of scum, they need some additional pain and punishment before their cards get punched.
Chair-since all those who were treated this way had NOT been convicted of anything-what are they being punished for? Being Arab? Being born in an Arab dominated culture? Not all of them are terrorists.

Larry, who were the two in the room that prove Bush said the constitution was a "God damned piece of paper."

You say these two prove you right, if you could name them you'd shut me right the hell up...

Who gives a crap whether Dubya said it or not?

Larry

Larry,
You are wrong once again. In fact, you're retarded (and a convicted criminal).
Sincerely,
Factcheck.org

Rob Your lack of common sense is astounding. They were not named for fear of reprisal. Anyone with a lick of sense would know that.

Larry Mohr

Rob and 101-

Careful with taunting Larry with logic and facts, he could slip into a Fatatonic State.

"The evidence

There's no record of Bush ever using these words in public and no other news organization has reported him using them privately. Thompson based his report on three sources whom he didn't name. He gave the date of the quote as "last month," which would put it sometime in November 2005"

Damn, that's proof positive.

You guys hate him so much you will believe anything.

101CHAIRBORNE...As usual you dumb fucks refuse to deal with the facts, Tell me how many people died because your President started a War of choice, come on ASSHOLE HOW MANY?????? Now tell me how many people were Killed by Ben Laden???????

BUSH: 600,000 TO 1,000,000 PLUS depending on who you ask.

BEN LADEN: 3,000 on 9/11 an how many more?????

HOW MANY MORE BEFORE WE GET EVEN!!!!!!!

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!!!!

Who gives a crap whether Dubya said it or not? His actions over 7+ years confirm beyond any doubt his disdain for The Consititution. "Actions speak louder than words"? Ring a bell? Duh.

Posted by Newyawker

Most of the laws passed in the last 100 years wouldn't pass the constitunal test if anybody would ever bother to read 'that damn piece of paper'.

The constitution is very clear about the role of the federal government.

It's not so much that this discussion is even happening. It's that our embarrassing specimens - the bogus paratrooper, Wobbele, the sniper, Vermin - actually post in favor of torture.

This torture is not talking to them in a scary tone of voice. It's engaging in conduct that civilized forces (something these posters will never understand) simply reject.

They actually speak in favor of gross behavior that should get any perpetrator's membership in the human race revoked.

It's too much to expect the 17-year-olds lied into uniform to refuse orders that are patently contrary to The Rules. But the posters of whom I speak have heard of the Geneva Convention, which does not limit its application to "whimps," pussies and traitors.

'Scuse me, I gotta retch. Then I'll say something about our Murricanm species having attained rock bottom. herm

it is certainly debatable whether bush said those words but it is indisputable that bush expresses that feeling about the constitution

"You guys hate him so much you will believe anything.
Posted by Sniper at 2008-04-02 05:10 "

YEAH!

Do you mean "believe anything" like how the WH said it didn't know torture was going on ----- when it actualy did?

Or do you mean "believe anything"like how Bush said he wasn't lieing about any of this?

YEAH!

Speaking of Bushs twisted self, NPR is doing a bit on "Bushs Law" right now!

Of course, butch will attack NPR and PBS even though it costs she/he only a few tenths of a cent in she/hes taxes, them jump over to another thread and whine all broke dick about splainig' the viagra ads seen on Fox News to she/hes poor captive vitems!

Since when do the laws that apply to US citizens apply to prisoners of war? I'm not sure just what vile deed these interrogators did but prisoners don't enjoy the same freedoms we do.

Posted by Sniper at 2008-04-02 01:04 PM

Since we had a little meeting and held these Truths to be self evident... that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Either we we holds these truths for all men or not ...what do you think there snippy?

Lying about his sex life to a Senate committee was enough for Bill, nobody died but some "genetic material".

This crazy bastard that we are obliged to call "Mr. President" has killed more that some of history's monsters. Not just Americans but all people that have checked out due to wars that were shoved down our throats by lies and bull shit.

If it were possible, I would personally pay so that he could have an Oval Office Hummer. The maybe he would be thrown out and hundreds of thousands of semi-deserving people would still live. Then god save us, President Cheney would have us involved in so many wars that it would come down to us vrs the world.

The Justice Department sent a legal memorandum to the Pentagon in 2003 asserting that federal laws prohibiting assault, maiming and other crimes did not apply to military interrogators who questioned al-Qaeda captives because the president's ultimate authority as commander in chief overrode such statutes.
-----
A freaking men.

I wouldn't pull punches when dealing with the organization behind September 11th either. They didn't follow the geneva convention when they flew passenger jets into the trade center.

Why should we follow it? Just because they aren't affiliated with a country doesn't mean they get to break the rules. They didn't ratify the Geneva convention.

No judge, no jury, just torture and information retrieval to prevent future such events. If they declared war on us like civilized people and attacked military targets, yea, they deserve to be treated better.

They are playing hardball and they picked the game, not us...

-Viz

Viz must not believe in America then. America is supposed to fight against torture. It's NOT supposed to be the practitioners of it. We have fallen so far in 8 Years. It is utterly shameful.

Larry Mohr

Why is Bush getting a pass for all of this BS?

Will the next POTUS get this judgement leeway?

Unless the next POTUS is an absolute moron, I just don't see how it can get worse. (wispered)