A classic case of breaking the law to the point of forcing enforcement.

Idiot......

Hello little girl....would you like a piece of candy???

Liquor is quicker but this candy really was dandy.

Oh thank god, society is safe now.

What about the children?
WON"T SOMBODY THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN????

I will think about the children and offer a suggestion that might help them.

We could be honest with our children about Marijuana and then we would stand a better chance of them believing us when we talk about the real dangers of other drugs.

Our standard practice of lying to them about marijuana is really hurting our chances of defending them from the real dangers of hard core drugs like meth and heroin.

Anyway, just a thought. You know, being honest to our young ones. Hell, let's give it a try for a change.

Then there was the guy who invented the lollipop that tasted like pussy. He gave it to a friend who licked it and said "Wow, this tastes like shit!"

To which he replied, "Turn it over stupid!"

Bong loads for Jesus!

I'm curious, Manypaths, just how are we lying when it comes to marijuana? I used to think that the whole thing about it being a "gateway" drug was a bunch of lying bullshit, but turns out it's true. I was taught that 25 years ago so I'm just wondering when they started lying about it.

Alcohol is the gateway drug. Period.

Why is it a gateway drug?

Why isn't Milk a gateway drug? I would be willing to bet that every person who has done cocain has first tried milk.

How much?

but turns out it's true

Says who? Whose bull shit are you buying now that you are all grown up Skippy?

I used to think that the whole thing about it being a "gateway" drug was a bunch of lying bullshit, but turns out it's true


actually alcohol is just as much a gateway drug as marijuana, so is nicotine

Excuse me, maybe I should have said when, in recent time, have they lied about marijuana? Are you telling me that 'reefer madness' is the main teaching tool when it comes to weed?

Come on guys and girls, much has been learned about many different drugs since 1936 and I have a hard time believing that our kids are being taught the lessons of 'refer madness'. All I was ever taught was that it was a hallucinagenic, was mentally addicting, and could lead to other drug use. I don't recall ever hearing that you would end up killing yourself.

Says who? Whose bull shit are you buying now that you are all grown up Skippy?

Posted by Manypaths


My own personal experience. But I guess that doesn't count. And if you are going to try to argue that weed and alcohol don't lead into other drugs you can count me out. No one starts out on heroin and goes backwards to weed.

"Well, you are all wrong thus far:

Posted by Manypaths at 2008-03-28 05:08 PM"

No, I'm not.

What if we told our kids:

"Hey, if you smoke that stuff, you'll most likely laugh your ass off at silly stuff and become hungry. After a few hours the effects will taper off and you'll return to feeling normal again. While under the influence of marijuana you might also think that Jethro Tull sounds cool, but they in fact are not, it's just the drug."

Actualy the number 1 Gateway drug is Sucrose. Yes common sugar is what addicts millions of kids each Year then they move on to caffeine and so on and so forth. Yes it's true.

Larry Mohr

Monte:

While the gateway theory posits that each type of drug is associated with certain specific risk factors that cause the use of subsequent drugs, such as cigarettes or alcohol leading to marijuana, this study's findings indicate that environmental aspects have stronger influence on which type of substance is used. That is, if it's easier for a teen to get his hands on marijuana than beer, then he'll be more likely to smoke pot. This evidence supports what's known as the common liability model, an emerging theory that states the likelihood that someone will transition to the use of illegal drugs is determined not by the preceding use of a particular drug but instead by the user's individual tendencies and environmental circumstances.

I agree with that, Many, but I also know that alcohol lowers inhibitions. So while I don't think getting drunk on Friday leads to use of PCP on Wednesday, some people try things while drunk that they normally would not try. Ask Vernon, he lost his virginity after his grandpa's buddies got him drunk on an all-guys camping trip.

No one starts out on heroin and goes backwards to weed.

Right, and I went back to Milk.

But what you are suggesting is that everyone who smokes pot will eventually slam heroin.

YOU ARE WRONG! THAT IS NOT THE CASE!

Therefore pot is not a gateway drug.

But back to my point........

If you tell a child that pot is bad for them, that it will make them crazy or even cause death and they try it, what are they going to discover?

Right! The fact that you are a lying piece of shit. Now, let's take that same child who now knows that you lie to them about drugs, and let's try to explain the dangers of Meth.........

How do you think that talk is going to work out?

"No one starts out on heroin and goes backwards to weed"

i know dozens of coke heads that won't touch pot
of course they all drink alcohol

as far as heroin
i know hundreds of pot heads that don't do coke, or heroin

some don't even drink.

What if we told our kids:

"Hey, if you smoke that stuff, you'll most likely laugh your ass off at silly stuff and become hungry. After a few hours the effects will taper off and you'll return to feeling normal again. While under the influence of marijuana you might also think that Jethro Tull sounds cool, but they in fact are not, it's just the drug."

Posted by Manypaths


Fine. Just be sure to tell them that it can also make you extremely lazy, unmotivated, and you can suffer memory loss. Then tell them that it's likely they will end up taking something stronger and may end up hooked on that then either in jail or dead. They will also likely not be able to get a good job as long as weed is illegal and their academics AND atheletics will suffer from too much use.

I mean, if you're going to be honest, Manypaths, be honest. You have NO way of knowing who will turn out being a social, or occassional, user or an actual addict. Is that what you want for your kids? Are you willing to take that risk?

No one starts out on heroin


Addicts develop a "taste" for different drugs. It's not necessarily progressive. On the softer side, there are alcoholics who have smoked marijuana and still prefer alcohol.

It's called drug of choice.

I've lived through mornings without caffeine and nicotine and survived, and if I'm busy I don't even miss it, but it's nice to sit on the porch with a strong cup of coffee and a Camel Wide and wake up...

academics AND atheletics will suffer from too much use.


I am a fine case to prove you wrong man. I smoked pot, was a great student and athlete. I still smoke pot and consider myself successful and I am in great shape (5-11 165).

Just because fat and lazy kids smoke pot too doesn't mean that you are going to turn into one because you smoke pot.

Bill Gates smoked a lot of pot as a young adult. Lots of successful people have smoked pot. Your blanket assumption is just wrong. Quit lying to yourself and we can worry about the children later.

It's a fairly harmless weed that grows naturally on this planet. Always has and always will. No matter what people try to tell you, just because it doesn't say Pfizer across doesn't mean it's bad for you.

Addicts develop a "taste" for different drugs. It's not necessarily progressive.

While I understand where you are coming from, you are wrong in it not being progressive. Addiction is a progressive disease, or illness for those who can't handle it being called a disease.

If an alcoholic quits drinking for 10 years and then goes back to it, he will find that he is actually worse off then he was before he quit the first time. This is because the illness progresses even while the addict is not using.

"gateway" drug. What utter bullshit.

Congratulations, Manypaths. I happen to be a case for exactly the opposite. I started smoking weed as a freshman in highschool. I made the varsity baseball team as a sophomore and proceeded to break the schools batting average record by hitting .489.

I continued smoking every day and each year my performance on the field got worse. I didn't get even the partial scholarship that all of my coaches were quite sure that I would. I still did well academically but probably would have done better. I smoked every day though, and turned out being an alcoholic and an addict. My example was about those who are actually addicts. They will suffer greatly. This is why I asked you if you were willing to take that risk with your kids.

Then there are the cases like yourself and others who aren't addicts and can use drugs 'socially' or at least not to the point of becoming addcited to them. I was an alcohilc from the first time I drank and an addict from the first time I smoked. If I ever do have a kid I know that I won't be able to stop him or her from experimenting but if I had my choice they would never touch any of it. Simply becuase I know what could happen.

And by the way, that wasn't a blanket statement. I said from smoking too much. All of those successful people, including you, obviously didn't smoke too much. I agree that it is rather harmless and I even think it should be legal, but I disagree that a person isn't negatively affected when they smoke too much.

And I only mentioned kids becuase you brought them up.

So EL, you're saying that Booze should be illegal as well?

The whole concept of a "Gateway" drug is false.

Kids that want to do drugs will do the ones they can get.

Guess how many died from smoking weed in 2006?

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Posted by TFDNihilist


Look, if you read what I wrote completely and you still don't get the point then you are not worth discussing it with. Your point is ignorant. Kids will have to drive sooner or later, they do not have to drink or smoke weed.

And I didn't say weed should be illegal. In fact, I said it should be legal. Learn how to read and then learn how to think logically and then try talking about a subject. It tends to work better.

Now, back to your bong. I't's evident that it's doing wonders for your reading skills.

Kids will have to drive sooner or later

Unless there's an important reason, is it worth the risk? If your kids got killed while they were driving around looking for pizza, was that worth it?

And I read your posts. I didn't address the other issues you raised because I understand where you are coming from. I just hate the idea that people always bring out the "Won't you please think of the children argument" when there are plenty of examples of risk in everyday life, yet they are willing to overlook them for convenience.

By the way, I don't own a car and I get by just fine.

Another Pot-head thread!

Hey pot-heads, do you think there are more important subjects for this board that don't have to do Moo-moo's, tie-dye shirts, and the legalization of your 60's escapist drug?

God damn losers!

There are no "gateway drugs", but there are gateway attitudes towards what is acceptable and non-acceptable behaviors. I started smoking pot when I was 17. I did a little acid and coke over the next few years. I did a shit load of pot when I was in Vietnam, and I finally gave it up when I was about 40.

The problem is not that pot makes you take other drugs, it's that being lied to about the addictive qualities of pot make you question the addictive qualities of other things that can really fuck you up.

The "gateway" drug is the first thing someone gave you while telling you- "Take this, honey. It'll make you feel better.".

Aspirin or Tylenol. Maybe ginger ale.

Doubtingtom-
You don't like it?
Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

And the pills that mother gives you don't do anything at all.

TFDNihilist, just so you know, Manypaths brought up the kids not me. I just commented on them because he made it the issue.

Another Pot-head thread!

Hey pot-heads, do you think there are more important subjects for this board that don't have to do Moo-moo's, tie-dye shirts, and the legalization of your 60's escapist drug?

God damn losers!

Posted by DoubtingThomas

I'd like to see how you guys would react if they outlawed beer.

Oh that's right, they tried that and the country went fucking nuts. Couldn't handle it.

That's right. If you're still smoking weed after college, then you're definitely a loser. Grow up already.

Nowadays, some companies, especially the ones that offer high wages, require you to pass a drug screen prior to employment.

"Grow up already."

Yep, it's time to start acting old. I think that's my problem, I just haven't learned how to be old yet. I think that's why I'm still a Democrat. That's why I like Obama. That's why REPUBLICAN4EVER is a Republican. And now for another Rolling Stones line....what a drag it is being old.

In my neck of the woods, the biggest gateway drugs are prescription painkillers. People with relatively minor injuries are prescribed opiates and end up addicted. Patients and physicians grossly underestimate the addictive qualities of these drugs.

Once they're cut off from the prescriptions, they wind up taking meth or heroine or get sucked into the world of methadone.

The only thing dangerous about marijuana is the risk of getting caught. For a homeowner or anybody with a security clearance, it's just not worth the risk of loosing one's home or job. The only reason pot is "bad" is because it's illegal.

Upon refelection, I would have to agree that whatever drug is available the easiest would act as a 'gateway' drug. I don't think that there is much of an argument for saying that one drug doesn't lead to another though. But, the user will always go for their drug of choice.

The bottom line is, no matter what drug it is there simply is no way of telling if someone will be a social user or be an addict. This is why I think it's best if kids, and everyone for that matter, stay away from them. At the same time, I think drugs should be legalized and regulated and taxed. Why should our government get to be the biggest drug dealer on the planet? It's caused our current problem anyway.

If Marijuana was legal, it would cease being a "gateway" drug. Since it is illegal, obtaining pot puts you in contact with some of the same people that deal coke, meth, and heroin: criminals.
That's really it. If you have an addictive personality you're as likely to be a drunk or a whoremonger as a heroin addict. Pot has nothing to do with it. If you could grow it free in your house or backyard, there would be no reason to contact criminals.